Thread: Throwin' in the towel

cliffee - 9/28/2011 at 10:13 PM

After 21 years of going to shows I'm officially giving up ( at least for now). $165 Tix to the Orpheum is simply too much. Will wait to see if there's another price level during the general sale. Not holding my breath. Anyone else find Tix prices a little too rich this year?

[Edited on 9/28/2011 by cliffee]


jbpats0823 - 9/28/2011 at 10:19 PM

I agree 100%. Last year there were three price ranges, and looking at ticketmaster there seems like there will be a range at the general onsale also. However, like I mentioned in my other post the obstructed lower level seats that were $100 last year are now $165, not a good sign of things to come.
Not for nothing I wasn't even as excited to see the orpheum shows posted in the first place. These days i'd much rather see a Mule/WHB/DT or WSP show for $30-40 a ticket then an ABB show. Love the band but they are kind of getting stale to me... especially for $165 a ticket.
With that said i'll probably still be in for one show but like you I am waiting for the onsale or scoring something cheaper on the secondary market.


cliffee - 9/28/2011 at 10:25 PM

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After 21 years of going to shows I'm officially giving up ( at least for now). $165 Tix to the Orpheum is simply too much. Will wait to see if there's another price level during the general sale. Not holding my breath. Anyone else find Tix prices a little too rich this year?

[Edited on 9/28/2011 by cliffee]


"raising my hand...of course, my situation is a biased one, as I'm currently looking for a 'lucrative' job...
"

If it makes you feel better...I have a fairly lucrative job, and still can't stomach the ticket price.


sixty8 - 9/28/2011 at 10:55 PM

I wouldn't pay that price for anyone. Not even the Brothers at the Beacon. The most I have and will drop on a ticket and it would have to be a show like the ABB at the Beacon is $120. If the lowest ticket prices ever rise above that I will be done forever. I have already given up all other expensive shows that come around like Van Halen, Clapton, the Stones and all other bands who over charge for stadium and arena shows. Thank God for bands like Hot Tuna, Gov't Mule, Black Crowes, and Tedeschi Trucks Band who I can see at a decent price in smaller venues.


Rydethwind - 9/28/2011 at 11:05 PM

for once I am not missing anything by living out west.. wow!


bob1954 - 9/28/2011 at 11:33 PM

I made the decision a couple years ago to just see smaller acts at smaller venues, usually for under $20. There's a lot of good music out there and the small clubs and music rooms are so much more enjoyable than the big theaters and sheds.


IdlewildNorth - 9/29/2011 at 12:01 AM

Agreed! I was floored when all I saw for the Boston shows was 151.00 plus tax, hidden fees, and your first born child, to get in. I've paid more to see the ABB in NYC, and I'm going to the Orpheum on Dec 3rd, but in case whoever sets the ticket prices forgot, we're near the brink of another recession! Give us a break!


TanDan - 9/29/2011 at 02:04 AM

Wouldn't pay that price if they were performing in my front yard with free beer.

I would pay many times that to see Bill Ector just one more time playing bass.


gNarbowski - 9/29/2011 at 02:23 AM

Hey man, I'm 22 and in college and find a way to make to shows. This will be my 11 and 12 show since 2008. First show was in State College when they opened for "The Dead." That night changed my life and from there on out I decided I would do whatever it took to see shows. Even if it meant selling my plasma for money. Ahh, so excited for the Tower Theatre.

[Edited on 9/29/2011 by gNarbowski]


absnj - 9/29/2011 at 02:42 AM

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I wouldn't pay that price for anyone. Not even the Brothers at the Beacon. The most I have and will drop on a ticket and it would have to be a show like the ABB at the Beacon is $120. If the lowest ticket prices ever rise above that I will be done forever. I have already given up all other expensive shows that come around like Van Halen, Clapton, the Stones and all other bands who over charge for stadium and arena shows. Thank God for bands like Hot Tuna, Gov't Mule, Black Crowes, and Tedeschi Trucks Band who I can see at a decent price in smaller venues.


Are you doing the WHB @ the Paramount in Huntington?


robslob - 9/29/2011 at 03:58 AM

Due to the fact that I'm getting old and can't work like a maniac like I used to, I'm throwing in the towel as well, and I agree with you that $165 is a bit much. That's part of the reason, the other part of it is I've got medical bills to pay on top of everything else. I saw Dr. John/Little Feat/Blind Boys of Alabama last night, and it was reasonable: $52 including fees for three great acts. But I already made my decision: No more concert tickets, it's going to be strictly $10 or $15 club shows for me. ABB would be the only exception (IF they ever come out West again), but if it were $165 even THEY might not get it. And not working as much and enjoying life more is well worth the budget constraints.


chowin - 9/29/2011 at 04:30 AM

woah. 165? i would rather see TTB and Warren Haynes Band and 2-3 other shows I could see with that money. Plus I factor in the shows I heard from Beacon 2011, that had Gregg sounding weak and missing vocal ques left and right.
No Fall ABB for me. No thanks. Its a question of what condition Gregg is in, and right now, I wonder. Its a big question mark????


midnghtrdr69 - 9/29/2011 at 05:00 AM

I'm starting to realize that I too may have seen my last ABB appearance at the 2008 WH Christmas Jam


Haisija - 9/29/2011 at 05:31 AM

If I spend $165.00 on somethng, I want o end up with a smile on my face and I want her to cook me something before she leaves.


sixty8 - 9/29/2011 at 05:46 AM

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I wouldn't pay that price for anyone. Not even the Brothers at the Beacon. The most I have and will drop on a ticket and it would have to be a show like the ABB at the Beacon is $120. If the lowest ticket prices ever rise above that I will be done forever. I have already given up all other expensive shows that come around like Van Halen, Clapton, the Stones and all other bands who over charge for stadium and arena shows. Thank God for bands like Hot Tuna, Gov't Mule, Black Crowes, and Tedeschi Trucks Band who I can see at a decent price in smaller venues.


Are you doing the WHB @ the Paramount in Huntington?


Of course I am Alan!!! The Paramount is only 25 minute drive from my house. I have seen many acts there when it was IMAC. Also going to Tedeschi Trucks Band the night before at Tilles Center. Great weekend of music for Long Island!!! You gonna take the LIRR or drive in Alan???


sixty8 - 9/29/2011 at 05:47 AM

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If I spend $165.00 on somethng, I want o end up with a smile on my face and I want her to cook me something before she leaves.



LMAO!!!


Shavian - 9/29/2011 at 08:28 AM

I set myself a liimit of £50 ($75-80) a while ago. The closest I've come recently to breaching this was Roger Daltrey performing Tommy (£49.50 inc charges) and that was worth the money.

Most shows I see these days are under £20 ($30-35). They are a lot of fun, you can get close to the stage, meet the musicians, grab a beer while still in the room, pick up a CD if you feel like it ...

The only issue is the number of such venues closing down.

In the highly unlikely event of the ABB ever touring Europe again, I'd pay out for one show but wouldn't follow them around as I would do if prices were more "sensible".






mulelouisville - 9/29/2011 at 09:15 AM

It is ridiculous. The ABB can charge a lower amount and still make a good profit. Why not charge $500 a ticket?


BIGV - 9/29/2011 at 10:21 AM

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Even if it meant selling my plasma for money. Ahh, so excited for the Tower Theater.





Ahhh............I remember those days so clearly. But for now, a veteran of so many great shows, I too "pick and chose" where my concert $$ is spent.

I can only speak for my self, but to spend $165 and not hear new, original material is just not worth it to me, no matter the venue.


susea - 9/29/2011 at 10:47 AM

There are "certain" band members who want to play older songs not played often and "certain" band members who do not! There are also many fans outside of this website who only go to hear the songs that always end up in rotation which is why the flow of same songs over and over. We here are not as many fans as the BIG picture, believe me but just know that there are some band members working hard to try and get other songs in rotation!


jparadise - 9/29/2011 at 11:50 AM

Yeah this is BS......$165 is ridiculous. As much as I'd like to catch them again, and was planning to fly out to Boston.....there's no way I'm paying that kind of money to see them.

Gone are the days when they were the "people's band". They gone!


jszfunk - 9/29/2011 at 11:54 AM

As long as people "fans" keep feeding the beast of tix prices , it will not change.
I probably threw in the towel about 5-6 yrs ago. It's insane. Like other people mentioned I go for the lower priced entertainment.

I hope they are not pandering to the audience at this point in they're career by playing what they want to hear. That does not make sense to me. I just wonder during an ABB show how many members of the audience are just the casual fans. The ones that expect to hear just "the best of" stuff.
It seems like the more entrenched fans would be attending at this point in the game, but I could be wrong. As far as certain songs being played and some not. I dont know.
To me they're setlist seems like a select group of songs that are rotated. Quite a few songs, but the same ones. Write some new stuff and freshen things up , and please enough of the covers for now.

I have said the same things about Deep Purple. Those guys still put music out and tour very extensively but for the most part the setlist is pretty much the same. I think recently they have mixed it up some more which is good. LIke the ABB at this point in the game are they really bringing in new fans? Yeah proabbly some, but I bet the overall percentages are low. I think as a long time fan I would enjoy hearing some old stuff that does not get played and I bet others would feel the same way. If I saw DP and they pulled out Bloodsucker,Rat Bat Blue, Into the Fire, and etc that would be awesome.
Or play some more of the Morse era stuff , which is very good. It would make for a much more intersting and memorable experience seeing and hearing that, which I might be more enticed to go to a show again.

Kinda changed the subject sorry....


Rusty - 9/29/2011 at 12:09 PM

First of all - most importanly, I love the Allman Brother's Band. The original line-up was quite possibly the greatest band ever! The current line-up is the finest act on the road (most serious competition coming from Zappa Plays Zappa and Steely Dan).

Having seen the band aproximately 100 times (from the days of the originals to present), the ticket prices leave me wondering if I've seen my last ABB show.

If there is a band or act out there that is worth $165 - it would most certainly be the current line-up of the ABB.

My home state of Alabama has certainly been blessed by the band in recent years. I don't know if there is a "love affair gone wrong" with Atlanta or not. I don't know if that was a factor in Birmingham getting a two show run a couple of years ago (WSP as the alternate open/close band). The relatively small town of Huntsville has had two of my most memorable shows including one with Jack Pearson subbing for Derek and the night after the Macon show (much, much better show than the Macon one!).

For this alone, I thank the band!

I envy my northern peachies for their ability to draw the band to their region. There is nothing more enjoyable than a visit to the Big Apple - to catch my favorite band and to throw in some museums and sight-seeing. However, for a southern boy (please notice that wages for identical jobs pay less in the south!), laying out over a hundred smackers for a single ticket, airfare, hotel and meals is becoming impossible in the current economy.

I honestly wish the band well. I hope all of these Boston shows are sell outs. But at $165 per ticket, one wonders if a "cheaper by the dozen" approach (ie - cheaper tickets) might fill the seats quicker.

To the band I say, rake it in while you can! Enjoy whatever audience shows up.

But please keep us southerners in your hearts and minds. We were the guys and gals filling the armories, parks and bars when y'all were still making the rounds in vans. Maybe we haven't fattened your wallets to the extent that the fatter cats up north have - but we have always had that mad southern love for ya.

RB


StratDal - 9/29/2011 at 12:26 PM

The Road Goes On Forever...


lonomon - 9/29/2011 at 12:29 PM

back in the early 90's, I worked collections. to keep my call volume up, or for a break,
I use to call the old hotline and sit and listen to Kirk or Kristen spout out the tour dates
(actually, that was where I first heard Warren and Allen had a new band called Gov't Mule).

Anyway, I clearly remember, the Eagles had just got back together and were doing their
reunion tour charging astronomical prices. This is what started the the whole pricing out of
the audiences. But if the people paid, the more they charged.

But, here was Kirk saying, "this band ain't the Eagles. Tickets ARE affordable"

Fast forward about 20 years, and it's funny how things have changed.

I am only doing one show at the Tower, largely to get my ABB fix, not to mention I missed
Warren's and Derek's tour this summer. But the day is coming, I won't be along for the ride
much longer.

Now ... don't get me started on Moogis ....


kdick - 9/29/2011 at 12:32 PM

My first brothers show at the Memorial Aud in Buffalo in 1979, a ticket and bus ride from Toronto was a whopping $16.00. From the perspective of inflation the increase compounded over the last 32 years would be approximatley 7% per year which is about double the rate of inflation over the same period. That being said, over the past several years I have cut back on the many shows that I would go and see and go see the shows that I need to see (The Brothers). In that they have been to Toronto about 20 times since the beginning I have seen over 80 shows everywhere else. The last five years I have had to travel just to see the band I love, SO my entertainment dollars have been re-allocated. to compensate for the increased costs. Do I like paying that amount of course not, will I pay it to see this amazing band live (ya never know when its going to end) absolutley. Its a small price to pay in the big scheme of things because when its over, its over. By the way ticketmaster says that the ticket prices for the Orpheum range from $60.00 to $165.00 so those that wish to pay less will be able to get into the shows. My 2 cents................


CanadianMule - 9/29/2011 at 12:38 PM

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As long as people "fans" keep feeding the beast of tix prices , it will not change.
I probably threw in the towel about 5-6 yrs ago. It's insane. Like other people mentioned I go for the lower priced entertainment.



One Stones concert vs a dozen Mule shows. I'll take the Mule as long as Warren does not start to dress and dance like Mick.

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I hope they are not pandering to the audience at this point in they're career by playing what they want to hear. That does not make sense to me. I just wonder during an ABB show how many members of the audience are just the casual fans. The ones that expect to hear just "the best of" stuff.
It seems like the more entrenched fans would be attending at this point in the game, but I could be wrong. As far as certain songs being played and some not. I dont know.
To me they're setlist seems like a select group of songs that are rotated. Quite a few songs, but the same ones. Write some new stuff and freshen things up , and please enough of the covers for now.



The casual fan are by far the majority even at small venues such as the Beacon. For those prices, you have to give the casual fan the songs that they know and want to hear otherwise they will stop going.

I agree about Purple ( and most clasic rock acts) especially when they are still releasing new stuff. Except the sales are so low that a small minority even hear those "new" songs.

As for the money, I said it long ago here and some got pissed but these guys are not the hippies who played free in the park and have not been for over 40 years. These guys are all business and enjoy making big money. Every move is based on highest possible profit. How some can look at how they operate and think they really give a damn about the fan is beyond me. Thought Moogis would have finally convinced some and although not an ABB project, it is an indicator of priorities. People have looked at the Beacon run as some annual ritual that is for the fans. In fact, it has long been an ABB cash cow and a really easy way to make big cash with very low expenses. Nothing wrong with that but hardly "doing it for the fans".

They have out priced themselves with many promoters which is why some areas/cities don't see shows. Great if a band wants to play a city but a promoter needs to buy the show. The promoter looks at their market and judges the band popularity, number of shows already booked, the economy for the area then at the price the band is asking. They have to decide how many asses they need in seats and at what rate. Some times the math just doesn't work. There are guarentees that must be paid and promoters don't think the risk vs profit factor is there.

If the die-hards on this site are questioning going then the casual fan will definitely pass. A few cities/promoters know that they can make a profit but must mark up prices to accomplish this. These cities are paying - for now.


kdick - 9/29/2011 at 12:50 PM

I find it incredible that everyone is whining about the fact that this is a business and always has been even back in the hippie days to quote CM. The difference back then is the bands didn't get the cash the promoters, managers and agents got the big bucks. As I said earlier the pricing model is based on demand and supply. 4 shows at a 2500 seater provides an intimate setting vs. a half filled arena or a shed with 10k. Boston and Philly will draw from the entire North East and fill the venues without any trouble. Weather could play a role at the time of year they are doing it but other than that they will fill the houses. If anyone thinks they wont then just before the show you will be able to pick up good seats cheap, again demand and supply. CM makes my point for me, I would sooner do one ABB show vs.s a dozen Mule shows!


CanadianMule - 9/29/2011 at 12:57 PM

See. Some pick the one show and others will go with the cheaper shows. Supply and demand. Ken has no problem with the price vs his entertainment value. It works for him. We all make our choices.

They do also draw from a wide area to sell these shows also as Ken mentioned. I will say that the demand is starting to dry up though Ken. Used to draw to fill the sheds.


absnj - 9/29/2011 at 01:00 PM

quote:
quote:
As long as people "fans" keep feeding the beast of tix prices , it will not change.
I probably threw in the towel about 5-6 yrs ago. It's insane. Like other people mentioned I go for the lower priced entertainment.



One Stones concert vs a dozen Mule shows. I'll take the Mule as long as Warren does not start to dress and dance like Mick.

quote:
I hope they are not pandering to the audience at this point in they're career by playing what they want to hear. That does not make sense to me. I just wonder during an ABB show how many members of the audience are just the casual fans. The ones that expect to hear just "the best of" stuff.
It seems like the more entrenched fans would be attending at this point in the game, but I could be wrong. As far as certain songs being played and some not. I dont know.
To me they're setlist seems like a select group of songs that are rotated. Quite a few songs, but the same ones. Write some new stuff and freshen things up , and please enough of the covers for now.



The casual fan are by far the majority even at small venues such as the Beacon. For those prices, you have to give the casual fan the songs that they know and want to hear otherwise they will stop going.

I agree about Purple ( and most clasic rock acts) especially when they are still releasing new stuff. Except the sales are so low that a small minority even hear those "new" songs.

As for the money, I said it long ago here and some got pissed but these guys are not the hippies who played free in the park and have not been for over 40 years. These guys are all business and enjoy making big money. Every move is based on highest possible profit. How some can look at how they operate and think they really give a damn about the fan is beyond me. Thought Moogis would have finally convinced some and although not an ABB project, it is an indicator of priorities. People have looked at the Beacon run as some annual ritual that is for the fans. In fact, it has long been an ABB cash cow and a really easy way to make big cash with very low expenses. Nothing wrong with that but hardly "doing it for the fans".

They have out priced themselves with many promoters which is why some areas/cities don't see shows. Great if a band wants to play a city but a promoter needs to buy the show. The promoter looks at their market and judges the band popularity, number of shows already booked, the economy for the area then at the price the band is asking. They have to decide how many asses they need in seats and at what rate. Some times the math just doesn't work. There are guarentees that must be paid and promoters don't think the risk vs profit factor is there.

If the die-hards on this site are questioning going then the casual fan will definitely pass. A few cities/promoters know that they can make a profit but must mark up prices to accomplish this. These cities are paying - for now.




Yup. The touring decisions are a question of revenue, cost, and logistics. Fill the house six times with only two set-ups and tear downs, one short drive between cities, at big-city ticket prices. the casual fans are the ones that pack the house, not the die hards. Obviously there are enough of them with enough money to make it work.


CanadianMule - 9/29/2011 at 01:31 PM

The trouble is that the R&R dinosaurs have been driving nails into the coffins for years and have hurt the industry by driving up average ticket prices. This leads to higher prices across the board.

Acts like the Stones, Clapton and even to a degree acts like the ABB, don't care as they are pushing their 70s in some cases. Not saying that they should care as everyone has the right to make as much as they can. But when is it enough? I would say that in most cases, never is the answer.


squabs217 - 9/29/2011 at 02:48 PM

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I made the decision a couple years ago to just see smaller acts at smaller venues, usually for under $20. There's a lot of good music out there and the small clubs and music rooms are so much more enjoyable than the big theaters and sheds.



Me too . The Engine Room in Tallahassee , Fl . is my honey hole . Never over $ 30.00 to see world class musicians .


squabs217 - 9/29/2011 at 02:50 PM

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It is ridiculous. The ABB can charge a lower amount and still make a good profit. Why not charge $500 a ticket?


Don't give 'em any ideas .


BigDaveOnBass - 9/29/2011 at 03:11 PM

WANEE


Benjamin - 9/29/2011 at 03:34 PM

You know what, I'm not complaining about these ticket prices - its just that for me, I can't justify spending that much.
And keep in mind I'm 1/2 of a couple, so most often its two tickets to buy - $350 for one night of music? Not for me....

I love the ABB, and I did spend about that much for the last show in DC at the DAR....but not anymore.

Couple of weeks ago my wife and I went to a free all day Appalachian music festival - phenomenal musicians you never heard of...and I even got to play one of their guitars....free, but priceless...


Carol - 9/29/2011 at 03:35 PM

Rusty, you are a wise man

Considering all the benefits the band has allowed die-hard fans for years..

the website where many have made and enjoyed friendships unlike any we could have found anywhere else (predators not withstanding)

ALL the FREE ALLMAN trades, thanks to an incredibly generous taping and trading policy, that has probably cost the band dearly.

Add to that the horrific cost the artist's lifestyles have cost them, not only in health costs, the ulitmate prices they have paid, losing beloved family members, band memebers and friends, I say good for them.

Il put my money where my mouth is and be glad for it or drink a long cool shot of keep my mouth shut, but hey, thats just me. Im thankful for 40 something years of the ulitmate in joy any form music has ever brought to my life.

Mileage may vary.


leftyblues - 9/29/2011 at 03:37 PM

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There are "certain" band members who want to play older songs not played often and "certain" band members who do not! There are also many fans outside of this website who only go to hear the songs that always end up in rotation which is why the flow of same songs over and over. We here are not as many fans as the BIG picture, believe me but just know that there are some band members working hard to try and get other songs in rotation!


what she said..

I would love to hike up for these but my own schedule will not allow it..

When I flip on that Atlanta show from Chastain, I am constantly reminded how good these guys are..

I can't count the number of times I have seen people post that they wish they could have seen the original band..me too..

one day , there will be folks saying they wished they could have seen this unit..

we still can...


piacere - 9/29/2011 at 03:54 PM

towel's been in the ring about 15 years now.

more important responsibilities and priorities.

I love the original members to death but can't do it anymore...


JimSheridan - 9/29/2011 at 04:28 PM

My hope is that the ABB will continue to play a number of shows at different venues, and if some are high priced, others will be less so, that they will still play some dates where I can grab a nice cheap lawn seat, for example.

For a few years in a row, that was my thing: pay top dollar for a Beacon seat in March, but then get a nice 20-dollar lawn seat in August. Here's hoping.

I'm encouraged, for example, by the fact that I passed up on the TTB at Ridgefield with tickets going for $92 - $127 but then 2 months later they are playing a half hour away in a nice small venue in Bridgeport and I got a ticket for $55.


funkyfan - 9/29/2011 at 04:42 PM

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WANEE


dingdingding...

All the great acts year after year and camping with cool people everywhere. Hard to beat it.


sixty8 - 9/29/2011 at 06:06 PM

I put a price tag on everything. When the prices exceed my price tag I drop whatever it is. I used to go to about 15 Islanders hockey games a year. Prices went past my limit for a decent seat so I haven't been to a hockey game in seven years now. Used to go to about a dozen or so Mets baseball games every year. Prices at the new ballpark for a decent seat went past my limit so I have only attended one game live at Citi Field. Same goes for concerts. I used to hit fifteen to twenty shows per year and that has dropped to around ten and I don't do any of the expensive arena shows anymore. The ABB at the Beacon are the only tickets I will pay more than the $60 or $70 range for. Sucks but in today's economy it is what it is. That is a lot of money I used to help stimulate the economy with that doesn't get spent into the economy anymore. That is life these days though. Can't spend what you don't have and I am just one single person. Lots of married couples with kids who have it much worse off than me. No wonder the economy is in such a bad state. Consumer spending is just way down and getting worse.


mulelouisville - 9/29/2011 at 06:14 PM

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WANEE


enough said...


griff - 9/29/2011 at 06:22 PM

I'm considering seeing Manzarek and Krieger at Westbury on Nov 4th for 40 bucks. I won't pay the ticketbastard fees. If some tickets come my way, fine. But I no longer "have" to see any shows. So I may pop for 40 per to see those guys.
I saw Mickey Hart at the Bluepoint brewery this summer for 40 bucks. Spent that much on Blue Point Hoptical Illusion in the backyard there. Good time.


revonah - 9/29/2011 at 06:54 PM

This thread is hyper-inaccurate!! You can buy tickets to both venues for $65.00.
Many people here make it sound like ALL tixs to ABB shows are $165.00, WRONG.
Bands do not set the price levels, promoters do. If you want to see the ABB, someone
has to front the money and organize the theater. A promoter looks at the number
of seats in a venue and decides the threshold for pain($) a consumer will tolerate.

$165.00 gets you up front. So yes, if you want a good seat it's going to cost you.
A promoter books the band, ABB have a set price for a perfomance. The backers/promoters make a decison on how much of a return on their investment they
can possibly make and set ticket prices accordingly.

Steve Miller is playing the same venue, and commanding the same prices. Hense, the ticket price for the ABB shows are not out line. I understand the issue with people not
having the money to see a show due to the economy, but you do not have to spend
$165.00 to see the Bros..

The Stub Hubs, etc already have tickets for double and triple face value, and will sell
most of them at those ridiculous prices.

Again, I am not po-poing the idea that $165.00 is expensive, IT IS! But, it's not the band
that sets the ticket prices, it is a very small venue, and someone always makes money.
If they didn't no bands would be touring.


[Edited on 9/29/2011 by revonah]


CanadianMule - 9/29/2011 at 07:12 PM

Well put and accurate.

But the band/bands are not totally without blame as their asking price sets up the cost factor for promoters. They are making a buck also.

nothing wrong with that although making a little less could help the masses afford a ticket.

Funny how when any act charges an insane price that the cheap seat becomes $70-$100 in comparison. Seems that a couple of years ago those were the high prices.


mistersnappy - 9/29/2011 at 07:44 PM

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I made the decision a couple years ago to just see smaller acts at smaller venues, usually for under $20. There's a lot of good music out there and the small clubs and music rooms are so much more enjoyable than the big theaters and sheds.



Me too . The Engine Room in Tallahassee , Fl . is my honey hole . Never over $ 30.00 to see world class musicians .


Lotta truth in this. Go out and support local acts who aint getting paid **** . It is *work* after all and ought to be rewarded. Can't remember the last time I was paid for playing and I'm in the majority where I live. Sad state of affairs.


RobJohnson - 9/29/2011 at 10:35 PM

It is tough to justify those kind of ticket prices, but it's easy for me to say that because I was lucky enough to see the ABB many, many times while working at HTN. I never thought I would say this, but I think I finally scratched my Allmans itch until it stopped itching. If I never saw them again, I think I would be okay with that.

As others have said, there is a lot of great music out there for much cheaper prices, although I certainly think the ABB are worth every penny. In a few weeks I will get to see one of my favorite bands on Earth, Toubab Krewe, for $15 without leaving Atlanta.

It may not be the same thing as an Allmans show, but it will be a great night of music without having to take out a small loan to do it. Best of all, it's a band I haven't seen 50-60 times that is still young and hungry and capable of surprising me.


midnghtrdr69 - 9/29/2011 at 10:40 PM

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First of all - most importanly, I love the Allman Brother's Band. The original line-up was quite possibly the greatest band ever! The current line-up is the finest act on the road (most serious competition coming from Zappa Plays Zappa and Steely Dan).

Having seen the band aproximately 100 times (from the days of the originals to present), the ticket prices leave me wondering if I've seen my last ABB show.

If there is a band or act out there that is worth $165 - it would most certainly be the current line-up of the ABB.

My home state of Alabama has certainly been blessed by the band in recent years. I don't know if there is a "love affair gone wrong" with Atlanta or not. I don't know if that was a factor in Birmingham getting a two show run a couple of years ago (WSP as the alternate open/close band). The relatively small town of Huntsville has had two of my most memorable shows including one with Jack Pearson subbing for Derek and the night after the Macon show (much, much better show than the Macon one!).

For this alone, I thank the band!

I envy my northern peachies for their ability to draw the band to their region. There is nothing more enjoyable than a visit to the Big Apple - to catch my favorite band and to throw in some museums and sight-seeing. However, for a southern boy (please notice that wages for identical jobs pay less in the south!), laying out over a hundred smackers for a single ticket, airfare, hotel and meals is becoming impossible in the current economy.

I honestly wish the band well. I hope all of these Boston shows are sell outs. But at $165 per ticket, one wonders if a "cheaper by the dozen" approach (ie - cheaper tickets) might fill the seats quicker.

To the band I say, rake it in while you can! Enjoy whatever audience shows up.

But please keep us southerners in your hearts and minds. We were the guys and gals filling the armories, parks and bars when y'all were still making the rounds in vans. Maybe we haven't fattened your wallets to the extent that the fatter cats up north have - but we have always had that mad southern love for ya.

RB


Amen...very well stated, and that pretty much covers my feelings exactly. BJCC in '09 was a great two night run, but a 6 hour drive one way. Also the last shows (not counting the Christmas Jam) of ABB that I've seen. I 've been able to see TTB for 40-50 bucks
twice at about an hour drive each time. If they choose economics (ABB) afraid I will have to do the same.


cliffee - 9/29/2011 at 11:01 PM

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This thread is hyper-inaccurate!! You can buy tickets to both venues for $65.00.
Many people here make it sound like ALL tixs to ABB shows are $165.00, WRONG.
Bands do not set the price levels, promoters do. If you want to see the ABB, someone
has to front the money and organize the theater. A promoter looks at the number
of seats in a venue and decides the threshold for pain($) a consumer will tolerate.

$165.00 gets you up front. So yes, if you want a good seat it's going to cost you.
A promoter books the band, ABB have a set price for a perfomance. The backers/promoters make a decison on how much of a return on their investment they
can possibly make and set ticket prices accordingly."


[Edited on 9/29/2011 by revonah]


[Edited on 9/29/2011 by cliffee]


It appears that there is a second price level in Boston. Those were not available during the presale. There are $75.00 Tix during general on sale tomorrow. That's good news.....think I'll pick my thrown towel back up.


[Edited on 9/30/2011 by cliffee]


curry - 9/29/2011 at 11:44 PM

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There are "certain" band members who want to play older songs not played often and "certain" band members who do not! There are also many fans outside of this website who only go to hear the songs that always end up in rotation which is why the flow of same songs over and over. We here are not as many fans as the BIG picture, believe me but just know that there are some band members working hard to try and get other songs in rotation!


When I saw them in Bethel, NY around 09, I sat by folks who were unaware of this website on one side of me and I'm sure this is pretty common. They had just come out for a day's music and recreation. Behind me on the lawn I heard 'Where's Dickey?' posed as a genuine question. Overheard at the beer queue, 'that blonde, long haired guitarist is pretty good'.

There are plenty of folk out there who just choose to go out for a nights entertainment and when you factor in high population areas like Boston or NYC, there will be more wealth available for tickets. And are not really like us rabid fans in this microcosm here.

Its all about supply and demand.


jmf81123 - 9/30/2011 at 01:25 AM

I drove over from Orlando to the Clearwater FL show Oct 2009. Didn“t want to pay Beacon prices. Used a Grateful Dead/Phish fan strategy by going up to Venue about 10 minutes before first lick with 1 finger in air. Ended up with $110 ticket for the $25 I had stuffed in my pocket claiming it was all I had. Took about 10 minutes and saw first lick. Show sizzled. Venue (Ruth Eckerd Hall) almost matched the performance.

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[Edited on 9/30/2011 by jmf81123]


Brock - 9/30/2011 at 01:53 AM

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quote:
There are "certain" band members who want to play older songs not played often and "certain" band members who do not! There are also many fans outside of this website who only go to hear the songs that always end up in rotation which is why the flow of same songs over and over. We here are not as many fans as the BIG picture, believe me but just know that there are some band members working hard to try and get other songs in rotation!


what she said..

I would love to hike up for these but my own schedule will not allow it..

When I flip on that Atlanta show from Chastain, I am constantly reminded how good these guys are..

I can't count the number of times I have seen people post that they wish they could have seen the original band..me too..

one day , there will be folks saying they wished they could have seen this unit..

we still can...


I like this very much.

Remembering back to the late 80's and 1st half of the 90's, and I'd go see every Atlanta Dead show, and a few others elsewhere too, and people would ask "why do you go to so many?" I'd try to explain, but most still did not get it. After Jerry died, it all made sense. Gather ye rosebuds while ye may.


LeglizHemp - 9/30/2011 at 03:02 AM

hmmm....considering that ABB is the center of many bands that play for the $40 ticket price.....and that the band has/will only play 22 shows this year and some people in the past would have gone to see ABB 4 times or more in one years time........i don't think the price of these last shows is all that bad.... i mean when they played 100 plus shows a year.....never mind.....maybe i'm drunk


CanadianMule - 9/30/2011 at 04:25 AM

No right or wrong answer as each person will decide their cutoff price. Some people got out of the concert going thing long ago. I have one friend that has seen and worked thousands of shows and just laughs at the prices. Thinks we are all nuts. Considering the prices we paid to see these classic rock bands in their prime, it is pretty funny to pay them hundreds per ticket in their 60s. That would have been like our Grandfathers rocking out for kids when we were young.

We are paying now because they all snorted all their cash in the 70s and 80s. Went bankrupt and then got a chance to do it all again. Knowing that they would blow their money, they demanded even more the next time around. Experience paid off.


Shavian - 9/30/2011 at 07:38 AM

quote:
quote:
quote:
There are "certain" band members who want to play older songs not played often and "certain" band members who do not! There are also many fans outside of this website who only go to hear the songs that always end up in rotation which is why the flow of same songs over and over. We here are not as many fans as the BIG picture, believe me but just know that there are some band members working hard to try and get other songs in rotation!


what she said..

I would love to hike up for these but my own schedule will not allow it..

When I flip on that Atlanta show from Chastain, I am constantly reminded how good these guys are..

I can't count the number of times I have seen people post that they wish they could have seen the original band..me too..

one day , there will be folks saying they wished they could have seen this unit..

we still can...


I like this very much.

Remembering back to the late 80's and 1st half of the 90's, and I'd go see every Atlanta Dead show, and a few others elsewhere too, and people would ask "why do you go to so many?" I'd try to explain, but most still did not get it. After Jerry died, it all made sense. Gather ye rosebuds while ye may.




I believe Frank Sinatra first exploited this sentiment with his "farewell" tours which, I think, started in 1971 and were still going strong in the 1990s!




Sang - 9/30/2011 at 02:21 PM

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hmmm....considering that ABB is the center of many bands that play for the $40 ticket price.....and that the band has/will only play 22 shows this year and some people in the past would have gone to see ABB 4 times or more in one years time........i don't think the price of these last shows is all that bad.... i mean when they played 100 plus shows a year.....never mind.....maybe i'm drunk




It's been said before that the ABB was the money engine that allowed those other bands to even exist...........Mule, DTB and Oteil's Peacemakers were always a bargain, IMO..... TTB is still a bargain, but their price is up there because of the 11 members (It was $65 in Chicago, I believe).


leafsfan - 9/30/2011 at 06:18 PM

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for once I am not missing anything by living out west.. wow!


I would pay 165 to see them one more time in the Pac. Nwest at a smalkl venue but thats because they haven't been out this way for 3 or 4 years now.
I would add that the venue would be half empty and I would be there on my own, 330 bucks for 3 hours of music for a couple is brutal.

When you add hotel, gas, food, beverages, a t-shirt your looking at +750 night.

[Edited on 9/30/2011 by leafsfan]


IPowrie - 9/30/2011 at 08:46 PM

quote:
It is tough to justify those kind of ticket prices, but it's easy for me to say that because I was lucky enough to see the ABB many, many times while working at HTN. I never thought I would say this, but I think I finally scratched my Allmans itch until it stopped itching. If I never saw them again, I think I would be okay with that.

As others have said, there is a lot of great music out there for much cheaper prices, although I certainly think the ABB are worth every penny. In a few weeks I will get to see one of my favorite bands on Earth, Toubab Krewe, for $15 without leaving Atlanta.

It may not be the same thing as an Allmans show, but it will be a great night of music without having to take out a small loan to do it. Best of all, it's a band I haven't seen 50-60 times that is still young and hungry and capable of surprising me.


Would love to see Toubab Krewe hoping they come north. On the tickets prices wish they were cheaper but some of the acts that charge alot Id like to see so Id be willing to pay the money for the cheap seats. The most Ive paid for a ticket was just over $60 and for that I got into the pit right by the stage


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