Thread: TTB Live in Oakland

axeman - 3/17/2017 at 12:44 PM

I've only heard the Leaving Trunk so far. Great performance but I have to say, not liking the mix so far. I can hear too much of the room and not enough of the band. Would like to be able to hear the rhythm section better and even the vocals. Still happy to have it. Any other thoughts?

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porkchopbob - 3/17/2017 at 01:04 PM

I just compared the "Keep on Growing" from Oakland and Let Me Get By. There seems to be a little more separation and life to the Let Me Get By version, it's pretty minor though. Kofi's keys are kind of buried on the Oakland version. "Just As Strange" has some life, but everything sounds kind of far away, like a really good audience recording. First impressions, the music still sounds great, can't wait to spin this one all day.


axeman - 3/17/2017 at 02:41 PM

Really liked I Want More. Great performance. Likewise Don't Know What it Means. The recording mix seems better on these two and both are really well executed. Still wish they would clean up the sax solo at the end of Don't Know What It Means. Looking forward to hearing more.


porkchopbob - 3/17/2017 at 03:25 PM

As much as I like "Keep On Growing" and "I Pity the Fool", their inclusion is kind of odd since they were both on Let Me Get By.

Some really nice acoustic moments on "These Walls". Digging "Ali" a lot, wish they'd have included some of the "Bitches Brew" they've been performing lately, but can't complain about a live TTB album. "Bird on a Wire" was way overdue, Susan has been nailing that tune the past couple of years.


porkchopbob - 3/17/2017 at 03:28 PM

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Still wish they would clean up the sax solo at the end of Don't Know What It Means.


I'm not hearing anything wrong with it on my system.


axeman - 3/17/2017 at 04:13 PM

Regarding the sax solo, I like they way it starts with a Crazy-Coltrane flutter but it just stays in bombastic mode too long for me. I he would try a more melodic-groove approach to it. There are lot of things they could do with that outro jam. It sounds fine on this album.

That's funny that you mention Bird On A Wire, I just heard that one. Awesome. Might be the best track I've heard so far. The vocals on Bird are just awesome from Susan to the support singers, pure heaven. Also liked Ali a lot.


porkchopbob - 3/17/2017 at 04:16 PM

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Regarding the sax solo, I like they way it starts with a Crazy-Coltrane flutter but it just stays in bombastic mode too long for me. I he would try a more melodic-groove approach to it. There are lot of things they could do with that outro jam. It sounds fine on this album.



Ah, gotcha, I thought you meant sonically. I actually dig that moment, it reminds me of electric Miles, and I like that the horn players get to experiment a little. I can totally understand not digging those noisier moments.

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axeman - 3/17/2017 at 04:20 PM

Totally! But as an avid TTB fan, I have heard him hang on that particular style for over a year now and hope he and/or other band members continue to try different ideas and develop that section more. FWIW I think that exactly how they should START that section, I just don't think they should hang on it for the whole solo. Sonically, I think it is one of the best tracks on the album.

Within Without You was also particularly nice.


Joe_the_Lurker - 3/17/2017 at 05:40 PM

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Great performance but I have to say, not liking the mix so far. I can hear too much of the room and not enough of the band.


Exactly, and it's even worse on the Multi Channel PCM audio mode on the Blu Ray. I can barely hear the guitars and vocals and it's all just a mush of low end ambient room noise. The 5 Channel Stereo is better though, but still I would like to hear the actual music, because it's phenomenal. I've been critical of the drummers in the past (when Butch and Jaimoe are your baseline it's hard not to be critical of all other drummers in the world) but Derek's solo in Keep on Growin is just so freaking tight with the drummers. That is worth the price of the whole album for me.


porkchopbob - 3/17/2017 at 06:05 PM

I'm comparing Oakland to Everbody's Talking and it's night and day. ET sounds full and separated; Oakland is muddy - horns, keys, and background vocals are buried and bouncing around into each other. Still enjoying the album, but the mix is pretty flat, like it was recorded from the balcony.


IF - 3/17/2017 at 08:18 PM

Tedeschi Trucks Band perform "Let Me Get By" from their release "Live From The Fox Oakland."


https://youtu.be/um9TmblAcnw


daddymack - 3/17/2017 at 09:36 PM

Just got mine. I popped in the dvd and wanted to see some interviews and backstage footage since i don't have time to watch the concert yet. Although it was advertised i don't see it. Orrrrr. Maybe it's interspersed in the concert hence calling it a "film". A little disappointed but subject to change after i view it's entirety.


daddymack - 3/17/2017 at 09:42 PM

Complaint withdrawn.


axeman - 3/18/2017 at 01:47 PM

I'm sorry, I hate doing this but I need to vent and this IS a music discussion board. The mix on Leaving Trunk is really pissing me off. I was really looking forward to this and I keep listening to it and trying different volumes and speakers but I feel like I'm listening to a bootleg. Ditto Don't Drift Away. I hope they re-mix this somewhere down the road. Frustrating.

The mix works fine on Within Without You and few others.


porkchopbob - 3/18/2017 at 02:00 PM

quote:
I'm sorry, I hate doing this but I need to vent and this IS a music discussion board. The mix on Leaving Trunk is really pissing me off. I was really looking forward to this and I keep listening to it and trying different volumes and speakers but I feel like I'm listening to a bootleg. Ditto Don't Drift Away. I hope they re-mix this somewhere down the road. Frustrating.

The mix works fine on Within Without You and few others.


No, no, I agree. Never mind that its appearance is kind of superfluous after the Live at the Georgia Theatre version, "Leaving Trunk" here sounds pretty muddy, especially Mike's vocals and Kofi's keys. Odd since it's one of the tunes that gets really quiet, so separation should be a cinch. It sounds like an audience recording. It makes me wonder if they recorded these shows with the intention to release them, but they also filmed the performance, so it's kind of baffling.


axeman - 3/18/2017 at 02:05 PM

That's a good question. I thought it was sort of odd that they mentioned taping the whole tour and then decided to release one show only. Full of repeats from the last album too. Strange.

Listen to this audience recording from Lockin 2016. Yes you need to turn up the volume more that the album and there is certainly separation and some clarity deficiencies compared to the album BUT turn it up and it is a better mix, I can hear the band and I am not distracted by the room. To be fair, I'm sure this was outside but as you pointed out Bob, Everybody's Talkin' has a great mix and I believe that was indoors. And the Lockin'n recording was made by a fan not a professional record company.

Interesting comparison:

https://archive.org/details/ttb2016-08-27.Gefell_NBob_Aerco/ttb20160827_Loc kn_01.flac


piper - 3/18/2017 at 05:59 PM

Derek's solo in I Want More is worth the purchase alone. Holy cow !!!!!


WaitinForRain - 3/18/2017 at 07:07 PM

Has anyone compared the CD release to the archive.org version? (evil grin)

I'm enjoying it because it is live TTB. Love the band but did not like Everybody's Talking. Oakland is better. Still I agree, it's very boomy, was hoping for better quality mix all the way around. And not sure why there are so many songs repeated from other albums - UNLESS - they needed to get something out to handle a contractual obligation. So. Lovin' some TTB and Wondrin' along with everyone else, WTH.

Maybe I shoulda got the DVD too.

PS: just watched the DVD for LMGB - Susan starts without her glasses. Then she has them on. Anyone smell splice or does she keep 'em on her amp or something?

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axeman - 3/19/2017 at 01:12 AM

The archive show was taken down as soon as the album was announced. Would be an interesting comparison.


Here is the night prior in Oakland:

https://archive.org/details/ttb2016-09-08/ttb2019-09-08t05.flac


daddymack - 3/20/2017 at 01:37 AM

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Has anyone compared the CD release to the archive.org version? (evil grin)

I'm enjoying it because it is live TTB. Love the band but did not like Everybody's Talking. Oakland is better. Still I agree, it's very boomy, was hoping for better quality mix all the way around. And not sure why there are so many songs repeated from other albums - UNLESS - they needed to get something out to handle a contractual obligation. So. Lovin' some TTB and Wondrin' along with everyone else, WTH.

Maybe I shoulda got the DVD too.

PS: just watched the DVD for LMGB - Susan starts without her glasses. Then she has them on. Anyone smell splice or does she keep 'em on her amp or something?

[Edited on 3/18/2017 by WaitinForRain]

[Edited on 3/19/2017 by WaitinForRain]


You guys have a much more technical ear then myself. I really enjoyed it.

I don't get the complaints about repeat songs. I'm sure they have to get clearance and/or pay to use other peoples songs on their album. So what can they do?


stormyrider - 3/20/2017 at 02:24 PM

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Has anyone compared the CD release to the archive.org version? (evil grin)

I'm enjoying it because it is live TTB. Love the band but did not like Everybody's Talking. Oakland is better. Still I agree, it's very boomy, was hoping for better quality mix all the way around. And not sure why there are so many songs repeated from other albums - UNLESS - they needed to get something out to handle a contractual obligation. So. Lovin' some TTB and Wondrin' along with everyone else, WTH.

Maybe I shoulda got the DVD too.

PS: just watched the DVD for LMGB - Susan starts without her glasses. Then she has them on. Anyone smell splice or does she keep 'em on her amp or something?

[Edited on 3/18/2017 by WaitinForRain]

[Edited on 3/19/2017 by WaitinForRain]


You guys have a much more technical ear then myself. I really enjoyed it.

I don't get the complaints about repeat songs. I'm sure they have to get clearance and/or pay to use other peoples songs on their album. So what can they do?


Got the CD / DVD. Love it.
Put me in the camp that doesn't mind the "repeats". The live versions are different than the studio versions.

re: glasses - Susan started the show with them on, then took them off sometime in the 2nd set, and put them back on during LMGB. I can't say why she did that but I've seen her do it before. None of the shots were close ups, everyone else was wearing the exact same clothing in the entire vid. Not a splice.


WaitinForRain - 3/20/2017 at 09:17 PM

Thanks for the RE: GLasses tip! LoL.

I now wish I'd ordered the DVD. I am still as mystified as anyone as to why such a set-list redundant package was released. but. Digging it more the more I listen. Waiting for west coast summer tour info.


JimSheridan - 3/21/2017 at 02:52 AM

The blue ray is just staggeringly beautiful. I only got a few songs in before life interfered, but "Bird on a Wire" got me a ll choked up. Unreal. Goosebumps. Jeez.


daddymack - 3/21/2017 at 04:16 AM

quote:
quote:
quote:
Has anyone compared the CD release to the archive.org version? (evil grin)

I'm enjoying it because it is live TTB. Love the band but did not like Everybody's Talking. Oakland is better. Still I agree, it's very boomy, was hoping for better quality mix all the way around. And not sure why there are so many songs repeated from other albums - UNLESS - they needed to get something out to handle a contractual obligation. So. Lovin' some TTB and Wondrin' along with everyone else, WTH.

Maybe I shoulda got the DVD too.

PS: just watched the DVD for LMGB - Susan starts without her glasses. Then she has them on. Anyone smell splice or does she keep 'em on her amp or something?

[Edited on 3/18/2017 by WaitinForRain]

[Edited on 3/19/2017 by WaitinForRain]


You guys have a much more technical ear then myself. I really enjoyed it.

I don't get the complaints about repeat songs. I'm sure they have to get clearance and/or pay to use other peoples songs on their album. So what can they do?


Got the CD / DVD. Love it.
Put me in the camp that doesn't mind the "repeats". The live versions are different than the studio versions.

re: glasses - Susan started the show with them on, then took them off sometime in the 2nd set, and put them back on during LMGB. I can't say why she did that but I've seen her do it before. None of the shots were close ups, everyone else was wearing the exact same clothing in the entire vid. Not a splice.


I'll have to watch it again but I'm sure during one song i noticed susan was wearing different clothes


JimSheridan - 3/21/2017 at 01:20 PM

There is a "soundcheck" song, "Color of the Blues," that is in the middle of the movie but clearly not in the middle of the concert. Maybe that is what you mean?

The movie / video is very edited in terms of having road footage, backstage talk, interviews, snippets of Derek at Marc Maron's house etc.

Those aspects are surprisingly very enjoyable. Usually, given my druthers, I'll take a straight-up concert film instead, but this mix of concert footage plus interviews - like "The Last Waltz" - really works.

I still haven't gotten ALL the way through the video, but I was really moved by the brief snippet with Derek's dad. He seems incredibly light-hearted, delighted to be on the road with Derek and Susan, working the merch booth rather than working as a roofer, enjoying interacting with the fans (particularly savoring a hug from a gorgeous fan!) - his incredibly light nature struck me because his brother Butch was always so intense. This guy is a big sweet teddy bear. He's living the dream. Very poignant for an ABB fan to see.

I also loved the snippet on the tour bus where Susan goes to make Derek's bunk up for him, and she finds about a half a dozen slides in his sheets and under his mattress!!!


stormyrider - 3/21/2017 at 01:51 PM

^^
lol, that was a great scene on the bus.
I also like the barbecue and softball game


jszfunk - 3/21/2017 at 09:56 PM

I have read some reviews that the Blu Ray sound quality is not that good.


cmgst34 - 3/22/2017 at 03:25 PM

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I also loved the snippet on the tour bus where Susan goes to make Derek's bunk up for him, and she finds about a half a dozen slides in his sheets and under his mattress!!!


I haven't seen the DVD, but that made me laugh -- because it reminds me a bit of my house. I have a 3-and-a-half-year-old son, who loves playing my guitars. He'll stand in front of them and play them like we adults would play a stand up bass.

Anyway, he loses picks like it's his job. It seems like within seconds of him strumming the pick is gone and we can't find it. We go through tons of picks every month.

We hosted my sister's bridal shower two weekends ago, and a couple of her friends came over to get the house ready, we are moving furniture around and sliding other things, etc., and one girl was like "I am finding picks EVERYWHERE!!!!"


As an aside, and just to show how cute kids are, a couple months ago I started playing Chris Stapleton's version of Tennessee Whiskey, my son called it the "Spooky Song". So, his new thing is to sit on my lap and he says "Daddy, play the spooky song."

I finger the chords for Tennessee Whiskey, while my son strums, and he makes up lyrics and sings about monsters and ghosts and witches for the "Spooky Song." I love it.

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