Thread: NASCAR 2017

nebish - 2/8/2017 at 01:46 AM

It's around the corner!

You all hear about the changes coming for this year? Each race will be 3 segments and points awarded for winning each segment. Details here:

http://www.nascar.com/en_us/news-media/articles/2017/1/23/new-nascar-race-f ormat-2017-announced.html


nebish - 2/8/2017 at 03:00 AM

Yahoo Fantasy League:

https://racing.fantasysports.yahoo.com/auto/register/joinprivategroup

Group ID#: 4685
Password: fast


Who ever said NASCAR fans aren't diverse? A lesbian won our yahoo league last year!


nebish - 2/10/2017 at 03:18 PM

5 of us are going to Daytona 500, anyone ever been there?


Dannyspell - 2/10/2017 at 03:33 PM

I have toured the track but not attended the race. My nephew forked over the bucks and did a few laps around the track. He still talks about it.


nebish - 2/10/2017 at 04:07 PM

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I have toured the track but not attended the race. My nephew forked over the bucks and did a few laps around the track. He still talks about it.


Race was sold out last year, but that was the first year for the remodel. I've only been to Charlotte before on a few occasions. We talked about going back to Charlotte again and were like 'why not Daytona' after all it is like the biggest nascar event of the season. Should be fun. Alot of tracks don't have hotels and bars within walking distance of the track, but Daytona does so that helps. We looked into renting an RV inside the track, which as cool as it would've been, hard to justify the cost of doing that.


Sang - 2/11/2017 at 05:11 AM

As long as I can beat DanB this will be worth it.......


nebish - 2/11/2017 at 05:45 AM

4 signed up so far. I know for sure that 3 more people will be coming on. Hopefully alanwoods sees this, I don't have his email for some reason.

Legalizehemp should play. You don't need to watch NASCAR to do well. I won the ABB league my first year in and Sang did pretty well at times last season.


DanB - 2/11/2017 at 12:46 PM

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4 signed up so far. I know for sure that 3 more people will be coming on. Hopefully alanwoods sees this, I don't have his email for some reason.

Legalizehemp should play. You don't need to watch NASCAR to do well. I won the ABB league my first year in and Sang did pretty well at times last season.


BigAlgoatfucker@gmail.com


piacere - 2/11/2017 at 02:32 PM

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5 of us are going to Daytona 500, anyone ever been there?


went there once. Time trials, didn't have tickets to the race though...

Daytona is a madhouse during Speedweeks. I hope you're a drinker...


heineken515 - 2/12/2017 at 08:22 PM

Been to the track, many times, Twin 125's for years, the July race multiple times - and the 500 once.

All that was pre-recent improvements.


nebish - 2/13/2017 at 01:26 AM

There is live racing next weekend!

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Race Coverage of the Advance Auto Parts Clash at Daytona Monster Energy NASCAR Cup Series race at Daytona International Speedway is scheduled for Saturday, February 18, 2016.
Television (TV): FS1 at 8:00 pm/et;
NASCAR Raceday Pre-Race show at 6:00 pm/et; green flag approx. 8:29pm/et
Radio: Motor Racing Network (MRN) and Sirius XM Satellite NASCAR Radio 90


nebish - 2/15/2017 at 05:17 PM

A new entry to the NASCAR league, Heineken515! Let's go racin Don!

It makes watching the races more fun.

I know for sure last year's winner and another person will be signing up still.

I guess we've lost leafsfan? He was always pretty into the racin'. No sign of Alan yet.

And we need to recruit legalizhemp still.


Sang - 2/15/2017 at 05:46 PM

The only reason I play is to beat Woods and DanB.................


nebish - 2/15/2017 at 05:49 PM

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The only reason I play is to beat Woods and DanB.................


Same as last year, if you win next pizza in Chicago is on me!


LeglizHemp - 2/15/2017 at 06:38 PM

i don't pay enough attention to do any good, but i joined. good luck


nebish - 2/15/2017 at 06:46 PM

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i don't pay enough attention to do any good, but i joined. good luck


AWESOME!

It is pretty easy to play. As you'll see the drivers are grouped into A, B and C. A drivers are typically the best and most likely to win on a weekly basis. The B drivers are the next group and usually every year there are a couple B drivers that end up having really good years. C drivers are tough. They are rookies or drivers with underfunded teams or part timers.

You can pick 2 A, 4 B and 2 C drivers for your roster each week before the rosters lock which is usually before practices on Thursday, Friday or Saturday take place.

So once you have that roster of drivers you then select 1 A, 2 B and 1 C driver for your actual starting lineup for the race. You do get points for qualifying in the top 4 and you also get points for leading a lap or the most laps in a race. And then the final point totals are awarded based on finishing position.

This year will be a little different since NASCAR changed how the races are going to be run. I should read that myself before I tell people how to play.

There are 3 segments to our fantasy season, spring, summer and fall/playoffs, plus the overall season winner.

Your single lowest score per segment will be dropped. So if you forget to do it one week and your lineup is crappy or a bunch of your drivers wreck, don't worry, you get 1 freebie each segment.

Have fun!

If you have any questions or need help you can send me a PM or email.


LeglizHemp - 2/15/2017 at 06:50 PM

my brother is a big racing fan....all kinds, so he lets me know the latest rule changes.


alanwoods - 2/15/2017 at 07:47 PM

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4 signed up so far. I know for sure that 3 more people will be coming on. Hopefully alanwoods sees this, I don't have his email for some reason.

Legalizehemp should play. You don't need to watch NASCAR to do well. I won the ABB league my first year in and Sang did pretty well at times last season.


BigAlgoatfucker@gmail.com


I don't check that box very often... But when I do, I spend a while there.


heineken515 - 2/16/2017 at 07:54 PM

I don't claim to understand all the new points/stages/segments rules, but I did read where I believe they will have a competition caution after each stage or segment.

I don't like it.

Of course I will have to see how this plays out but 1st impression is that makes it too much like the {fill in the blank} Clash race or the Charlotte All Star race and less like a normal race.


nebish - 2/16/2017 at 10:23 PM

Yeah...on one hand I don't like scheduled stops and essentially having 3 shorter races, but then again I really do love restarts. I think restarts are the best part of races.

Overall I'm open to it. Only been following nascar for all that long. I don't know, I could see how long time fans wouldn't like it.


heineken515 - 2/18/2017 at 12:22 AM

Ok, going out on a limb here and predicting Daniel Suarez finishes dead last in The Clash


Lee - 2/18/2017 at 12:57 AM

There is a contest in Chicago. If you buy grandstand tickets for the race here in September and you enter this contest and Jr. wins the Daytona, they will give you your money back for the Chicago race.

Interesting...


DanB - 2/18/2017 at 01:26 PM

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Ok, going out on a limb here and predicting Daniel Suarez finishes dead last in The Clash


he'll come up a little short


nebish - 2/19/2017 at 04:28 AM

No race! Rain? I had it DVR to watch tonight, will have to DVR tomorrow now.

Turned it on to hear them saying a sponsors name every other word.

If there is one thing I hate about nascar it is all the damn sponsorship and marketing stuff everywhere. Drivers drink (or pretend to drink) from their coke or other energy drink before interviews. The announcers must be contractually bound to state more often than not "Sunoco fuel" instead of just "fuel" or "Goodyear tires" instead of just "tires".

How about the ARCA race...The Lucas Oil Complete Engine Treatment 200 Driven by General Tire. Got to especially hate them squeezing two sponsors into one title.


DanB - 2/19/2017 at 12:20 PM

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No race! Rain? I had it DVR to watch tonight, will have to DVR tomorrow now.

Turned it on to hear them saying a sponsors name every other word.

If there is one thing I hate about nascar it is all the damn sponsorship and marketing stuff everywhere. Drivers drink (or pretend to drink) from their coke or other energy drink before interviews. The announcers must be contractually bound to state more often than not "Sunoco fuel" instead of just "fuel" or "Goodyear tires" instead of just "tires".

How about the ARCA race...The Lucas Oil Complete Engine Treatment 200 Driven by General Tire. Got to especially hate them squeezing two sponsors into one title.



Agreed!!

Every time I turned the TV over to practice they were on commercial. The product really just sucks these days.

Nascar is the only sport that doesn't publish it's TV ratings. I'd love to see how far it's dropped in the last few years.


DanB - 2/19/2017 at 12:20 PM

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No race! Rain? I had it DVR to watch tonight, will have to DVR tomorrow now.

Turned it on to hear them saying a sponsors name every other word.

If there is one thing I hate about nascar it is all the damn sponsorship and marketing stuff everywhere. Drivers drink (or pretend to drink) from their coke or other energy drink before interviews. The announcers must be contractually bound to state more often than not "Sunoco fuel" instead of just "fuel" or "Goodyear tires" instead of just "tires".

How about the ARCA race...The Lucas Oil Complete Engine Treatment 200 Driven by General Tire. Got to especially hate them squeezing two sponsors into one title.



Agreed!!

Every time I turned the TV over to practice they were on commercial. The product really just sucks these days.

Nascar is the only sport that doesn't publish it's TV ratings. I'd love to see how far it's dropped in the last few years.


DanB - 2/19/2017 at 12:25 PM

Here's a quote from Brian France.


“Number two, we are still very pleased with our position in sports. The audience isn't going away at all. It's sliding to different places, consuming in different ways. I would tell you some other leagues that have 30% drop‑offs, they didn't lose 30% of their audience from one moment to the next, that audience is just sliding and consuming in some different ways. Our digital consumption is off the charts.”


Which leagues have fallen 30"? This dude is delusional. The fan base is sliding alright onto other sports.


DanB - 2/19/2017 at 12:25 PM

Here's a quote from Brian France.


“Number two, we are still very pleased with our position in sports. The audience isn't going away at all. It's sliding to different places, consuming in different ways. I would tell you some other leagues that have 30% drop‑offs, they didn't lose 30% of their audience from one moment to the next, that audience is just sliding and consuming in some different ways. Our digital consumption is off the charts.”


Which leagues have fallen 30"? This dude is delusional. The fan base is sliding alright onto other sports.


DanB - 2/19/2017 at 12:29 PM

http://www.sportsmediawatch.com/2016/11/nascar-ratings-chase-cup-finale-hom estead-viewership-down/

Excluding rainouts, Homestead was the first Sprint Cup race since the Brickyard 400 in July to avoid a multi-year low in ratings or viewership — ending a brutal stretch of 11 straight races to hit an all-time or decade-plus low. It was still the 12th straight race to decline from last year and the 11th straight to drop by double-digits.

Overall, of the 29 Sprint Cup races that can be compared to last year, 21 declined in ratings and 22 declined in viewership. That includes 15 that dropped double-digits in one or both measures.


nebish - 2/19/2017 at 02:35 PM

I don't follow much offseason sports news, this change on how the races are going to be run is likely going to try and address the drop in race track attendance and TV viewing.

The whoring themselves to the sponsors is just so annoying.

The Daniel Suarez in the Clash thing was 100% about commitment to sponsors. The kid has talent, but compared to everyone else in that race he's done nothing to deserve to be there. Sponsors totally control the sport.


nebish - 2/19/2017 at 02:54 PM

We are still missing Bill Bench! Sent him a message last night if he is able to join.

Then Tonya, my niece is who won last year, she hasn't signed up yet. I'm happy we have a good number of ABB members in the league. The 3 non ABB members signed up will be at Daytona with me.


Lee - 2/19/2017 at 08:43 PM

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No race! Rain? I had it DVR to watch tonight, will have to DVR tomorrow now.

Turned it on to hear them saying a sponsors name every other word.

If there is one thing I hate about nascar it is all the damn sponsorship and marketing stuff everywhere. Drivers drink (or pretend to drink) from their coke or other energy drink before interviews. The announcers must be contractually bound to state more often than not "Sunoco fuel" instead of just "fuel" or "Goodyear tires" instead of just "tires".

How about the ARCA race...The Lucas Oil Complete Engine Treatment 200 Driven by General Tire. Got to especially hate them squeezing two sponsors into one title.


I am an admitted NASCAR dummy. I looked at the NASCAR site and it says the race is next Sunday. Did it get rained out this weekend? Or was it scheduled for next Sunday?


nebish - 2/19/2017 at 09:10 PM

That was an exciting final lap today!

Had those 3 Joe Gibbs cars in a row 1-2-3 and Brad and Joey were able to come on the outside, Brad sidedrafted the JGR cars perfectly to break them up then Brad and Denny were a two car break away. Joey got a run came up back up behind Brad and pushed him past Denny, but Denny went to block on the inside and just wrecked right into Brad, it was too late to block at that point. But Joey was clear on the outside and with no caution went ahead for the win. 2nd and 3rd was a tight one between Alex Bowman driving Dale Jr's car and Kyle Busch. Danica went from 10th to 4th on the final lap.

Lee, what they do at Daytona for the opening of the season is have some warm up races and lots and lots of practices over a 10 day span.

So last night was supposed to be the first warm up race, just race winners from last season, pole winners or drivers that made the playoff last year were eligible (plus Saurez who is in Carl Edwards car this year because Carl retired on a late announcement). There is another warm up race Thursday, but all the cars will be in that one. Alex Bowman subbed for Jr last season, and Alex won a pole in the 88 so he earned his spot in the race today and Dale wanted him to run it. Dale will be back from here on.

Sunday the 26th is the Daytona 500. Everything leading up to that is the preseason you could say.


heineken515 - 2/20/2017 at 02:04 PM

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Ok, going out on a limb here and predicting Daniel Suarez finishes dead last in The Clash


OK, he finished, what - 8th ? Looked for awhile that he was going to either finish 2nd or win - a tiny preview into my picking prowess, or lack thereof


heineken515 - 2/20/2017 at 04:26 PM

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If you have any questions or need help you can send me a PM or email.


What is the purpose of the "My Bench" drivers ?

I assume once I fill in my 8 drivers, I can still change them using the full list of drivers ? (of course prior to the deadline.)


nebish - 2/20/2017 at 05:02 PM

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If you have any questions or need help you can send me a PM or email.


What is the purpose of the "My Bench" drivers ?

I assume once I fill in my 8 drivers, I can still change them using the full list of drivers ? (of course prior to the deadline.)


Dayton is different since it is the first race of the year you can pick any driver from the full list right up until they lock the lineup after the command to start engines.

Every other race there will be a date called "fantasy deadline" and it will be shown under race info when you are looking at your roster. The fantasy deadline will always be some time before qualifying. So typically it will be Thursday or Friday. Up until that point you can pick any driver you want from the full list for your roster. After that point and up until the race you can only select the drivers you want to start on race day from your roster of 8 drivers.

Let's say you pick a driver who qualifies really well, you likely would want to use them. Or let's say you pick a driver that really missed it in practice and doesn't seem likely to compete well in the race, you will keep them on your bench. Or maybe somebody has to go to a back up car, or changes an engine and forces them to start in the back of the field, then you may not want to start that person.

The idea is to get the strongest combination of 8 drivers in your A, B and C roster spots and then you can pick among those based on how you think they might do on race day.


nebish - 2/22/2017 at 04:09 AM

I leave for Daytona tomorrow. From today's WSJ:

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Nascar, Once a Cultural Icon, Hits the Skids

Stock-car racing’s founding family draws criticism from drivers and team owners as fan interest burns down and sponsors retreat; ‘economics and demographics’

Valerie Bauerlein
Updated Feb. 21, 2017 10:14 a.m. ET
457 COMMENTS

Nascar threw a bash at Kansas Speedway in October to thank Sprint Corp. for being stock-car racing’s top sponsor for 13 years. More than 800 Sprint employees received hot dogs, burgers and seats to a nail-biting race.

One thing was missing: a new sponsor. Despite knowing for two years that Sprint was leaving, Nascar didn’t announce a replacement until December, when it announced that energy-drink maker Monster Beverage Corp. had won naming rights to the top-tier racing circuit.

Monster paid about $20 million, below Nascar’s asking price of $35 million and nowhere close to the original goal of $100 million, according to television and racing-industry executives familiar with the new contract. A Nascar spokesman wouldn’t comment.
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With the first big race of the new season set for Sunday, Nascar’s problems seem to have spun out of control.

About a decade ago, the sport was a cultural icon and inspired the hit car-racing comedy movie “Talladega Nights,” starring Will Ferrell. Since 2005, Nascar’s television viewership is down 45%, according to an analysis of Nielsen ratings by SportsBusiness Daily, a trade publication. That is twice as large as the National Basketball Association’s decline from its peak. National Football League viewership has fallen 8%, Nielsen data show.

Tracks have torn out about a fourth of their seats to look fuller but still have wide stretches of empty bleachers on race days. Nascar’s fan base, largely working-class and white, is getting older over all and was hit harder by the recession than the more-affluent fan bases in other major sports.

“There’s no magic pill for this one,” says Ed Rensi, a former Nascar racing-team owner who was a longtime head of McDonald’s Corp.’s U.S. operations. “It’s about economics and demographics.”

Many people in the sport increasingly blame the France family, which runs Nascar and controls racetrack company International Speedway Corp.

Long adored for turning fender-crunching races between moonshiners into the nation’s richest and most popular form of motor sports, the founding family’s leadership is now being criticized by drivers and team owners, who fear the Frances are incapable of reversing the fade in fan interest and retreat by sponsors.

Nascar’s chief executive is Brian France, and his older sister, Lesa France Kennedy, is CEO of International Speedway.

One of the most daunting problems is how the siblings’ power is divided, which causes tensions and makes it harder to implement far-reaching changes, according to people throughout the industry.

‘The King’ complains

Team owner Richard Petty, who was so dominant as a Nascar driver that he is considered the sport’s Michael Jordan, complained last summer that owners don’t know who is in charge.

A spokesman says Mr. Petty can tell Mr. France is trying hard but wishes he was more visible at races, like Mr. France’s father and grandfather were.

Brian and Lesa say their disagreements don’t hurt the sport. They say their relationship has never been better, adding that they speak almost every day and are optimistic about stock-car racing’s future.

“We have very strong personalities and express our opinion, but when we get together, we say: ‘What’s best for the industry over all?’” says Ms. Kennedy, 55 years old.

Mr. France, 54, says the downturn reflects challenges faced by all sports as fans increasingly consume content on mobile devices and ticket sales are squeezed by growing demands on people’s time.

He says Nascar also has suffered from a dearth of stars. Dale Earnhardt Jr. was sidelined last year by a concussion but plans to return in the season-opening Daytona 500. “Would we like to be the only one in sports with no headwind? Of course,” says Mr. France. “But that’s how it goes.”

Nascar was born in 1947 in a smoky hotel bar in Daytona Beach, Fla. Bill France Sr., the grandfather of Lesa and Brian, was a gas-station owner who took over a ragtag group of race promoters and created a rule-making body to preside over races.

His son, Bill France Jr., catapulted stock-car racing to prominence by cultivating memorable rivalries between drivers like Dale Earnhardt, who was nicknamed the “Intimidator” for his aggressiveness and died in a 2001 crash, and Jeff Gordon, known as the “Rainbow Warrior” because of the colors painted on his car.

Bill Jr.’s love of hot dogs made just about anywhere and Stag’s Leap Wine Cellars’ Artemis Cabernet Sauvignon from Napa, Calif., encapsulated the sport’s rags-to-riches swing.

After Mr. France was diagnosed with cancer in 1999, he divided his 50% ownership stake in Nascar between his two children, Lesa and Brian. Their uncle, Jim, owned the remaining 50% stake, according to three family advisers familiar with the ownership structure. Bill Jr. died in 2007.

While growing up, the siblings were groomed by their father to take over different parts of the family business. Lesa, a Duke University graduate, began selling tickets at Daytona International Speedway as a 12-year-old. Brian left the University of Central Florida in Orlando after a year and was more interested in competition. He rose from painting walls around Daytona to promoting races at a family-owned track in Tucson, Ariz.

They developed different management styles and ideas about how to advance the sport. Ms. Kennedy says she took after her grandmother, a conservative woman known for managing Nascar’s finances during the early years of the sport, which included making sure the bills were paid.

Ms. Kennedy became interested in refashioning tracks to offer fans views of teams working on cars and building luxury suites to attract a wealthier clientele. Roger Penske, a race-team owner, says the typical Nascar fan makes $35,000 to $45,000 a year. Nascar says average household income of fans is $70,000, close to the U.S. average, citing data from Nielsen Scarborough.

Like his father, Bill Jr., Mr. France pushed for ambitious changes, such as consolidating TV rights from racetracks and selling them in season-long packages, which he succeeded in doing in 2001. That has helped Nascar secure more than $13.5 billion in TV revenue through 2024.

Lesa and Brian worked together to expand the sport beyond the South. Mr. France opened Nascar offices in New York and Los Angeles between 1996 and 2000 and tried to make stock-car racing more like the blue-chip NBA and NFL, says Paul Brooks, a former Nascar senior vice president.

International Speedway, led by Ms. Kennedy, built new racetracks in Kansas City, Kan., and Joliet, Ill., near Chicago. Mr. France overhauled Nascar’s schedule and shifted races away from historic tracks like Darlington, S.C., (nicknamed “The Track Too Tough to Tame”) to newer ones.

Some die-hard fans were turned off by the changes. At Texas Motor Speedway in Fort Worth, Sam Cobb, 41, and his wife, Lisa, 48, reminisce about the raucous parties with stripper poles and kegs that used to be held at a campground near the track. These days, the campground gets quiet at about 10 p.m. on the Saturday nights before big races. “They’re strangling the fun out of Nascar,” says Mr. Cobb, who misses counting on race weekend for the “largest concentration of rednecks in sport.”

Mr. France and Ms. Kennedy typically don’t spend holidays together and often communicate through emissaries when wrestling with touchy subjects such as scheduling major races, according to a half dozen current and former Nascar industry executives who have worked closely with the France family.

The siblings won’t disclose their exact ownership stakes in Nascar. Four people familiar with the matter say Mr. France sold his entire stake in the company more than a decade ago. He says he still holds equity in the family-owned company.

Pecking order

As a result, these people say, Mr. France essentially works for his sister and uncle even though he is Nascar’s chief executive. That means he runs the sport on a day-to-day basis but is supposed to seek approval from Ms. Kennedy and their uncle for major changes.

She didn’t know ahead of time that Brian planned to announce in 2015 a ban on flying the Confederate flag at races. The announcement came right before Daytona International Speedway, owned by International Speedway, which she runs, was about to host a race.

The company had to scramble to develop a policy on what to do if fans brought a Confederate flag anyway. They were offered an American flag.

Last year, Mr. France endorsed Donald Trump for president at a political rally after being called onstage by the Republican candidate. One racing-industry executive says Ms. Kennedy found out about the endorsement on the news. She donated to former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush’s presidential campaign.

Ms. Kennedy says she can’t recall how she learned her brother was publicly supporting Mr. Trump, adding that it was Mr. France’s personal choice.

Mr. France says he didn’t plan the endorsement until Mr. Trump urged him to speak, adding it didn’t occur to him that supporting Mr. Trump might estrange some of the Hispanics Nascar is trying to lure as new fans.

“I didn’t calculate it that way,” says Mr. France. “Maybe I should have.” Mr. Trump drew 29% of Hispanic voters on Election Day, according to exit polls.

Three-time Nascar champion Tony Stewart said last year in a radio interview that Mr. France should pay more attention to the sport and attend more races.

Mr. France says he went to roughly half of the race weekends last season. He says Nascar teams, drivers and auto makers are working more closely than ever to improve competition and boost interest in the sport.

Most of the 13 tracks owned by International Speedway rely on hosting two top-tier races a year for the bulk of their ticket revenue. Yet Nascar makes the race schedule, with an emphasis on attracting the most possible TV viewers.

The conflicting agendas were evident in recent discussions with broadcast network NBC, which pays Nascar about $440 million a year. Sixty-five percent of the total is steered to tracks, 25% to teams and 10% to Nascar.

Executives at NBC, part of Comcast Corp.’s NBCUniversal unit, raised the possibility of moving some Nascar races to the middle of the week, says Jon Miller, president of programming at NBC Sports.

That would limit the number of Sunday races that compete with NFL games for viewers, possibly boosting TV ratings but hurting attendance in person. Race fans often travel a long way and attend pre-race events that can go on for several days or longer.

The idea hasn’t been discussed since the fall and isn’t a priority right now, says Mr. Miller.

Nascar did reach a five-year agreement with racetracks that makes it easier for them to plan big spending projects. The downside is even less flexibility for Nascar to dramatically alter its schedule and take races to new places.

Ms. Kennedy says she is doing whatever she can to recapture longtime fans and cultivate new ones at her racetracks. She oversaw a $400 million renovation at Daytona, completed last year, that added escalators and cushioned, leather seats often seen at NFL stadiums. She wants to install Wi-Fi at tracks and add luxury suites or clubs that attract more affluent ticket buyers.

“The next generation is looking for more rapid entertainment, more interactive entertainment,” she says. “They have so many options available that you have to have a compelling story.”

Agreed to changes

In October, the siblings went to NBC Sports headquarters in Stamford, Conn. TV ratings for the Nascar season were headed for another decline. NBC executives pressed Ms. Kennedy and Mr. France to make radical changes.

They agreed to take action. In December, Nascar gathered racing-team executives, drivers, track operators and TV executives at the Wynn Las Vegas hotel. The siblings didn’t attend.

“Everyone loves the same thing, but you have different opinions on how to get there,” says driver Brad Keselowski, who won the Nascar championship in 2012 and has openly criticized the Frances. He compares the Las Vegas meeting to couples counseling. “Everyone has their baggage, and you work through it and try to give it a shot,” he says.

The group and Nascar decided to divide each race this season into three stages, awarding points to the top drivers at the end of each stage. The Daytona 500 will be the first major race under the new rules, and Nascar is working on at least a dozen more potential changes.

Write to Tripp Mickle at Tripp.Mickle@wsj.com and Valerie Bauerlein at valerie.bauerlein@wsj.com





heineken515 - 2/22/2017 at 08:41 PM

Hey man, hope you have fun down in Daytona !

I used to work in downtown Jacksonville, right by I-95 as it crosses the river downtown and my office window looked out at that bridge. Lots of times leading up to Speedweeks, we'd see the haulers heading down.

This from a Forbes article:

Winning the Cup isn’t nearly as lucrative as it used to be. Johnson and his Hendrick Motorsports team earned a $1.9 million Sprint Cup bonus, while the 2015 bonus was $4.7 million for champion Kyle Busch. Blame the new charter system, which has created more parity in the distribution of purses and bonuses.

"The last time I stood on stage, it was 7-and-a-half [million],” said Johnson in November before clinching the title. “It's a huge change." Johnson has his years mixed up as it was $5.2 million in Johnson’s 2013 title year, but it was $7.2 million in 2008 for Johnson title No. 3. A huge change, indeed.


http://www.forbes.com/sites/kurtbadenhausen/2017/02/22/jimmie-johnson-tops- dale-earnhardt-as-nascars-highest-paid-driver/#279b12137724


alanwoods - 2/22/2017 at 09:07 PM

Prediction: The new rules will make a product which already sucks, suck even worse.

I renewed my Bristol tickets, but this may be the last year I do so. It is something my Dad and I do together, but he will be 80 this year and I don't know how much longer he will want to make the hike from where we park.

And the product sucks. Did I mention that?


heineken515 - 2/26/2017 at 11:18 PM

1st impression is I don't like this stage racing.

Hope our buddy Nebish is having a good time down there

Sort of a crash fest


heineken515 - 2/28/2017 at 06:33 PM

Plus my picks sucked.


leafsfan - 2/28/2017 at 11:27 PM

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1st impression is I don't like this stage racing.


Agree, its a great way to slot in 3 minutes of commercials. Why stop a perfectly good race??? All of the accidents after second stage destroyed a great race. Bringing everyone back together in the pack was a disaster.

Let them keep racing at end of stage and move along.


nebish - 3/1/2017 at 04:23 PM

I survived!

It was a blast, made better since one of our friends works for a company involved in nascar events, she requested some garage passes and extra stuff for us to use.

We were at the track every day, all day Thursday-Sunday.

Our seats for Sunday were about 10 rows from the top between turn 4 and pit entrance. These were really good seats, you could see the whole track and there was a jumbotron right in front of us too.

The week was filled with lots of beer, lots of fun and lots of memories!

The stage racing, after seeing all the races do it I don't really mind it. I think one thing that could backfire the hoped for excitement is the pit strategy some of the teams employ within the stages could lead to some difficult racing to follow, like in stage 2 I think it was when there were something like 8 different packs all spread out around the track and you couldn't really tell who the leader was or what position cars were in. Still will have to weigh it out over time.

I'll post some pictures if I get a chance.


nebish - 3/1/2017 at 04:29 PM

I don't like how you lose guaranteed 3-4 laps per segment twice a race, so you lose 6-8 would-be green flag racing laps as you line everyone up for the next stage. Now in the old system you still could've lost those laps to caution as people try to stretch tire wear or something that causes a caution...but if they didn't count the laps between the stages it would seem more honest way to do it. Because they say that stage 1 is 60 laps and stage 2 is 60 laps, but stage 2 is really just 57 or 56 laps and stage 3 wasn't 80, it was actually 76-77 of actual scheduled green flag time once everyone pits and gets lined up. The laps lost will vary per track, essentially I don't think they should be on purpose making the races have less green flag laps.


heineken515 - 3/1/2017 at 04:33 PM

I like leafsfan's idea, go ahead and note the stage finishing order but don't throw the caution.


nebish - 3/2/2017 at 04:03 PM

Yahoo Fantasy Update:

Scoring is the same as last year, yahoo does not award any points for segment winners.

Yahoo awards 10 pts for leading a lap and 10 pts for leading the most laps.

At Daytona Kevin Harvick led 50 laps, the most of any driver so he was awarded 20 pts (10 for leading a lap + 10 for leading the most laps). Anyone else who led a lap was awarded 10 lap pts. Kyle Busch led 9 laps, so he gets 10 pts for that, he also won a segment, but yahoo is not giving any pts for that.

yahoo's official clarification on their scoring:
https://forums.yahoo.net/t5/Other-Sports/Fantasy-Auto-Racing-rule-scoring-c hanges/td-p/198619

Also as posted before in response to heineken515, normally you will have to select your roster for the upcoming race before Friday or Saturday qualifying and a deadline for such is posted on your team page and then yahoo awards qualifying points to those who qualified 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th. For Atlanta it currently says "deadline to select your drivers is Mar 5 2:41pm EST" - which is the same as the deadline for the starting drivers to lock before the race goes green so qualifying points couldn't be awarded. Since Atlanta qualifying is set for Friday Mar 3 5:45 pm normally yahoo would have a roster deadline of Mar 3 3:00 am EST - or something similar.

I believe this to be an uncorrected error on yahoo's end unless they have changed something last year to this year that they have not announced. Either way, try and have your roster selected before qualifying. No matter what happens for this week's Atlanta race, I expect all the races this season to have a roster deadline to be before qualifying.


nebish - 3/2/2017 at 04:07 PM

Couple late adds to the league which is cool. Great to see you leafsfan!!!

Legliz, I'm guessing Phillip and Kat are with you?


LeglizHemp - 3/2/2017 at 06:05 PM

Kat is with me. glad you had a blast at the race. maybe i can do better this week.


heineken515 - 3/3/2017 at 01:12 PM

I invited Phil, he's a coworker, we talk racing.

Man these Yahoo rules are too complex, I'm out.



Just kidding


nebish - 3/3/2017 at 03:02 PM

Yeah...the scoring really isn't too complicated, pretty easy actually. You can pretty much figure out in your head watching a race who is doing well and who is not and what their scores may look like.

Yahoo did correct the roster deadline at some point yesterday. Qualifying should always be on Friday or Saturday, so set your rosters before that time and you should be fine in terms of making sure you have the drivers you want to choose from come race day.

Thanks for letting me know on Phil, it's just good to know who is with who. The more people who stick with it for the full season the better. You know like all fantasy leagues as it wears on people stop playing and you end up with just a handful come the last few weeks. More competition the better.


Sang - 3/3/2017 at 06:18 PM

Well, they fixed it, but making it 4 am meant that I didn't see it and didn't change my roster. Nice of them to not send an email saying it was corrected.....


nebish - 3/4/2017 at 12:42 AM

quote:
Well, they fixed it, but making it 4 am meant that I didn't see it and didn't change my roster. Nice of them to not send an email saying it was corrected.....


It's alright Sang...the cars will just be the same color as the ones you were able to use last week - makes decision making easier right, less nascar thinking required!


Dannyspell - 3/4/2017 at 12:48 AM

Nebish I am glad you enjoyed Daytona. I have always heard it is a super experience at that race...


nebish - 3/4/2017 at 01:10 AM

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Nebish I am glad you enjoyed Daytona. I have always heard it is a super experience at that race...


It was really really really great.

We did have fanzone passes courtesy of our friend for Sunday. Those passes were maybe $80 or $100 in addition to the race ticket I think? Man a sh:t ton of people had those extra passes. We were out on the grass and track for some of the other days, but for Sunday, it looked like 1/3 of the attendees were out there, it was PACKED!

It is cool that NASCAR gives fans the ability to be out near pit road, out on the actual race track before the race...it is access like no other sport. Sometimes you can go out on the field afterwards, but you can take your cooler full of beer and sit right next to the Daytona logo and people watch before the biggest race of the year, yeah, that in it's self is cool.

I signed start/finish line...guess what I wrote:


LeglizHemp - 3/4/2017 at 01:13 AM

Danica U Rock?


nebish - 3/4/2017 at 01:20 AM

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Danica U Rock?


Friday morning I was pretty under the weather...if you know what I mean, so we went out to the midway to see what there was to see and I had to bail and go back to the room and rest up to prepare for the Friday day drinking that was about to begin in earnest.

So they only allow 14x14 soft sided coolers into the track, not the hard sided coolers, like igloo playmates and the like you know...

I've only ever seen soft sided coolers imported by the way. Anyhow, I told my friend to pick me up a soft sided cooler for me to take my beer into the race with.

Now, if it was me buying it, surely I'd be buying a princess or Danica or some other gay or embarrassing cooler for my friend to carry with him. But no, my buddy has my back, got me a regular plain blue cooler. Guess I'm the only dick in the group


LeglizHemp - 3/4/2017 at 01:26 AM

LOLOL


nebish - 3/4/2017 at 01:34 AM



Me in front of what was the most under funded and under manned team of the Xfinity race. 0 Garrett Smithley and yes they were done setting the box up.

By comparison, here is what a typical properly funded team's pit box looks like (Xfinity series)


nebish - 3/4/2017 at 01:48 AM

Here are some other random pictures from my camera, I don't have any others of me at the moment they are on my friend camera.

Wore my Sean Chambers shirt one day, some dude was into it. Told him he is a local Florida band and to check him out! :thumbsup:

https://1drv.ms/f/s!Atz5m1nS4VEzsgNt8HDijTaQiNRx


Jerry - 3/4/2017 at 03:16 AM

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Prediction: The new rules will make a product which already sucks, suck even worse.

I renewed my Bristol tickets, but this may be the last year I do so. It is something my Dad and I do together, but he will be 80 this year and I don't know how much longer he will want to make the hike from where we park.

And the product sucks. Did I mention that?


Yeah. I think the idea was to take the races back to the "Friday Night at the Races" feeling.
You had several heats to figure out who raced better/faster. There was the race between the two closest qualifying cars (10 laps). Then there was the big race.

When a heat was over, the mechanics could work on the cars to fix stuff that got banged up, re-tune engines, gas up, change tires, and whatever else needed doing. I remember one long break where the drivers had to uhhh, get over, the bad chili served on the chili dogs.

This was not done at Daytona. The premise told was 60 laps racing, 60 laps racing, and 80 laps racing. The "cautions" in between should not count as race laps, nor should going into the pits cause you to lose position since as we were told by NASCAR the breakdown of the racing segments.

Nascar needs to go back to their roots, run the cars in the actual size and shape of the vehicle the decals make it out to be, not a cookie cutter same size, same weight, same everything. Run only the engines that are available for that vehicle at the dealership. No custom made block from an aluminum ingot. No 400+ cubic inch V8, unless they want to put out a special edition Toyota, Ford, or Chevy with the engine in it. If the model car they say they represent has front wheel drive, it should be front wheel drive in the race car.

Nascar also needs to get back to sponsoring local racetrack like Lanier International, Wilkesboro, Rockingham, hundreds of small tracks that helped build Nascar, that Nascar now now abandoned.


nebish - 3/4/2017 at 12:44 PM

Agree with alot of that Jerry.

Seems like all major sports just wants parody among their teams and nascar isn't different. They are happy to just have all the cars to be the same, keep sponsors happy and try and market off driver personalities.

If you really did have a certain team, manufacturer really hit it out of the park in a more wide open rules format, that would lead to alot of sponsors not being happy if the cars and drivers they partnered with aren't doing well.

The quest for money and growth seems to ruin alot of things. Racing would be better if people could innovate and out compete each other in the engineering department and in the garage.


nebish - 3/5/2017 at 03:14 PM

Second week in a row Kyle Busch blames his tires for wrecking.

After saying something at the Daytona 500 after crashing to the effect of "it's not my fault I wrecked, not my fault I wrecked the 88, it's not my fault that Goodyear can't make a tire that holds air".

He gave the same excuse for wrecking in the truck race yesterday at Atlanta "Well, without a couple cautions and keeping air in our (expletive) tires, we have a shot there, guys," Busch said on his radio after the race.


Sang - 3/5/2017 at 09:09 PM

A friend of mine that is into NASCAR likes the new format - says the stages make it more exciting in the race - stops some racers from just holding back the entire race trying to avoid crashes and then move up at the end..... he thinks the playoff points will make the races a little more exciting......


nebish - 3/5/2017 at 09:23 PM

quote:
A friend of mine that is into NASCAR likes the new format - says the stages make it more exciting in the race - stops some racers from just holding back the entire race trying to avoid crashes and then move up at the end..... he thinks the playoff points will make the races a little more exciting......


I do think we should give it some time to see how it works out over the course of several races. Something to keep in mind is if we get end of segment racing for the lead like we do at the end of the race. Some races, alot of races end with an uncontested winner - as will alot of segments. But if we get some exciting finishes to some segments like we do at the end of some races that will sway some people I think. I think it has potential to be alright and nascar has never been afraid to tweak or change things up in the offseason if need be so some of the complaints we have currently could be addressed.

I was wondering if the lower downforce package would prohibit Harvick from dominating on the bottom of Atlanta, but he's led probably 98% of the laps so far today and dominating so I guess not.


heineken515 - 3/9/2017 at 04:43 PM

Evidently a new rule regarding lug nuts this year ? Wasn't it just last year that they didn't care if you even put all 5 on ?

This seems pretty extreme for The Dinger:

NASCAR gave the No. 47 Monster Energy NASCAR Cup Series car of JTG Daugherty Racing an L1-level penalty for lug nuts not being properly installed following Sunday's race at Atlanta Motor Speedway.

The violation is detailed in section 10.9.10.4 of the NASCAR Rule Book, and driver AJ Allmendinger's 26th-place finish at Atlanta is encumbered, per section 12.10 of the NASCAR Rule Book.

As a result of the violation, crew chief Randall Burnett was fined $65,000 and suspended from the next three Monster Energy NASCAR Cup Series points races, and the team was assessed with the loss of 35 driver points and 35 owner points.


LeglizHemp - 3/9/2017 at 04:50 PM

seems a little harsh. hate to see what the penalties are for doing something that gives you a real advantage.


nebish - 3/9/2017 at 05:45 PM

When last year began they started to not enforce the lug nut rule because NASCAR thought it would be 'self enforcing' as in, if a team had a loose wheel they'd have to come back in and fix the loose wheel problem.

At some point last season after they realized that some teams were only tigtening 4 or even 3 lugs in order to get off of pit road sooner, NASCAR introduced stiff lug nut penalties. After the race all cars are checked for 5 lugs being tight. I think it was the JGR cars that were routinely not tightening all lugs especially late in the race when a driver could deal with a loose wheel if just a few laps were left.

It was a competitive advantage and other teams and crew chiefs complained about it. Or else they all would've started going it and I think Tony Stewart made public comments about safety concerns which really prompted NASCAR to take action. I can still hear Rodney Childress explaining to Harvick how a Gibbs car beat him off pit road "who knows how many lugs they have tight".


Jerry - 3/10/2017 at 04:33 AM

I remember using the old 4-way lug wrenches in the pits back in the mid 60's. 13 second pit stop-more like 2 minutes.


nebish - 3/13/2017 at 01:27 AM

He's Rowdy!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPjl6g8pcgc


nebish - 3/19/2017 at 07:37 PM

4th race of the year getting ready to go from Phoenix!


heineken515 - 3/22/2017 at 03:06 PM

Question on the yahoo rules:

Does having a driver on your "bench" constitute a 'start' ?

In other words does the number of times you can start a particular driver decrease by having them on your bench or just when you actually have them as a starter ?


Sang - 3/22/2017 at 03:40 PM

Only when you use them as a starter....... and you can get points from your bench in some cases....


anthonyspare - 3/22/2017 at 05:15 PM

I lived on "Nascar Lane" in Hazard, KY when I was like 13. Now if that ain't "Eastern Kentucky" I don't know what is. AND across the highway was "Shucky Bean Holler", eh, Hollow....


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