Thread: Golfer in Chief

jkeller - 2/13/2017 at 11:02 PM

Our new president promised to rarely leave the White House. It seems he has chamged his mind

https://thinkprogress.org/trump-mar-a-lago-travel-winter-white-house-broken -promise-14f6d5d609ef#.gj09fy1f1


And selling access to is club members. Didn't some people here have a problem with that?

[Edited on 2/13/2017 by jkeller]


porkchopbob - 2/13/2017 at 11:44 PM

I live in Delray, just south of W Palm. Basically no one here I know will fly in/out of W Palm on Fridays and Sundays/MondayAM because of the Secret Service barricades all around roads leading to the airport the past few weeks.

But remember, Trump has tremendous stamina. He can walk all 18 holes.


LeglizHemp - 2/14/2017 at 12:58 AM

people should quit worrying about how people who have to make HUGE decisions impacting everyone....find a way to blow off steam or clear their mind......whether now or before.


nebish - 2/14/2017 at 01:01 AM

More Trump causing problems for himself. Somehow he will blame the media probably.

He did say, or I think somebody reported, early on that he may not live in Washington full time. If it does cost $3 million a trip then the club or Trump should reimburse the federal government for atleast some portion of it.

I remember Trump was also very critical of President Obama golfing so much. Like I've said on so much of this he is his own worst enemy.

The concept of the overall story, paying for access - that happens all the time at fundraising events and dinners Presidents attend for their respective political parties. Bill Clinton came to Youngstown for a fund raising dinner in the last year or so and after you paid for the dinner plate entrance fee, you could then pay more money to get your photo taken with him. A past President, not a sitting President and not in the setting of classified national security matters potentially being discussed - yeah, I'm not trying to say that isn't concerning. But just on the grounds of outrage that some people might pay to be close or to gain access to a sitting or former President isn't that unusual. It's unusual it is at a private club that the President repeatedly comes to, but my point is paying for access to a President is common and it happens at D and R fundraisers across the country.

Now disclosing information about who carries the "football" and photographs with that person, completely inexcusable. I am shocked the secret service would allow such a thing.

The link does have one other tidbit of personal interest to me:

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Meanwhile, Trump has canceled a planned trip to Vienna, Ohio. He was scheduled to depart Thursday. The president reportedly was going there to deliver a speech and sign a bill reversing an Obama administration rule meant to keep coal mines from dumping waste in streams.


Vienna Ohio is home to our Air Force Reserve Unit, and also serves as a regional airport large enough for commercial flights. Reportedly it was one of the only small towns near coal country that could handle Air Force One.

So this area, northeast Ohio, the Youngstown area is traditionally very blue collar, union and Democrat. Trumbull county where Vienna is located voted for a nonincumbent Republican President for the first time in 88 years! He only lost neighboring Mahoning County by 4000 votes. Tells you how blue it is here and what it took for people traditionally who vote D flipped to Trump.

So now here comes the sitting President coming back to sign a bill into law, the last time he was here he talked about trade and jobs - all things that Democrats have been talking about here for decades and nothing ever changes. Now here he comes back after championing the blue collar workers that have been left behind in the free trade global econcomy, and has acted in office with respect to trade and jobs every bit that he did as a candidate - wanting to enact changes and legislation to benefit this area and here is how the Democratic Party here responds:

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Mahoning County Democrats
9 hrs ·

As you've probably heard by now, the Liar-in-Chief will invade the Valley on Thursday.

We need to greet him appropriately when he arrives.

To make sure we give him the welcome he so richly deserves, we're conducting a planning session tonight at 7:00 P.M. in the Canfield Library which is located at 43 W. Main Street in Canfield. You're invited to join us and contribute thoughts and ideas that will help us make Trump's visit an experience he'll never forget--or want to repeat.
https://www.facebook.com/mahoningdems/



Are these people Americans first, or Democrats first?

They don't want a sitting President who may finally do this area some good in terms of Washington legislation and change, and the Democrats want him to never come back. Talk about putting party ahead of country, or even your own hometown!


LeglizHemp - 2/14/2017 at 02:20 AM

so far....i don't think congress has passed a bill for president trump to sign....that will be when we have more time to have opinions.....so far its been executive orders......which the right hated....even though were less than past presidents.......strange times in 1st 3-4 weeks


2112 - 2/14/2017 at 02:47 AM

As far as I'm concerned, the more time Trump spends on the golf course the better. I hope he golf's every day and never spends another minute in Washington.


nebish - 2/14/2017 at 03:04 AM

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so far....i don't think congress has passed a bill for president trump to sign....that will be when we have more time to have opinions.....so far its been executive orders......which the right hated....even though were less than past presidents.......strange times in 1st 3-4 weeks


This is the one

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On Feb. 1, the House passed the bill 228-194 to overturn the Obama-era rule designed to reduce water pollution. On Feb. 2, the Senate 54-45 vote to pass similar legislation, making it the first of a number of coal rules expected to be ended in the current Congress, Reuters reported.
http://wvrecord.com/stories/511079183-trump-expected-to-sign-resolution-to- end-coal-rule-mckinley-s-office-says


Bhawk - 2/14/2017 at 08:40 PM

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The president reportedly was going there to deliver a speech and sign a bill reversing an Obama administration rule meant to keep coal mines from dumping waste in streams.


How dare anyone take issue with this. Pollution is awesome.


2112 - 2/14/2017 at 11:16 PM

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The president reportedly was going there to deliver a speech and sign a bill reversing an Obama administration rule meant to keep coal mines from dumping waste in streams.


How dare anyone take issue with this. Pollution is awesome.


If Obama signed it, it must be bad. Thank God now I can do my midnight dumping of toxic chemicals during the day.


Chain - 2/15/2017 at 12:11 AM

Perhaps the worst part of Trump's negating the Obama administrations regulation (sorry to use such a vile and disgusting word) of the coal industry is that it's purely for the camera as the coal industry is doomed and there isn't much Chump can do about it other than pose for photo-ops.

I truly feel bad for the thousands of dislocated coal miners who have been displaced by automated strip mining and the natural gas shale boom. The best thing Trump and Congress could do rather than engage in useless rhetoric and meaningless photo-ops is to properly fund federal legislation such as the Workforce Investment Act to retrain these dislocated workers.

Instead Chump continues to pretend he can actually revive a long dying industry... As does Mitch McConnell and other carbon warriors in Congress...


jkeller - 2/15/2017 at 12:26 AM

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The president reportedly was going there to deliver a speech and sign a bill reversing an Obama administration rule meant to keep coal mines from dumping waste in streams.


How dare anyone take issue with this. Pollution is awesome.


If Obama signed it, it must be bad. Thank God now I can do my midnight dumping of toxic chemicals during the day.


Yeah, it's not like people fish in those rivers or get their water from them.


nebish - 2/15/2017 at 04:05 AM

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The president reportedly was going there to deliver a speech and sign a bill reversing an Obama administration rule meant to keep coal mines from dumping waste in streams.
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How dare anyone take issue with this. Pollution is awesome.



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If Obama signed it, it must be bad. Thank God now I can do my midnight dumping of toxic chemicals during the day.


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Perhaps the worst part of Trump's negating the Obama administrations regulation (sorry to use such a vile and disgusting word) of the coal industry is that it's purely for the camera as the coal industry is doomed and there isn't much Chump can do about it other than pose for photo-ops.

I truly feel bad for the thousands of dislocated coal miners who have been displaced by automated strip mining and the natural gas shale boom. The best thing Trump and Congress could do rather than engage in useless rhetoric and meaningless photo-ops is to properly fund federal legislation such as the Workforce Investment Act to retrain these dislocated workers.

Instead Chump continues to pretend he can actually revive a long dying industry... As does Mitch McConnell and other carbon warriors in Congress...



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Yeah, it's not like people fish in those rivers or get their water from them.


Well you all don’t enjoy just coming here and agreeing with one another do you? At least I hope appreciate measured responses compared to post-and-run or name calling posts from others.

Bottom line from a snopes story:

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...this joint resolution does not in itself legalize anything; rather, it invalidates an update to the 1983 law, leaving plenty of wiggle room for interpretations friendlier to the mining industry.
http://www.snopes.com/2017/02/06/dump-coal-waste-into-streams/



I don’t know where everyone else lives, but in my area, coal still makes up 30% of what we need to turn the lights on. 2 years ago it was double.
2016 - https://www.firstenergycorp.com/content/dam/customer/get-help/files/brochur es/environmental%20disclosures/Ohio/ohio-q-env-disclosures.pdf
2014 - https://www.firstenergycorp.com/content/dam/customer/billinserts/6531-OhioE nvironmentalDisclosure1214.pdf

Growth in nuclear has played a role in my area. Sometimes older coal fired plants just reach the end of their useful life cycle. And yes, chain, the natural gas shale boom has had a large impact as well, but I don’t suspect you are all that happy about that are you? The fracking and injection well issue? Overall, I like the situation with respect we trade off of some of the oldest and dirtiest coal plants with natural gas to pick up the slack...I’m just glad we had the fracking boom or else I don’t know where we’d be in terms of electricity generation. Perhaps you find some of this trade off and compromise as a good one too, a realistic solution for now even though not ideal in the eyes of those who favor renewables over fossil fuel.

I do think it is disingenuous to not say regulations are a factor, not that I’m making a case they are the only or even largest factor, but they are a noteworthy contributing factor none-the-less. I know that some of the ‘left’ have tried to tell the story that all this retirement is happening and will continue to happen with or without any of this regulation. That isn’t true. And I’m not talking about the Clean Power Plan which doesn’t hit until 2030, I’m talking about regulations that have already gone into effect years ago. Such as:

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Planned coal-fired power plant retirements continue to increase
March 2014
The need to comply with the Environmental Protection Agency's (EPA) Mercury and Air Toxics Standards (MATS) regulations together with weak electricity demand growth and continued competition from generators fueled by natural gas have recently led several power producers to announce plans to retire coal-fired facilities.

Between 2012 and 2020, about 60 gigawatts of coal-fired capacity is projected to retire in the AEO2014 Reference case, which assumes implementation of the MATS standards, as well as other existing laws and regulations. The recently announced 5.4 gigawatts of retirements reflect particular strategies of coal plant operators and provide a view of some key drivers in coal plant retirement decisions.

Tennessee Valley Authority. On November 14, 2013, the Tennessee Valley Authority (TVA) announced that it was retiring eight coal-fired units with nearly 3,000 megawatts (MW) of generating capacity. Two units at TVA's Paradise Fossil Plant (1,230 MW), Unit 8 at the Widows Creek Fossil Plant (465 MW), and all five units at its Colbert Fossil Plant (1,184 MW) are now slated for retirement. The current retirement plans are an addition to TVA's previously reported retirement plans announced in 2011. TVA officials gave no fixed dates for the planned retirements, but they stated that the units will not operate beyond the MATS implementation date (April 2015).

South Carolina Electric & Gas. South Carolina Electric & Gas (SCEG) announced that it had ceased operations at its Canadys Station generating facility earlier in November. The 295-MW plant's closing is part of SCEG's efforts to reduce emissions and to comply with MATS regulations that are scheduled to take effect in 2015. SCEG originally planned to convert the units to natural gas before retiring them in 2018.

Consumers Energy. Consumers Energy (CE) petitioned the Michigan Public Service Commission (MPSC) to approve a bond issue to cover costs pertaining to the closure, decommissioning, and demolition of three coal-fired power plants. The facilities, Units 4 and 5 of the B.C. Cobb Plant (312 MW), Units 7 and 8 of the J.C. Weadock Plant (310 MW), and Units 1, 2, and 3 of the J.R. Whiting Plant (325 MW), would cease operations by April 2016. CE stated that the units would be shut down because the installation of additional emissions controls necessary to achieve compliance with EPA environmental regulations would be uneconomical. It was announced on December 3, 2013, that MPSC had approved the bond issue.

Energy Capital Partners. New Jersey-based Energy Capital Partners (ECP) filed paperwork with the Independent System Operator of New England (ISONE) to close the Brayton Point generating facility in 2017 after it failed to reach a deal on a new power-purchase agreement. Brayton Point currently has agreements with ISONE through May 30, 2016. ISONE voted to reject the retirement of the coal-fired units on December 19, 2013, after which the company stated it would go forward with plans to retire all units. Three of the four Brayton Point generating units, totaling about 1,084 MW, are coal-fired; the remaining 435 MW of generator capacity are powered by oil or natural gas. ECP had just recently finalized the purchase of the 1,520-MW facility from Dominion Resources in September 2013.

Georgia Power. Georgia Power (GP) announced that it planned to file a request with the Georgia Public Service Commission (GPSC) to decertify Unit 3 at its Mitchell generating facility. If approved by the GPSC, GP plans to retire the 155-MW unit before the end of April 2015. GP had proposed to convert the unit to use biomass, but the conversion was determined not to be cost effective.

http://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=15491




Note, I’m purposely not pushing an energy industry propaganda, EIA is a government site reporting this information.

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Coal made up more than 80% of retired electricity generating capacity in 2015
March 2016

Coal's share of electricity generation has been falling, largely because of competition with natural gas. Environmental regulations affecting power plants have also played a role. About 30% of the coal capacity that retired in 2015 occurred in April, which is when the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency's Mercury and Air Toxics Standards (MATS) rule went into effect. Some coal plants applied for and received one-year extensions, meaning that many of the coal retirements expected in 2016 will likely also occur in April. Several plants have received additional one-year extensions beyond April 2016 based on their role in ensuring regional system reliability.
http://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=25272



Further, some of the growth in natural gas use in electricity production isn’t just because of the “boom” and the supply and price advantage, earlier on in the current retirement cycle producers were seeking a cleaner fuel for the coal plants that were eventually planned to retire. What I’m saying is that part of the need or demand for natural gas to offset coal really was present before the boom and again, I’m happy we had a cost effective source available, it was great timing. Even though this natural gas boom comes with it’s own liabilities.

You get the good with the bad on all of it. All these energy sources we rely upon have benefit and detriment problem. Coal, above ground mining disturbs the ground and landscape with potential for pollution during the mining process – and it is dirty to burn (by the way they do still mine underground a good bit as well). Natural gas, with the expansion of fracking, we have an abundance of new gas (and oil) sources, but that is countered by earthquakes and drinking water concerns and general pollution concerns – cleaner to burn, but still not clean enough for many. Nuclear produces waste which the US still has no long term storage or disposal policy for and then there is the danger of a reactor accidents.

I have no problem with green and renewable sources (although I want as much of the panels, turbines, blades, components in general made in the US) - wind, solar, biomass, wave and tidal. I love seeing windmills. I would certainly rather have that in my neighborhood than a cooling tower or smoke stack. A field of solar panels are pretty damn cool.

But renewable energy, in my area, only generates 3-4%. I’m for an all of the above strategy. I like renewable because of the economic and job potential, plus who doesn’t like cleaner energy if you can get it? By the way, why isn’t hydro power considered green or renewable? The “dirty” fact is that the problematic non-rewable fossil and nuclear fuels still by far pull the weight.

Here are some numbers on coal fired power plant closures for what it’s worth:

2016-78, 2015-88, 2014-47, 2013-50, 2012-58, 2011-29, 2010-22, 2008-5, 2007-3, 2006-3, 2002-7, 1995-3, 1986-2
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Coal_plant_retirements#Table_2:_Coal_p lant_retirements_and_conversions_through_2016

I know you could post links and stories reinforcing the point that regulations are not driving the decline in the coal industry, I’ve read some of them. I’m not saying it is the only thing going on. Here is a link, which includes some data and charts from the EIA on the effect the Clean Power Plan could have on coal.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/judeclemente/2016/11/28/natural-gas-prices-and- coal-under-the-clean-power-plan/#340bfdfc6c5f

So, in light of examples contained in the Forbes story - to imply that Trump or regulations can't have an impact that isn't true. CPP is a regulation that could play a large role if those examples are to be believed.

And now we have an indepth presentation on coal in a golfer thread!


2112 - 3/18/2017 at 01:35 AM

Just wondering where all the outrage is from the Republicans. They loved criticizing Obama for how much golf he played. Over Obama's 8 years he played an average of 38 rounds of golf a year. Trump has played 9 rounds in his first 7 weeks. Why aren't the Republicans outraged? And Trump criticised Obama for all the golfing - hmmm, seeing a double standard here.


nebish - 3/18/2017 at 05:28 AM

I don't care about the golf necessarily, but I do care about the travel and security expenses this President is racking up.


MartinD28 - 3/18/2017 at 01:40 PM

What we're paying for his travel & security, as well as security for his NY residence / business, as well as for his kids to do private business & party around the world is astounding.

Just a small % of those funds could pay a considerable amount for Meals On Wheels, cleaning up the Chesapeake Bay and other environmental issues, insurance for those who need assistance, etc. But in the Trump budget those items are not high priority items.

Now this is a critical item & worthy of taxpayer funding.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/eric-trump-business-trip-u ruguay-taxpayers-cost-business-interests-president-donald-trump-a7562456.ht ml


nebish - 3/18/2017 at 02:54 PM

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What we're paying for his travel & security, as well as security for his NY residence / business, as well as for his kids to do private business & party around the world is astounding.

Just a small % of those funds could pay a considerable amount for Meals On Wheels, cleaning up the Chesapeake Bay and other environmental issues, insurance for those who need assistance, etc. But in the Trump budget those items are not high priority items.

Now this is a critical item & worthy of taxpayer funding.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/eric-trump-business-trip-u ruguay-taxpayers-cost-business-interests-president-donald-trump-a7562456.ht ml


It seems that widespread criticism of the travel and security expenses have been lost in reporting of other numerous controversies. I personally think that the sum of these costs is something that should rank very high by both opponents and supporters questioning the President...I mean assuming we have 4 years of President Trump these costs are just going to be staggering. What was reported before, maybe this thread or elsewhere, that one year of Trump costs could be as much or more than four years of Obama. I'll say it again, the family of the President deserves protection, but there must be a way for the Trump organization to reimburse federal coffers for when the children travel on Trump business matters. And I can't believe Trump isn't aware of the cost his frequent weekend trips are costing in light of his criticism for Obama vacation expenses. Think of the good will he could get by coming out and saying he was going to somehow pay back some of the security costs? But he won't do that. It will just remain another cloud that hangs over him, one that up to this point remains under reported.


porkchopbob - 3/18/2017 at 03:09 PM

Agreed, nebish, cutting "costs", which also means services and jobs, is hollow when the one making the cuts is burning through just as much public cash for his own R&R. The local news here in South Florida has a traffic report of sorts every weekend he comes to West Palm. I was going to head up there this weekend to hit a vintage guitar shop, but scrapped those plans once I heard he was in town. Other than one guy I talked to who likes watching the varied air traffic when he's at his resort (which is bound to wear out its novelty), I know I'm not the only one who avoids the area on those weekends.


MartinD28 - 3/18/2017 at 05:19 PM

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Agreed, nebish, cutting "costs", which also means services and jobs, is hollow when the one making the cuts is burning through just as much public cash for his own R&R. The local news here in South Florida has a traffic report of sorts every weekend he comes to West Palm. I was going to head up there this weekend to hit a vintage guitar shop, but scrapped those plans once I heard he was in town. Other than one guy I talked to who likes watching the varied air traffic when he's at his resort (which is bound to wear out its novelty), I know I'm not the only one who avoids the area on those weekends.


It would be interesting to see if there are any stats on cost benefit to your area based upon the Traveler In Chief.

I did see a stat on CNN that travel into the USA is down about 6.5% since his rhetoric. Just goes to show he's good for business. I realize the stat comes from Trump's favorite fake news target & also would be more credible if it came from his favorite channel, FOX.

http://money.cnn.com/2017/03/10/news/companies/travel-ban-tourism/



PhotoRon286 - 3/19/2017 at 05:36 PM

His trips are also crippling businesses in Palm Beach.

Not to mention the huge cost to the county for police overtime.


MartinD28 - 3/19/2017 at 07:41 PM

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His trips are also crippling businesses in Palm Beach.

Not to mention the huge cost to the county for police overtime.


For himself, for his family, and to advance his businesses, he believes in "use other peoples' money". Let me add that he's doing a great job of taking advantage of this. He will break all records in no time at all.


PhotoRon286 - 3/20/2017 at 10:44 PM

Let's not forget that when the Secret Service needs rooms at his little club the US government is PAYING trump's business for the rooms.

trump is personally profiting from his vacations.

Same goes for "protecting" the first (illegal immigrant) "lady".

[Edited on 3/20/2017 by PhotoRon286]


nebish - 3/21/2017 at 01:41 PM

I don't catch the Spicer press conferences every day, but did hear a few minutes of it yesterday. He got some questions on the golf and the travel costs. Not surprisingly he deflected "all Presidents travel". Nonissue for him and the White House. It is a nonissue. The press needs to continue to inquire and keep a tally of the costs and hang it over the President's head.

Maybe I can find the transcript.


nebish - 3/21/2017 at 01:49 PM

On golfing, unfortunately a soft followup on it:

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Hunter.

Q Thanks, Sean. On a slightly different topic: In his first eight weeks in office, President Trump has made at least 10 trips to the golf course. He regularly used to criticize President Obama for spending time on the course. How is his golf game any different?

MR. SPICER: Well, I think two things. One is, you saw him utilize this as an opportunity with Prime Minister Abe to help foster deeper relationships in Southeast Asia -- in Asia, rather -- and have a growing relationship that's going to help U.S. interests. How you use the game of golf is something that he has talked about.

Secondly, we went down to -- he had a mini Cabinet meeting the other day down -- or two weekends ago, down at his club in Virginia. And I remember so many people jumping to the conclusion that he’s going down and playing golf. Just because you go somewhere doesn’t necessarily mean that you did that. So on a couple of occasions, he’s actually conducted meetings there, he's actually had phone calls. So just because he heads there doesn’t mean that that's what's happening.

Q I know he did meet with Prime Minister Abe on the course, but we're not getting a lot of details on other high-level meetings that are taking place. If he is having these productive meetings on the course, why isn’t the President and his aides being a little more forthcoming about what he's doing?

MR. SPICER: It's the same reason that he can have dinner or lunch with somebody and not -- because I think the President is entitled to a bit of privacy at some point, which is what we've always agreed to. We bring the protective pool to be there, but the President is also entitled to a bit of privacy as well.


Travel expenses:

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Q Given the talk last week about the budget, the priorities for the American tax dollars, the need to cut programs like -- or make cuts to programs like Meals on Wheels, is the President going to consider curbing some of his trips to Mar-a-Lago that the GAO estimates could cost $3 million for the President to Palm Beach? Is he planning to cut those back at all given his feelings about the priorities for the Americans' tax dollars?

MR. SPICER: I think that is a vast reach to suggest -- I mean, Presidents always travel. And I think the President, wherever he goes, he carries the apparatus of the White House with us. That is just something that happens. The President will continue to go and travel around the country and have meetings to solve the nation's problems.

And again, I think just -- because I know you took a little bit of a shot there, I think even The Washington Post, which is no friend to conservatives, even they sided with us that these false sort of narratives on Meals on Wheels -- it’s not a federal program. Three percent of their total budget comes from a block grant that’s passed through there. It’s a state-run program. They had apparently a phenomenal weekend this week.

I get that that’s a cute program to point at, but it's false and misleading to try to make that narrative stick.

Q So to your point that all Presidents travel, no President has traveled so often and so early to their own private residence.

MR. SPICER: President Bush went to Crawford.

Q Not this often and --

MR. SPICER: I get it, I get it. But at the same time, the President is -- very clearly that he’s worked seven days a week. This is where he goes to see his family. He brings people down there. This is part of being President.


PhotoRon286 - 3/21/2017 at 05:10 PM

How about the cost of 100 Secret Service agents to guard the trump "childrens'" ski outing last weekend???


2112 - 3/21/2017 at 08:03 PM

Still waiting for those critical of Obama's golfing to come on and criticize Trump for all his travel. I remember we had quite a few posters do that. Where is alloak anyway?


MartinD28 - 3/22/2017 at 12:22 AM

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Still waiting for those critical of Obama's golfing to come on and criticize Trump for all his travel. I remember we had quite a few posters do that. Where is alloak anyway?


Still partying at Goob's lake house & celebrating the Russia / USA connection.


nebish - 3/22/2017 at 03:22 AM

I miss alloak, he was here so much and then all of a sudden poof and gone.

You know who knows what happens to so many people here. I guess you have facebook if people do that kind of thing. And I'm sure certain people here stay in touch other ways. But it is like you kind of have this community thing and then somebody just disappears and you never know what may have happened to them.

Didn't he just move into a new home or enter into a new relationship? I hope he is doing well.


alloak41 - 3/23/2017 at 02:21 AM

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I miss alloak, he was here so much and then all of a sudden poof and gone.

You know who knows what happens to so many people here. I guess you have facebook if people do that kind of thing. And I'm sure certain people here stay in touch other ways. But it is like you kind of have this community thing and then somebody just disappears and you never know what may have happened to them.

Didn't he just move into a new home or enter into a new relationship? I hope he is doing well.


I appreciate the kind words, Scott. You are correct on both. Whole new life now and it's been quite an adventure so far to say the least. Still looking in from time to time, but doing more reading than posting these days.

Again, thank you.


2112 - 3/23/2017 at 03:51 AM

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I miss alloak, he was here so much and then all of a sudden poof and gone.

You know who knows what happens to so many people here. I guess you have facebook if people do that kind of thing. And I'm sure certain people here stay in touch other ways. But it is like you kind of have this community thing and then somebody just disappears and you never know what may have happened to them.

Didn't he just move into a new home or enter into a new relationship? I hope he is doing well.


I appreciate the kind words, Scott. You are correct on both. Whole new life now and it's been quite an adventure so far to say the least. Still looking in from time to time, but doing more reading than posting these days.

Again, thank you.



Interesting, alloak was here and had no criticism of Trump and all his golfing a travel expenses, even though he frequently criticized Obama for all his golfing. Who would have thought? He probably just forgot.


BoytonBrother - 3/23/2017 at 09:30 PM

Alloak is happy now that Trump is making America great again. Funny that he allowed a President to cause him to have daily meltdowns for 8 years. You think a conservative would have had thicker skin. I guess there are snowflakes on both sides of the aisle. I'm glad him and his comrades are happy and in power.


BoytonBrother - 3/26/2017 at 06:02 AM

Alloak, care to explain your new ephiphany? What made you change from your daily meltdowns to a new found peace? I can't be the only one to be curious.


PhotoRon286 - 3/26/2017 at 03:10 PM

Mouth full of crow?


pops42 - 3/26/2017 at 05:09 PM

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Mouth full of crow?


nebish - 3/28/2017 at 02:35 AM

I'd be flattered if 4 members in a row posted wanting my opinion on something.

Life changes, people aren't as involved here as they were before. Maybe they've found something more fun!

Hopefully alloak will find some time to join us again - appears alot of you are waiting for his return!


alloak41 - 4/2/2017 at 03:00 PM

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I'd be flattered if 4 members in a row posted wanting my opinion on something.


Sad individuals. I hope they find the key to happiness at some point.


Muleman1994 - 4/2/2017 at 03:19 PM

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I'd be flattered if 4 members in a row posted wanting my opinion on something.


Sad individuals. I hope they find the key to happiness at some point.

___________________________________________________________________________ _____

If you were to express your opinion no one from the left will offer a response other then to attack you.
A discussion require a minimum of two parties.

But do share your thoughts as often as you wish.
Some balance around here would be refreshing.


Dan - 4/2/2017 at 03:55 PM

I'm counting the days til impeachment proceedings start. Treason will be the charge.


Muleman1994 - 4/2/2017 at 07:04 PM

quote:
I'm counting the days til impeachment proceedings start. Treason will be the charge.

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That would be a neat trick.

Only the House of Representatives could bring such a phony charge and that ain't gonna happen.
Of course you have to actually commit treason to be convicted of treason and President Trump has not.

Just because you can't handle the results of the election does not merit such a charge.

Nice try though. Your post sounds remarkably like that of the corrupt liberal media. Nothing there.


Muleman1994 - 4/2/2017 at 07:07 PM

Obama played a total of 333 rounds of golf while President. That means Obama played golf for 1,665 hours of his presidency.


Bhawk - 4/2/2017 at 07:20 PM

quote:
quote:
I'd be flattered if 4 members in a row posted wanting my opinion on something.


Sad individuals. I hope they find the key to happiness at some point.


Pat, I certainly can't speak for anyone else, but, for me, just knowing that there are morally superior and infallible people such as yourself and some guy named "Muleman1994" that wisely sit in judgement over all of us deranged, low-info liberals already provides me with a great sense of happiness and warmth. It's extremely comforting to know that there's something bigger and better than yourself.


2112 - 4/2/2017 at 08:25 PM

quote:
Obama played a total of 333 rounds of golf while President. That means Obama played golf for 1,665 hours of his presidency.



So, if you think that is a lot of golf, are you going to criticise Trump for all his golfing? Trump is on pace to almost double that. Or is the amount of golf a president allowed to play without criticism tied to whether the president is a Democrat or Republican?

Much like all the criticism Obama had with his executive orders. When Obama was issuing them he was a dictator. With Trump issuing them at a faster pace, the Republican mouthpieces use the term bold leadership.

When Obama took a vacation, it was a waste of taxpayers money. When Trump spends taxpayers money at a much faster pace on his trips every weekend to Florida, crickets.

Personally I don't care how much either Obama or Trump plays. I just wish we had the same rules for presidents of either party. I'm sick of all the phony outrage, especially from the right wing media. I don't think anyone on the left would care how much golf Trump plays if Trump himself didn't criticise Obama for his golfing and say he would never do that, just to outdo that. But here we have nothing but silence from out right wind posters. Right here we have Muleman still criticising Obama for golfing, but he doesn't have the math skills to figure out that Trump is spending more time on the golf course than Obama did. Or more likely he does know, but doesn't care because it doesn't matter when his guy is doing it.


Muleman1994 - 4/3/2017 at 01:07 AM

quote:
quote:
Obama played a total of 333 rounds of golf while President. That means Obama played golf for 1,665 hours of his presidency.



So, if you think that is a lot of golf, are you going to criticise Trump for all his golfing? Trump is on pace to almost double that. Or is the amount of golf a president allowed to play without criticism tied to whether the president is a Democrat or Republican?

Much like all the criticism Obama had with his executive orders. When Obama was issuing them he was a dictator. With Trump issuing them at a faster pace, the Republican mouthpieces use the term bold leadership.

When Obama took a vacation, it was a waste of taxpayers money. When Trump spends taxpayers money at a much faster pace on his trips every weekend to Florida, crickets.

Personally I don't care how much either Obama or Trump plays. I just wish we had the same rules for presidents of either party. I'm sick of all the phony outrage, especially from the right wing media. I don't think anyone on the left would care how much golf Trump plays if Trump himself didn't criticise Obama for his golfing and say he would never do that, just to outdo that. But here we have nothing but silence from out right wind posters. Right here we have Muleman still criticising Obama for golfing, but he doesn't have the math skills to figure out that Trump is spending more time on the golf course than Obama did. Or more likely he does know, but doesn't care because it doesn't matter when his guy is doing it.

___________________________________________________________________________ ____

On Golfing:"Trump is on pace to almost double that"
"Trump spends taxpayers money at a much faster pace on his trips "

- Two lies right off the bat.

"criticising Obama for golfing"

- I did not criticize Obama in my post, I simply pointed out that Obama spent 333 rounds of golf while President.

- again you lied.

You are the perfect far left-wing loon. All lies and no facts.

Do keep trying son.



porkchopbob - 4/3/2017 at 03:29 AM

quote:
You are the perfect far left-wing loon. All lies and no facts.

Do keep trying son.


Good to see Mule is ok. I missed those 3 things he says.


2112 - 4/3/2017 at 03:35 AM

quote:
quote:
quote:
Obama played a total of 333 rounds of golf while President. That means Obama played golf for 1,665 hours of his presidency.



So, if you think that is a lot of golf, are you going to criticise Trump for all his golfing? Trump is on pace to almost double that. Or is the amount of golf a president allowed to play without criticism tied to whether the president is a Democrat or Republican?

Much like all the criticism Obama had with his executive orders. When Obama was issuing them he was a dictator. With Trump issuing them at a faster pace, the Republican mouthpieces use the term bold leadership.

When Obama took a vacation, it was a waste of taxpayers money. When Trump spends taxpayers money at a much faster pace on his trips every weekend to Florida, crickets.

Personally I don't care how much either Obama or Trump plays. I just wish we had the same rules for presidents of either party. I'm sick of all the phony outrage, especially from the right wing media. I don't think anyone on the left would care how much golf Trump plays if Trump himself didn't criticise Obama for his golfing and say he would never do that, just to outdo that. But here we have nothing but silence from out right wind posters. Right here we have Muleman still criticising Obama for golfing, but he doesn't have the math skills to figure out that Trump is spending more time on the golf course than Obama did. Or more likely he does know, but doesn't care because it doesn't matter when his guy is doing it.

___________________________________________________________________________ ____

On Golfing:"Trump is on pace to almost double that"
"Trump spends taxpayers money at a much faster pace on his trips "

- Two lies right off the bat.

"criticising Obama for golfing"

- I did not criticize Obama in my post, I simply pointed out that Obama spent 333 rounds of golf while President.

- again you lied.

You are the perfect far left-wing loon. All lies and no facts.

Do keep trying son.



Let's do some math so simple that even a Mule can understand.

333 ÷8 years ÷ 52 weeks/year = 0.8 trips to the golf course per week for Obama

14 rounds ÷ 10 weeks = 1.4 rounds per week for Trump

Don't let those facts hit you on the ass going out the door Mule.


Muleman1994 - 4/3/2017 at 06:01 PM

quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
Obama played a total of 333 rounds of golf while President. That means Obama played golf for 1,665 hours of his presidency.



So, if you think that is a lot of golf, are you going to criticise Trump for all his golfing? Trump is on pace to almost double that. Or is the amount of golf a president allowed to play without criticism tied to whether the president is a Democrat or Republican?

Much like all the criticism Obama had with his executive orders. When Obama was issuing them he was a dictator. With Trump issuing them at a faster pace, the Republican mouthpieces use the term bold leadership.

When Obama took a vacation, it was a waste of taxpayers money. When Trump spends taxpayers money at a much faster pace on his trips every weekend to Florida, crickets.

Personally I don't care how much either Obama or Trump plays. I just wish we had the same rules for presidents of either party. I'm sick of all the phony outrage, especially from the right wing media. I don't think anyone on the left would care how much golf Trump plays if Trump himself didn't criticise Obama for his golfing and say he would never do that, just to outdo that. But here we have nothing but silence from out right wind posters. Right here we have Muleman still criticising Obama for golfing, but he doesn't have the math skills to figure out that Trump is spending more time on the golf course than Obama did. Or more likely he does know, but doesn't care because it doesn't matter when his guy is doing it.

___________________________________________________________________________ ____

On Golfing:"Trump is on pace to almost double that"
"Trump spends taxpayers money at a much faster pace on his trips "

- Two lies right off the bat.

"criticising Obama for golfing"

- I did not criticize Obama in my post, I simply pointed out that Obama spent 333 rounds of golf while President.

- again you lied.

You are the perfect far left-wing loon. All lies and no facts.

Do keep trying son.



Let's do some math so simple that even a Mule can understand.

333 ÷8 years ÷ 52 weeks/year = 0.8 trips to the golf course per week for Obama

14 rounds ÷ 10 weeks = 1.4 rounds per week for Trump

Don't let those facts hit you on the ass going out the door Mule.

___________________________________________________________________________ ___

Your "14 rounds ÷ 10 weeks = 1.4 rounds per week for Trump" is a lie.

Try factual data son.


Muleman1994 - 4/3/2017 at 06:04 PM

It is no wonder The Democrats only want to talk about the phony Putin/Trump "conspiracy".
Obama administration caught illegally exposing Gen. Flynn and other Americans:

Top Obama Adviser Sought Names of Trump Associates in Intel
April 3, 2017 10:13 AM EDT
By Eli Lake

White House lawyers last month learned that the former national security adviser Susan Rice requested the identities of U.S. persons in raw intelligence reports on dozens of occasions that connect to the Donald Trump transition and campaign, according to U.S. officials familiar with the matter.

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-04-03/top-obama-adviser-sought -names-of-trump-associates-in-intel


Muleman1994 - 4/3/2017 at 06:29 PM

Susan Rice requested to unmask names of Trump transition officials, sources say

By Adam Housley - Published April 03, 2017 - FoxNews.com

Sources: Trump, associates surveilled for up to year

Multiple sources tell Fox News that Susan Rice, former national security adviser under then-President Barack Obama, requested to unmask the names of Trump transition officials caught up in surveillance.

The unmasked names, of people associated with Donald Trump, were then sent to all those at the National Security Council, some at the Defense Department, then-Director of National Intelligence James Clapper and then-CIA Director John Brennan – essentially, the officials at the top, including former Rice deputy Ben Rhodes.

The names were part of incidental electronic surveillance of candidate and President-elect Trump and people close to him, including family members, for up to a year before he took office.

When names of Americans are incidentally collected, they are supposed to be masked, meaning the name or names are redacted from reports – whether it is international or domestic collection,
unless it is an issue of national security, crime or if their security is threatened in any way. There are loopholes and ways to unmask through backchannels, but Americans are supposed to be protected from incidental collection. Sources told Fox News that in this case, they were not.

This comes in the wake of Evelyn Farkas’ television interview last month in which the former Obama deputy secretary of defense said in part: “I was urging my former colleagues and, frankly speaking, the people on the Hill – it was more actually aimed at telling the Hill people, get as much information as you can, get as much intelligence as you can, before President Obama leaves the administration.”

Meanwhile, Fox News also is told that House Intelligence Committee Chairman Devin Nunes knew about unmasking and leaking back in January, well before President Trump’s tweet in March alleging wiretapping.

Nunes has faced criticism from Democrats for viewing pertinent documents on White House grounds and announcing their contents to the press. But sources said “the intelligence agencies slow-rolled Nunes. He could have seen the logs at other places besides the White House SCIF [secure facility], but it had already been a few weeks. So he went to the White House because he could protect his sources and he could get to the logs.”

As the Obama administration left office, it also approved new rules that gave the NSA much broader powers by relaxing the rules about sharing intercepted personal communications and the ability to share those with 16 other intelligence agencies.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/04/03/susan-rice-requested-to-unmask-n ames-trump-transition-officials-sources-say.html


Sang - 4/3/2017 at 07:14 PM

quote:
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Your "14 rounds ÷ 10 weeks = 1.4 rounds per week for Trump" is a lie.

Try factual data son.



The village idiot is back....

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/for-trump-playing-golf-is-just-another-day -at-the-office-2017-03-31

The inputs? So far, according to multiple reports, Trump has gone golfing 13 times since becoming president.

March 31 is Trump’s 71st day in office. That’s one round of golf every five-and-a-half days.

Meanwhile the magazine Golf Digest, in the kind of exhaustive and heroic work that really deserves some kind of prize, in January added up all the times Obama went golfing during his eight-year term as president.

The total: 306 times. The calendar tell us there were 2,922 days in Obama’s two terms. So that’s one round of golf every nine-and-a-half days.

In other words, Trump has been golfing at almost twice the rate as Obama did. And this in the supposedly busy early days of his presidency to boot.

Does this matter? Trump defenders will say not.
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http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/trump-golfing-apparently-discuss-h ealth-care-article-1.3016698

It’s the weekend, so President Trump went golfing. Yet again.

Trump spent his Sunday afternoon hitting the links with Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) and Office of Management and Budget Director Mick Mulvaney — meaning the real estate mogul has now gone golfing nearly 15 times since he assumed the role of President less than 80 days ago.
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Trump said: “I’m going to be working for you, I’m not going to have time to go play golf.”

This quote is accurate and was spoken by candidate Trump at a campaign rally in Virginia on 8 August 2016:

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2112 - 4/3/2017 at 09:22 PM

quote:
quote:
_______________

Your "14 rounds ÷ 10 weeks = 1.4 rounds per week for Trump" is a lie.

Try factual data son.



The village idiot is back....

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/for-trump-playing-golf-is-just-another-day -at-the-office-2017-03-31

The inputs? So far, according to multiple reports, Trump has gone golfing 13 times since becoming president.

March 31 is Trump’s 71st day in office. That’s one round of golf every five-and-a-half days.

Meanwhile the magazine Golf Digest, in the kind of exhaustive and heroic work that really deserves some kind of prize, in January added up all the times Obama went golfing during his eight-year term as president.

The total: 306 times. The calendar tell us there were 2,922 days in Obama’s two terms. So that’s one round of golf every nine-and-a-half days.

In other words, Trump has been golfing at almost twice the rate as Obama did. And this in the supposedly busy early days of his presidency to boot.

Does this matter? Trump defenders will say not.
-----------------------------

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/trump-golfing-apparently-discuss-h ealth-care-article-1.3016698

It’s the weekend, so President Trump went golfing. Yet again.

Trump spent his Sunday afternoon hitting the links with Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) and Office of Management and Budget Director Mick Mulvaney — meaning the real estate mogul has now gone golfing nearly 15 times since he assumed the role of President less than 80 days ago.
----------------------------

Trump said: “I’m going to be working for you, I’m not going to have time to go play golf.”

This quote is accurate and was spoken by candidate Trump at a campaign rally in Virginia on 8 August 2016:

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I should have known better than to try to use facts with Mule. If they aren't alternative facts tweeted by Trump or presented on Fox News, we'll never believe them. If Trump tweeted that the earth was flat, Mule would believe it.


BoytonBrother - 4/3/2017 at 09:28 PM

quote:
Sad individuals. I hope they find the key to happiness at some point.


A happy guy comes out of a posting hiatus to call people sad? Maybe he isn't so happy then. Nice try though. I'm having a blast not caring about politics. I've moved on to more behavioral interests. I've been much happier since I did that. You should be flattered alloak - our posts clearly mean we found you interesting. Baffling mostly, but interesting nonetheless.


Muleman1994 - 4/3/2017 at 09:46 PM

quote:
quote:
quote:
_______________

Your "14 rounds ÷ 10 weeks = 1.4 rounds per week for Trump" is a lie.

Try factual data son.



The village idiot is back....

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/for-trump-playing-golf-is-just-another-day -at-the-office-2017-03-31

The inputs? So far, according to multiple reports, Trump has gone golfing 13 times since becoming president.

March 31 is Trump’s 71st day in office. That’s one round of golf every five-and-a-half days.

Meanwhile the magazine Golf Digest, in the kind of exhaustive and heroic work that really deserves some kind of prize, in January added up all the times Obama went golfing during his eight-year term as president.

The total: 306 times. The calendar tell us there were 2,922 days in Obama’s two terms. So that’s one round of golf every nine-and-a-half days.

In other words, Trump has been golfing at almost twice the rate as Obama did. And this in the supposedly busy early days of his presidency to boot.

Does this matter? Trump defenders will say not.
-----------------------------

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/trump-golfing-apparently-discuss-h ealth-care-article-1.3016698

It’s the weekend, so President Trump went golfing. Yet again.

Trump spent his Sunday afternoon hitting the links with Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) and Office of Management and Budget Director Mick Mulvaney — meaning the real estate mogul has now gone golfing nearly 15 times since he assumed the role of President less than 80 days ago.
----------------------------

Trump said: “I’m going to be working for you, I’m not going to have time to go play golf.”

This quote is accurate and was spoken by candidate Trump at a campaign rally in Virginia on 8 August 2016:

-----------------------------




I should have known better than to try to use facts with Mule. If they aren't alternative facts tweeted by Trump or presented on Fox News, we'll never believe them. If Trump tweeted that the earth was flat, Mule would believe it.

___________________________________________________________________________ ____

14 rounds of golf?
Then 13 then 15.... and not one creditable source for this nonsense issue.

On the people's list of what is important tp them just where does a President's golfing hit?


Muleman1994 - 4/3/2017 at 09:50 PM

This Putin/Trump phony issue just keeps getting better.

Now that we know it was Susan Rice who sought the names of people in conversations with Russians the real question becomes who in the Obama administration leaked the information to The Washington Post?

Even better, one of the leading Democrat mouth pieces of the phony Trump ties to Russia issue admits they have nothing:

Adam Schiff: There Is No "Definitive" Proof Of Any Trump-Russia Connection
Posted By Tim Hains - On Date April 2, 2017

Adam Schiff: There Is No "Definitive" Proof Of Any Trump-Russia Connection
On Sunday's edition of 'State of the Union' on CNN, House Intelligence Committee top Democrat Rep. Adam Schiff (D-CA) explained that so far his investigation has turned up no evidence of Trump-Russia collusion in the 2016 election.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2017/04/02/adam_schiff_there_is_no_d efinitive_proof_of_any_trump-russia_connection.html


2112 - 4/3/2017 at 09:56 PM

quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
_______________

Your "14 rounds ÷ 10 weeks = 1.4 rounds per week for Trump" is a lie.

Try factual data son.



The village idiot is back....

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/for-trump-playing-golf-is-just-another-day -at-the-office-2017-03-31

The inputs? So far, according to multiple reports, Trump has gone golfing 13 times since becoming president.

March 31 is Trump’s 71st day in office. That’s one round of golf every five-and-a-half days.

Meanwhile the magazine Golf Digest, in the kind of exhaustive and heroic work that really deserves some kind of prize, in January added up all the times Obama went golfing during his eight-year term as president.

The total: 306 times. The calendar tell us there were 2,922 days in Obama’s two terms. So that’s one round of golf every nine-and-a-half days.

In other words, Trump has been golfing at almost twice the rate as Obama did. And this in the supposedly busy early days of his presidency to boot.

Does this matter? Trump defenders will say not.
-----------------------------

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/trump-golfing-apparently-discuss-h ealth-care-article-1.3016698

It’s the weekend, so President Trump went golfing. Yet again.

Trump spent his Sunday afternoon hitting the links with Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) and Office of Management and Budget Director Mick Mulvaney — meaning the real estate mogul has now gone golfing nearly 15 times since he assumed the role of President less than 80 days ago.
----------------------------

Trump said: “I’m going to be working for you, I’m not going to have time to go play golf.”

This quote is accurate and was spoken by candidate Trump at a campaign rally in Virginia on 8 August 2016:

-----------------------------




I should have known better than to try to use facts with Mule. If they aren't alternative facts tweeted by Trump or presented on Fox News, we'll never believe them. If Trump tweeted that the earth was flat, Mule would believe it.

___________________________________________________________________________ ____

14 rounds of golf?
Then 13 then 15.... and not one creditable source for this nonsense issue.

On the people's list of what is important tp them just where does a President's golfing hit?



The article said as of March 31 it was 13, then another article said he golfed with Rand Paul over the weekend. So 13 + 1 = 14, which is what I said. No sure why it said "nearly 15."

Seems like you and alloak used to talk about how much golf Obama played. Seemed to matter a lot to you and the Fox News types last year. Just wondering why all of a sudden it doesn't matter how much golf a president plays when it mattered a lot last year? It even mattered to Trump last year. Funny how that works.


BoytonBrother - 4/3/2017 at 10:14 PM

Muleman, seriously, why do you care? Dems are powerless right now and Trump is in power. Why get upset over it?


Muleman1994 - 4/4/2017 at 01:40 AM

quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
_______________

Your "14 rounds ÷ 10 weeks = 1.4 rounds per week for Trump" is a lie.

Try factual data son.



The village idiot is back....

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/for-trump-playing-golf-is-just-another-day -at-the-office-2017-03-31

The inputs? So far, according to multiple reports, Trump has gone golfing 13 times since becoming president.

March 31 is Trump’s 71st day in office. That’s one round of golf every five-and-a-half days.

Meanwhile the magazine Golf Digest, in the kind of exhaustive and heroic work that really deserves some kind of prize, in January added up all the times Obama went golfing during his eight-year term as president.

The total: 306 times. The calendar tell us there were 2,922 days in Obama’s two terms. So that’s one round of golf every nine-and-a-half days.

In other words, Trump has been golfing at almost twice the rate as Obama did. And this in the supposedly busy early days of his presidency to boot.

Does this matter? Trump defenders will say not.
-----------------------------

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/trump-golfing-apparently-discuss-h ealth-care-article-1.3016698

It’s the weekend, so President Trump went golfing. Yet again.

Trump spent his Sunday afternoon hitting the links with Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) and Office of Management and Budget Director Mick Mulvaney — meaning the real estate mogul has now gone golfing nearly 15 times since he assumed the role of President less than 80 days ago.
----------------------------

Trump said: “I’m going to be working for you, I’m not going to have time to go play golf.”

This quote is accurate and was spoken by candidate Trump at a campaign rally in Virginia on 8 August 2016:

-----------------------------




I should have known better than to try to use facts with Mule. If they aren't alternative facts tweeted by Trump or presented on Fox News, we'll never believe them. If Trump tweeted that the earth was flat, Mule would believe it.

___________________________________________________________________________ ____

14 rounds of golf?
Then 13 then 15.... and not one creditable source for this nonsense issue.

On the people's list of what is important tp them just where does a President's golfing hit?



The article said as of March 31 it was 13, then another article said he golfed with Rand Paul over the weekend. So 13 + 1 = 14, which is what I said. No sure why it said "nearly 15."

Seems like you and alloak used to talk about how much golf Obama played. Seemed to matter a lot to you and the Fox News types last year. Just wondering why all of a sudden it doesn't matter how much golf a president plays when it mattered a lot last year? It even mattered to Trump last year. Funny how that works.

___________________________________________________________________________ ___

Funny how the far-left loons can't seem to get their numbers right and get all worked up about an issue no one cares about.


Muleman1994 - 4/4/2017 at 01:50 AM

quote:
Muleman, seriously, why do you care? Dems are powerless right now and Trump is in power. Why get upset over it?

___________________________________________________________________________ ______

Upset?
Not at all. I'm actually enjoying reading the posts about an issue nobody cares about.

Notice that not one of the liberals will touch the revelation that Susan Rice has been caught in the Obama administration's surveillance of Candidate/President Trump and their leaking of classified material to their lapdogs in the corrupt liberal media.

The is a big difference this time around.
There is no one around in power now to save Rice and the rest of the co-conspirators with "executive privilege" and the other tricks Obama did to cover up the corruption in his administration.

Should make for great hearings. Rice worked directly for Obama. Let the subpoenas fly!


LeglizHemp - 4/4/2017 at 02:15 AM

Hello Mule my friend, hope you are well

Pleasantries aside, i find it curious that a conservative such as yourself has no concerns about the Russians. Do you understand my curiosity?


2112 - 4/4/2017 at 04:11 AM

quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
_______________

Your "14 rounds ÷ 10 weeks = 1.4 rounds per week for Trump" is a lie.

Try factual data son.



The village idiot is back....

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/for-trump-playing-golf-is-just-another-day -at-the-office-2017-03-31

The inputs? So far, according to multiple reports, Trump has gone golfing 13 times since becoming president.

March 31 is Trump’s 71st day in office. That’s one round of golf every five-and-a-half days.

Meanwhile the magazine Golf Digest, in the kind of exhaustive and heroic work that really deserves some kind of prize, in January added up all the times Obama went golfing during his eight-year term as president.

The total: 306 times. The calendar tell us there were 2,922 days in Obama’s two terms. So that’s one round of golf every nine-and-a-half days.

In other words, Trump has been golfing at almost twice the rate as Obama did. And this in the supposedly busy early days of his presidency to boot.

Does this matter? Trump defenders will say not.
-----------------------------

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/trump-golfing-apparently-discuss-h ealth-care-article-1.3016698

It’s the weekend, so President Trump went golfing. Yet again.

Trump spent his Sunday afternoon hitting the links with Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) and Office of Management and Budget Director Mick Mulvaney — meaning the real estate mogul has now gone golfing nearly 15 times since he assumed the role of President less than 80 days ago.
----------------------------

Trump said: “I’m going to be working for you, I’m not going to have time to go play golf.”

This quote is accurate and was spoken by candidate Trump at a campaign rally in Virginia on 8 August 2016:

-----------------------------




I should have known better than to try to use facts with Mule. If they aren't alternative facts tweeted by Trump or presented on Fox News, we'll never believe them. If Trump tweeted that the earth was flat, Mule would believe it.

___________________________________________________________________________ ____

14 rounds of golf?
Then 13 then 15.... and not one creditable source for this nonsense issue.

On the people's list of what is important tp them just where does a President's golfing hit?



The article said as of March 31 it was 13, then another article said he golfed with Rand Paul over the weekend. So 13 + 1 = 14, which is what I said. No sure why it said "nearly 15."

Seems like you and alloak used to talk about how much golf Obama played. Seemed to matter a lot to you and the Fox News types last year. Just wondering why all of a sudden it doesn't matter how much golf a president plays when it mattered a lot last year? It even mattered to Trump last year. Funny how that works.

___________________________________________________________________________ ___

Funny how the far-left loons can't seem to get their numbers right and get all worked up about an issue no one cares about.




Like I said, I don't care how much golf either Trump or Obama played. But since you and pretty much everybody on the right including Trump himself were outraged over how much golf Obama played, the right should be pissed about Trump's golf habits. But no, his supporters only care about Obama's golfing and turn a blind eye to Trump golfing even more. The right are so phoney.


Muleman1994 - 4/7/2017 at 03:33 AM

quote:
Hello Mule my friend, hope you are well

Pleasantries aside, i find it curious that a conservative such as yourself has no concerns about the Russians. Do you understand my curiosity?

___________________________________________________________________________ _____

Greetings.

If you are talking about the phony Putin/Trump "conspiracy" I do not.

The Democrats started this false claim when they realized that Hillary Clinton was going to lose the election.

No evidence exists to support the Democrats claim.

The Democrats claim that "the Russians hacked the election". That is a flat out lie.

The only hacking that occurred happened to the Clinton campaign and The DNC. The FBI had warned both that hacking attempts had been attempted. The source of those hacking attempts is unknown. The Clinton campaign and The DNC both chose to ignore the FBI's warnings about their unsecure computer systems.

Recently multiple sources, including an obama administration staffer, have disclosed that the obama administration was actively unmasking Americans on NSA wiretaps and leaking that classified information to The Washington Post.

The only criminal activity that occurred during the 2016 election was perpetrated by the obama administration.

Yes of course I am concerned about the Russians but they had no role in the outcome of the 2016 election. There are far more serious matters such as Syria and Iran. President Trump is taking care of the former tonight.

I also do not think the Russians hacked the Super Bowl.


LeglizHemp - 4/7/2017 at 01:35 PM

fair enough, but i think you have blinders on. there is a lot of smoke around the russian story. personally i'll wait out the hearings before i decide one way or the other. some of it i don't think there is enough evidence of a crime so far (from what we know). play cheerleader if you want, we'll find out the answers in due time.


Muleman1994 - 4/7/2017 at 01:45 PM

quote:
fair enough, but i think you have blinders on. there is a lot of smoke around the russian story. personally i'll wait out the hearings before i decide one way or the other. some of it i don't think there is enough evidence of a crime so far (from what we know). play cheerleader if you want, we'll find out the answers in due time.

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When the smoke clears I think we will find that as now, there are no facts to support and Putin/Trump "conspiracy" or and hacking of the election.

The Obama administration however, with so many facts coming to light, has serious problems and the Democrats will suffer more damage, if that is possible.

This Susan Rice revelation does not surprise me at all.
Remember it was Rice that went on the 5 Sunday morning talk shows to spread the lie that the Benghazi attack was because of "a video" and she also claimed that Bergdahl "served with honor and distinction and was captured on the battlefield.
Crap. He deserted.


Muleman1994 - 4/7/2017 at 11:11 PM

And the saga continues. At some point you might think that even the Democrats would get pissed because Obama and his administration lied to them:

Susan Rice, Obama colleagues take heat for past claims on Syria chemical weapons purge
By Barnini Chakraborty - Published April 07, 2017 - FoxNews.com

Susan Rice and other former Obama administration officials are taking heat for past claims that their 2013 Syria agreement successfully led to the Assad regime purging its entire chemical weapons stockpile -- in the wake of this week's alleged sarin gas attack.

On Thursday, President Trump launched a targeted strike at a Syrian airfield in response to what he called a barbaric chemical attack on innocent civilians at the hand of Syrian President Bashar Assad.

“There can be no dispute that Syria used banned chemical weapons, violated its obligations under the Chemical Weapons Convention and ignored the urging of the U.N. Security Council,” Trump said.

Video footage from the chemical attack scene immediately raised credibility problems for claims made by members of the Obama administration that the prior agreement had rid the war-torn country of chemical agents.

During an interview this past January with National Public Radio, former National Security Adviser Rice touted the “success” in Syria, in striking a deal with Russia's help that resulted in the prior administration dropping the threat of military action.

“We were able to find a solution that didn’t necessitate the use of force that actually removed the chemical weapons that were known from Syria, in a way that the use of force would never have accomplished,” she boasted. “We were able to get the Syrian government to voluntarily and verifiably give up its chemical weapons stockpile.”

Rice has come under fire for making misleading comments in the past. Most recently, she grabbed headlines for allegedly being tied to allegations of improper surveillance of the Trump team prior to his inauguration.

Rice isn’t the only Obama-era official who made self-congratulatory statements about removing chemical weapons from Syria.

In July 2014, then-Secretary of State John Kerry went on NBC’s “Meet the Press” to discuss the September 2013 deal that resulted in Russia agreeing to help confiscate and then destroy Syria’s stockpile.

“We struck a deal where we got 100 percent of the chemical weapons out,” Kerry claimed.
At the time, the fact-checking website PolitiFact found Kerry’s comments to be “mostly true.”

However, given new evidence that Assad had recently used chemical weapons against his own people, PolitiFact was forced to revisit and revise its assessment of Kerry’s claims.

“We don’t know key details about the reported chemical attack in Syria on April 4, 2017, but it raises two clear possibilities: Either Syria never fulling complied with its 2013 promise to reveal all of its chemical weapons; or it did, but then converted otherwise non-lethal chemicals to military uses.

“One way or another, subsequent events have proved Kerry wrong,” the site ruled.

In August 2016, a U.N. report revealed that Assad had used chlorine gas against civilians on two separate occasions since the 2013 deal – a clear violation of the Chemical Weapons Convention. Despite that report, members of the Obama administration continued to claim they had been successful in disarming Assad’s chemical weapons arsenal.

They routinely touted the diplomatic nature of the joint U.S.-and-Russia brokered deal.

Obama issued his infamous “red line” warning to Syria’s leader in 2012 not to use chemical weapons. In 2013, when reports surfaced that Assad used sarin gas to kill his people, the deal to remove chemical weapons was intended to avert military action.

The president himself on Aug. 18. 2014 said that “the most lethal declared chemical weapons possessed by the Syrian regime were destroyed by dedicated U.S. civilian and military professionals” and that it had been done “several weeks ahead of schedule.”

On Jan. 6, 2015, then-White House Press Secretary John Earnest praised Russia for its role in destroying the chemical weapons stockpile of the Assad regime.

“That was an important step, because it reduced, or essentially eliminated, the proliferation risk from that declared chemical weapons stockpile, that we could essentially destroy those chemical weapons and ensure that terrorists would not be able to get their hands on them and use them in other places.”

Five months later on June 17, 2015, Earnest said that the “declared chemical weapons stockpile that Assad previously denied existed has now been acknowledged, rounded up, removed from the country and destroyed precisely because of the work of this administration and our successful efforts to work with the Russians to accomplish that goal.”

On Thursday night, Secretary of State Rex Tillerson slammed Russia for failing to do its part in preventing the Syrian government from using chemical weapons, despite the 2013 agreement to remove weapons from the country.

“Either Russia has been complicit or Russia has been simply incompetent,” Tillerson said.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/04/07/susan-rice-obama-colleagues-take -heat-for-past-claims-on-syria-chemical-weapons-purge.html


LeglizHemp - 4/8/2017 at 12:07 AM

i think its a false flag bombing to send a message to china about north korea......help me gina

Bannon also has perfect opportunity to defect and return to Breitbart. Build a stronger following by criticizing Trump.

[Edited on 4/8/2017 by LeglizHemp]


nebish - 4/9/2017 at 05:41 AM

from the fox news article two posts up:

quote:
In July 2014, then-Secretary of State John Kerry went on NBC’s “Meet the Press” to discuss the September 2013 deal that resulted in Russia agreeing to help confiscate and then destroy Syria’s stockpile.

“We struck a deal where we got 100 percent of the chemical weapons out,” Kerry claimed.
At the time, the fact-checking website PolitiFact found Kerry’s comments to be “mostly true.”

However, given new evidence that Assad had recently used chemical weapons against his own people, PolitiFact was forced to revisit and revise its assessment of Kerry’s claims.

“We don’t know key details about the reported chemical attack in Syria on April 4, 2017, but it raises two clear possibilities: Either Syria never fulling complied with its 2013 promise to reveal all of its chemical weapons; or it did, but then converted otherwise non-lethal chemicals to military uses.

“One way or another, subsequent events have proved Kerry wrong,” the site ruled.

In August 2016, a U.N. report revealed that Assad had used chlorine gas against civilians on two separate occasions since the 2013 deal – a clear violation of the Chemical Weapons Convention. Despite that report, members of the Obama administration continued to claim they had been successful in disarming Assad’s chemical weapons arsenal.

They routinely touted the diplomatic nature of the joint U.S.-and-Russia brokered deal.

Obama issued his infamous “red line” warning to Syria’s leader in 2012 not to use chemical weapons. In 2013, when reports surfaced that Assad used sarin gas to kill his people, the deal to remove chemical weapons was intended to avert military action.

The president himself on Aug. 18. 2014 said that “the most lethal declared chemical weapons possessed by the Syrian regime were destroyed by dedicated U.S. civilian and military professionals” and that it had been done “several weeks ahead of schedule.”

On Jan. 6, 2015, then-White House Press Secretary John Earnest praised Russia for its role in destroying the chemical weapons stockpile of the Assad regime.

“That was an important step, because it reduced, or essentially eliminated, the proliferation risk from that declared chemical weapons stockpile, that we could essentially destroy those chemical weapons and ensure that terrorists would not be able to get their hands on them and use them in other places.”

Five months later on June 17, 2015, Earnest said that the “declared chemical weapons stockpile that Assad previously denied existed has now been acknowledged, rounded up, removed from the country and destroyed precisely because of the work of this administration and our successful efforts to work with the Russians to accomplish that goal.”


Noting the bolded part, rarely does anybody mention the chemical weapons usage that happened in 2014 and 2015. That was after the so-called "deal" to destroy or remove them and it was before the chemical weapon attack this week.

From the BBC

quote:
However, investigations by the UN and international chemical weapons watchdog have found that Syrian government forces carried out three chemical weapons attacks in 2014 and 2015.

The reports said that Syrian air force helicopters had dropped chlorine gas on rebel-held areas, twice in March 2015 and once in April 2014.

The use of chlorine as a weapon is prohibited under the 1997 Chemical Weapons Convention.

Islamic State (IS) militants had also used sulphur-mustard gas in an attack, the watchdog found.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-39116854



Muleman1994 - 4/9/2017 at 03:31 PM

quote:

However, investigations by the UN and international chemical weapons watchdog have found that Syrian government forces carried out three chemical weapons attacks in 2014 and 2015.

The reports said that Syrian air force helicopters had dropped chlorine gas on rebel-held areas, twice in March 2015 and once in April 2014.

The use of chlorine as a weapon is prohibited under the 1997 Chemical Weapons Convention.

Islamic State (IS) militants had also used sulphur-mustard gas in an attack, the watchdog found.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-39116854
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Obama Rice and Kerry all lied and hundreds of thousands of people were massacred by Assad using chemical weapons.

The left doesn't want to talk about the reasons and the truth.

Obama failed and President Trump took decisive action.


jkeller - 4/9/2017 at 03:34 PM

quote:
quote:

However, investigations by the UN and international chemical weapons watchdog have found that Syrian government forces carried out three chemical weapons attacks in 2014 and 2015.

The reports said that Syrian air force helicopters had dropped chlorine gas on rebel-held areas, twice in March 2015 and once in April 2014.

The use of chlorine as a weapon is prohibited under the 1997 Chemical Weapons Convention.

Islamic State (IS) militants had also used sulphur-mustard gas in an attack, the watchdog found.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-39116854
___________________________________________________________________________ _____

Obama Rice and Kerry all lied and hundreds of thousands of people were massacred by Assad using chemical weapons.

The left doesn't want to talk about the reasons and the truth.

Obama failed and President Trump took decisive action.



Do you have a credible source for that or is this just more fake news?


2112 - 4/9/2017 at 06:00 PM

quote:
quote:
quote:

However, investigations by the UN and international chemical weapons watchdog have found that Syrian government forces carried out three chemical weapons attacks in 2014 and 2015.

The reports said that Syrian air force helicopters had dropped chlorine gas on rebel-held areas, twice in March 2015 and once in April 2014.

The use of chlorine as a weapon is prohibited under the 1997 Chemical Weapons Convention.

Islamic State (IS) militants had also used sulphur-mustard gas in an attack, the watchdog found.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-39116854
___________________________________________________________________________ _____

Obama Rice and Kerry all lied and hundreds of thousands of people were massacred by Assad using chemical weapons.

The left doesn't want to talk about the reasons and the truth.

Obama failed and President Trump took decisive action.



Do you have a credible source for that or is this just more fake news?


Mule likes to demand links but does not like to produce them. Mule the Fake News Man has less credibility around here than Gina and lies more than Trump does, two things I didn't think we're possible.


Muleman1994 - 4/10/2017 at 01:57 AM

quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:

However, investigations by the UN and international chemical weapons watchdog have found that Syrian government forces carried out three chemical weapons attacks in 2014 and 2015.

The reports said that Syrian air force helicopters had dropped chlorine gas on rebel-held areas, twice in March 2015 and once in April 2014.

The use of chlorine as a weapon is prohibited under the 1997 Chemical Weapons Convention.

Islamic State (IS) militants had also used sulphur-mustard gas in an attack, the watchdog found.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-39116854
___________________________________________________________________________ _____

Obama Rice and Kerry all lied and hundreds of thousands of people were massacred by Assad using chemical weapons.

The left doesn't want to talk about the reasons and the truth.

Obama failed and President Trump took decisive action.



Do you have a credible source for that or is this just more fake news?


Mule likes to demand links but does not like to produce them. Mule the Fake News Man has less credibility around here than Gina and lies more than Trump does, two things I didn't think we're possible.

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Still upset the left can't win an election and no longer have any power at the federal level or the majority of states? Apparently you cannot emotionally or mentally handle it.

I did not demand anything. I simply asked if you had any sources to back up your lie.

Not one creditable news source is reporting that Assad launched the bombing attack from the airfield President Trump ordered destroyed.

While there are reports that Assad did bomb the city which last week he used chemical weapons on the attack you reference used standard munitions and was not from the airfield President Trump took care of.

Only corrupt liberal opinion sites claim that attack came from the destroyed airfield and you bought it. Of course those are the same sites that claimed Hillary would win the election

That is why I ask you if you had any creditable source which you go not have. You got played.

Obviously Assad heard President Trump's message loud and clear. A much different message than Obama sent which both Assad and Putin knew Obama hadn't the balls to act on.

I do like Gen. McMaster's question today:
If the Russians had advisors at the airfield that Assad used to send chemical weapons from how could they not know Assad still had chemical weapons which the Russians had previously stated were no longer in Syria?

Russia, Putin, Obama, Rice and Kerry all lied to the world and the left bought it.
How many people have to die before the left cares?


Muleman1994 - 4/10/2017 at 04:21 PM

The Washington Post gives 4 Pinocchios to Susan Rice for lying about Syrian Chemical Weapons.

Susan Rice’s claim that Obama got Syria to ‘verifiably give up its chemical weapons stockpile’

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2017/04/10/susan-rices- claim-that-obama-got-syria-to-verifiably-give-up-its-chemical-weapons-stock pile/?utm_term=.f456fcf684cb&wpisrc=nl_headlines&wpmm=1

When WAPO accurately reports the lying of the obama administration it is a new day in America. This report was not printed though and can only be found online.


Muleman1994 - 4/11/2017 at 03:16 AM

Obama officials applaud President Trump:

Ex-Obama officials show true colors on Syria after strikes
Published April 10, 2017 - FoxNews.com

President Trump’s missile strikes on the Assad regime have re-opened the divide among former Obama administration officials over their much-critiqued Syria policy.

While some Barack Obama allies criticized Trump and defended the former administration's diplomatic approach, others could hardly contain their relief that the U.S. had taken military action in response to chemical weapons use.

“Donald Trump has done the right thing on Syria. Finally!! After years of useless handwringing in the face of hideous atrocities,” tweeted Anne-Marie Slaughter, a former policy planner in Obama’s State Department.

Slaughter lauded Trump for doing what some say Obama should have done years ago: punish Syrian President Bashar Assad for using chemical weapons on civilians.

Obama vowed in 2012 that such actions would cross a “red line.” But he failed to enforce the promise a year later when hundreds of Syrians were killed by sarin gas and instead brokered a multi-nation deal in which Assad pledged to remove his chemical-weapons stockpile.

Kerry, however, was notably frustrated about such diplomatic efforts having no military backbone, even as he voiced public support for the deal and claimed -- erroneously, it turned out -- that it removed "100 percent of the chemical weapons."

“I think you’re looking at three people, four people in the administration who have all argued for use of force, and I lost the argument,” Kerry told a group of Syrians last year at a United Nations meeting, according to an audiotape obtained by The New York Times.

In the wake of the Trump missile strikes, a source close to Kerry said he was “absolutely supportive” of the decision and “gratified to see that it happened quickly,” according to Politico.

Another former Obama official was quoted in the same article saying, "Our administration never would have gotten this done in 48 hours. ... It’s a complete indictment of Obama."

Kerry has made no public statements since Navy warships on Thursday fired dozens of missiles into a Syrian airbase from which Assad apparently launched his chemical attack on civilians earlier in the week, killing 87.

Susan Rice, an Obama national security adviser, earlier this year lauded the administration’s efforts to get Assad to “verifiably” surrender the stockpile without the threat of force -- telling NPR that the move was consistent with Obama’s desire “not to intervene in the civil war.”

She also has not publicly commented on the missile strike.

However, Ben Rhodes, a former deputy national security adviser for Obama, has posted numerous tweets criticizing Trump, including one that suggested the president’s motive was to “generate … positive” press.

“Strikes could not have ended the violence in Syria or removed all of the (chemical weapons) which was destroyed through diplomacy,” Rhodes said in one post.

He also defended the administration's decisions, albeit cryptically, in response to The Wall Street Journal's Bret Stephens, who wrote: “You had the chance to stop genocide, chaos, a refugee crisis, Russia's intervention, @brhodes. You did nothing. Try shame instead of snark.”

“I respect your passion,” Rhodes responded. “But giving any US Administration agency for all the forces at work in Syria only makes finding solutions harder.”

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/04/10/ex-obama-officials-show-true-col ors-on-syria-after-strikes.html


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