Thread: SCHUMMER SURRENDER!!

OriginalGoober - 1/19/2018 at 10:47 PM

Dems will own this one. DACA has zero to do with passing a budget. Let's see how far dems go before they realize the whole plan backfired.

[Edited on 1/23/2018 by OriginalGoober]


2112 - 1/19/2018 at 10:54 PM

Good luck blaming the Democrats. Had Trump not made his shortsided executive order we wouldn't be in this situation. Blame the failure on your great negotiator. First time ever a single party has held congress and the presidency and the government will shut down. Complete failure of the Republican leadership. Pathetic


OriginalGoober - 1/19/2018 at 11:31 PM

If 60 votes are needed how can you blame republicans?


2112 - 1/19/2018 at 11:54 PM

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If 60 votes are needed how can you blame republicans?


Read the second sentence of my previous response. Trump put the country in this predicament. It is also his job as leader of the country to show some of his great negotiation skills to get us out of a situation of his own creation.


jkeller - 1/20/2018 at 12:18 AM

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Dems will own this one. DACA has zero to do with passing a budget. Let's see how far dems go before they realize the whole plan backfired.


Trump said he would sign any bill that crossed his desk. He was presented with a biprtisan bill. He rejected it. Trump owns this.


gina - 1/20/2018 at 12:21 AM

The vote is supposed to happen within an hour. The deadline is Midnight, so they better get down to business.

If it does not work, this is what some of the leaders will be doing next week.

With the House scheduled to be out of session next week, several leaders have planned trips abroad. Vice President Pence will travel to Israel and Egypt, Ryan will visit Iraq, and House Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) and House Freedom Caucus Chairman Mark Meadows (R-N.C.) will accompany Trump to the World Economic Forum in the Swiss resort village of Davos. McCarthy spokesman Matt Sparks said the Davos trip would be canceled in the event of a government shutdown, but that did not stop Pelosi from criticizing the trip.

"Every year the Republicans plan the January schedule so that they can go to Davos. They want to spend next week hobnobbing with their elitist friends instead of honoring their responsibilities to the American people," she said.

On Jan. 30, Trump is scheduled to deliver his State of the Union address.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/government-shutdown-looms-as-senior -republican-signals-vote-within-hours/ar-AAuTlMT?OCID=ansmsnnews11

Tensions are running high on the hill.

https://twitter.com/SenThomTillis


WHAT HAPPENS IN A SHUTDOWN?

http://news.trust.org//item/20180119010656-2fygg/




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jkeller - 1/20/2018 at 04:08 AM

Hey Goob, 4 Republicans voted against the bill. Graham, lee, Flake and Paul.


The GOP owns the shutdown.


2112 - 1/20/2018 at 04:11 AM

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Hey Goob, 4 Republicans voted against the bill. Graham, lee, Flake and Paul.


The GOP owns the shutdown.


I don't know man. I'm waiting for someone to blame Hillary.


Bhawk - 1/20/2018 at 04:26 AM

Four Republicans vote no, five Democrats vote yes.

First one-party government shutdown in the history of ever.


nebish - 1/20/2018 at 05:08 AM

Funny, everyone hurry to blame the party you don't like.

What is the root cause? Senate failures to pass budget appropriations. Be it Harry Reid or Mitch McConnell...the Senate is just flat broken. No actually, our country is broken.


nebish - 1/20/2018 at 02:18 PM

Who wanted the shutdown? What the numbers say:

House Vote for Continuing Resolution -
224 Republicans voted Yea (95%)
11 Republicans voted Nay (5%)

6 Democrats voted Yea (3%)
186 Democrats voted Nay (97%)

Senate Vote for Cloture on the Continuing Resolution vote -

45 Republicans voted Yea (90%)
5 Republicans voted Nay (10%)

5 Democrats voted Yea (10%)
44 Democrats voted Nay (90%)


What do the numbers say who voted to fund the government and who voted to not fund the government?

What does the New York Times say?

quote:
Senate Democrats blocked a spending bill on Friday night that would have prevented a government shutdown. The procedural motion to advance the bill needed 60 votes to pass.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/19/us/politics/government-shutdown.html


nebish - 1/20/2018 at 02:22 PM

Shelton Whitehouse just tweeted he has some optimism the Senate may be able to reach some deal this weekend. We shall see.

quote in part:

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the lengthy Senate Floor conversations were productive and bipartisan. No guarantees, but there is a strong chance for a resolution over the weekend with good faith on both sides.
https://twitter.com/senwhitehouse



[Edited on 1/20/2018 by nebish]


gina - 1/20/2018 at 06:11 PM

Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell said the Democrats wanted the shutdown, but the Senate will still keep working to try to fix things.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/mcconnell-takes-hard-line-after-fail ed-shutdown-vote/ar-AAuVkFi?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=iehp

"What we have just witnessed on the floor was a cynical decision by Senate Democrats to shove aside millions of Americans for the sake of irresponsible, political games," he said from the Senate floor. McConnell did not lay out a back-up plan, but instead said the Senate will vote again on the House-passed bill, signaling Republicans and the White House believe they have an advantage and will seek to pile on blame for Democrats on the shutdown.

"We're going to keep on voting. The government might be heading into shutdown, but the Senate's not," he said. His comments came after Democrats, and some Republicans, blocked a House-passed bill to fund the government through mid-February. Forty-five Republicans and five Democrats backed the bill, while 44 Democrats and four Republicans opposed it in addition to McConnell, who cast a "no" vote for procedural reasons to preserve his right to bring the bill up again.

McConnell referenced the White House statement, noting that the administration "will not negotiate the status of unlawful immigrants while Democrats hold our lawful citizens hostage over their reckless demands."

MEANWHILE, THE DEMOCRATS INTENSIFY OPPOSITION TO A STOP GAP BILL TO END THE SHUTDOWN, LED BY HOUSE MINORITY LEADER NANCY PELOSI

http://thehill.com/homenews/house/369926-house-dems-intensify-opposition-to -stopgap-bill-blame-trump-for-shutdown

She also criticizes Trump, which is what the crux of the opposition is REALLY all about. She said he gets an F for "big Fat failure" for his first year in office.



28 minutes ago, 12:40 p.m. the House says it will back a three week stop gap measure bill. Guess they don't want to be blamed for the shutdown.
http://thehill.com/homenews/house/369922-house-gop-backs-three-week-funding -bill



Paul Ryan, the eternal optimist and partisan peacemaker.
http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/house/369925-ryan-on-shutdown-this-is -utter-madness



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[Edited on 1/20/2018 by gina]


gina - 1/20/2018 at 06:30 PM

At some point, and maybe it will not be until re-election time rolls around for the Congressional members and the Senate, will Americans stand up and say enough of this extortion. We want a government that actually works for us, not one that holds people hostage until the partisan party members get what THEY want.

Time and time again, these pathetic civil servant pissants refuse to do their jobs with the honor and intregrity their positions require. They play games with people's lives, rather than voting honestly, ethically on any legislation put before them, they offer to sell their vote. It's always, well if you want me to vote for this, I have to get something out of it. I want this .... then they add on amendments to bills that have NOTHING to do with the original bill. That practice should be outlawed and these people exposed for what they are, a bunch of stubborn little bitches and pr*cks who are unworthy of the offices they hold. Should we call them a s-hole Congress?

They sit there thinking how the shutdown could effect their individual plans and lives, so they might vote for a 3 week stop gap measure so they can go on vacation, yet the people effected by the shutdown, the ones who still have to go to work with NO PAY, yet have mortgages and other life expenses they give no thought to them. They do not represent anyone but themselves, their comeuppance will come, as it must. They are a bunch of powerhungry extortionists PREVENTING America from becoming great again. They want it to fail, so they can have jobs to 'fix it', vote for them and they will fix it. Next time they are up for election, it's really simple, VOTE OUT THE INCUMBENTS who represent only themselves.





[Edited on 1/20/2018 by gina]


crazyjoe - 1/20/2018 at 06:31 PM

Well, I don't think the blame the Dems thing is gonna work. It's a pretty disgusting and indefensible stance being taken here by the hard right and by Trump and his ass kissers, OriginalGoober. He seems unwilling to take a stand decisively on anything, for fear of losing any group who will support him, even rascist hate groups. I saw all of em speak today, a lot of on both sides actually sounded rational, Ryan and McConnell sounded like that usual, clueless, idiot seives, Trump sounds like the biggest buffoon in all this as he usually does. For such an intelligent, stable person, he sure seems stupid???................Peace..........joe


gina - 1/20/2018 at 06:37 PM

Joe, the Democrats have been doing the lets ban together and vote as a bloc thing since the tax reform debates, they offered to vote for it IF they got concessions on DACA. DACA had nothing to do with tax reform, unless you reach for straws and say well the illegals do not pay taxes so that impacts taxes; their tactics are selling their votes IF they get concessions on other votable matters. Each issue, like DACA should be something voted on and negotiated on separately, that is my point, they should not hold America hostage on other issues to try to get something un-related.

Right now the issue is funding the government. The DACA children do not pay into the tax base or add monies that can be used in the budget, so that issue is un-related to funding the government. It needs to be dealt with separately, just like building the wall, which is a homeland security issue.


nebish - 1/20/2018 at 06:43 PM

I heard Schummers press conference a few minutes ago on the radio.

He highlighted something that really gets to the bottom line with this White House. He said when has had meetings with Trump, that Trump seems willing and interested in what they are discussing. But then afterwards somebody gets ahold of Trump and changes everything. And McConnell has in effect said the same thing.

The appeal with Trump was that he could be a deal maker and that he wasn't really a Republican. But his deal making potential (to the extent it exists) is hindered by willingness to (or reliance on) letting some members in the Republican party sway and shift his positions which result in counterproductive deal making.

What I had hoped with this President is that we might get some legislation that pulls some number of Democrats and loses some number of Republicans and we get something resembling compromise in governing. Sure, I expected, and think it is wise, you ask for the moon to start out with and then whittle it down to what is actually possible and palatable to enough people to get passage.

If we didn't live in this two party system and we had true independent thought rather duopoly group think we'd be much better off. But everything either has to fit in this box or that box and any beliefs that Trump actually has to go along with left or Democrat wishes are thwarted by the right.

So what we have is a Republican President that can't control his own party, but the party controls him. Maybe it is always kind of like that in one way or another in our system. But we are not getting true "deal making" that Trump was supposedly going to bring to Washington. Maybe it is more like, Trump isn't really changing Washington, Washington has changed him.


crazyjoe - 1/20/2018 at 06:47 PM

Gina, I think a lot of brave and hard working congress people are laying a lot on the line and working hard everyday, by refusing to buckle under the pressure of an oppressive, control and power fueled fascist administration. I think we saw some of that courage and resolution in the negotiations last night. My best to any Democrat or Republican who continues to fight for compassion and humanity and our Democracy...........Peace..........joe


crazyjoe - 1/20/2018 at 07:15 PM

I would say all Your assessments are probably correct nebish, I am just concerned that Trump's "dealmaking" historically has involved too much fraud and other criminal behavior............Peace.........joe


Bhawk - 1/20/2018 at 07:24 PM

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Funny, everyone hurry to blame the party you don't like.


I know, right? No way that ideology or beliefs factors into it at all.

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What is the root cause? Senate failures to pass budget appropriations. Be it Harry Reid or Mitch McConnell...the Senate is just flat broken.


Continuing Budget Resolutions or Continuing Appropriation Resolutions have been the way things have gone for almost 20 years. Obviously, there really isn't a need to go back and forth over a President's budget anymore, this is the way it is.

The 2013 shutdown was fun too...debt ceilings and Obamacare and Green Eggs and Ham filibusters.

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No actually, our country is broken.


Yup, almost exactly in half.


MartinD28 - 1/21/2018 at 12:00 AM

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Dems will own this one. DACA has zero to do with passing a budget. Let's see how far dems go before they realize the whole plan backfired.


Hey goob - Did you catch any of the "Womens Marches" all across this country today? They are gearing up & galvanizing to impact the vote in November, and by the way...not for Trump & the GOP. Much of the protests were aimed against Donald Trump and what he stands for. Did you hear any of the chants? Didn't hear any anti Schumer chants but heard many anti Trump chants. You will see the results come November. Stay tuned. In the meantime, if it makes you feel good you can parrot Ryan and Trump & blame Schumer (which is...by the way...spelled with one "m").


https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/second-women-s-march-draws-thousands-f ocuses-voting-n839476


OriginalGoober - 1/21/2018 at 03:55 PM

Did not democrats vote against the tax reform bill due to increasing the deficit concerns? Now the Schummer Shutdown drama comes because democrats WANT to increase the deficit for more benefits to illegals and other social program funding.

They are reeling from no consice message other than playing identity politics.


MartinD28 - 1/21/2018 at 04:21 PM

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Did not democrats vote against the tax reform bill due to increasing the deficit concerns? Now the Schummer Shutdown drama comes because democrats WANT to increase the deficit for more benefits to illegals and other social program funding.

They are reeling from no consice message other than playing identity politics.


goob - Who is Schummer? Might you be referring to Chuck Schumer?

The increase in projected deficit is a directly related to The GOP beautiful Tax Bill. I'll bet you had major problems with deficits when Obama was in office. Now Trump deficits are good. Supply side economics have been highly successful over time, correct?

Why is it that Trump was on board with Graham (GOP) and Durbin (Dem) plan and then undercut by the likes of Cotton & Purdue? You might want to look at that reason as a catalyst for the shutdown. The great negotiator has proven he really can't negotiate...maybe with real estate deals, payoffs to porn stars, and with Russians. On the other hand, it doesn't look like he has a grasp on the ability to do deals in gov't.


jkeller - 1/21/2018 at 04:26 PM

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Did not democrats vote against the tax reform bill due to increasing the deficit concerns? Now the Schummer Shutdown drama comes because democrats WANT to increase the deficit for more benefits to illegals and other social program funding.

They are reeling from no consice message other than playing identity politics.


Since DACA families are not eligible for welfare, this is not an issue. And even if it was, it would not increase the deficit anywhere near as much as the tax bill will.

Shutdown drama happened after Trump refused several bipartisan bills. This is on Trump. Now he missed his gala at Mar-a-Lago. (sniff, sniff) Who knew presidenting was so hard?

and now, Schumer is spelled S C H U M E R.


Muleman1994 - 1/21/2018 at 08:06 PM

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If 60 votes are needed how can you blame republicans?


Read the second sentence of my previous response. Trump put the country in this predicament. It is also his job as leader of the country to show some of his great negotiation skills to get us out of a situation of his own creation.



Obama put this DACA fiasco on the country with his "temporary" exec. order and putting the end date after his failed administration's exit.

Schumer and The Democrats voted against funding the Federal Government by insisting on blanket amnesty for millions of illegal aliens.

The budget passed in the House but The Senate Democrats shut down the government.

In a Fake News (formally known as CNN) poll the majority blamed The Democrats for the shutdown.

Schumer went to The White House last Friday to talk with President Trump. Schumer offered to fund the military. He also said he would vote to authorize the funds but refused to allocate the funds.
Agreeing to authorize but refusing to allocate the funds accomplishes nothing which is exactly what Schumer and The Democrats wanted. A shutdown.



gina - 1/21/2018 at 09:19 PM


I think it is pretty funny that Trump said if they want DACA passed, he wants his BUILD THE WALL approved by these Democratic holdouts. Trump doesn't back down to those who want to play hardball.


jkeller - 1/21/2018 at 09:23 PM

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I think it is pretty funny that Trump said if they want DACA passed, he wants his BUILD THE WALL approved by these Democratic holdouts. Trump doesn't back down to those who want to play hardball.


That wall will never be built. Besides, I thought Mexico was going to pay for it. Don't you remember when he said "believe me"?


2112 - 1/22/2018 at 01:04 AM

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I think it is pretty funny that Trump said if they want DACA passed, he wants his BUILD THE WALL approved by these Democratic holdouts. Trump doesn't back down to those who want to play hardball.


That wall will never be built. Besides, I thought Mexico was going to pay for it. Don't you remember when he said "believe me"?


If he can get Mexico to pay for it, then he can have his rediculous wall. He promised Mexico would pay for it, so he needs to have Mexico pay for it (not US taxpayers in any form). Why aren't his supporters angry at him for breaking his promise to have Mexico pay for the wall? That was his #1 campaign promise.


jkeller - 1/22/2018 at 01:11 AM

The weekend is winding down and The Great Negotiator met with no members of Congress about the shutdown.


What a leader!


MartinD28 - 1/22/2018 at 01:33 AM

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I think it is pretty funny that Trump said if they want DACA passed, he wants his BUILD THE WALL approved by these Democratic holdouts. Trump doesn't back down to those who want to play hardball.


That wall will never be built. Besides, I thought Mexico was going to pay for it. Don't you remember when he said "believe me"?


If he can get Mexico to pay for it, then he can have his rediculous wall. He promised Mexico would pay for it, so he needs to have Mexico pay for it (not US taxpayers in any form). Why aren't his supporters angry at him for breaking his promise to have Mexico pay for the wall? That was his #1 campaign promise.


They've forgotten about Mexico paying for the wall. They've moved onto the next tweet. Remember...you can't take Trump's words literally. That's just Trump being Trump. Not a big deal 'cause he & the 30 some percent are making America Great Again. The other approximately 60 + percent don't matter anyway.


MartinD28 - 1/22/2018 at 01:35 AM

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The weekend is winding down and The Great Negotiator met with no members of Congress about the shutdown.


What a leader!


Sad - no golf today. He couldn't make it to one of his properties this weekend to make $$$$ off of the Presidency. That sucks for capitalism.


Sang - 1/22/2018 at 05:18 AM

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Schumer and The Democrats voted against funding the Federal Government by insisting on blanket amnesty for millions of illegal aliens.



Well, at least we know what Mule's tagline will be for the next few days - and he'll keep doing it even though everyone here will tell him it's a lie.... nobody asked for blanket amnesty for anyone..... let the trolling begin!


2112 - 1/22/2018 at 05:47 AM

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I think it is pretty funny that Trump said if they want DACA passed, he wants his BUILD THE WALL approved by these Democratic holdouts. Trump doesn't back down to those who want to play hardball.


That wall will never be built. Besides, I thought Mexico was going to pay for it. Don't you remember when he said "believe me"?


If he can get Mexico to pay for it, then he can have his rediculous wall. He promised Mexico would pay for it, so he needs to have Mexico pay for it (not US taxpayers in any form). Why aren't his supporters angry at him for breaking his promise to have Mexico pay for the wall? That was his #1 campaign promise.


They've forgotten about Mexico paying for the wall. They've moved onto the next tweet. Remember...you can't take Trump's words literally. That's just Trump being Trump. Not a big deal 'cause he & the 30 some percent are making America Great Again. The other approximately 60 + percent don't matter anyway.


I don't know man. Trump was furious with Kelly a few days ago for saying on Fox News that Trumpís views on the wall were evolving. Not sure Trump knows what he wants, but he knows Mexico ain't paying for anything.

Trump fans sure loved his idea when Mexico was paying for it, but they don't seem to care that that promise was broken. I guess as long as Trump continues to show his dislike for people from non-white countries they will continue to worship him. In fact, even showing contempt for non-white parts of the US, such as Puerto Rico, seems to make his base happy.


nebish - 1/22/2018 at 02:21 PM

To say Mexico was going to pay for the wall was a ridiculous claim, the type that could only be made by a candidate who didn't think he could actually win an election.

Mexico was never going to pay for that wall directly. Anyone who believed it is irrational.

That is not the first time I've said those things.


nebish - 1/22/2018 at 02:25 PM

I don't know where the "blanket amnesty" line is coming from. Perhaps they mean that granting DACA illegal immigrants legals status would then also apply to their family members. So we aren't talking about just 700,000-800,000 people who came here as children, we are talking about a much larger number. I'm just trying to offer some reasoning since some people here do not reply to specific questions posed to them. Naturally we'd be better off if posters were willing to explain in further detail their points and positions with followups.

But those details on who exactly gets legal status gets worked out in the negotiating process....something that only a select number of Senators have been willing to do.

Personally, I don't know why DACA has to be linked to an extension to fund the government, but both sides play the game.


Muleman1994 - 1/22/2018 at 04:41 PM

The Senate Democrats are refusing to pass the budget already passed in The House to open the Federal Government.

The Democrats are insisting that the DAC matter be resolved and using their demand for blanket amnesty for millions of illegal aliens to hold the country hostage to their political agenda. The left of course does not mention that they have offered no legislation to resolve the illegal immigration issue.

The Democrats voice no problem with the budget. They simply want their political agenda.


nebish - 1/22/2018 at 05:30 PM

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The Democrats voice no problem with the budget. They simply want their political agenda.



There definitely is a agenda...there almost always is. I believe the Democrats have no "problem" with what is in the Continuing Resolution. If we were actually talking about a budget, there would be alot of "problems".




[Edited on 1/22/2018 by nebish]


Sang - 1/22/2018 at 07:40 PM

Guess I was right.......


Muleman1994 - 1/22/2018 at 10:03 PM

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The Democrats voice no problem with the budget. They simply want their political agenda.



There definitely is a agenda...there almost always is. I believe the Democrats have no "problem" with what is in the Continuing Resolution. If we were actually talking about a budget, there would be alot of "problems".




[Edited on 1/22/2018 by nebish]



Not according to your leaders there son.

We are talking about the only issue on the table and that is the budget, aka funding the government.

The loser lefties insist on blanket amnesty for millions of illegal aliens or a denial of security and services for The American People.


[Edited on 1/22/2018 by Muleman1994]


Muleman1994 - 1/22/2018 at 10:04 PM

Democrats cave to pressure from The American People:

The Senate on Monday voted 81-18 to break a Democratic filibuster on a government spending bill, clearing the way for Congress to approve the stopgap measure and end the three-day government shutdown.




jkeller - 1/22/2018 at 11:02 PM

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Democrats cave to pressure from The American People:

The Senate on Monday voted 81-18 to break a Democratic filibuster on a government spending bill, clearing the way for Congress to approve the stopgap measure and end the three-day government shutdown.






Once again, you missed the big picture. The government will be funded through Feb 8. In exchange for that, McConnell promised to open debate on DACA. This is something he promised before and the refused to do. If he fails this time, expect a government shutdown in Feb. and, we all know, McoConnel is a liar, so...


gina - 1/23/2018 at 12:27 AM

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I think it is pretty funny that Trump said if they want DACA passed, he wants his BUILD THE WALL approved by these Democratic holdouts. Trump doesn't back down to those who want to play hardball.


That wall will never be built. Besides, I thought Mexico was going to pay for it. Don't you remember when he said "believe me"?


If he can get Mexico to pay for it, then he can have his rediculous wall. He promised Mexico would pay for it, so he needs to have Mexico pay for it (not US taxpayers in any form). Why aren't his supporters angry at him for breaking his promise to have Mexico pay for the wall? That was his #1 campaign promise.


He still has plenty of time to get the wall financed, and even now there are companies working on the prototypes. Though I am beginning to think maybe we don't want the wall. What if WE need to get out, the wall could keep us in. Look at Arizona and Alabama epidemic/pandemic flu, when the hospitals are overloaded, they have to send those bodies someplace else to quarantine them don't they? Fema camps. We might very well want to get out of a country with pandemic illnesses, so maybe we need to rethink the wall. Jesse Ventura moved out and lives across the border in Mexico quite awhile back.


StratDal - 1/23/2018 at 12:35 AM

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To say Mexico was going to pay for the wall was a ridiculous claim, the type that could only be made by a candidate who didn't think he could actually win an election.

Mexico was never going to pay for that wall directly. Anyone who believed it is irrational.

That is not the first time I've said those things.


It's America. Lots of "irrational" out there. There's the KKK for starters.


nebish - 1/23/2018 at 12:59 AM

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Not according to your leaders there son.


Now that's a laugh! Who exactly would you say are my leaders? I voted for the same President you did, but we are quite different. I call things like I see it and try cast a different light on things. You on the other hand are blinded by Republican propaganda.


nebish - 1/23/2018 at 01:01 AM

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maybe we don't want the wall. What if WE need to get out, the wall could keep us in


Oh Gina. I just wanted to say thanks for being you and giving us moments like that one.


OriginalGoober - 1/23/2018 at 01:09 AM

So democrats answer when you have a hole in the boat is to buy a bigger bailer. Let's plug the leaks first and then deal with whats in the boat.


nebish - 1/23/2018 at 01:17 AM

Far left Democrats are not happy Senate leadership caved and allowed the CR vote to take the floor.

Progressives fume after vote to end government shutdown
https://www.cnn.com/2018/01/22/politics/progressive-senate-democrats-govern ment-shutdown/index.html

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"Today's cave by Senate Democrats -- led by weak-kneed, right-of-center Democrats -- is why people don't believe the Democratic Party stands for anything. These weak Democrats hurt the party brand for everyone and make it harder to elect Democrats everywhere in 2018," said Stephanie Taylor, the co-founder of the Progressive Change Campaign Committee, which represents what it calls the "Elizabeth Warren wing" of the party.
"It's official: Chuck Schumer is the worst negotiator in Washington -- even worse than Trump," said CREDO political director Murshed Zaheed.
Zaheed said Schumer was "outmaneuvered" by McConnell and "failed Dreamers and let the entire Democratic Party down."


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During a House Democratic Caucus meeting, Congressional Black Caucus Chairman Cedric Richmond of Louisiana blamed Schumer for making the whole debate about immigration, according to one Democrat in the meeting, saying about Senate Democrats, "They are getting their butts kicked."


Politics. Sometimes I just ask myself why to I want to care about this stuff.


OriginalGoober - 1/23/2018 at 01:20 AM

Schummer caves, gets very little in return. Well played, Mr. President.


BrerRabbit - 1/23/2018 at 01:54 AM

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What if WE need to get out, the wall could keep us in


Bingo. I said this here the day the issue came up. The original propaganda for the Berlin Wall was that it was to keep enemies out.

Either way . . . All in all it's just another brick in the wall


2112 - 1/23/2018 at 02:12 AM

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What if WE need to get out, the wall could keep us in


Bingo. I said this here the day the issue came up. The original propaganda for the Berlin Wall was that it was to keep enemies out.

Either way . . . All in all it's just another brick in the wall


Not sure why you are worrying about this. You can use the same ladders and tunnels the Mexicans will be using. The wall shouldn't slow you down much.


Muleman1994 - 1/23/2018 at 02:23 AM

President Trump signs bill ending government shutdown after 3 days

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/01/22/trump-signs-bill-ending-governme nt-shutdown-after-3-
days.html


jkeller - 1/23/2018 at 04:02 AM

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Schummer caves, gets very little in return. Well played, Mr. President.


Schumer got CHIP reinstated, a promise of a vote on DACA and no money allocated for the wall.

The Republicans got the government opened for 3 weeks. If they don't keep their promises, the government may be shut down again.

Trump had his weekend in Mar-a-Lago ruined. For all of the good he did, he should have gone there.



Edit: I guess I should add that Trump, the Great Negotiator, is useless in a crisis.

[Edited on 1/23/2018 by jkeller]


nebish - 1/23/2018 at 04:46 AM

If the Senate had just voted for cloture Friday night and put the CR from the House on the floor for a vote CHIP would've been reinstated without money for a wall. That was already the way it was from the House, nobody did that today for today's vote. Bunch of wasted time from people who are good at wasting time. So all 'they' got out of this was a promise to vote for DACA, and are we talking just DACA kids, or all DREAMers. And are we talking about the status of the parents that brought them here and then family reunification ability for other people not currently in the country? They going to go into regular order with committee, markups, amendments and everything? Wonder what that thing is going to look like? But they should vote on it. Put a bill together and put it to the floor for up or down votes. 'They' had to shut the government down for that?


BrerRabbit - 1/23/2018 at 05:16 AM

quote:
Not sure why you are worrying about this. You can use the same ladders and tunnels the Mexicans will be using. The wall shouldn't slow you down much


Wasn't too worried about it, but that's good advice. Probably just balloon across at night. The road to Acapulco is very hard indeed.


Muleman1994 - 1/23/2018 at 09:57 PM

Schumerís Political Stunt Fails, Democrats Blame Schumer:

Schumer bashed by the left over shutdown-ending deal
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/01/23/schumer-bashed-by-left-over-shut down-ending-deal.html

Schumer's shutdown performance sparks unrest in his ranks
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/01/22/government-shutdown-schumer-senat e-democrats-357866

Liberals livid after deal to end shutdown
Activist groups were angry at how the negotiations turned out, with some calling it '#SchumerSellout.'
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/01/22/government-shutdown-deal-liberals -angry-357268

Chuck Schumer Just Lost The Shutdown, Bigly
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/chuck-schumer-just-lost-the-shutdown -bigly/ar-AAv2iRy

Chuck Schumer faces fire from every corner of the Democratic Party over shutdown deal
https://mic.com/articles/187549/chuck-schumer-faces-fire-from-every-corner- of-the-democratic-party-over-shutdown-deal#.ozbAIF9dd

How Schumer Went From Being Face Of The Shutdown To The Face Of The Retreat
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/schumer-cave

Schumer's 'cave'? Shutdown deal puts spotlight on Dem leader
https://www.yahoo.com/news/schumers-moment-shutdown-puts-spotlight-dem-lead er-071540434.html

Democrats' Schumer draws criticism with deal to end shutdown
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/democrats-schumer-draws-criticism- deal-end-shutdown-52540267

A big loss for Schumer and the Democrats
http://www.cnn.com/2018/01/22/opinions/a-big-loss-for-schumer-and-democrats -opinion-jennings/index.html

Schumer's shutdown reveals: Democrats will destroy America just to spite Trump
http://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/369961-schumers-shutdown-reveals-dem ocrats-will-destroy-america-just-to-spite

Schumer in 2013: Democrats Would Never Be So Reckless as to Shut Down the Government Over, Say, Immigration
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2018/01/21/schumer-in-2013-democrat s-would-never-be-so-reckless-as-to-shut-down-the-government-over-say-immigr ation-n2437612



BrerRabbit - 1/23/2018 at 11:45 PM

Cool, nice to see you agree with Democrats on something, for a change.


pops42 - 1/24/2018 at 12:07 AM

The fact that mule boy & glueber think both sides agreeing to have talks on immigration to keep the govt. open for 3 more weeks!, is some kind of victory for trump and his lackey's, is pretty laughable. YOU are both uninformed and ignorant as usual.


2112 - 1/24/2018 at 12:20 AM

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The fact that mule boy & glueber think both sides agreeing to have talks on immigration to keep the govt. open for 3 more weeks!, is some kind of victory for trump and his lackey's, is pretty laughable. YOU are both uninformed and ignorant as usual.


Interesting that some here think that kicking the can down the road 3 weeks is a massive victory for Trump. I certainly don't want government shutdowns, but we will be in the exact same place again in 3 weeks if the Democrats and Republicans don't negotiate in good faith. Declaring a 3 week extension some kind of major political victory is kind of silly.


LUKE - 1/24/2018 at 01:10 AM

If we only had Hussein back in office.Just think,the WW2 Memorial would be shut down.And oh yeah,we'd most likely be having BLM blocking road's,people getting their head's cut off,riot's all over the damn place with town's getting burned down,Barack snubbing Israel,America getting to see the WH get lit up with the homosexual flag color's,pro Israel,anti abortion groups,The Tea Party and other's being targeted by the IRS.Oh what a glorious day it would.
Notice how not one person's name in this group was mentioned in that comment?But wait and see the reponse's.Gotta love them left winger's way of doing business.Agree with their love,free speech,peace and acceptance jive, and all is peachy.Voice your take and watch em start slobbering with blood dripping from their fang's.


BrerRabbit - 1/24/2018 at 04:11 AM

Nice pre-defensive frontloading there!


pops42 - 1/24/2018 at 04:15 AM

quote:
If we only had Hussein back in office.Just think,the WW2 Memorial would be shut down.And oh yeah,we'd most likely be having BLM blocking road's,people getting their head's cut off,riot's all over the damn place with town's getting burned down,Barack snubbing Israel,America getting to see the WH get lit up with the homosexual flag color's,pro Israel,anti abortion groups,The Tea Party and other's being targeted by the IRS.Oh what a glorious day it would.
Notice how not one person's name in this group was mentioned in that comment?But wait and see the reponse's.Gotta love them left winger's way of doing business.Agree with their love,free speech,peace and acceptance jive, and all is peachy.Voice your take and watch em start slobbering with blood dripping from their fang's.
So, you are good with nazi and klan groups LUKE?.


BrerRabbit - 1/24/2018 at 04:20 AM

In mexico we call em "sheet-heads".


StratDal - 1/24/2018 at 04:28 AM

quote:
If we only had Hussein back in office.Just think,the WW2 Memorial would be shut down.And oh yeah,we'd most likely be having BLM blocking road's,people getting their head's cut off,riot's all over the damn place with town's getting burned down,Barack snubbing Israel,America getting to see the WH get lit up with the homosexual flag color's,pro Israel,anti abortion groups,The Tea Party and other's being targeted by the IRS.Oh what a glorious day it would.
Notice how not one person's name in this group was mentioned in that comment?But wait and see the reponse's.Gotta love them left winger's way of doing business.Agree with their love,free speech,peace and acceptance jive, and all is peachy.Voice your take and watch em start slobbering with blood dripping from their fang's.


"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter." --Winston Churchill


BrerRabbit - 1/24/2018 at 04:40 AM

Cmon you liberal slackers, LUKE was gearing up for real blood drippin fang-barin slobberin action!


Wis608 - 1/24/2018 at 12:23 PM

This is hilarious!!! Gotta love the juvenile finger pointing from both sides on the whipping post Laughable!!! Makes great entertainment though. The self righteousness reeks from both sides. To think one party really knows more than the other(or what you are being fed and brainwashed to believe) is total ignorance This nation is so divided ,and it started waaaaaayyy before the "Donald" got elected and everybody's boyfriend Obama.


BrerRabbit - 1/24/2018 at 06:11 PM

quote:
This is hilarious!!! Gotta love the juvenile finger pointing from both sides on the whipping post Laughable!!! Makes great entertainment though. The self righteousness reeks from both sides. To think one party really knows more than the other(or what you are being fed and brainwashed to believe) is total ignorance This nation is so divided ,and it started waaaaaayyy before the "Donald" got elected and everybody's boyfriend Obama.


Hahahaha! Hilarious indeed! And entertaining, almost as amusing as your naive display of smug above-it-all superiority. "You are brainwashed and I am not" . .
LOL!!!


BoytonBrother - 1/24/2018 at 06:37 PM

quote:
If we only had Hussein back in office.Just think,the WW2 Memorial would be shut down.And oh yeah,we'd most likely be having BLM blocking road's,people getting their head's cut off,riot's all over the damn place with town's getting burned down,Barack snubbing Israel,America getting to see the WH get lit up with the homosexual flag color's,pro Israel,anti abortion groups,The Tea Party and other's being targeted by the IRS.Oh what a glorious day it would.
Notice how not one person's name in this group was mentioned in that comment?But wait and see the reponse's.Gotta love them left winger's way of doing business.Agree with their love,free speech,peace and acceptance jive, and all is peachy.Voice your take and watch em start slobbering with blood dripping from their fang's


Well Iím glad to see you rising above them Luke. Thank God for your kind and thoughtful way of doing business.


Bhawk - 1/24/2018 at 07:20 PM

Who is this "Schummer" guy, anyway? He sounds pretty important.


MartinD28 - 1/24/2018 at 09:48 PM

quote:
quote:
If we only had Hussein back in office.Just think,the WW2 Memorial would be shut down.And oh yeah,we'd most likely be having BLM blocking road's,people getting their head's cut off,riot's all over the damn place with town's getting burned down,Barack snubbing Israel,America getting to see the WH get lit up with the homosexual flag color's,pro Israel,anti abortion groups,The Tea Party and other's being targeted by the IRS.Oh what a glorious day it would.
Notice how not one person's name in this group was mentioned in that comment?But wait and see the reponse's.Gotta love them left winger's way of doing business.Agree with their love,free speech,peace and acceptance jive, and all is peachy.Voice your take and watch em start slobbering with blood dripping from their fang's


Well Iím glad to see you rising above them Luke. Thank God for your kind and thoughtful way of doing business.


On the verge of another thread being deleted?


BrerRabbit - 1/24/2018 at 10:38 PM

Nah - this thread is pretty tame.


BIGV - 1/25/2018 at 08:42 AM

quote:
quote:
If we only had Hussein back in office.Just think,the WW2 Memorial would be shut down.And oh yeah,we'd most likely be having BLM blocking road's,people getting their head's cut off,riot's all over the damn place with town's getting burned down,Barack snubbing Israel,America getting to see the WH get lit up with the homosexual flag color's,pro Israel,anti abortion groups,The Tea Party and other's being targeted by the IRS.Oh what a glorious day it would.
Notice how not one person's name in this group was mentioned in that comment?But wait and see the responses. Gotta love them left winger's way of doing business.Agree with their love,free speech,peace and acceptance jive, and all is peachy.Voice your take and watch em start slobbering with blood dripping from their fang's.


So, you are good with nazi and klan groups LUKE?.


So, if one disagrees with the left and its belief system, they are:

A) A nazi
B) Wrong
C) A Klan member
D) Ignorant

But under no circumstances are they allowed to just see things differently.


BoytonBrother - 1/25/2018 at 02:39 PM

quote:
So, if one disagrees with the left and its belief system, they are:

A) A nazi
B) Wrong
C) A Klan member
D) Ignorant

But under no circumstances are they allowed to just see things differently.


What a foolish and juvenile interpretation. I think it was the derogatory reference of Hussein and the homosexual lights on the WH, but keep being ignorant and stupid like Luke if thatís the crowd you want to be in.

You say ďif anyone disagrees with the leftĒ, as if weíre talking about favorite foods and movies, and as if conservatives donít do it too. For the past 9 years, all I hear from the right is constant Obama bashing and tears over his policies, but you only notice the left when they do it. You are are exposed as being bigoted towards half the country simply because of their values - no better than hating someone for the color of their skin. Itís the person, stupid, not the party.



[Edited on 1/25/2018 by BoytonBrother]


BrerRabbit - 1/25/2018 at 06:44 PM

So, if one disagrees with the right and its belief system, they are:

A) A commie
B) Wrong
C) A bloodthirsty genocidal maniac who wants Chicago blacks murdered.
D) Ignorant
E) Junior or son
F) A "slobbering monster with blood dripping from its fangs".(paraphrased)
E) A member of the MBLA
F) A "giant gaping rectal crevice". (direct quote)
G) A treasonous traitor who insults the flag.
H) A transsexual pervert who wants to use the wrong restroom.
I) A card carrying member of the Illuminati.
J) The Antichrist.


2112 - 1/26/2018 at 04:13 AM

quote:
C) A bloodthirsty genocidal maniac who wants Chicago blacks murdered.


This one is my favorite.


Muleman1994 - 1/26/2018 at 04:45 PM

quote:
quote:
quote:
If we only had Hussein back in office.Just think,the WW2 Memorial would be shut down.And oh yeah,we'd most likely be having BLM blocking road's,people getting their head's cut off,riot's all over the damn place with town's getting burned down,Barack snubbing Israel,America getting to see the WH get lit up with the homosexual flag color's,pro Israel,anti abortion groups,The Tea Party and other's being targeted by the IRS.Oh what a glorious day it would.
Notice how not one person's name in this group was mentioned in that comment?But wait and see the responses. Gotta love them left winger's way of doing business.Agree with their love,free speech,peace and acceptance jive, and all is peachy.Voice your take and watch em start slobbering with blood dripping from their fang's.


So, you are good with nazi and klan groups LUKE?.


So, if one disagrees with the left and its belief system, they are:

A) A nazi
B) Wrong
C) A Klan member
D) Ignorant

But under no circumstances are they allowed to just see things differently.



The left is all about diversity unless they don't like your opinion. If you say something they don't like you are labeled a nazi, wrong, a klan member or ignorant.

Its all good. The left no longer matters.


BrerRabbit - 1/26/2018 at 05:57 PM

quote:
Its all good. The left no longer matters.


If the left doesn't matter why is it the only thing you ever talk about?


Muleman1994 - 1/26/2018 at 06:02 PM

quote:
quote:
Its all good. The left no longer matters.


If the left doesn't matter why is it the only thing you ever talk about?



The failure of the left to offer anything for our country should be repeated.
Why is it the you never have a solution to anything to support?


BrerRabbit - 1/26/2018 at 06:11 PM

Its all good. The left no longer matters.


2112 - 1/26/2018 at 06:20 PM

quote:
Its all good. The left no longer matters.


Glad to hear you say this. Now you can't complain about anything the left does since it no longer matters.


Muleman1994 - 1/26/2018 at 06:54 PM

quote:
quote:
Its all good. The left no longer matters.


Glad to hear you say this. Now you can't complain about anything the left does since it no longer matters.



The failure of the left to offer anything for our country should be repeated.
Why is it the you never have a solution to anything to support?


BoytonBrother - 1/26/2018 at 08:46 PM

quote:
The failure of the left to offer anything for our country should be repeated.


Not sure what you mean here. It should be repeated by whom?

quote:
Why is it the you never have a solution to anything to support?


I think the issue is that nobody wants to talk to you. I'd be frustrated by that too. Carry on.


BrerRabbit - 1/26/2018 at 10:12 PM


BrerRabbit - 1/26/2018 at 10:52 PM

quote:
Why is it the you never have a solution to anything to support?


I know that some Man capable of giving our problems a final solution must appear. I have sought such a Man. I could nowhere discover Him . And that is why I have set myself to do the preparatory work; only the most urgent preparatory work, for I know that I am myself not, the One. And I know also what is missing in me. But the other One still remains aloof, and nobody comes forward, and there is no more time to be lost. - Adolph Hitler


Sang - 1/27/2018 at 06:04 AM

quote:
Nah - this thread is pretty tame.




Did another thread get deleted? I could swear I posted a comment in a thread today and it is no longer there.............


2112 - 1/27/2018 at 06:15 AM

quote:
quote:
Nah - this thread is pretty tame.




Did another thread get deleted? I could swear I posted a comment in a thread today and it is no longer there.............


Yes, it appears that the immigration thread got deleted. Seem like everytI'm Luke posts in a thread, it's gone the next day.


BrerRabbit - 1/27/2018 at 07:03 AM

Hahaha really? He didnt say anything too bad. Could have been that list I posted , some of it was in pretty poor taste, even if it was quotes from classic posts. if so, apologies to the webmaster.


BrerRabbit - 1/27/2018 at 07:06 AM

nevermind . that was in this thread. its all the same damn thread to me by now. Wonder what the unacceptable post was? Probably pretty good.


Muleman1994 - 1/29/2018 at 04:44 PM

So, the immigration thread got deleted.
Apparently the lefties could not come up with what the Democrats are offering as far as a solution.
That wasn't hard though.
The Democrats are proposing nothing... again.


Sang - 1/29/2018 at 04:59 PM

The democrats are not in power ..... I know you have to be reminded every five minutes......


Muleman1994 - 1/29/2018 at 05:05 PM

quote:
The democrats are not in power ..... I know you have to be reminded every five minutes......



60 votes. The fact that you are incapable of understanding.

Its all good.
President Trump and the Republicans won again and Schumer and the Democrats were embarrassed yet again.


BoytonBrother - 1/29/2018 at 05:26 PM

quote:
President Trump and the Republicans won again and Schumer and the Democrats were embarrassed yet again.
.


If your boss chooses a different idea than what had, you feel like you lost and get embarrassed? Aww, sorry Mule. You donít have to feel that way, you know.


Muleman1994 - 1/29/2018 at 05:54 PM

quote:
The weekend is winding down and The Great Negotiator met with no members of Congress about the shutdown.


What a leader!



Why bother?
President Trump knows that negotiating with someone who refuses to negotiate is pointless.

The Democrats want to deny security and services to The American People in their support for illegal aliens.
President Trump put a offer on the table to resolve the illegal immigration matter and the Democrats have no plan.


BoytonBrother - 1/29/2018 at 05:59 PM

All lies. No links to support this crap.


Muleman1994 - 1/29/2018 at 06:10 PM

quote:
All lies. No links to support this crap.



The links to President Trump's immigration plan are everywhere.
The are no links to the Democrats immigration plan as no plan exists.


BoytonBrother - 1/29/2018 at 06:18 PM

Show me a link tht says Dems want to deny services. You wonít find one. Prove it, Post it.


2112 - 1/29/2018 at 08:28 PM

quote:
quote:
The democrats are not in power ..... I know you have to be reminded every five minutes......



60 votes. The fact that you are incapable of understanding.

Its all good.
President Trump and the Republicans won again and Schumer and the Democrats were embarrassed yet again.




You need to make up your mind. Earlier in this thread you said the left no longer matter. Now your saying they do.

I'm still waiting to hear whether you support Amnesty Don's plan to offer citizenship to 1.8 million illegals. I don't want to hear you ask about a Democratic plan. I want to hear if you support Amnesty Don's plan.


Muleman1994 - 1/29/2018 at 11:03 PM

quote:
quote:
quote:
The democrats are not in power ..... I know you have to be reminded every five minutes......



60 votes. The fact that you are incapable of understanding.

Its all good.
President Trump and the Republicans won again and Schumer and the Democrats were embarrassed yet again.




You need to make up your mind. Earlier in this thread you said the left no longer matter. Now your saying they do.

I'm still waiting to hear whether you support Amnesty Don's plan to offer citizenship to 1.8 million illegals. I don't want to hear you ask about a Democratic plan. I want to hear if you support Amnesty Don's plan.



You actually think I give a sh!t what you think?

President Trump is not offering amnesty to the illegal alien criminals.



BrerRabbit - 1/29/2018 at 11:05 PM

Toxic


2112 - 1/29/2018 at 11:34 PM

quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
The democrats are not in power ..... I know you have to be reminded every five minutes......



60 votes. The fact that you are incapable of understanding.

Its all good.
President Trump and the Republicans won again and Schumer and the Democrats were embarrassed yet again.




You need to make up your mind. Earlier in this thread you said the left no longer matter. Now your saying they do.

I'm still waiting to hear whether you support Amnesty Don's plan to offer citizenship to 1.8 million illegals. I don't want to hear you ask about a Democratic plan. I want to hear if you support Amnesty Don's plan.



You actually think I give a sh!t what you think?

President Trump is not offering amnesty to the illegal alien criminals.



If you think they became criminals just by crossing the border (thus why they are called illegal aliens), then yes he did. Not just amnesty but citizenship.

That's part of his plan. You know it is and you are doing your best to deflect from it. You still haven't said whether or not you support that plan. From your response, I am assuming you publically support it because your hero offered it, yet you are actually embarrassed by it because of your dislike for Mexicans and if the Democrats were to have offered this same plan instead of Amnesty Don you wouldn't be able to shut up about the Democrats offering "blanket amnesty" to 1.8 million illegal aliens.


jkeller - 1/30/2018 at 12:10 AM

Somebody is imploding.


BrerRabbit - 1/30/2018 at 12:41 AM

Mule as a rule hates anything I like, so he is probably ambivalent about the amnesty. I think it is a fair and decent decision by the President. Something big needed to happen on this.However, the 25 billion $ would be better spent on education and jobs programs for such a huge influx of new citizens, as well as current citizens.


2112 - 1/30/2018 at 01:52 AM

quote:
Mule as a rule hates anything I like, so he is probably ambivalent about the amnesty. I think it is a fair and decent decision by the President. Something big needed to happen on this.However, the 25 billion $ would be better spent on education and jobs programs for such a huge influx of new citizens, as well as current citizens.


If his fans held him to his campaign rhetoric, what they would see this as is giving 1.8 million illegal aliens citizenship, and giving Mexico $25 million in US taxpayer dollars since he's now willing to pay for something he promised Mexico would. It seems some conservatives now see this for what it is, but I'm sure Mule still loves it for no reason other than many Democrats still don't like it.


MartinD28 - 1/30/2018 at 12:51 PM

quote:
quote:
Mule as a rule hates anything I like, so he is probably ambivalent about the amnesty. I think it is a fair and decent decision by the President. Something big needed to happen on this.However, the 25 billion $ would be better spent on education and jobs programs for such a huge influx of new citizens, as well as current citizens.


If his fans held him to his campaign rhetoric, what they would see this as is giving 1.8 million illegal aliens citizenship, and giving Mexico $25 million in US taxpayer dollars since he's now willing to pay for something he promised Mexico would. It seems some conservatives now see this for what it is, but I'm sure Mule still loves it for no reason other than many Democrats still don't like it.


His loyalists have long forgotten what he said on campaign trail. He has wiped the historical record clean & made America great again all by himself in a year. Nothing prior to 2017 matters & had no impact. The world loves him, his popularity / approval ratings are off the charts. He truly has America behind him.


Muleman1994 - 1/31/2018 at 11:01 PM

quote:
quote:
quote:
Mule as a rule hates anything I like, so he is probably ambivalent about the amnesty. I think it is a fair and decent decision by the President. Something big needed to happen on this.However, the 25 billion $ would be better spent on education and jobs programs for such a huge influx of new citizens, as well as current citizens.


If his fans held him to his campaign rhetoric, what they would see this as is giving 1.8 million illegal aliens citizenship, and giving Mexico $25 million in US taxpayer dollars since he's now willing to pay for something he promised Mexico would. It seems some conservatives now see this for what it is, but I'm sure Mule still loves it for no reason other than many Democrats still don't like it.


His loyalists have long forgotten what he said on campaign trail. He has wiped the historical record clean & made America great again all by himself in a year. Nothing prior to 2017 matters & had no impact. The world loves him, his popularity / approval ratings are off the charts. He truly has America behind him.


Sucks to be a loser doesn't it son?

President Trump. The Republicans and The American people keep winning and the left is embarrassed yet again.

Now run back to your little safe space and cower.


2112 - 2/1/2018 at 01:14 AM

quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
Mule as a rule hates anything I like, so he is probably ambivalent about the amnesty. I think it is a fair and decent decision by the President. Something big needed to happen on this.However, the 25 billion $ would be better spent on education and jobs programs for such a huge influx of new citizens, as well as current citizens.


If his fans held him to his campaign rhetoric, what they would see this as is giving 1.8 million illegal aliens citizenship, and giving Mexico $25 million in US taxpayer dollars since he's now willing to pay for something he promised Mexico would. It seems some conservatives now see this for what it is, but I'm sure Mule still loves it for no reason other than many Democrats still don't like it.


His loyalists have long forgotten what he said on campaign trail. He has wiped the historical record clean & made America great again all by himself in a year. Nothing prior to 2017 matters & had no impact. The world loves him, his popularity / approval ratings are off the charts. He truly has America behind him.


Sucks to be a loser doesn't it son?

President Trump. The Republicans and The American people keep winning and the left is embarrassed yet again.

Now run back to your little safe space and cower.




Mule's trolling game seems to be off as of late. Not much material to work with I guess. Or maybe those medications they are feeding him at the funny farm have been affecting his trolling ability. I'm finding it just sad really.


Sang - 2/1/2018 at 05:34 AM

His Russian bot must be broken - it's spits out the same garbage over and over............


BoytonBrother - 2/1/2018 at 11:22 AM

sucks to be a loser.......he would know.


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