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  posted on 1/6/2012 at 05:43 PM
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There are 792 tickets still available for the 3.24.12 show. Just have to go to StubHub to buy them. That is over 25% of the capacity of the Beacon. Unreal. I'll pass on the FU Package this year.


This is a pretty damning statement about the process.

Brock makes a great point, the secondary prices are so far above face that the face price, as crazy as this may sound, is way too low.

For those that say the band doesn't care, I suggest that this means they DO care.

If the scalpers are getting that much more than face, the band is leaving money on the table by not charging MORE for the initial sale. One way to keep scalpers out is to raise prices high enough that they can't make money. Sadly, that would price out some fans altogether. At least this way, they have SOME chance, and those that can afford to pay more, can still do so, but the Band doesn't get the money.

 

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  posted on 1/6/2012 at 06:08 PM
Scalpers sell because people buy.

I wonder how many people bitch about this every year then buy tickets from scalpers?

I know of quite a few. In fact some seem to be quite proud of it - as in, "Yeah, I paid $$$$ for x tickets", like it takes some kind of skill.

The saddest thing of all is that the majority of scalper's customers aren't even fans of whatever band's tickets are on sale. They are just lazy thrill-seekers who heard that the event in question has a buzz around it and if it's sold out they scalp a seat and then brag to their peers how "they knew someone with the band" who hooked them up with tickets.

The next time you legitimately score a really good seat take a look around you. Chances are a good majority of those around are people you've never seen at shows by that band before and probably won't see again. Most of the time they aren't watching the band, have no idea of the band's history (PLAY RAMBLIN' MAN! WHERE'S DICKEY?) are VERY obnoxious - that is, when they're in their seats - most of the time they're running back and forth to the bar, and eventually succumb and wind up just hanging there, thank God.
And they are the LOUDEST a-holes anywhere near you.

And when someone asks them how the show was the next day, the answer is: "Oh man, I was really wasted, I don't really remember too much. I paid a scalper $500 for my ticket."

And they're PROUD of it.

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  posted on 1/6/2012 at 06:13 PM
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If you look at the tickets offered on Stubhub, you will find very few offered for the front orchestra- lost of middle to rear orchestra, upper balcony etc. You also will find very few people here that got any those seats in either the pre-sale or general sale.



Hey Alan, there's a steal of a deal on Stubhub for Saturday March 17th:
Orchestra Center row AA $7,693.00 a ticket. Great huh?
Oh wait here's a more economical one:
Orchestra Center row BB $6,155.00 a ticket. Much better.
Wait, even better still -
Orchestra Center row CC $5,129.00
Maybe I'll just buy 4 seats and blow over $20,000.00 on one night.
My kid doesn't really need any help with college tuition.
Oh wait I forgot - row DD (not center)
An incredible bargain at $3,590.00 a seat and they're giving out free bruised apples at Fairview across the street same day of the show. Can't wait!




that's unbelievable. I don't think I could walk out of any concert feeling like I just experienced a 7 thousand dollar moment. I don't care how much money I have.


Closer to $8K.

 

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  posted on 1/6/2012 at 06:26 PM
who ever is reading this now, I just pulled a single seat in Orchestra row G - very close to the center aisle on Gregg's side.
It's weird how tickets pop up when you keep trying.

 

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  posted on 1/6/2012 at 06:44 PM
This is what I posted in another thread on Monday right after the peach pre sale .

I couldn't be happier with what I got ... NOTHING !
I looked for mid week shows , also assuming most people want the fri,sat,sun shows .
I looked for 2 ,3 and 4 tix ...... Best Available choice with fees in lower balc was $171 per .

I will happily take a stand once again and not give in to the corporate greed and stay home .

I looked back at some tix from the mid 2000's
06' row A one night and row J another $84.99/11.15 fee
05' row F one night and row R another night $74.10/10.66fee
04' row D one night and row DD another $74.99/10.40 fee
09 row R one night and row T another $100.99/14.95fee
just for $hits and giggles
1995 ( Radio City ) one night DD $50.00/no fee , another night row FF $50.00/ no fee

We're all adults , and we can all make choices right or wrong . I just refuse to dump good money into an overpriced ticket for my favorite band .



That being said , I paid no attention to today's regular sale , why bother .

Out of curiosity ,I just checked TM for Wed 14th .... Surprisingly , Row K seats 25/27 popped up .... That's REALLY good , all things considered !!!!!! At $171each , someone else can have them !!!!!

 

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  posted on 1/6/2012 at 09:36 PM
Here's a fact - Concert promoters and sports teams will deny, deny, deny, but many of those best seats on Stub Hub and CL listed for thousands are put there by them. It's all part of them testing the market. When fools pay exorbitant prices for event seating so they can be "part of the scene", or out of desperation just because they have deep pockets it sets the market for the pricing of all seating. How else can you explain same seats showing up just days or hours before an event at listed prices when, if a scalper bought them through proper channels, which are final, non-returnable sales, suddenly appear? They can't return them, can they? Only the organizers have that luxury.

 

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  posted on 1/6/2012 at 09:43 PM
I know if I was a manager or a band member and tix for my act/band had a face value of 125 bucks. I would not be kewl if an individual or company was making two or three timrs the money on a single ticket than me. If I was getting a percentage of the inflated price, perhaps I wouldn't mind.

 

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  posted on 1/6/2012 at 09:49 PM
All the band has to do is follow Springsteens lead of a few years ago---it's that simple..
 
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  posted on 1/6/2012 at 10:05 PM
Not sure why the ABB and other bands don't have a loyalty system like Pearl Jam. You pay a yearly fee to the Ten Club fan club.
When a concert tour is announced they have a pre-sale for the fan club members. All of the dates are open to all of the eligible club members.

You have to be a club member for a minimum amount of time to particapate.

Senoirity in the fan club gets the best available seats and there you go. You forget to pay your yearly dues back of the seniority line you go. The band does not have to put all of the great seats aside for their club but they can mark out a section for fan club members at reduced prices even.

With Pearl Jam you also don't know what seat you got until you get to the venue. That screws the scalper. No sales in between the pre-sale date and the date of the concert.

Also Pearl Jam reserves a row or two for lottery seats. All fan club members have a chance at seats in rows 1, 2 and 9 and 10. Its awesome.

It only requires an extra ticket window for club members and all are happy. Pearl Jam does this at every show.

The ABB needs to step up and appreciate your loyalty not step on it.

 

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  posted on 1/6/2012 at 11:16 PM
Yup!

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All the band has to do is follow Springsteens lead of a few years ago---it's that simple..



Anyone know who the promoter is?


 

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  posted on 1/6/2012 at 11:35 PM
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Not sure why the ABB and other bands don't have a loyalty system like Pearl Jam. You pay a yearly fee to the Ten Club fan club.
When a concert tour is announced they have a pre-sale for the fan club members. All of the dates are open to all of the eligible club members.

You have to be a club member for a minimum amount of time to particapate.

Senoirity in the fan club gets the best available seats and there you go. You forget to pay your yearly dues back of the seniority line you go. The band does not have to put all of the great seats aside for their club but they can mark out a section for fan club members at reduced prices even.

With Pearl Jam you also don't know what seat you got until you get to the venue. That screws the scalper. No sales in between the pre-sale date and the date of the concert.

Also Pearl Jam reserves a row or two for lottery seats. All fan club members have a chance at seats in rows 1, 2 and 9 and 10. Its awesome.

It only requires an extra ticket window for club members and all are happy. Pearl Jam does this at every show.

The ABB needs to step up and appreciate your loyalty not step on it.


That Pearl Jam 10 club isn't as great as it sounds. I belonged for about 5 years and got crappy tickets for every show I went to through them. Last one was at MSG and I could have gotten better tickets the day before the show then they gave me so I didn't re up for the club. The only other benefit was a Christmas single they would usually send you in the form of an old 45 record. Since I didn't even have a phonograph or record player those were useless as well.

That being said, what the ABB or whoever sets the prices are charging for the good seats and the VIP packages are nothing short of highway robbery. I used to do three or four shows per run doing mostly loge but now I have cut it back to one show sitting in loge. Sign of the times. Glad I caught them a boatload of times at the Beacon when prices were reasonable. Thank God for bands like Mule, TTB, and Hot Tuna who still have reasonable prices.

 

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  posted on 1/7/2012 at 01:05 AM
I would go see a double bill with the ABB and Widespread Panic in the summer. That would be fun. I hear Ratdog is getting back together. Maybe all three bands? (If they all could keep their ego's/needs in check. Ha ha.) That would be a great six hours of music. PNC, places in NYS, PA and Boston. Why I would even throw in an Ohio date and few dates in the South. Ok, even three dates out West. For the love of music, they could do it. Not a long tour. Three-four weeks tops.






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  posted on 1/7/2012 at 05:29 AM
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Not sure why the ABB and other bands don't have a loyalty system like Pearl Jam.


"That is not where the money is"

 

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  posted on 1/7/2012 at 11:07 AM
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Not sure why the ABB and other bands don't have a loyalty system like Pearl Jam...

The ABB needs to step up and appreciate your loyalty not step on it.


Why sould they "step up"? The tickets sell out, and would still sell out if there was no Peach Corps pre-sale, or if none of the regular posters on this site bought tickets. That's what they care about, not fan loyalty. Like BigV says, that's not where the money is. This is not a new band trying to build a fan base, it's an old one milking its cash cow.

 

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  posted on 1/7/2012 at 01:00 PM
I agree with you Alan. I don't however think they are milking the fan base because they are inherently bad or corrupt people. They each have been preoccupied with their individual reasons. Plus the fans have let them get away with it. They can't expect however, that ALL fans will go along with the program forever. The ABB needs a new well produced cd if they want to retain their position. It isn't necessary for them to put the money, resources and time into going out side of the Ticketmaster/Live Nation framework. But they absolutely need some new music. Not just for Gregg, but for the whole band.
 

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  posted on 1/7/2012 at 01:09 PM
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That Pearl Jam 10 club isn't as great as it sounds. I belonged for about 5 years and got crappy tickets for every show I went to through them.


I did alright through ten club even won the lottery one year and had row 9 which turned into row 1.

It all depends on the number of Ten Club members wanting tickets foir that show. I would think a show at MSG draws from what 15 million people? I can see where ten club wouldn't come through for you against those odds but you did get a seat.

I live in Vancouver and if there is not a Seattle show on the tour many of the early Ten Club members make the journey north and then Eddie slags the folks from Seattle for taking the best seats and not ripping it up like the Canadians sitting further back in the audience.

Your point about the free xmas 45, go buy a stinking record player already. Its 2012.

All I was giving was an example of how the band could reward loyalty and keep the scalpers involment to a minimum.

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  posted on 1/7/2012 at 02:26 PM
Just a head's up, I was looking right now for tickets for the 16th and som showed up, I think the key is to keep trying.
 

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  posted on 1/10/2012 at 11:32 AM
My buddy is a long time member of the Ten Club, and I'm not going to bag on them.
He got real good seats to shows in Philadelphia (including the final show in the Spectrum) a section or two off the left hand side about 25 rows up, and a show in Newark that we were side stage right about 20 rows up for.

And as mentioned, MSG shows are pretty tough to get for, but at least your in the building.

As for ABB, I scored some seats for the 3/26 and 3/28 in 2009, that were the back of the Mezzanine, and were completely happy with those. But I can understand some people's frustration with trying to purchase tixs as they go on sale, and getting stuff in the back of the hall.

Its frustrating, but the ironic part about all that is that, the ticket sellers, promoters, hall operators, nor band EVER know whats going on, and when called on, start pointing fingers at each other, with no answers.

 

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  posted on 1/10/2012 at 12:01 PM
I was able to put together the three first shows last yr after the pre and regular sale had taken place. Admittedly, I just needed two singles and a pair, but I was able to do it. And the complaining after the regular onsale last yr was very similar to this.

I don't get it though. I looked at the presale this yr just for fun, and was able to get 4 for Orch J on a Sat night, for example. AMEX had plenty too. Maybe AMEX sold most of the tix before the onsale, and that's why the reg sale was slim pickins.

AMEX has done a presale for how many yrs now? If someone was really motivated to get Beacon tix, why not get a card last Nov? They do offer no annual fee cards.

As for the Stubhub listings, I bet alot of those listings are speculative. Further, how do we know that a good number of the tix that are listed are not owned by "real fans?" Say that real fan lists them at some outrageous price, and if an idiot buys them, fine. If not, said real fan goes to the show.

My point is, how many of the complainers passed up both presales, gambling on better in the regular sale? If you gamble and lose, well, those are the breaks.

 

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  posted on 1/10/2012 at 12:25 PM
@Angela, I don't think the band is evil, just doing what makes economic sense. The fact that the shows are selling out means "the fans" accept the process, and not just "the fans" on this website, who are a tiny minority of the ticket buyers out there.

@Bluesclues, thiis IS a fair playing field, just like every state lottery is a fair playing field. But your chances of winning anything more than a few bucks is minimal. Same deal for tickets. The demand is outstripping the supply. And if you want to add to your collection of shows, head on over to TRADES and walk the legal line.

@ Brock, I don't think it makes that much difference if you have AMEX, use the pre-sale, or the general sale. Years ago, Kirk West said in a response to one of these threads that the band holds about 10% of the tickets. The last few years, they have offered VIP packages for the front orchestra, and I am sure that covers a much greater piece of the ticket pool. That means there are not many table scraps for the rest of the world.

Like I posted earlier, the Stubhub and other scalper sites have the same crappy seats that everyone else got, if they got lucky- side and read orchestra, back of the loge and upper balcony. If they had direct access, they would have much better seats.

I agree with you about the "speculative" offers- scalpers often put up seats they don't have, then go looking for substitutes when they get offers.

Like you and others have said, if you want to get in the house, check several times a day, especially as March approaches. The unsold VIP seats will get released and the day of the show, the band drops their extras.

 

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  posted on 1/10/2012 at 01:34 PM
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I agree with you on a number of points, but the reality is that tickets on stub hub (as reported on this site) we're posted right away at 10 am. Yes some of these might be speculation, but would kinda of doubt it. If we need to get an Amex card to get tickets, make that known. That's the real issue about being pissed off, you want your fans to respect the bands wishes which is fine, but the band and their management needs to show some respect back to the fans. Let's face it, their not going to keep this going forever, but selling out to ticket scam agencies which are nothing but organized criminals who had the laws changed to protect themselves is not acceptable. I don't pretend to have all the answers, but silence on the bands take on this is a piss poor way to show respect to the people who have supported you and your live style for many long years.


The band HAS spoken loud and clear, for several years now. We just don't like what they have to say. The shows sell out (or close enough to it) and they get paid lots of money. End of story.

Before Ticketmaster started selling online, the situation was no better. If you were not at the box office or could not get through on the phone, as frequently happened, you got no tickets. the only difference now is the price.

 

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  posted on 1/10/2012 at 04:37 PM
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I agree with you on a number of points, but the reality is that tickets on stub hub (as reported on this site) we're posted right away at 10 am. Yes some of these might be speculation, but would kinda of doubt it. If we need to get an Amex card to get tickets, make that known. That's the real issue about being pissed off, you want your fans to respect the bands wishes which is fine, but the band and their management needs to show some respect back to the fans. Let's face it, their not going to keep this going forever, but selling out to ticket scam agencies which are nothing but organized criminals who had the laws changed to protect themselves is not acceptable. I don't pretend to have all the answers, but silence on the bands take on this is a piss poor way to show respect to the people who have supported you and your live style for many long years.


Maybe they were up at 10 am on the general sale date because the resellers had already bought in the AMEX presale. I know that the AMEX presale has been happening for at least 3 yrs now (maybe 4 or more). If you've been following this site as you say, or the Beacon site or the TM site over these yrs you would have known that too.

Someone is going to be sitting in the scalped seats. How do we know they have not been following the band just as long as we have? I do not feel the band owes me anything after a perfomance concludes, like guarantees of easy cheap tix in the future.

Sure, ticket buying is a chore. But for those that do their homework (and have good credit), it can be done. I am convinced that much of the reselling activity is because the average ticket buyer does not have his s@#t together.

 

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  posted on 1/10/2012 at 09:01 PM
everybody should be able to sit in the first row dead center for 25 dollars.....seriously,the only complaint i have is the number of tickets obviously held back and given to people who then scalp then re-sell them...there are kickbacks etc going on and that is frustrating...otherwise it is no different than any other supply and demand situation...you want an ipad the day it comes out?good luck unless you sleep outside the apple store...not much you can do about it....in terms of the band making money and charging what they can get?well,again..thats life...i wish i could buy a BMW for 20,000 bucks but it aint gonna happen!
 
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