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  posted on 11/7/2013 at 09:47 PM
I think Martin definitely did the right thing walking away. People who are on the receiving end of this type of thing are the ones who bring a gun to school or work and start shooting. This could have been much uglier. I blame the Dolphins coaching staff as much as I blame that ignorant redneck d-bag Incognito.

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  posted on 11/7/2013 at 10:01 PM
It just got uglier. Here is another text from an un-named teammate:

Quote from teammate: 'We are going to run train on your sister... She loves me. I am going to f--- her without a condom and c** in her c***.'"

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  posted on 11/7/2013 at 10:42 PM

Lawyer: Martin's treatment exceeded hazing
Fins' McKinnie: Martin to blame for firestorm

Many lawyers will make some serious coin off this case -- it's gonna get ugly


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Former NFL Player on Bullying: I Was the Team 'Weirdo' on New York Jets
By Ryan Riddle(Featured Columnist) on November 7, 2013

Next I’ve written numerous insider-perspective articles regarding my time in the NFL since becoming a proud member of the Bleacher Report family, but perhaps none has left me as vulnerable or as introspective as the complicated topic surrounding the Jonathan Martin-Richie Incognito saga.

This platform will serve primarily as a reactionary narrative intertwined with my own personal experience of being the “weirdo” on an NFL football team.

One thing that cannot be questioned is that Jonathan Martin has gone through an incredible amount of personal anguish. It’s extremely important we consider the level of stress he must have been under to risk his career and good standing in the NFL when he walked out on everything and everyone associated with the Miami Dolphins.

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Underneath the lights, behind the glamour and just below the fame of professional football exists a culture and environment so harsh and so unforgiving that it could never hold up to the political correctness of a normal workplace scenario.

Ricky Williams’ interpretation of this ordeal, via 95.7 The Game, provides a unique (and what I believe to be an accurate) context regarding the culture of the NFL.

Here’s an excerpt from the Williams interview:

How is bullying something that's even mentioned regarding the NFL? Because that's kind of what we're taught to do—at least on the field—is to bully the guy across from us so we can win the football game.

It's kind of what we're subjected to on a day-to-day basis that most people will never be able to understand… What we're required to do physically, mentally and emotionally for the course of a season is astronomical—it's amazing. And I'm not saying that it's bad. I'm saying it just really speaks to what it takes to be a professional football player. And to me there's no room to play the victim or to be bullied or to even have that discussion when it comes to the NFL. If you're having that discussion, it just means that maybe you don't belong in the NFL.

I too have experienced some of the very stresses that would eventually take a 6'5", 310-pound man to the brink of his own sanity. Like Martin, I am of a mixed-race background, with a black father and a white mother. Both Martin and I are products of academically prestigious college environments and just so happen to be soft spoken, quiet and, at times, socially awkward.

Even now I cringe to reveal this about myself on such a public platform. Though these things may seem trivial, understand just how difficult it is to divulge some of my more carefully guarded weaknesses to thousands of strangers.


Considering much of the bullying components regarding Martin seem to be connected to rookie hazing, perhaps it’s a good idea to start there.

When I was drafted out of the University of California by the Oakland Raiders, I was indeed aware of the horror stories about being a rookie in the NFL and some of the things league veterans did to mess with you. Not surprisingly, none of that could compete with the excitement of having an opportunity to play football on the biggest stage in the world and make a ton of money.

Not bad for a kid who quit football for two years right after high school, declining several scholarship offers along the way because the idea of playing football in college was, quite frankly, an intimidating prospect from a physicality standpoint.

As you can imagine, the details and methods of hazing vary considerably from team to team, and even position to position. My experience with this process was nearly entirely a positive one in Oakland.

I was expected to carry the shoulder pads and helmets of the veteran linebackers and defensive linemen after practice. On travel days, the rookies were forced to drive to the nearest Popeye and buy food for their entire position group to be consumed in transit from 30,000 feet up. Although this caused some moments of stress when trying to get back before the team bus' departure, it was generally accepted and understood as a justifiable duty.

For flights, rookies had to wait after the veterans before sitting on the plane. During preseason, when the roster is at 90 players, finding a good seat on the plane can be a real challenge.

Training camp offered more opportunities for veterans to flex their muscles, as rookies were subjected to horrific haircuts that ranged from creative to just plain ugly. My haircut fell in the realm of the latter.

To be honest, I enjoyed having the veterans collaborate on my haircut while initiating me into the family. It generated a lot of laughs and lingers in my memory as one of the best bonding moments of my first NFL training camp.

Next came the highly entertaining rookie show. This show was supervised and accepted by the coaches. The event was something most of the team looked forward to and saw as a rare, light-hearted form of entertainment as well as a rite of passage for first-year guys.

As a generally shy person who avoided the spotlight, anticipation for this day was nerve-racking to say the least.

A few fellow rookies and I decided to team up for a skit that would mock a typical post-practice meeting for the defense. My role was to impersonate the defensive line coach, Keith Millard, who happened to be one of the more colorful characters I'd ever met.

The performance turned out to be legendary, as the quiet guy who didn’t say a whole lot performed the most immaculate impersonation of Coach Millard they had ever seen. Players were rolling on the floor in uncontrollable laughter.

As a matter of fact, I would eventually be subjected to endless requests by both coaches and players to recreate my performance from that night. Cornerback Nnamdi Asomugha and several other vets said it was the best rookie-show performance they'd ever seen.

Had it not been for the rookie show, I don’t think I would have ever made so many friends or felt as connected to the team. That entire process really allowed the team to get to know another side of me, which made me more approachable in the long run.

Hazing Gone too Far?

One night during the early weeks of the regular season, several of the defensive players decided to go into San Francisco for a rookie dinner. They rented a limousine and swooped up as many rookies and veterans on the defensive side as they could. The decision to have this event on that particular night was either a surprise or spontaneous, because I was actually hosting family and friends that day who drove up from Los Angeles to visit and was unavailable.

The next day I discovered that I owed $5,000 to the veterans for a dinner in which I took no part in—sound familiar?

Rather than make any waves, I wrote them the check the next day. Apparently, they bought every single bottle of the most expensive champagne in the restaurant and would have bought more had the supply not been completely exhausted.

Although it seemed excessive, I was thankful to be in the position to do this and understood it was a one-time deal that is part of a long tradition. I wished I was there to enjoy it.

This was more or less the extent of my hazing experience as a rookie, aside from the constant reminders of your status by being universally referred to as “Rook” from the veterans.

It should be understood that general forms of rookie hazing are not some terrifying epidemic that needs to be eradicated, but rather a special ritual that, when done properly, can help cement new relationships, show respect to those who came before us, and incubate a healthy chemistry within the locker room.

However, like most things, this too can be implemented improperly through malice or other dysfunctions. Moreover, you never really know how an individual is going to react to being in such a submissive and vulnerable position.

In an article published in The New York Times in 1998, Mike Freeman talks about the evolution of hazing in football over the years.

The Weirdo

After I was released by the Raiders during my second season, I would eventually sign with the New York Jets during the third week of the 2006 season. This was then-head coach Eric Mangini’s first year with the team, and he was in the process of reinventing the culture of the organization.

Keep in mind that being cut from an NFL team can be a tremendously traumatic experience and often leaves a long-lasting hangover.

I was still struggling to come to terms with being released by the Raiders while trying to transition into an entirely new team, with entirely new players, in an entirely new city on the other side of the country.

Considering that most of the team bonding occurs during the many months of the offseason and in training camp, I was intrinsically placed into the outsider role and forced to fight my way out with a high investment in the social realm. Considering I was behind the eight ball in learning the defensive playbook, finding a place to live, buying a car and familiarizing myself with basic life necessities, I put the need to bond with teammates on the lower end of my priorities.

To the guys in the Jets locker room, I represented the departure of a person they'd already grown to like. I represented the ever-present awareness of the borrowed time we’re all living on.

Not only was I the new guy, but I was also more reserved and quiet than most. I gave people little opportunities to get to know me.

At lunch, I dreaded having to make a decision on which table full of strangers I was going to sit with. Generally, I would gravitate toward a table that best represented my wave length—perhaps one with philosophical debate or enjoyable personal stories. This was not a normal option. The choices were often limited to endless ragging on each other about bad haircuts, hunting or who the best rapper alive is.

To make matters worse, I had no real way of entering in on many of those conversations, as inside jokes and character boundaries had already been established. In addition, there was always this endless feeling of having to study for a big test that would be taken during reps at practice. While everyone else was months into the playbook, I was days into it.

It’s important to mention that intelligent and thoughtful players are found in every locker room across the NFL landscape. My inability to bond and fit in was largely the product of my own insecurities and self-perception.

I was definitely struck by the contrast in locker-room dynamics from the Raiders to the Jets. In New York. the culture was much more abrasive. The locker-room banter seemed to be fraught with belittling one another; it was a dynamic I was neither well-versed in nor good at navigating through.

As the weeks went by I did eventually make friends and had some interactions here and there, but my tendencies as a quiet and withdrawn person were carrying the majority of the momentum. Conversations were not completely absent, but there was definitely a lack of balance on my end to truly fit in with the crowd.

What do you do when a group of guys are laughing at things you just don’t find funny? What do you say when the conversations are about hunting and you’ve never held a gun?

The more time passed the more people probably thought I was completely boring and let me be. Name-calling and ragging on each other was not something that came my way very often during my time in New York but was tossed around liberally by players as the primary method of group interactions. I became so afraid of having the roast turned on me that I would do everything I could to go unnoticed.

On travel days and game days, suit-and-tie attire was mandatory. These days were always a self-induced trauma for me, as it was tradition for guys to seek out the worst suits among us.

This process of suit-bashing would literally take up an entire day and could get pretty insulting. I knew I was a ripe target for ridicule, considering I bought a cheap, ill-fitting suit when I arrived in New York because I had to get on a plane the next day and didn’t have time to get it properly tailored.

You must understand, these men spend thousands of dollars on each suit and typically have an entire wardrobe of custom-fitted suits they paid way too much for. I, on the other hand, had a crappy suit I paid a few hundred bucks for and the same dress shoes I wore for my college games.

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Every time I wore that suit, I would shrink into a perpetual state of insecurity, hoping to survive the potential bombardment of ridicule long enough to get up to my hotel room. Although it may seem like I would have been the most-targeted guy for this type of ridicule, I was actually so successful at being invisible on those days that it rarely even came my way. It was merely the fear of ridicule that haunted me to a state of paralysis.

It also showed me something even more alarming; I realized that I was so much of an outsider that guys didn’t even feel comfortable to tease me. Throughout my entire football career, never did I hate playing the game more than when I played for the Jets in 2006. I was miserable.

I wondered whether I even wanted to play football anymore. I was literally afraid of returning to the Jets and going through training camp with the current locker-room dynamics. Through it all, I knew I was creating my own hell but didn’t know how to reverse it (nor did I have the courage to even if I did).

I devoted my energy to my craft and was an intense competitor. My courage would show up most when my helmet was on.

As you can imagine, players are going to try and test a guy like me and see whether they could break me. In this regard, I believe I deviate most from whom I perceive Jonathan Martin to be. When tested by guys who thought I was weak or soft, they quickly would see the feisty animal that lies within.

Football at least provided me with an outlet and a stage to prove that even though I may be quiet and unassuming, I am not someone you want to mess with. To get this message across amid such a violent backdrop, it requires a violent nature to be engineered. Without it, you cannot survive the culture as a soft-spoken guy.

Troy Polamalu is a good example of a guy who is incredibly unassuming off the field but becomes a violent Tasmanian devil on it.

During my time on the Jets I stumbled into a few physical altercations with teammates where they may have mistaken my kindness for weakness. After each altercation, a new level of respect would not only seem to emerge, but also sustain itself.

Jonathan Martin

I believe Martin must have been dealing with the same sorts of emotions and inner torment that I was.

I understand how that can build into something of a volcano. I can also imagine that his struggles on the field, as well as constant criticism by the media and Miami fanbase, were chipping away at him internally.

It’s impossible to determine what the best course of action for Martin would have been to rid himself of his inner turmoil. But for me, I know that the environment I hated so much was mostly a direct reflection of a hatred I had for myself.

I hated the prison I constructed around me to keep me safe from my own social awkwardness.


Football is a sport designed for one man to bully another. The very nature of the game requires a man to brutally dominate his opponent. To play this game, you must be incredibly tough. To play this game at the NFL level, you better be tough on nearly every level imaginable. Thick skin is a prerequisite.

We need to consider the possibility that Martin possesses a character and personality type that does not fit in the harsh world of the NFL. Furthermore, we should be careful with any attempts to make a uniquely demanding sport tolerable for those who struggle to thrive within it.

The Darwinian qualities we perpetually seek to minimize are, in fact, the very elements that make the game so special.

There’s a reason I have not mentioned Richie Incognito once until now. For me, he represents the opposite end of the spectrum from Martin. But his tendencies and character are that which happen to contribute to his success in the NFL.

Though he often crosses the line and can be seen as a raging madman (explicit language), he actually better represents what an NFL general manager wants than Martin does from a character standpoint. Intense, violent, brutal and aggressive are assets for an offensive lineman—whereas kind, friendly, passive and peaceful are not.

This is just the nature of the game.

If these two personality types were working in a law firm, Incognito would likely feel like the outsider struggling to relate to his coworkers, while Martin would presumably be more at home than ever. In this hypothetical environment, Incognito would be the brunt of constant ridicule and made to feel both primitive and inadequate.

Yet what’s interesting in that scenario is that just like Martin and myself in the NFL, Incognito would have authored his own hellish nightmare as the awkward and disrespected outsider.

With that said, I do not condone nor defend anything Incognito is alleged to have said or done to Martin. But context is important in this case, and perhaps people are starting to comprehend to some degree why NFL players, especially Dolphins teammates, are predominantly in support of the accused rather than the accuser.

If nothing else, perhaps there's one silver lining that can emerge from this situation. From here on out, any player who even contemplates crossing that line of bullying will probably think twice.

If you would like to read more on this ongoing saga, Ben Volin of The Boston Globe gives what I believe is one of the more interesting takes you’ll find.

Ryan Riddle is a former NFL player and currently covers the NFL for Bleacher Report


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  posted on 11/8/2013 at 09:26 AM
Professional sports is a culture all its own. What will happen if we decide to have our government regulate the "NFL workplace"?

Will racial/sexual/persons with disabilities "quotas" be invoked?

As a recent disgusted and fed up with it retiree from the corporate world, I have always admired pro sports for one thing and one thing only: the job goes to the best qualified person without regard to race or gender. Typically, they do not care if you are white, black, red, green, blue or chartreuse - they want the guy who can best throw/catch/put up "the rock".

I personally feel that Martin didn't handle the situation appropriate to the culture.

Did anybody ever advise him about the hazing of rookies? I've read stories about stuff like this for years.

Incognito (what a name!) is probably every bit the @sshole he is portrayed to be. His hazing of Martin might have crossed a line, but I'm sure there are hundred of similar stories.

Typically, this stuff goes away after the first couple of seasons. Not being a follower of the NFL, I don't know if Martin was a "production player" or not. If he was, it would seem that at least some of his team mates would come to his side over this. If his NFL days are over, I guess his next (and final?) pay day will come from a tell all book or movie.


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  posted on 11/8/2013 at 11:45 AM
Possibly a huge clash of cultures. Martin grew up going to the finest schools where he probably never encountered what he endured with the Dolphins. His family are all lawyers and he was mostly likely taught to never fight. On the football field get the job done play hard play rough but leave it on the field....never fight. He went to Sanford under Harbaugh and I'm sure that he didn't ever hear anyone on any of his teams call him those names and he was accepted for who he was there.

He went to the Dolphins and encountered people from a different world. A world he has never been in. I'm sure he knew there would be hazing and I'm sure he also thought as a starting Lineman that the coaches had made the choice that he was a part of the team. I'm also sure he thought it would end. Except the hazing didn't stop and the coaches went to the worst source they could to raze the kid. He endured close to 2 years of abuse conflicting with the way he was brought up and all the other experiences he'd gone through was just too much for him...

There's gonna be a lot of fall out from this but I would bet Incognito will play for some team again....not sure Martin will


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  posted on 11/8/2013 at 06:29 PM nito-situation-victim-hazing-himself-221430475--nfl.html

Here's some more perspective from a former NFL player, Cam Cleeland, who nearly lost an eye as a result of hazing. And anyone who thinks that Mike Ditka is a reliable source regarding what to do in response to hazing ought to read this article.


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  posted on 11/8/2013 at 07:49 PM
Herm Edwards was on WEEI (Boston) tonight. He said that in 30+ years of being in NFL locker rooms, he's never seen anything even close to what was apparently going on in Miami. Listen to it here... -would-deal-with-the-richie-incognito-situation.htm


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  posted on 11/10/2013 at 05:17 PM
lots of texts and stuff missing from what i could post.....check the website for the missing stuff cognitos-interview-with-jay-glazer? al&utm_campaign=editorial&hpt=hp_t2

Biggest Takeaways from Richie Incognito's Interview with Jay Glazer
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Miami Dolphins offensive lineman Richie Incognito sat down with Jay Glazer of FOX Sports to discuss the treatment of teammate Jonathan Martin amid various reports of Incognito's role in Martin's decision to leave the team.

Incognito, who has also been away from the Dolphins after the team suspended him last week, told Glazer the harsh messages went both ways. He admitted he crossed the line at times, but he never intended to hurt Martin.

Here's the interview in its entirety (full transcript also available via FOX Sports):

One text Incognito claimed to have received from Martin talked about murdering his family, a threat he said he never took seriously from a teammate:

Martin's lawyer, David Cornwell provided the text, which is not safe for work due to vulgar language:

Incognito said he had brief contact with Martin after he left the team. In the text message obtained by FOX Sports, Martin said the culture and locker-room stuff got to him, but that he didn't blame anyone in particular. He also said the messages were sent by buddies, not enemies:

Glazer confirms he's seen the texts in question:

Incognito said he had Martin's back the entire time and his teammate never showed signs that he may have been uncomfortable with what went on in the locker room.

He also tried to explain why he shouldn't be viewed as a racist despite the language that was used:

Furthermore, Incognito said that he only had good intentions:

Ultimately, the lineman faults the NFL culture for the problem:

In the end, Incognito claimed he would give Martin a hug if he was sitting next to him.

The 30-year-old veteran came under fire after ESPN passed along the racially charged text messages he reportedly sent to Martin, which were provided to both the NFL and the Dolphins as a part of the ongoing investigation into the matter.

Here's a message ESPN states was left by Incognito:

Hey, wassup, you half n----- piece of s---. I saw you on Twitter, you been training 10 weeks. [I want to] s--- in your f---ing mouth. [I'm going to] slap your f---ing mouth. [I'm going to] slap your real mother across the face [laughter]. F--- you, you're still a rookie. I'll kill you.

The report goes on to say the use of racial slurs was not an isolated incident and other messages included insults about sexual orientation.

Jason La Canfora of CBS Sports added that Incognito was previously reprimanded for actions toward team employees. Sources told him Martin was scared of what could happen to him after what amounted to bullying.

"It's hard to picture a 6-foot-5 350-lb football player as being the victim of bullying, but that's exactly what took place here," the source said. "He is genuinely scared of what Incognito might do to him, or has threatened to do to him."

After the initial media firestorm, several members of the Dolphins came to Incognito's defense.

Gary Mihoces of USA Today provided comments made by quarterback Ryan Tannehill and offensive lineman Tyson Clabo, who were both surprised by the situation.

Tannehill said the two players were seemingly best friends.

"If you asked Jonathan Martin who his best friend is on this team two weeks ago, he'd say Richie Incognito," quarterback Ryan Tannehill told news reporters Wednesday. "It's tough for us to sit here and hear all that when we have each others' backs."

Clabo said Incognito wasn't a bad teammate.

"What's perceived is that Richie is this psychopath racist, and the reality is Richie was a pretty good teammate," tackle Tyson Clabo told news reporters. "I don't know why (Martin is) doing this. And the only person who knows why is Jonathan Martin."

Another report, from Omar Kelly of the Sun Sentinel, says Incognito was the leader of the offensive-line group and was asked by the coaching staff to help toughen Martin up after he missed a workout last spring, and things got out of control over time.

The sources told the paper they believe that Incognito, who is accused of using racially incendiary language and bullying tactics against Martin, may have taken those orders too far.

It's not clear whether those marching orders will now become part of a pending investigation by the NFL into the Dolphins' locker room culture, and the alleged bullying that took place between Incognito and Martin.

The entire ordeal brought the NFL's locker-room culture into the spotlight. Comments like the ones made by former coach and player Mike Ditka, which were passed along by Pro Football Talk, highlight that debate:

There is a line in every situation that shouldn't be crossed. Only Incognito and Martin know exactly how close of relationship they had, and that grey area makes it tough to pinpoint exactly when things broke down.

Incognito states he was simply trying to help a teammate, albeit in a manner people outside NFL locker rooms might not understand.

Through the interview, Incognito publicly clarified his stance, but the story is far from over.


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  posted on 11/10/2013 at 06:21 PM
Herm Edwards was on WEEI (Boston) tonight. He said that in 30+ years of being in NFL locker rooms, he's never seen anything even close to what was apparently going on in Miami.

That was my impression of things -- that this is an extreme case
Legal eagles are getting in line for this one -- and, like the subjects themselves, even the ACLU could weigh in/throw around Its considerable weight in this case -- adding another layer of legal entanglement to the whole thing

Would be surprising to see either player return this season --
Coming soon -- Sensitivity Training in NFL locker rooms -- who'd'a'thunk it


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  posted on 11/11/2013 at 08:48 PM
All this drama just because of a little jock talk
reading this, seems like was a rush to judgement to portray Incognito as the bad guy -- the text Martin sent to Incognito after he left the team speaks volumes -- also the support he has in the locker room, not that Martin's teammates hate him, just that the portrayals of Incognito as a bullying racist are not true
Catcallers will be having a field day from behind the Dolphins' bench in their future road games -- who knows, mayb right now in TB

MIAMI (AP) — Suspended Miami Dolphins guard Richie Incognito says teammate Jonathan Martin sent him a threatening text message as an apparent joke only a week before their relationship became the subject of a harassment case that has prompted an NFL investigation.

In an interview with Fox Sports televised Sunday, Incognito said he never took the threat seriously. Incognito said he regrets the racist and profane language he used with Martin, but said it stemmed from a culture of locker-room "brotherhood," not bullying.

"A week before this went down, Jonathan Martin texted me on my phone — 'I will murder your whole ... family,'" Incognito said, quoting Martin as using a profanity. "Now did I think Jonathan Martin was going to murder my family? Not one bit. ... I knew it was coming from a brother. I knew it was coming from a friend. I knew it was coming from a teammate. That just puts in context how we communicate with one another."

Responding to the interview, Martin's attorney tweeted the message Incognito quoted. The message was accompanied by two photos of a laughing woman holding a dog, suggesting it was intended as a joke.

"JMart's text 2 Richie Incognito. U decide....." attorney David Cornwell tweeted. That was the only response by Cornwell or Martin's agent to requests from The Associated Press for comment on Incognito's interview.

Incognito said Martin also sent him a friendly text four days after leaving the team to undergo counseling for emotional issues. The message came on the heels of the Dolphins' overtime victory against Cincinnati.

"Wassup man? The world's gone crazy lol. I'm good tho congrats on the win," Martin said in a text verified by Fox Sports. "Yeah I'm good man. It's insane bro but just know I don't blame you guys at all. It's just the culture around football and the locker room got to me a little."

"This isn't an issue about bullying," Incognito told Fox. "This is an issue of my and Jon's relationship. You can ask anyone in the Miami Dolphins' locker room who had Jon Martin's back the absolute most, and they'll undoubtedly tell you me.

"All this stuff coming out, it speaks to the culture of our locker room, it speaks to culture of our closeness, it speaks to the culture of our brotherhood."

Incognito's phone showed 1,142 text messages between the two players over the past year, Fox reported.

Incognito is white and Martin is biracial. Teammates both black and white have said Incognito is not a racist, and they've been more supportive of the veteran guard than they have of Martin.

Incognito said he never sensed that football or the locker-room culture were getting to Martin.

"As his best friend on the team, that's what has me miffed — how I missed this," Incognito said. "I never saw it coming."

Long labeled one of the NFL's dirtiest players, Incognito acknowledged his reputation for out-of-bounds behavior — and the impact the much-quoted, threatening voicemail has had on his image.

"It sounds terrible. It sounds like I'm a racist pig. It sounds like I'm a meathead. It sounds a lot of things that it's not. ... If you go just by all the knucklehead stuff I've done in the past, you're sitting in your home and thinking, 'This guy is a loose cannon. This guy is a terrible person. This guy is a racist.' That couldn't be farther from the truth."


"I know y'all came to hear our songs, we like to play 'em for you but without Gregg here it's really hard for us to do. He sings & plays so much & does such a good job. He's really sick, 103* He might've come, but no one would let him." Duane


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  posted on 2/4/2014 at 12:09 PM not-be-a-bully-and-martin-may-not-be-an-angel? dium=referral&utm_campaign=editorial&hpt=hp_t2

Texts Show Richie Incognito May Not Be a Bully and Martin May Not Be an Angel

Mike Freeman , NFL National Lead Writer
Feb 4, 2014

What we know for certain after reading 1,000 texts between Jonathan Martin and Richie Incognito: Incognito is not an exemplary human being. I'm not even sure he is a human being.

At the very least, there seems to be a seven-year-old boy deep inside of a man who never truly reached adulthood. Incognito traffics in vulgarities and serial bigotry with the same ease as when blocking on the football field.

What we also know, what is inescapable now, is that Incognito may have been unfairly portrayed as a bully. Yes, he's a bad dude. But it's also unfair to call him Martin's bully. It's impossible, actually.

The texts, obtained by The Big Lead's Jason McIntyre, change everything. It would be foolish and arrogant and, yes, unfair to say they don't. Incognito has been portrayed nationally somewhere between a member of Al-Qaeda and an X-Men villain. What the texts do is possibly exonerate him as the face of bullying.

The texts are clearly meant to help Incognito and possibly influence public opinion before the release of investigator Ted Wells' special report. The NFL hired Wells to investigate the Dolphins' locker room culture. Incognito was suspended by the team after media reports surfaced that Incognito used racial slurs in voicemails and text messages to Martin. Wells' report could be released in a matter of days.

The new evidence—and it is evidence—shows that maybe many of us were in a rush to judgment because Incognito's poor character was like a trampoline or a propellant. Incognito was such a bad guy that it made it easier to portray him as a bully when, in fact, things were much more complicated.

In fact, Martin sometimes resembles as much the beer-soaked pubescent as the texts reveal Incognito to be. The homophobia, the bigotry, the misogyny—in the texts, Martin chuckles right along with Incognito.

In fact, Incognito knows he's a foul-mouthed jackass. There's no attempt to hide that fact. In that way, he's actually better than Martin, who has portrayed himself as the Rosa Parks of NFL anti-bullying. As bad a dude as Incognito is, the impression the texts deliver is that if Martin truly felt Incognito had gone too far in his actions, all Martin had to say was, "Dude, I don't like that language. Please stop." And I actually think Incognito might have stopped.

What the texts also do is provide the best reason yet why Dolphins teammates backed Incognito. Incognito isn't a nice man. He won't be attending any cotillions. But it's becoming increasingly clear he wasn't a bully.

When I asked a veteran NFL player to read the texts and give me his thoughts, his first words after reading them were, "They make me rethink everything." Me as well.

A second player said the texts show the daily back-and-forth in some locker rooms. In most successful locker rooms, the player said the banter doesn't get this raunchy. "But I think every player will read these texts," the player explained," and won't see Incognito as a bully. They'll see it as two dudes giving each other s---."

It's time to be careful here. One thousand texts could just be a snippet of their texting lives. We're lacking some context here. How many total texts are there? What are the key omitted ones, if any? Did the leaker of the texts use snippets that purposefully make Incognito look better?

We don't know the answers, and it's also possible Martin's texting with Incognito is an attempt for a shy, intellectual man to fit into a raw locker room culture.

Martin comes from a family of high intelligence and distinction—his mother is a corporate lawyer, his father is a college professor; both graduated from Harvard—the opposite of Incognito's upbringing. My guess is the Stanford locker room where Martin played college ball didn't routinely have these kinds of chats.

Then again, the texts show Martin using just as much vulgar language and displaying just as much immaturity as Incognito.

They have conversations about women and drugs and booze and women and booze and women and strippers and women, and there isn't one indication of bullying. Not one.

Some of the more interesting texts include:
•About the infamous trip to Las Vegas that Martin declined to pay for and was portrayed in the media as a major point of contention between the two men, Incognito texts, "It’s all good. Let me know if u need anything."
•A text exchange on Nov. 18 from Incognito to Martin read, "U pull any ass last night?" Martin responded, "Nah I was too wasted bro lol." Typical juvenile banter.
•In another exchange, the two men talk about two different bars.

Incognito: "How was bamboo?"

Martin: "Really fun. Lots of dudes came through."

Incognito: "HaHa. Lots of dudes? Ur into dudes…I knew it."

Martin: "Haha that sounded suspect…What I mean is there were a ton of guys from the team there. You went to T's right?"

Incognito: "Yea. It was dead. Hung for a bit and took off. Was it all black people at bamboo?"

Martin: "Yea…And Chandler. lol."

Incognito: "Hahaha! How were the chicks?"

Martin: "Some really hot ones, but tons of hood rats, too."

Incognito: "Barf."

Far from being bullied, Martin joined with Incognito in their laughing over homophobia and mild bigotry. (Hood rats?)

Did Martin talk like this to fit in? Possibly, but these conversations—and there are so many more—sound more like texts between a wingman and his bro than between a bully and his target.

What we now know is there is more to this sad and sordid story. It has taken so many twists; why shouldn't there be one more? And that twist could be that Incognito, while a fantastic cad, isn't the bully many of us believed he was.

And Martin may not be such an innocent lamb.


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  posted on 2/5/2014 at 07:43 AM
What we now know is there is more to this sad and sordid story. It has taken so many twists; why shouldn't there be one more? And that twist could be that Incognito, while a fantastic cad, isn't the bully many of us believed he was.

And Martin may not be such an innocent lamb.



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