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Talk about getting blown out of proportion, sheesh.

Really? You find nothing wrong with cheating in a championship game?

What I find wrong with this situation is the way the NFL has totally mishandled it. They have let this story blow up all week based on leaks and unnamed sources and speculation is running rampant and being presented in the media and elsewhere as fact. For such an image conscious league, it amazes me what a complete disaster this entire season has been from a PR standpoint, and it is largely of their own making.


Spoken like a true homer

Except that zero facts have been presented by the NFL. Everything that is out there now is the result of leaks or back channel sources. Ever since the story surfaced it has a massive case of guilty until proven innocent, and that is on the NFL.

It is being blown totally out of proportion simply because it is the Patriots. Whether that is because of spygate or because they are the winningest team of the last decade and a half and everyone loves to hate the team at the top or a combination of both, they get singled out over something like this when the truth of the matter is that QBs have been doing this for decades and the NFL has known it (if for no other reason than current and former QBs have openly talked about it) and chosen to look the other way, as have the fans and the media. The hue and cry from the media over this now is just laughable, and the bandwagon is has filled of Patriot haters and as is so often the case in the court of public opinion, they are guilty until proven innocent.

Former players say football alterations are part of the game




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I thought the ref's weighed the balls.

 

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  posted on 1/22/2015 at 09:39 AM
It's becoming almost a cliché to even say it, but I'm so damn full of the NFL's BS that I don't even know if I'll turn on the Super Bowl.

Ray Rice's elevator video was the big one..............Meathead Commissioner Goodell deems this worthy of a 2 game suspension. Ravens Coach John Harbaugh says, "It's not a big deal. Ray's a solid guy, we stand behind him 100%."

Here in the Bay area, Aldon Smith drunkenly drives a car into a tree at 5:30 AM (ON HIS WAY TO 49ers PRACTICE)............and John Harbaugh's brother Jim lets Smith play in a game three days later.

The next season, The 49ers' Ray McDonald has a domestic dispute with a woman in his home. He calls his buddy on the San Jose police force, who was there for a BBQ earlier that day, to come over and investigate before the woman even made the official call to the police. McDonald got NOTHING from Jim Harbaugh, was allowed to continue to play without any type of penalty. The 49ers official stance was, "burden of proof". IMO, the call by McDonald to his cop buddy should have been all they needed to release or at least suspend McDonald. McDonald later in the same season was accused of rape by a second female. This time 49ers owner Jed York stepped in over Harbaugh's head and released McDonald.

And people wonder why Harbaugh was let go..........
After Harbaugh is gone, York says at his press conference (I paraphrase, but you get the idea), "We've got to bring some class back to this organization." Sounds like SOMEONE if the NFL has their head on straight. Kudos to you, Jed York.

The Harbaugh brothers are GREAT football coaches. They are also both arrogant, over-testosteroned fools who know NOTHING about ETHICS and managing serious misbehavior from players.

And now a team deflates footballs to win a game. I've got Al Paul's "One Way Out" in hand. Maybe starting on that would be a much better way to spend the afternoon on February 1st.





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Talk about getting blown out of proportion, sheesh.

Really? You find nothing wrong with cheating in a championship game?

What I find wrong with this situation is the way the NFL has totally mishandled it. They have let this story blow up all week based on leaks and unnamed sources and speculation is running rampant and being presented in the media and elsewhere as fact. For such an image conscious league, it amazes me what a complete disaster this entire season has been from a PR standpoint, and it is largely of their own making.


Spoken like a true homer

Except that zero facts have been presented by the NFL. Everything that is out there now is the result of leaks or back channel sources. Ever since the story surfaced it has a massive case of guilty until proven innocent, and that is on the NFL.

It is being blown totally out of proportion simply because it is the Patriots. Whether that is because of spygate or because they are the winningest team of the last decade and a half and everyone loves to hate the team at the top or a combination of both, they get singled out over something like this when the truth of the matter is that QBs have been doing this for decades and the NFL has known it (if for no other reason than current and former QBs have openly talked about it) and chosen to look the other way, as have the fans and the media. The hue and cry from the media over this now is just laughable, and the bandwagon is has filled of Patriot haters and as is so often the case in the court of public opinion, they are guilty until proven innocent.

Former players say football alterations are part of the game




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I thought the ref's weighed the balls.

Did I say they didn't? The rules that I have seen published this week says they inspect the balls 2 hours before the game. Of course they handle them prior to kickoff and between every play as well. I was talking with a guy this morning that has been reffing football, soccer and volleyball and high school and college levels for 40 years, and he said that any experienced official can tell if the ball is out of spec immediately when handled (and in the case of soccerballs, by the sound the ball makes when kicked).

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Re: Erin Andrews - I find her to be neither underinflated nor overinflated

http://www.wildsound-filmmaking-feedback-events.com/images/erin_andrews_200 8.jpg

I don't think that is Erin Andrews, at least not THE Erin Andrews...it doesn't look like her, and I don't think she ever worked for CBS.


Regardless, the woman is annoying, have you heard her talk?

 

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  posted on 1/22/2015 at 09:56 AM
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It is being blown totally out of proportion simply because it is the Patriots. Whether that is because of spygate or because they are the winningest team of the last decade and a half and everyone loves to hate the team at the top or a combination of both, they get singled out over something like this when the truth of the matter is that QBs have been doing this for decades and the NFL has known it (if for no other reason than current and former QBs have openly talked about it) and chosen to look the other way, as have the fans and the media.


So if, say, a pitcher for the Yankees gets caught with Vaseline under his cap or a piece of sandpaper in his glove, he should get off because everyone hates the Yankees?

Maybe there is some truth to some sort of mass vendetta against the Patriots, but, to be honest, Boston fans in general go around telling everyone how awesome they are and daring everyone to knock the chip off their shoulder. What do they expect?

As far as things being "blown out of proportion," this is the Super Bowl we are talking about here. Blown out of proportion is what these two weeks are all about on an annual basis.

I personally don't think that any huge penalty is warranted past a huge fine and maybe a loss of a draft pick (both of which would be completely arbitrary anyway), but if Patriot fans think that bringing the "Ya'll are just jealous haters and we still rule" deal helps things, well, then get on with your bad-a$$ selves!

Just remember, the cloud of "cheaters" will never go away from this era of the Patriots. BUT...if they DID purposefully underinflate the balls...just admit it and move on. The story is always in the cover up, especially in scandals involving the suffix "-gate."

 

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  posted on 1/22/2015 at 10:14 AM
From BB presser this morning:

The moment the nation has been waiting for has arrived.

Patriots head coach Bill Belichick addressed the media at Gillette Stadium Wednesday and as you might imagine, was immediately asked about the controversy known as Deflategate.

Belichick said he was shocked to learn about the balls being deflated and has learned a lot in the past few days.

"I had no knowledge of the various steps involved with the game balls," Belichick said.

Belichick suggested quarterback Tom Brady be asked about the pressure in the footballs.

"Quarterbacks, kickers have preferences," Belichick said. "I hear them comment on it. There is never any sympathy from me on that subject. Tom’s personal preferences on footballs are something he can talk about in better detail. [It's more than] I can possibly provide."

"I have never talked to any player, staff member about football air pressure," Belichick said. "To me, the footballs are approved by game officials, and we play with what’s out there."

Belichick said the Patriots game balls are kept at the low end of the 12.5-13.5 (PSI) specifications of the NFL.

"Any deflation would take us under specification limit," Belichick said. "In the future, we will certainly inflate footballs above that low level to account for possible change... we will take steps in future to make sure we don’t put ourselves in that situation again."

http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/extra_points/2015/01/bill_be lichick_on_deflategate.html

 

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  posted on 1/22/2015 at 10:26 AM
Well then, case closed.

 

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Re: Erin Andrews - I find her to be neither underinflated nor overinflated

http://www.wildsound-filmmaking-feedback-events.com/images/erin_andrews_200 8.jpg

I don't think that is Erin Andrews, at least not THE Erin Andrews...it doesn't look like her, and I don't think she ever worked for CBS.


Regardless, the woman is annoying, have you heard her talk?


We are merely talking inflation; and whomever is in that picture seems to pe perfectly inflated

 

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"I had no knowledge of the various steps involved with the game balls," Belichick said.


He's been in the League since 1975. Gotta give him credit saying stuff like this.

 

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  posted on 1/22/2015 at 11:04 AM
LaGarrete Blount steamrolled the Colts defense for 148 yards because of those damned underinflated footballs!
 

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"I had no knowledge of the various steps involved with the game balls," Belichick said.


He's been in the League since 1975. Gotta give him credit saying stuff like this.


he's trying to say in a nice way, "eff off, fine me, take a pick, just get outta my face".


 

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LaGarrete Blount steamrolled the Colts defense for 148 yards because of those damned underinflated footballs!


and they outscored the Dolts, 28-0 in the second half with regular ones.

 

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I live an hour west of Boston and have to say Patriot fans have to be the most cocky, arrogant, obnoxious fans I have ever met. Any time there is an issue with the team cheating the excuse is everybody hates them so are looking for a way to tear them down. And when they lose there is always an excuse and it is never because the other team was better.

I am not a Seattle fan by any means but I will be rooting for the Hawks to kick the Patriots ass just so I don't have to listen to all the Pats fans bragging about how they are the greatest team ever.

 

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"In the event a home team ball does not conform to specifications, or its supply is exhausted, the Referee shall secure a proper ball from the visitors and, failing that, use the best available ball. Any such circumstances must be reported to the Commissioner."

The above is from the rules. By having this in the rules the NFL admits that balls that pass inspection 135 minutes before game time may no longer be in spec during a game, therefore the refs have the ability to use what they determine to be an acceptable ball for play. There is nothing in the rules that mandates that the balls must remain in pre game spec at all times. This leaves LOTS of room for interpretation. As long as the ball passes pre game inspection, it is playable as long as the refs deem it so. Given this, where did the Patriots violate the rule? Did they violate it by understanding that a ball filled to minimum pressure 135 minutes before game time and kept warm would now be at a lower pressure during a game? Did they violate a rule by having balls that when wet have leather that can stretch a bit? Did they violate the rule by letting some air out on purpose, IF in fact anyone did that (guilty until proven innocent). Its all in how you interpret the rules. This is known as a grey area in the legal arena. It is up to the league to determine if they feel the rule was wrongly manipulated or not, and it is shameful that the league has been officially silent on this all week as it blew up to international crisis levels.



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I live an hour west of Boston and have to say Patriot fans have to be the most cocky, arrogant, obnoxious fans I have ever met.


You know any Cowboy fans?

 

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LaGarrete Blount steamrolled the Colts defense for 148 yards because of those damned underinflated footballs!


and they outscored the Dolts, 28-0 in the second half with regular ones.


Nobody is denying that they are a great team, but why did they need to deflate those balls? Couldn't they just try to win on their own merit?

 

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You know any Cowboy fans?


Yes I do but the ones I know lost their swagger many years ago after rooting for a mediocre team the last decade +. They were excited about this year but were not convinced the teams was the real thing. Patriot fans on the other hand seem to see a trip to the SB as some kind of entitlement.

 

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"In the event a home team ball does not conform to specifications, or its supply is exhausted, the Referee shall secure a proper ball from the visitors and, failing that, use the best available ball. Any such circumstances must be reported to the Commissioner."

The above is from the rules. By having this in the rules the NFL admits that balls that pass inspection 135 minutes before game time may no longer be in spec during a game, therefore the refs have the ability to use what they determine to be an acceptable ball for play. There is nothing in the rules that mandates that the balls must remain in pre game spec at all times. This leaves LOTS of room for interpretation. As long as the ball passes pre game inspection, it is playable as long as the refs deem it so. Given this, where did the Patriots violate the rule? Did they violate it by understanding that a ball filled to minimum pressure 135 minutes before game time and kept warm would now be at a lower pressure during a game? Did they violate a rule by having balls that when wet have leather that can stretch a bit? Did they violate the rule by letting some air out on purpose, IF in fact anyone did that (guilty until proven innocent). Its all in how you interpret the rules. This is known as a grey area in the legal arena. It is up to the league to determine if they feel the rule was wrongly manipulated or not, and it is shameful that the league has been officially silent on this all week as it blew up to international crisis levels.



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it's the Patriots. Things are magnified.

TB12 on at 345 today.

Here's the scenario: He pleads ignorance, says he casually mentioned to team manager footballs felt "heavy". Walks away (or not ) TM takes out 2 pounds...or, he falls on the sword to protect Bill, says, "Yup, the footballs felt heavy, I don't have a pressure gauge, sorry."

I'll tell you this, I'll be very surprised if the NFL lays this on crew chief Walt Anderson, who btw, is responsible for the balls being inside regs and had an "oops" moment at halftime, thanks to Pagano, who had no other way to deflate the onslaught his team was suffering (can you say Mangini?) other than to call his GM, and got some reg balls into play and the Patriots put up 28.

 

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Yes I do but the ones I know lost their swagger many years ago after rooting for a mediocre team the last decade +. They were excited about this year but were not convinced the teams was the real thing. Patriot fans on the other hand seem to see a trip to the SB as some kind of entitlement.


we are spoiled, no doubt. I don't see it as an entitlement, I just expect it. Geez man, give us a bit of credit...they are in fact a pretty damn good team.

fret not, haters. The run ends soon and someone else can tattoo the target on their chest.

 

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I live an hour west of Boston and have to say Patriot fans have to be the most cocky, arrogant, obnoxious fans I have ever met.


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Yes I do but the ones I know lost their swagger many years ago after rooting for a mediocre team the last decade +. They were excited about this year but were not convinced the teams was the real thing. Patriot fans on the other hand seem to see a trip to the SB as some kind of entitlement.


we are spoiled, no doubt. I don't see it as an entitlement, I just expect it. Geez man, give us a bit of credit...they are in fact a pretty damn good team.

fret not, haters. The run ends soon and someone else can tattoo the target on their chest.


No one ever said they weren't a good team we just don't need their fans rubbing it in our faces all the time and then disappearing and not wanting to deal with it when they don't win.

 

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I live an hour west of Boston and have to say Patriot fans have to be the most cocky, arrogant, obnoxious fans I have ever met.


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Yes I do but the ones I know lost their swagger many years ago after rooting for a mediocre team the last decade +. They were excited about this year but were not convinced the teams was the real thing. Patriot fans on the other hand seem to see a trip to the SB as some kind of entitlement.


we are spoiled, no doubt. I don't see it as an entitlement, I just expect it. Geez man, give us a bit of credit...they are in fact a pretty damn good team.

fret not, haters. The run ends soon and someone else can tattoo the target on their chest.


No one ever said they weren't a good team we just don't need their fans rubbing it in our faces all the time and then disappearing and not wanting to deal with it when they don't win.


Personally, I've taken my fair share of hits. Just ask Sang, MacKenzie or Bhawk.

a reporter asked Bill if he was concerned about his integrity.

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that's the thing in all this. The media can do, say, ask anything they want to whoever they want and blow anything up (pardon the pun) to monumental proportions, especially if they don't like you and props to Bill for leveling the playing field in the press room.

 

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I think a better question would be if he was concerned about his legacy.

 

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Two more former NFL QBs weigh in on this nonsense...

Brady Quinn: It’s all a media creation, albeit one that has captured the attentions of football fans nationwide.

http://nesn.com/2015/01/brady-quinn-patriots-deflategate-controversy-a-bunc h-of-hot-air/

Drew Bledsoe: Patriots’ ‘DeflateGate’ Controversy ‘Seems Kind Of Silly’

http://nesn.com/2015/01/drew-bledsoe-patriots-deflategate-controversy-seems -kind-of-silly/




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I think a better question would be if he was concerned about his legacy.


again, the Patriots.

if this were Jacksonville or Tennessee or Oakland, would anyone give a dang? Even if one of them won their conference championship, there wouldn't be this much coverage. Like I said in the real football thread and not this controversy-driven pile of drivel, it's the price ya gotta pay.

this has become international news, an absolute media frenzy.

people seem to lose sight of the fact the Pats WON THE GAME 45-7.

people love attaching those asterisks. This thread is proof.

 
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