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  posted on 4/5/2017 at 10:46 PM
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https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/what-would-happen-in-the-minutes-a nd-hours-after-the-us-attacked-north-korea

What Would Happen in the Minutes and Hours After the US Attacked North Korea?

MIKE PEARL
Apr 5 2017, 2:30pm


That was interesting. A whole host of things could happen, that summary is probably pretty close to a logical sequence of events. Nothing is quite that predictable, or even within those outlined events a whole host of unexpected and surprising things could happen.

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  posted on 4/7/2017 at 09:20 AM
Only China can stop the North Korea threat.
President Trump and President Xi Jinping are discussing the matter right now.

BTW - President Xi Jinping does not play golf... yet.


 

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  posted on 4/7/2017 at 11:27 AM
China
Internal coup
Dennis Rodman (take one for the team/world)

 

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  posted on 4/8/2017 at 08:10 PM
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China
Internal coup
Dennis Rodman (take one for the team/world)

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A military coup in North Korea would do quite nicely.
The Chinese could see that it happens and remain untouched.


 

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  posted on 4/9/2017 at 12:32 AM
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China
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Dennis Rodman (take one for the team/world)

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A military coup in North Korea would do quite nicely.
The Chinese could see that it happens and remain untouched.




What's in it for China? They don't want to inherit that backwards and prehistoric country or create a mass exodus of North Koreas heading for their border.

Hopefully Trump and Xi Jinping had some constructive discussions.

 

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  posted on 4/9/2017 at 10:37 AM
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China
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Dennis Rodman (take one for the team/world)

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A military coup in North Korea would do quite nicely.
The Chinese could see that it happens and remain untouched.




What's in it for China? They don't want to inherit that backwards and prehistoric country or create a mass exodus of North Koreas heading for their border.

Hopefully Trump and Xi Jinping had some constructive discussions.

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"What's in it for China?"

Goodwill.

China desperately needs a good relationship with The U.S. and if China were to take care of the North Korea they would win a favorable reaction from the world.

Good PR never hurts.

 

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  posted on 4/14/2017 at 06:34 PM
My nephew is in Seoul.

that's all i'm saying

 

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  posted on 4/15/2017 at 07:32 AM
I've always believed that what North Korea wants is attention so they act out to get it - it's worked, they have gotten lots of attention from prior Presidents - even aid from one President.

I also believe that another primary goal of theirs is survival of the leadership regime. If that is true one has to wonder what provocation event on their part would mean for the survival of Kim Jon Un.

What regime change means for a place like North Korea and what it would mean in a place like Syria are much much different. There is no radical ideology emitting from North Korea in the way that it does in the middle east. In the vacuum of a Sadam-less Iraq or a Gaddafi-less Libya, and as with a Assad-less Syria the chances of netting an actual worse result are pretty good. You go from a manageable situation to one that is unmanageable and results in more conflict and more war.

With North Korea I believe the opposite is true. With the leadership removed from NK the prospects of a more stable and peaceful region increase substantially. So long as China isn't bent on propping up the regime there. All they have to do is look the other way atleast.

Killing Kim Jon Un is the best thing that could happen there and North Korea joins the 21st century and enters a global economic system. South Koreans have seen huge economic success - it isn't that South Koreans are any smarter or innovative than North Koreans.

The world would be a better place without a dictator regime in North Korea and with cooperation from China and other Asian countries in the region the country could transform it's self and no longer be an adversary to us or other peaceful countries in the region.

I just do not know how the US can do that without something unraveling into a full blown war with NK - something that I don't want - I don't want any American to die having in what could be a difficult conflict. So there is the problem I see. I'm happy that China has seemed to take a couple steps away from North Korean support over the last couple weeks. What happens from here is anyone's guess.

Would be interesting to get your nephew's opinion on what the sentiment towards the North or the US is currently in Seoul.

 

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  posted on 4/15/2017 at 08:46 AM
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My nephew is in Seoul.

that's all i'm saying

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South Korea must be in a state of enhanced worry.

Kim Jong Un should not be someone who has control of nuclear weapons and a massive army.
China has the only power over North Korea and China is not stupid.
Xi Jinping is far more a businessman than a Communist dictator.

Keeping Kim Jong Un under control is in China's best interest.

Well that sounds logical anyway.



 

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  posted on 4/15/2017 at 09:33 AM
More war and death for profit.

Yay.

 

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  posted on 4/15/2017 at 09:51 AM
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More war and death for profit.

Yay.


Sometimes I see our military engagement in certain ways as being a tool to keep global commerce functioning and growing, essentially for foreign and domestic business interests.

On the other hand, I suspect you would agree, that there are real threats in the world that need to be taken seriously or addressed from a military perspective?

I mean, it can't all just be for somebody somewhere wanting to profit...can it in your eyes?

 

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  posted on 4/15/2017 at 10:17 AM
Somewhere behind every cause, every crusade and every crisis, someone is getting paid.

I'm sitting here on an amazing morning in eastern Kansas and I'm supposed to get all excited and fired up and want to bomb or kill yet another dictator on another side of the world? A place I'll never go? A place I only know through pictures and images?

Whether by coup or by war...more war, more death, more profit.

Korea
Iran
Guatemala
Congo
Dominican Republic
South Vietnam
Brazil
Chile
Panama
Iraq

Now North Korea?

Yay?

quote:
"In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists, and will persist."


1. Lockheed Martin (LMT) -- aircraft, electronics, missiles, space
Arm sales:$36.3 billion, total sales: $46.5 billion
Gross profit: $2.7 billion, total workforce, 123,000

2. Boeing (BA) -- aircraft, electronics, missiles, space
Arm sales: $31.8 billion, total sales: $68.7 billion
Gross profit: $4 billion, total workforce: 171,700

3. BAE Systems -- aircraft, artillery, electronics, vehicles, missiles, ships
Arm sales: $29.2 billion, total sales: $30.7 billion
Gross profit: $2.3 billion, total workforce: 93,500

4. General Dynamics (GD) -- artillery, electronics, vehicles, small arms, ships
Arm sales: $23.8 billion, total sales: $32.7 billion
Gross profit: $2.5 billion, total workforce: 95,100

5. Raytheon (RTN) -- electronics, missiles
Arm sales: $22.5 billion, total sales: $24.9 billion
Gross profit: $1.9 billion, total workforce: 71,000

6. Northrop Grumman (NOC) -- aircraft, electronics, missiles, ships, space
Arm sales: $21.4 billion, total sales: $26.4 billion
Gross profit: $2.1 billion, total workforce: 72,500

7. EADS -- aircraft, electronics, missiles and space
Arm sales: $16.4 billion, total sales: $68.3 billion
Gross profit: $1.4 billion, total workforce: 133,120

8. Finmeccanica -- aircraft, artillery, engines, electronics, vehicles and missiles
Arms sales, $14.6 billion, total sales: $24.1 billion
Gross profit: $ -3.2 billion, total workforce: 70,470

9. L-3 Communications (LLL) -- electronics
Arm sales: $12.5 billion, total sales: $15.2 billion
Gross profit: $956 million, total workforce: 61,000

10. United Technologies (UTX) -- aircraft, electronics, engines
Arm sales: $11.6 billion, total sales: $58.2 billion
Gross profit: $5.3 billion, total workforce: 199,900

https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/business/2013/03/10/10-companies-profi ting-most-from-war/1970997/

Top 10 Defense Contractors:
Total Arms Sales: $256,000,000,000
Gross Profit: $23,000,000,000
Total Workforce: 1,091,290

As the war machine keeps turning...

 

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  posted on 4/15/2017 at 11:08 AM
Just because somebody is making, selling and profiting the tools and means used for war and defense doesn't mean that is always the underlying cause is for the sole sake of profit.

And nobody is saying you have to be fired up or care really, I mean if you would just rather enjoy your beautiful morning why would you want to bring yourself down by coming here to enter in this type of discussion?

 

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  posted on 4/15/2017 at 11:11 AM
Sit down and shut up, is that it, Scott?

Cool. Don't wanna harsh your expertise. Enjoy the discussion.

 

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  posted on 4/15/2017 at 11:12 AM
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Somewhere behind every cause, every crusade and every crisis, someone is getting paid.

I'm sitting here on an amazing morning in eastern Kansas and I'm supposed to get all excited and fired up and want to bomb or kill yet another dictator on another side of the world? A place I'll never go? A place I only know through pictures and images?

Whether by coup or by war...more war, more death, more profit.

Korea
Iran
Guatemala
Congo
Dominican Republic
South Vietnam
Brazil
Chile
Panama
Iraq

Now North Korea?

Yay?

quote:
"In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists, and will persist."


1. Lockheed Martin (LMT) -- aircraft, electronics, missiles, space
Arm sales:$36.3 billion, total sales: $46.5 billion
Gross profit: $2.7 billion, total workforce, 123,000

2. Boeing (BA) -- aircraft, electronics, missiles, space
Arm sales: $31.8 billion, total sales: $68.7 billion
Gross profit: $4 billion, total workforce: 171,700

3. BAE Systems -- aircraft, artillery, electronics, vehicles, missiles, ships
Arm sales: $29.2 billion, total sales: $30.7 billion
Gross profit: $2.3 billion, total workforce: 93,500

4. General Dynamics (GD) -- artillery, electronics, vehicles, small arms, ships
Arm sales: $23.8 billion, total sales: $32.7 billion
Gross profit: $2.5 billion, total workforce: 95,100

5. Raytheon (RTN) -- electronics, missiles
Arm sales: $22.5 billion, total sales: $24.9 billion
Gross profit: $1.9 billion, total workforce: 71,000

6. Northrop Grumman (NOC) -- aircraft, electronics, missiles, ships, space
Arm sales: $21.4 billion, total sales: $26.4 billion
Gross profit: $2.1 billion, total workforce: 72,500

7. EADS -- aircraft, electronics, missiles and space
Arm sales: $16.4 billion, total sales: $68.3 billion
Gross profit: $1.4 billion, total workforce: 133,120

8. Finmeccanica -- aircraft, artillery, engines, electronics, vehicles and missiles
Arms sales, $14.6 billion, total sales: $24.1 billion
Gross profit: $ -3.2 billion, total workforce: 70,470

9. L-3 Communications (LLL) -- electronics
Arm sales: $12.5 billion, total sales: $15.2 billion
Gross profit: $956 million, total workforce: 61,000

10. United Technologies (UTX) -- aircraft, electronics, engines
Arm sales: $11.6 billion, total sales: $58.2 billion
Gross profit: $5.3 billion, total workforce: 199,900

https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/business/2013/03/10/10-companies-profi ting-most-from-war/1970997/

Top 10 Defense Contractors:
Total Arms Sales: $256,000,000,000
Gross Profit: $23,000,000,000
Total Workforce: 1,091,290

As the war machine keeps turning...


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I see your point.

As long as innocent people are being killed you are all in.
You are good with terrorism.
You are supportive of babies being murdered and having the tax-payers foot the bill.
The more black people that are killed in the cities run by Democrats the happier you are.

Understood.

 

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  posted on 4/15/2017 at 11:16 AM
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As long as innocent people are being killed you are all in.
You are good with terrorism.
You are supportive of babies being murdered and having the tax-payers foot the bill.
The more black people that are killed in the cities run by Democrats the happier you are.


You sound like a good guy.

What's your name? I'm Jerry.

 

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  posted on 4/15/2017 at 02:03 PM
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Sit down and shut up, is that it, Scott?

Cool. Don't wanna harsh your expertise. Enjoy the discussion.


Nothing could be further from the truth. I'm sending you a pm.

 

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  posted on 4/15/2017 at 09:39 PM
Maybe Trump could get Hillary,Obama,Pelosi,Kerry & Reid to go to North Korea and talk with him.I mean they all were sooooo great at what they did.When they had the rein's,the whole world was safe,sound,happy & united

 

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  posted on 4/17/2017 at 06:56 PM
I wonder if Kin Jung Un knows what it is like to be on the business end of a laser guided tweet.


 

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  posted on 4/17/2017 at 09:30 PM
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Maybe Trump could get Hillary,Obama,Pelosi,Kerry & Reid to go to North Korea and talk with him.I mean they all were sooooo great at what they did.When they had the rein's,the whole world was safe,sound,happy & united



We should send you to North Korea. If Dennis Rodman was well received, you will probably be offered a high position on his staff.

 

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Another failed missile test from North Korea:

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North Korea test-fires ballistic missile in defiance of world pressure

By Jack Kim and Ju-min Park | SEOUL

World News | Sat Apr 29, 2017 | 10:52pm EDT

North Korea test-fired a ballistic missile on Saturday shortly after U.S. Secretary of State Rex Tillerson warned that failure to curb Pyongyang's nuclear and ballistic missile programs could lead to "catastrophic consequences".

U.S. and South Korean officials said the test, from an area north of the North Korean capital, appeared to have failed, in what would be the North's fourth straight unsuccessful missile test since March.

The test came as the USS Carl Vinson aircraft carrier group arrived in waters near the Korean peninsula, where it began exercises with the South Korean navy on Saturday, about 12 hours after the failed launch, a South Korean navy official said.

Tillerson, in a U.N. Security Council meeting on North Korea on Friday, repeated the Trump administration's position that all options were on the table if Pyongyang persisted with its nuclear and missile development.

U.S. President Donald Trump, asked about his message to North Korea after the test, told reporters: "You'll soon find out" but did not elaborate on what the U.S. response would be.

Separately, in excerpts of an interview with CBS News released on Saturday, Trump said the United States and China would "not be happy" with a nuclear test but gave no other details.

Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi told the U.N. meeting it was not only up to China to solve the North Korean problem.

"The key to solving the nuclear issue on the peninsula does not lie in the hands of the Chinese side," Wang said.

In a commentary on Saturday, China's official Xinhua news agency said both North Korea and the United States needed to tread cautiously.

"If both sides fail to make such necessary concessions, then not only will the two countries, but the whole region and the whole world end up paying a heavy price for a possible confrontation."

Trump, in an interview with Reuters on Thursday, praised Chinese leader Xi Jinping for "trying very hard" on North Korea but warned a "major, major conflict" was possible.

The North has been conducting missile and nuclear weapons related activities at an unprecedented rate and is believed to have made progress in developing intermediate-range and submarine-launched missiles.

Tension on the Korean peninsula has been high for weeks over fears the North may conduct a long-range missile test, or its sixth nuclear test, around the time of the April 15 anniversary of its state founder's birth.

Pope Francis, speaking to reporters, called for another country to mediate the dispute between Pyongyang and Washington, saying the world risked a devastating war.

JAPAN PROTESTS

Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe condemned the test as a grave threat to the international order.

"I urged Russia to play a constructive role in dealing with North Korea," Abe told reporters in London. "Japan is watching how China will act in regard to North Korea."

U.S. officials, speaking on condition of anonymity, said the North Koreans had probably tested a medium-range missile known as a KN-17 and it appeared to have broken up within minutes of taking off.

The South Korean military said the missile reached an altitude of 71 km (44 miles) before disintegrating. It said the launch was a clear violation of U.N. resolutions and warned the North not to act rashly.

With North Korea acting in defiance of the pressure, the United States could conduct new naval drills and deploy more ships and aircraft in the region, a U.S. official told Reuters.

The dispatch of Carl Vinson to the waters off the Korean peninsula is a "reckless action of the war maniacs aimed at an extremely dangerous nuclear war," the Rodong Sinmun, the official newspaper of North Korea's ruling Workers' Party, said in a commentary on Saturday.

Inter-continental ballistic rockets will fly into the United States "if the U.S. shows any slight sign of provocation," the newspaper said.

MORE SANCTIONS MOOTED

Kim Dong-yub, an expert at Kyungnam University's Institute of Far Eastern Studies in Seoul, said North Korea might have got the data it wanted with the missile's short flight, then blown it up in a bid to limit the anger of China, which warned Pyongyang against further provocation.

North Korea rattled world powers in February when it successfully launched a new intermediate-range ballistic missile that it said could carry a nuclear weapon. It also successfully tested ballistic missiles on March 6.

It is not clear what has caused the series of failed missile tests since then.

The Trump administration could respond to the test by speeding up its plans for new U.S. sanctions, including possible measures against specific North Korean and Chinese entities, said the U.S. official, who declined to be identified.

"Something that's ready to go could be taken from the larger package and expedited," said the official.

France also condemned the test and called for a firm reaction.

The U.N. Security Council is likely to start discussing a statement to condemn the missile launch, said diplomats.

But condemnations and sanctions resolutions since 2006, when North Korea conducted its first nuclear test, have done little to impede its push for ballistic missiles and nuclear arms.

The South Korean politician expected to win a May 9 presidential election, Moon Jae-in, called the test an "exercise in futility".

"We urge again the Kim Jong Un regime to immediately stop reckless provocative acts and choose the path to cooperate with the international community," Park Kwang-on, a spokesman for Moon, said in a statement, referring to the North Korean leader.

Moon has advocated a more moderate policy on the North and been critical of the deployment of an advanced U.S. missile defense system in the South intended to counter North Korea's missile threat, which China also strongly objects to.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-northkorea-missiles-idUSKBN17U2XB




A NK nuclear test still may be pending:

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China threatens North Korea with sanctions if nuclear tests persist, Tillerson says
Published April 28, 2017 Fox News

Sec. Tillerson discusses US strategy on North Korea

China has threatened Pyongyang with sanctions if the rogue government continues to disregard calls to stop conducting nuclear tests, which are seen as a provocation to its regional neighbors and the U.S, U.S. Secretary of State Rex Tillerson said.

Tillerson, in an interview with Fox News on Thursday, said that China’s commitment to implement sanctions on their own accord and that North Korea is aware.

"We know that China is in communications with the regime in Pyongyang," Tillerson said. "They confirmed to us that they had requested the regime conduct no further nuclear test."

Although China’s foreign ministry did not immediately comment on the secretary’s remarks, a spokesman said that Beijing remains committed to employing sanctions imposed under U.N. Security Council resolutions.

The potential for joint pressure on North Korea comes just as tensions in the region reach new heights. Earlier Thursday, the senior U.S. Navy officer overseeing military operations in the Pacific said the crisis with North Korea is at the worst point he's ever seen.

"It's real," Adm. Harry Harris Jr., commander of U.S. Pacific Command, said during testimony before the Senate Armed Services Committee. He added that although U.S. intelligence agencies are unsure how far along North Korea’s nuclear missile program is but he has no doubt that North Korean leader Kim Jong Un intends to fulfill his pursuit of a nuclear-tipped missile capable of striking the United States.

Although China has consistently called for an end to North Korea's nuclear weapons program, it opposes unilateral sanctions imposed without a U.N. mandate.

The House GOP leadership announced late Thursday that it would vote next week on new sanctions against North Korea that would target its shipping industry and those who employ North Korean slave labor abroad.

"The time for waiting on North Korea to get its act together is over. Congress has led the effort to institute tough and far-reaching sanctions against Pyongyang," said House Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy, R-Calif.

In the meantime, the U.S. has sent a massive amount of American weaponry to the region. A group of American warships led by the aircraft carrier USS Carl Vinson is in striking range of North Korea "if the president were to call on it," Harris told the committee. A U.S. missile defense system called Terminal High-Altitude Area Defense is being installed in South Korea.

Harris said he has adequate forces to "fight tonight" against North Korea if that were to become necessary.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/04/28/tillerson-china-threatens-north-kor ea-with-sanctions-if-nuclear-tests-persists.html



Meanwhile NK conducts live fire exercises

 

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