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  posted on 3/21/2017 at 11:07 AM
Give the old man some credit... supposedly he has a bad back. I also prefer a band with stronger players and especially other guitar players. But for this show, he sang, played rhythm and lead... like a said, not bad for an old man.

I do not care for Jimmie Vaughn and Gary Clark left me totally flat... the gap in talent was very obvious in the encore when both players joined Clapton on stage for Before you Accuse Me.

Clapton worked mechanically through each song, took little or no time between songs and played a short set to boot. Not to the same extreme, but it reminds me of when everyone bitched about Hubert Summlin sitting in with the ABB at the Beacon. He was way beyond his prime but deserved the recognition, as he got from Derek who was smiling ear to ear while Hubert was on stage.

Clapton won't be playing many more shows where I can see him, so I was glad to have the opportunity. The sound in the venue was excellent (a big surprise) and there were lots of beyond ordinary moments.

I agree with a lot of what tony says... I saw Tears in Heaven as a nod to the majority of the crowd who were there to hear Clapton's hits, not stellar guitar playing. Same for You Look Wonderful Tonight.

I Shot the Sheriff actually had a very nice Clapton solo. I don't especially care for an acoustic Layla, but I don't think he could have pulled it off electric without another guitar player. The acoustic set should not have been four songs, in a short set, but Driftin and Driftin also was very nice.

Little Queen of Spades was my favorite tune of the night, very juicy Clapton blues, but it was not a hit and everyone sat down for it... If this link works, you can hear it:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/ujiqzf5s4141nta/Little%20Queen%20of%20Spades.mp3? dl=0

I don't get to many shows these days, and while this could have been better, sharing a musical experience with friends cannot be beat.

 

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  posted on 3/21/2017 at 12:07 PM
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One friend said it was a "professional " show; that is, he was almost catatonic when he played. Hardly any expressions or even acknowledging the crowd except for the occasional thank you s


Please don't take this as attempting to argue with you, because it is not. Just something that struck me when reading this:

When Derek does the same thing -- no movement, no talking, no expressions, etc. -- everyone thinks it's really cool. When Eric does it (and that's how he's played since, well, forever) it's aloof or something.

Now -- I am a HUGE Clapton fan, so maybe I get defensive, but I find it interesting that he's such a polarizing figure. But also, I think sometimes folks search for things to criticize him about where other musicians get the benefit of the doubt.


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I have seen Clapton 8-9 times, and my comments were about his entire stage persona not only when he played a solo. He was statutelike even while singing; he was on the screen all night and its was unmistakable to me how blank he looked; no smiling, no expressions, no grimacing, nada. I am not criticizing EC just his performance last night. I am a huge fan of EC, but I saw no joy at all last night in his face and that bothers/concerns me. I have a beautiful photo on my phone of him and Jeff Beck at the garden and he has smile from ear to ear while Jeff played. NO smiling at all last night. I though being a legend was fun??!!

 

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  posted on 3/21/2017 at 12:34 PM
Al paul eric is not overrated when jimi hendrix came to london thear wear only two
musicians he wanted to meet eric clapton and jeff beck at that time cream were recording there first record the blues brakers album was out he has had a great solo career
read dave marsh analyssis of eric clapton in rolling stone history of rock and roll.
i could say what you said about gregg and dickey but i won't.


 

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  posted on 3/21/2017 at 01:28 PM
Big Clapton fan here but what marvels me the most in this topic are those OUTRAGIOUS ticket prices. Okay there are a lot of people who appear to be willing to pay those prices but this is RIDICULOUS. Stop paying these prices. Don't go these shows. Boycot them. No matter how much it hurts not attending them. Screw those artists, promoters and Ticketbastard. They are vultures circling the carcass of Rock and Roll. Modern music started as a youth rebellion. It became a big industry that collapsed under it's own weight. I can understand inflation correction and increased prices due to all kind of extra costs and regulations. Also that artists, many in the end fase of their lengthy career, want to cash in because CD sales have dropped immensly. I have no problem in paying twice as much as like then years ago for selected concerts but somewhere you have to draw the line. Before you know it you have to mortgage your house or donate an organ before you can see your favorite artist in a venue filled with loudmouth stockbrokers and their bored housewifes. In stead of paying 600 bucks for one show (nobody it worth that!) you can buy almost 15 or 20 tickets for cool bands in small venues playing like their lives depended on it. Great sounds, great views, great brews and a nice bundle of cash still in your pocket. Rant over.

 

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  posted on 3/21/2017 at 01:57 PM
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Big Clapton fan here but what marvels me the most in this topic are those OUTRAGIOUS ticket prices. Okay there are a lot of people who appear to be willing to pay those prices but this is RIDICULOUS. Stop paying these prices. Don't go these shows. Boycot them. No matter how much it hurts not attending them. Screw those artists, promoters and Ticketbastard. They are vultures circling the carcass of Rock and Roll. Modern music started as a youth rebellion. It became a big industry that collapsed under it's own weight. I can understand inflation correction and increased prices due to all kind of extra costs and regulations. Also that artists, many in the end fase of their lengthy career, want to cash in because CD sales have dropped immensly. I have no problem in paying twice as much as like then years ago for selected concerts but somewhere you have to draw the line. Before you know it you have to mortgage your house or donate an organ before you can see your favorite artist in a venue filled with loudmouth stockbrokers and their bored housewifes. In stead of paying 600 bucks for one show (nobody it worth that!) you can buy almost 15 or 20 tickets for cool bands in small venues playing like their lives depended on it. Great sounds, great views, great brews and a nice bundle of cash still in your pocket. Rant over.



i hear what you're saying but for those of us who like the old timer musicians, pretty soon, they'll be no more concerts left to see.Very sad to think of that reality, but to be truthful I rarely see shows these days.

BTW,ABSNJ is correct-last night the sound was surprisingly good & EC's rhythm playing was also very good.

 

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  posted on 3/21/2017 at 01:58 PM
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Big Clapton fan here but what marvels me the most in this topic are those OUTRAGIOUS ticket prices. Okay there are a lot of people who appear to be willing to pay those prices but this is RIDICULOUS. Stop paying these prices. Don't go these shows. Boycot them. No matter how much it hurts not attending them. Screw those artists, promoters and Ticketbastard. They are vultures circling the carcass of Rock and Roll. Modern music started as a youth rebellion. It became a big industry that collapsed under it's own weight. I can understand inflation correction and increased prices due to all kind of extra costs and regulations. Also that artists, many in the end fase of their lengthy career, want to cash in because CD sales have dropped immensly. I have no problem in paying twice as much as like then years ago for selected concerts but somewhere you have to draw the line. Before you know it you have to mortgage your house or donate an organ before you can see your favorite artist in a venue filled with loudmouth stockbrokers and their bored housewifes. In stead of paying 600 bucks for one show (nobody it worth that!) you can buy almost 15 or 20 tickets for cool bands in small venues playing like their lives depended on it. Great sounds, great views, great brews and a nice bundle of cash still in your pocket. Rant over.


My impression is that many of the people at the show last night were not hard core fans, but a lot of forty-somethings who know Clapton for his hits and his reputation. New York has lots of folks with lots of money to burn, and for those people the money does not mean much.

The same thing happened toward the end of the life of the ABB. There were more and more people on dates at the Beacon who wondered which one was Duane, asked if Dickey Betts was still in the band and came to hear Ramblin' Man.

Despite the prices, and the fact that non premium seats were sold at premium prices, there were not a lot of empty seats.

 

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  posted on 3/21/2017 at 02:28 PM
We stopped going to see Clapton years ago. If he doesn't have Derek Trucks, Steve Winwood, Cream, or is at a special event like Cross Roads, it just seems underwhelming.

If I had paid $500 a ticket, a plane ride, hotel, and food for that set list, well, that would have sucked.

tears in heaven, wonderful tonight, and an acoustic Layla ... Ouch.

Derek being stoic in concert has always bothered me a little. I do wish he had a little more showmanship in him. Clapton has always been the same way too. Just a little more flare would be nice.

 

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  posted on 3/21/2017 at 02:33 PM
I'm writing a review of the show and will hold off mostly for now, but a few things:

as for ticket prices, NYC is NYC.. it's nuts.. most people there did not pay $600 a seat though.

I agree that the sound was amazing... I thought the first two acoustic songs were among the best of the night and the sound on them was so crisp. His playing on Drifting Blues was superb.

Some of the other stuff was perfunctory yes, but I think it's about managing expectations. If you've followed Eric's career, saw the band he was playing with and that there were two opening acts and expected much different than what he did, that's kind of on you.

@hankwilliams - when I said in that piece that I've often found Clapton overrated, I didn't mean in terms of his historical import and I was trying to say that his incredible appearance with the ABB proved me wrong. He came loaded for bear and was great. As far as saying the same about Dickey or Gregg, say what you want. it's indisputable that while he's sometimes coasted Clapton has maintained a far more consistent level of professional appearances than have they.

 

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  posted on 3/21/2017 at 02:53 PM
I was there Monday night and too left with mixed feelings. On the one hand Eric's playing and vocals are a treat to listen to. On the other hand the show did seem way too orchestrated to my liking . Possibly adding 'Got to get better in a Little While , After Midnight and Can't find my way home probably would have had me leaving The Garden with a wide grin.
I'm always comparing shows like last night to The Brother's . In last nights case comparing last nights Clapton Band to the 73-76 Brothers with Chuck and Lamar. Brother's of course win with a knockout in the early rounds.
Last night was a pleasant night out for my wife and I . Musically it just didn't do it for me .

 

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  posted on 3/21/2017 at 03:44 PM
I agree with the post about Steve Jordan and Willie Weeks being his best collaborators on stage in recent years. I thought EC crushed it at the MSG Hurricane Sandy benefit. He came out with those guys and tore it up. I love EC. I think age and his ailments are catching up with him. I also think a handful of shows a year dulls the blade so to speak. As hard as touring can be, the constant work makes for a well oiled machine. It's a catch 22 for the older players.

I wish I had the scratch to pay to see Clapton at this point but as someone else pointed out, I've been into younger up and coming acts for 20 -30 bucks in small venues. it doesn't hurt my appreciation for the likes of EC and the Stones but even the crowd seems boring at msg these days. Very impressed with bands like Lucero, Strand of Oaks, Felice Brothers etc in recent months. Great shows, energetic crowds. Bang for the Buck.

 

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  posted on 3/21/2017 at 04:25 PM
I think the expectations were set by the event itself.

It was billed as a "Celebration of Fifty Years of Music" and tickets were priced at $500 for half the venue.

This led most to believe their would be lots of guests and something special offered along the lines of his Crossroads Guitar Festival. What was delivered was a 1 1/2 hour set of music. It was very much an "average" Clapton show and didn't deliver upon the billing in any way.

For only putting up a few shows, surely EC could have done better than this. Even the openers were average at best. I hate to use the term "cash grab", but this seems to fit the bill pretty good here. The sad thing is that he really doesn't need to do this.

 

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  posted on 3/22/2017 at 01:31 AM
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I have seen Clapton 8-9 times, and my comments were about his entire stage persona not only when he played a solo. He was statutelike even while singing; he was on the screen all night and its was unmistakable to me how blank he looked; no smiling, no expressions, no grimacing, nada. I am not criticizing EC just his performance last night. I am a huge fan of EC, but I saw no joy at all last night in his face and that bothers/concerns me. I have a beautiful photo on my phone of him and Jeff Beck at the garden and he has smile from ear to ear while Jeff played. NO smiling at all last night. I though being a legend was fun??!!


I have seen Clapton I guess 5 times going back to 1974 with Santana as the opener. I honestly don't remember him as much as cracking a smile at ANY of those shows. So this is nothing new. I have caught a few rare smiles on some of the Crossroads DVD's, but as I said, that's rare.

Oh yeah............Eric delivered the goods every time I saw him.

 

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Big Clapton fan here but what marvels me the most in this topic are those OUTRAGIOUS ticket prices. Okay there are a lot of people who appear to be willing to pay those prices but this is RIDICULOUS. Stop paying these prices. Don't go these shows. Boycot them. No matter how much it hurts not attending them. Screw those artists, promoters and Ticketbastard. They are vultures circling the carcass of Rock and Roll. Modern music started as a youth rebellion. It became a big industry that collapsed under it's own weight. I can understand inflation correction and increased prices due to all kind of extra costs and regulations. Also that artists, many in the end fase of their lengthy career, want to cash in because CD sales have dropped immensly. I have no problem in paying twice as much as like then years ago for selected concerts but somewhere you have to draw the line. Before you know it you have to mortgage your house or donate an organ before you can see your favorite artist in a venue filled with loudmouth stockbrokers and their bored housewifes. In stead of paying 600 bucks for one show (nobody it worth that!) you can buy almost 15 or 20 tickets for cool bands in small venues playing like their lives depended on it. Great sounds, great views, great brews and a nice bundle of cash still in your pocket. Rant over.



i hear what you're saying but for those of us who like the old timer musicians, pretty soon, they'll be no more concerts left to see.Very sad to think of that reality, but to be truthful I rarely see shows these days.

BTW,ABSNJ is correct-last night the sound was surprisingly good & EC's rhythm playing was also very good.


Very true; the end of the line is approaching. Starting to feel like the 1980's when the last generation of hard-core jazzmen started to die out. Every year at the Newport Jazz Festival the lineup got thinner and thinner.

Re: the crazy ticket prices the "actuaries" have figured it out pretty well; what the top price should be. And the below face tickets; the millennials sit and wait till the prices dropped as they aren't wedded to the even (and face it - a lot of our "old" contemporaries don't get out as often as they used to.) Same thing happens with US open Tennis. I have a mini plan and got creamed last year (I sell some at close to face if I can to use the ones I wan't.) Everyone was waiting and waiting. It is a brave new world

 

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  posted on 3/22/2017 at 12:43 PM
I've followed Clapton's career for decades, seen him in concert three times, and watched a lot of concert footage. I'm glad that he is still touring (albeit to a limited degree). I could care less if he smiles or engages the audience in dialogue or showmanship. All I care about is the music, and did he give it his all.
The high ticket prices are very unfortunate. It prices many long-term fans out of shows. I was really looking forward to taking my three teenage daughters to see Paul McCartney last year. I feel so lucky to have kids who like some of the great music of the 60's and early 70's. I feel, if anybody is entitled to charge high ticket prices, it would be Paul McCartney. Unfortunately for me, and my daughters, I could not afford the cost. It sounds like the same might be true for a Clapton concert.
I would love to see Clapton downsize to a four piece band (bass, drums, keyboard, and guitar). By reducing the size of the band and crew, they might be able to pass on reduced costs to the fans. Besides, I like it when Clapton shoulders a bit more of the musical load. I believe he could still handle that. I hope so.

 

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I have seen Clapton 8-9 times, and my comments were about his entire stage persona not only when he played a solo. He was statutelike even while singing; he was on the screen all night and its was unmistakable to me how blank he looked; no smiling, no expressions, no grimacing, nada. I am not criticizing EC just his performance last night. I am a huge fan of EC, but I saw no joy at all last night in his face and that bothers/concerns me. I have a beautiful photo on my phone of him and Jeff Beck at the garden and he has smile from ear to ear while Jeff played. NO smiling at all last night. I though being a legend was fun??!!


I have seen Clapton I guess 5 times going back to 1974 with Santana as the opener. I honestly don't remember him as much as cracking a smile at ANY of those shows. So this is nothing new. I have caught a few rare smiles on some of the Crossroads DVD's, but as I said, that's rare.

Oh yeah............Eric delivered the goods every time I saw him.



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