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  posted on 4/24/2010 at 05:39 PM
The lunatic birthers are off their meds again...

http://thinkprogress.org/2010/04/20/arizona-birther-bill/

So, just how are they going to identify illegal immigrants to target?

Brown. Speak Spanish. Dress 'funny'. Yeah, certainly no American citizens fit that bill.

If I lived in Arizona, I would be ashamed.

 

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  posted on 4/24/2010 at 05:52 PM
Republican Revolt Here.

 

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  posted on 4/24/2010 at 06:22 PM
California, Arizona, Texas, etc. all have a serious illegal immigrant problem that's draining the state treasuries. No way I like this bill or think it will stand up in court, however I hope it sends a wake up call to the federal government to do something to stop the problem. I've heard that tightening up the borders and revamping the work visa system would be a possible start.

I have no problem with people having to show documentation for services....I have to show my driver's license all the time....but just stopping someone is wrong. Of course I have a suspicion there will be a lot of 'loitering' stops before long.

 

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  posted on 4/24/2010 at 06:57 PM
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The lunatic birthers are off their meds again...

http://thinkprogress.org/2010/04/20/arizona-birther-bill/

So, just how are they going to identify illegal immigrants to target?

Brown. Speak Spanish. Dress 'funny'. Yeah, certainly no American citizens fit that bill.

If I lived in Arizona, I would be ashamed.




Have you been to Az?

 

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  posted on 4/24/2010 at 07:17 PM
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The lunatic birthers are off their meds again...

So, just how are they going to identify illegal immigrants to target?

Brown. Speak Spanish. Dress 'funny'. Yeah, certainly no American citizens fit that bill.

If I lived in Arizona, I would be ashamed.




Have you been to Az?




No, but I live in south Texas and am very familiar with the illegal immigration issue. I dont want illegals here any more than the next person, but going after them is pointless and a waste of time and resources. They need to target the people and companies that hire them. Make them extreme examples and eventually, you will have cut off the source of jobs for the illegals and you will greatly reduce the incentives to come here.

 

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  posted on 4/24/2010 at 07:31 PM
I heard someone say something about members of the drug cartels coming into Phoenix and kidnapping people and taking them back down to Mexico for ransom. That can't be good for anyone's piece of mind.

 

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The lunatic birthers are off their meds again...

So, just how are they going to identify illegal immigrants to target?

Brown. Speak Spanish. Dress 'funny'. Yeah, certainly no American citizens fit that bill.

If I lived in Arizona, I would be ashamed.




Have you been to Az?




No, but I live in south Texas and am very familiar with the illegal immigration issue. I dont want illegals here any more than the next person, but going after them is pointless and a waste of time and resources. They need to target the people and companies that hire them. Make them extreme examples and eventually, you will have cut off the source of jobs for the illegals and you will greatly reduce the incentives to come here.


what difference does living in So. Texas make? I live in RI and I'd wager a hefty sum that we have more illegals here in the greater Providence area (Prov., Cranston, East Prov., CENTRAL FALLS !!!, Pawtucket, etc.), per capita, than anywhere on this planet.

The rest of your post, I agree with and I'd add, as we all know, they are really draining the system.

 

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  posted on 4/24/2010 at 08:15 PM
If they think illegals are draining their resources now, wait until they find the cost of incarcerating all these illegals, as well as the cost to settle lawsuits the first time they deport a legal US citizen. Funny how California is letting people out of prison early to save money and Arizona is looking to fill theirs up. Good luck with that Arizona.
 

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  posted on 4/24/2010 at 09:11 PM
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If they think illegals are draining their resources now, wait until they find the cost of incarcerating all these illegals, as well as the cost to settle lawsuits the first time they deport a legal US citizen. Funny how California is letting people out of prison early to save money and Arizona is looking to fill theirs up. Good luck with that Arizona.


Hey!

If Sheriff Joe is all for it, it must be ah, well, umm, nevermind.


 

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  posted on 4/24/2010 at 09:18 PM
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California, Arizona, Texas, etc. all have a serious illegal immigrant problem that's draining the state treasuries. No way I like this bill or think it will stand up in court, however I hope it sends a wake up call to the federal government to do something to stop the problem. I've heard that tightening up the borders and revamping the work visa system would be a possible start.

I have no problem with people having to show documentation for services....I have to show my driver's license all the time....but just stopping someone is wrong. Of course I have a suspicion there will be a lot of 'loitering' stops before long.


I agree Ann. If they have papers or ID they should have no problem showing them. I have no problem with them asking me for my ID. If they have no papers and are here illegally then they should leave tomorrow as far as I'm concerned. They are breaking our law by being here, period!!! Send them all back, build a giant wall or secure the border in some way, then have a worker program where we let in the workers we need and can track them and know who they are.

 

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Do you honestly believe that the people of Arizona just woke up one morning and decided to "Just F**k with all people from south of the border"...What?...were they bored out of the minds and someone in the state legislature figured..."What the hell, there's nothing else going on"?....C'mon now...

Or.. Is it just possible that this is a last resort, the state has been SCREAMING about this issue for decades?.... Or that this is truly the voice of the citizens of the great state of Arizona who are sick and tired of throwing their hard earned dollars away on people with very little respect for the law of the land?... or is it possible they've just had enough? The Feds aren't inclined to do any more about it...Sh*t... President Obama has stated on more than one occasion that he firmly believes... "A path to citizenship" is the answer.. LMAO!... I spell that AMNESTY... And who would benefit from that act?... Think about it for just a moment. if you entered this country ILLEGALLY and the President were to take your side...

For whom would you vote when/if given the opportunity to do so?..Gee whiz Mr. Wizard...how big a new block of voters for the Democratic party would that represent?

Wake up and smelll the coffee people......

 

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  posted on 4/24/2010 at 09:58 PM
i stated thos for a long time on the health reform chats. If amnesty is granted at this point in time with the economy in the dumps (after industreis such as construction and hospitality mad fortunes exploiting illegals) the costs of covering millions of illegals is going to financially destroy the country
 

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  posted on 4/24/2010 at 10:15 PM
No doubt the state is getting desperate. The federal government has done squat to resolve this problem in any way. If any issue is crying out for a bi-partisan compromise it is this one. I also would point out that if their were more legitimate opportunity in Mexico people would be less likely to cross the border. You will never keep people out who are determined to come in. Any business that employs illegals knowingly should be shut down. But I know there is a large market in fake documentation so I doubt this would solve the problem.

 

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  posted on 4/24/2010 at 10:27 PM
I'm hoping this will be a wake up call for D.C. to get something reasonable done. As for the number of Hispanics.....I'm seeing more and more of them around here but not as many as I used to see, come to think about it. You have to stop and wonder why someone would think working in a chicken plant is better than what's in their own country.

I did read that some of the illegal immigration is slowing due to our poor economy.....I guess it's an ill wind that doesn't blow some good.

 

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  posted on 4/24/2010 at 10:44 PM
Every once in a Blue moon (Usually after some beers) haha...I'll find myself in a "discussion" about this at one of my local watering holes. Invariably, I will ask... "What do you have to say about the person who stands in line and enters the USA legally"? They'll look at you like you're speaking Chinese and state that they believe the transgression of entering Illegally to be a "minor" offense and then, they just shrug their shoulders and add to that answer using some sort of ridiculous rationale, not really addressing the question asked....."It's not that big a deal"...or "Would you pay $4 for strawberries"?... "It's the fault of the companies that employ them".... I'll wait and once again respond with a well thought out...'It's breaking the law, the very first LAW they encounter".... They'll shrug their shoulders once again and fire off some more of that great rationale.....

I'll shrug my shoulders and ask them if they personally drive without a driver's License...

 

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  posted on 4/24/2010 at 11:48 PM
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what difference does living in So. Texas make?


I was addressing the question as to whether I had ever been to AZ since I couldnt see what difference that would make.

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I live in RI and I'd wager a hefty sum that we have more illegals here in the greater Providence area (Prov., Cranston, East Prov., CENTRAL FALLS !!!, Pawtucket, etc.), per capita, than anywhere on this planet.


Ooo a per capita qualifier... yep, I would agree with that. Meanwhile, I can take you to several hundred illegals in a matter of minutes here. Meanwhile, RI only has a little over 200 sq miles more in their entire state than I have in my county. We also have more people in this one county than you have in your entire state, so it looks as if the per capita game isnt up to par.

 

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Do you honestly believe that the people of Arizona just woke up one morning and decided to "Just F**k with all people from south of the border"...What?...were they bored out of the minds and someone in the state legislature figured..."What the hell, there's nothing else going on"?....C'mon now...

Or.. Is it just possible that this is a last resort, the state has been SCREAMING about this issue for decades?.... Or that this is truly the voice of the citizens of the great state of Arizona who are sick and tired of throwing their hard earned dollars away on people with very little respect for the law of the land?... or is it possible they've just had enough? The Feds aren't inclined to do any more about it...Sh*t... President Obama has stated on more than one occasion that he firmly believes... "A path to citizenship" is the answer.. LMAO!... I spell that AMNESTY... And who would benefit from that act?... Think about it for just a moment. if you entered this country ILLEGALLY and the President were to take your side...

For whom would you vote when/if given the opportunity to do so?..Gee whiz Mr. Wizard...how big a new block of voters for the Democratic party would that represent?

Wake up and smelll the coffee people......


I totally get what you are saying BUT this is not the way to go about it. Theres no way under the Constitution that you can single out people for this purpose nor is there any way you can develop any form of probable cause for this purpose. IF this goes into action before it can be challenged legally, it will be a really sad day. If I was a law enforcement officer in Arizona, there would be no way on Earth I would start approaching Hispanic people and trying to determine if they were here legally or not. May as well start handing out brownshirts and posters as to how to recognize Jews, er, I mean, Illegals.

 

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  posted on 4/25/2010 at 12:33 AM
I find it absurdly interesting that so many on the right side of the aisle have tried to convince the country that Obama would be coming for them and it's a Republican governor who throws the door wide open.

 

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I find it absurdly interesting that so many on the right side of the aisle have tried to convince the country that Obama would be coming for them and it's a Republican governor who throws the door wide open.


How does the tired old argument go..?. "Well if you're not doing anything wrong, then you have nothing to worry about"....

 

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I find it absurdly interesting that so many on the right side of the aisle have tried to convince the country that Obama would be coming for them and it's a Republican governor who throws the door wide open.


How does the tired old argument go..?. "Well if you're not doing anything wrong, then you have nothing to worry about"....




And by that you mean if you have white skin you have nothing to worry about. What if you are a US citizen who is of Mexican decent and just happened to forget your wallet one morning. Sorry bud, you have brown skin - you get a night in the slammer and a one way ticket for a Mexican vacation. This will happen, it is just a matter of time.

 

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I find it absurdly interesting that so many on the right side of the aisle have tried to convince the country that Obama would be coming for them and it's a Republican governor who throws the door wide open.


How does the tired old argument go..?. "Well if you're not doing anything wrong, then you have nothing to worry about"....




And by that you mean if you have white skin you have nothing to worry about. What if you are a US citizen who is of Mexican decent and just happened to forget your wallet one morning. Sorry bud, you have brown skin - you get a night in the slammer and a one way ticket for a Mexican vacation. This will happen, it is just a matter of time.


That doesn't fly. If you do have a valid ID and give info that matches what is on file than chances are you won't be incacerated. If you speak well enough english to converse with an officer and you give info that jives, leaving your wallet at home isn't gonna matter.

And for your info, a cop can arrest anyone for not possesing a valid ID. Sure enough, it will be dropped if you can prove you are legit. People fail to realize, arrest can happen to anyone for suspicion of ANYTHING, that doesn't mean you are guilty untill you are in a court room. This kind of stuff has been going on forever. The circumstances may be different but the situation is the same.

 

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  posted on 4/25/2010 at 03:06 AM
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If they think illegals are draining their resources now, wait until they find the cost of incarcerating all these illegals, as well as the cost to settle lawsuits the first time they deport a legal US citizen. Funny how California is letting people out of prison early to save money and Arizona is looking to fill theirs up. Good luck with that Arizona.


Deportation to Mexico from Arizona is pretty cheap. Nothing in the proposed legislation says that Arizona is gonna incarcerate those who fail to provide proper documentation. Just deport tham back to the border. I seriously doubt that a documented US citizen couldn't provide proof of citizenship before a jurisdictions 72 hour window of arraignment or reeease of a suspected offender.

 

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  posted on 4/25/2010 at 07:24 AM
what's wrong with per capita?


 

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Nothing 'wrong', but it can be somewhat incorrectly applied. You were saying that per capita, you believe you have more illegal aliens than say, here in San Antonio. The facts dont support that belief. If our population here was smaller (much smaller), then yeah, maybe so.

 

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  posted on 4/25/2010 at 07:33 AM
I stand corrected.

California, Arizona,Texas, Nevada top four. (per capita)

Illinois is up there too.

we're 17th.

maybe it just SEEMS like we're Number 1.

hey, cut me some slack man. I live in RI. It's an identity crisis just living here.

 
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