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  posted on 8/20/2010 at 07:51 AM


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With some morals, and ethics we wouldn't gotten here. But you can't put expectations of ethics or morals on people who are trying to make money because Money is the most importnat thing in the world. It's the only thing that lasts forever so it's gets rank above logic, morals and ethics......

 

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Does America know it is Bankrupt ?
No. But China does.

 

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Only one little problem with all this: no one in Washington, with the power to start doing anything about this, will.

 

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With some morals, and ethics we wouldn't gotten here. But you can't put expectations of ethics or morals on people who are trying to make money because Money is the most importnat thing in the world. It's the only thing that lasts forever so it's gets rank above logic, morals and ethics......
Just curious; who has the moral and ethical deficit? The politicians who designed the programs who should have known that the Ponzi scheme nature of them would eventually collapse? The politicians who have ignored or willfully misrepresented their status decade after decade? Or the people who keep electing them, hoping that they can eventually get their payoff and avoid the harsh truths?

Aww heck, I guess all of them do.

 

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With some morals, and ethics we wouldn't gotten here. But you can't put expectations of ethics or morals on people who are trying to make money because Money is the most importnat thing in the world. It's the only thing that lasts forever so it's gets rank above logic, morals and ethics......
Just curious; who has the moral and ethical deficit? The politicians who designed the programs who should have known that the Ponzi scheme nature of them would eventually collapse? The politicians who have ignored or willfully misrepresented their status decade after decade? Or the people who keep electing them, hoping that they can eventually get their payoff and avoid the harsh truths?

Aww heck, I guess all of them do.


I will never agree with blaming the politicians for everything. I'll never understand that.

 

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  posted on 8/20/2010 at 11:09 AM
You're right, cant blame the politicians for everything. It's the people that vote em in,
over and over. But the dems and obama can take the blame since '06.
Remember in November and vote em OUT!
End the War.
Close the borders.

 

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You're right, cant blame the politicians for everything. It's the people that vote em in,
over and over. But the dems and obama can take the blame since '06.
Remember in November and vote em OUT!
End the War.
Close the borders.


Obama's fault since 06?

Brent, how hard would it be to post even once without blaming Obama, and the posters here who voted for him, for everything from a cold kitchen floor to no pop in your Rice Krispies? It doesn't make you look like the sharpest tool in the shed to constantly blame everything on the one person charged with trying to clean up your boy Bush's mess. Does this make any sense to you at all? I'm asking you this sincerely.

 

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And also, by your logic, is it OK to blame everyone who voted for Bush for the wars he started?

 

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With some morals, and ethics we wouldn't gotten here. But you can't put expectations of ethics or morals on people who are trying to make money because Money is the most importnat thing in the world. It's the only thing that lasts forever so it's gets rank above logic, morals and ethics......
Just curious; who has the moral and ethical deficit? The politicians who designed the programs who should have known that the Ponzi scheme nature of them would eventually collapse? The politicians who have ignored or willfully misrepresented their status decade after decade? Or the people who keep electing them, hoping that they can eventually get their payoff and avoid the harsh truths?

Aww heck, I guess all of them do.
I will never agree with blaming the politicians for everything. I'll never understand that.
I'm with you 100%, especially on issues that span multiple Presidencies/Congress' and/or multiple decades.

 

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With some morals, and ethics we wouldn't gotten here. But you can't put expectations of ethics or morals on people who are trying to make money because Money is the most importnat thing in the world. It's the only thing that lasts forever so it's gets rank above logic, morals and ethics......
Just curious; who has the moral and ethical deficit? The politicians who designed the programs who should have known that the Ponzi scheme nature of them would eventually collapse? The politicians who have ignored or willfully misrepresented their status decade after decade? Or the people who keep electing them, hoping that they can eventually get their payoff and avoid the harsh truths?

Aww heck, I guess all of them do.
I will never agree with blaming the politicians for everything. I'll never understand that.
I'm with you 100%, especially on issues that span multiple Presidencies/Congress' and/or multiple decades.


Then why do you blame the politicians for everything?

 

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  posted on 8/20/2010 at 12:00 PM
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But the dems and obama can take the blame since '06.


wtf?

 

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But the dems and obama can take the blame since '06.


wtf?


Bush only served 6 years.

 

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  posted on 8/20/2010 at 12:33 PM
George Carlin said it best "It's one big club, and you and I aren't in it". Anyone that thinks that one party is more responsible than the other has fallen prey to the divide and conquer politics that permeate our republic. They are quite simply both to blame. One not more than the other, both equally. Our government has been compromised and I am not sure there is a good way out. There may be only one way out!

 

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  posted on 8/20/2010 at 12:34 PM
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George Carlin said it best "It's one big club, and you and I aren't in it". Anyone that thinks that one party is more responsible than the other has fallen prey to the divide and conquer politics that permeate our republic. They are quite simply both to blame. One not more than the other, both equally. Our government has been compromised and I am not sure there is a good way out. There may be only one way out!


I wasn't talking about blame. I was talking about basic differences. There are several.

 

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  posted on 8/20/2010 at 12:44 PM
They use the basic differences to put a wedge into America.

I see way more similarities when it comes to finance, war, and the federal reserve. In the long run, the basic differences won't mean a whole lot. I don't see anyone, including the media, that is trying to bring America together? We should be coming together, instead we are being pushed furthur apart every day. Something has to give.

 

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  posted on 8/20/2010 at 12:50 PM
I'm just talking about the general rape and pillage attitude of businesses. Make money for the sake of making money even if in the process the tactics they use end up hurting the economy as a whole, See mortgage lending tactic's in the early 2000's, drive people into BK.............etc. So that those who already have more than they could ever spend can have a little more....No a lot more....No morals....No ethics...no real purpose

We as a society have accepted that.....and encouraged it........because we all thought we'd get a piece along the way...sort of like the gamblers in Reno or Vegas that think their gonna be the winner. Drive by one of the homes of the owner of the casino...he's the only real winner...and the state sponsors a gambling scam that they deem legal....and those who go there and waste their money are to blame. Oh yeah someone wins once in a while...they do need bait

yada yada yada.....waa waa waa....dribble dribble dribble...all a bunch of BS we accept with open arms

 

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  posted on 8/20/2010 at 12:55 PM
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They use the basic differences to put a wedge into America.

I see way more similarities when it comes to finance, war, and the federal reserve. In the long run, the basic differences won't mean a whole lot. I don't see anyone, including the media, that is trying to bring America together? We should be coming together, instead we are being pushed furthur apart every day. Something has to give.


Of course there are basic differences, especially when it comes to finance and war. There are wide opinions on how we should spend our money and the levels of how we should spend it on each other, if at all. I know a fellow who is all for endless war as he believes that is the best way to keep an economic and military balance on a geopolitical level. There's all kinds of basic differences.

Bring America together? You can bring everyone together to a point. If everyone agreed 100% on everything it wouldn't be America anymore.

 

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With some morals, and ethics we wouldn't gotten here. But you can't put expectations of ethics or morals on people who are trying to make money because Money is the most importnat thing in the world. It's the only thing that lasts forever so it's gets rank above logic, morals and ethics......
Just curious; who has the moral and ethical deficit? The politicians who designed the programs who should have known that the Ponzi scheme nature of them would eventually collapse? The politicians who have ignored or willfully misrepresented their status decade after decade? Or the people who keep electing them, hoping that they can eventually get their payoff and avoid the harsh truths?

Aww heck, I guess all of them do.
I will never agree with blaming the politicians for everything. I'll never understand that.
I'm with you 100%, especially on issues that span multiple Presidencies/Congress' and/or multiple decades.
Then why do you blame the politicians for everything?
I don't - you either haven't been listening or misunderstand. I fault govt for reaching far beyond Constitutional mandates. I comment negatively on certain politicians when they do or suggest more of the same. But I ultimately blame the citizens for allowing this to happen by continuing to vote in people who take us in the same direction, whether R or D. I've suggested for years that we citizens ask and expect far too much from our central govt, given what it was set up to do, creating a dependency state instead of a free one. Sorry if you missed all that.

 

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  posted on 8/20/2010 at 12:57 PM
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They use the basic differences to put a wedge into America.

I see way more similarities when it comes to finance, war, and the federal reserve. In the long run, the basic differences won't mean a whole lot. I don't see anyone, including the media, that is trying to bring America together? We should be coming together, instead we are being pushed furthur apart every day. Something has to give.


Of course there are basic differences, especially when it comes to finance and war. There are wide opinions on how we should spend our money and the levels of how we should spend it on each other, if at all. I know a fellow who is all for endless war as he believes that is the best way to keep an economic and military balance on a geopolitical level. There's all kinds of basic differences.

Bring America together? You can bring everyone together to a point. If everyone agreed 100% on everything it wouldn't be America anymore.


Point taken. Our goal should be to have disagreements be as civil as possible.

 

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But I ultimately blame the citizens for allowing this to happen by continuing to vote in people who take us in the same direction, whether R or D. I've suggested for years that we citizens ask and expect far too much from our central govt, given what it was set up to do, creating a dependency state instead of a free one. Sorry if you missed all that.


I get all that, but I also place great stock in the individual financial behaviors of the populace.

 

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But I ultimately blame the citizens for allowing this to happen by continuing to vote in people who take us in the same direction, whether R or D. I've suggested for years that we citizens ask and expect far too much from our central govt, given what it was set up to do, creating a dependency state instead of a free one. Sorry if you missed all that.
I get all that, but I also place great stock in the individual financial behaviors of the populace.
Exactly! Imagine politicians facing a citizenry who not only planned for their individual financial security, but also couldn't be BS'd about the fiscal state of the nation. A politician's worse nightmare!

Take SS. It can easily be proved that even people of average earnings can, over their working lifetime, amass far greater wealth than SS will ever return to them. Wealth that could be passed to their heirs to form generational security. Federal govt has taken 12.4% of all earnings for decades, squandering that on yearly spending and leaving the citizens with nothing more than IOU's. Could we not have set up a better system where far less was taken to aid those truly unable to help themselves, with everyone else expected to plan for themselves? Of course, a whole investment segment could be established to aid individuals in this lifelong pursuit, properly regulated to ensure best practices and reasonable costs.

Of course anyone can shot holes in any proposal, and I recognize my scenario has its problems. But I can't imagine anything worse than the centralized, politician-controlled monstrosity we've permitted.

 

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