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  posted on 10/11/2010 at 05:23 AM


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  posted on 10/11/2010 at 06:07 AM
Maybe if CC had not been met with such a violent welcome when he landed on the Samaná Peninsula where he met the hostile Ciguayos shooting arrows at them (hence the name..Bay of Arrows) there would have been a different outcome, and outlook
If we had reporters and CNN throughout history we would look at the world, and so called hero's differently.
Did most of you know tha tGeorge Washington crossing the Deleware was a beer run?
No disrespect intended Rydethwind, but I must assume you are either a black man, or of American Indian heritage, which is great in any case. But no other ethnic group really cares, because it does not affect their history.
As you may of guessed, I am of Italian desent, lol, but I don't think that is why I am defending him
It was Spain who financed him anyway, and they celebrate CD themselves!
The lack of reponse to your post shows it is not high on the list, or on the mind of most people.
School names, cities, roadways would all have to change their names also.
I have served this country all my life, and I am not blind or naive to what has gone on in history, and the present day. I am sometimes ashamed, but realize some unsavory actions are required in order to achieve an objective.
Take this back to a time when laws did not rule the land, and you get a primative response.
In any case, this is still a great country, the greatest on the planet. I could care less who discovered it, Leif Ericson, CC, or Ray Charles.
Enjoy the Day off!! It's a Holiday!!


 

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  posted on 10/11/2010 at 06:51 AM
The Native schools are closed here for the hoiday but the White schools have to go.
 

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  posted on 10/11/2010 at 07:03 AM
I have the day off! It's all good!

 

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  posted on 10/11/2010 at 08:57 AM
It is to my amazement that this post sits with little response yet people will post all day about Sarah Palin or the color of Obamas underware but it just shows the same ole story mention the holocaust and folks go wild with madness yet mention atrocities to native peoples and nada zip zero... pretty sad, Oh well ... I know i do not celebrate this day..

 

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  posted on 10/11/2010 at 09:43 AM
I have never had Columbus day off.
 

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  posted on 10/11/2010 at 09:53 AM
read the book, "Trail of Tears"....it will give you a different prespective...

We are here now and there is not anything we can do about it but when you"discover" a land that is already inhabited, it doesn't mean it is yours for the taking..

it means you are a visitor, right ?

 

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  posted on 10/11/2010 at 10:04 AM
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read the book, "Trail of Tears"....it will give you a different prespective...

We are here now and there is not anything we can do about it but when you"discover" a land that is already inhabited, it doesn't mean it is yours for the taking..

it means you are a visitor, right ?


You would think so. But the US belief is even if you don't discover it,do what you have to in order to get it,or control it.

 

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  posted on 10/11/2010 at 10:04 AM
No doubt Columbus was a scum bag. He caused a lot of human pain and suffering. Disgraceful and hideous d-bag of a person.

 

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It is to my amazement that this post sits with little response yet people will post all day about Sarah Palin or the color of Obamas underware but it just shows the same ole story mention the holocaust and folks go wild with madness yet mention atrocities to native peoples and nada zip zero... pretty sad, Oh well ... I know i do not celebrate this day..


Me neither.

 

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read the book, "Trail of Tears"....it will give you a different prespective...

We are here now and there is not anything we can do about it but when you"discover" a land that is already inhabited, it doesn't mean it is yours for the taking..

it means you are a visitor, right ?


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You would think so. But the US belief is even if you don't discover it,do what you have to in order to get it,or control it.


sad but true...

i love this country and I feel blessed to be here...

but not seeing "Columbus day" for what it is , in this day and age, to me is impossible..

 

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  posted on 10/11/2010 at 10:15 AM
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read the book, "Trail of Tears"....it will give you a different prespective...

We are here now and there is not anything we can do about it but when you"discover" a land that is already inhabited, it doesn't mean it is yours for the taking..

it means you are a visitor, right ?




That's what I would think...


That good old "European Superiority" sure changed that.

 

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  posted on 10/11/2010 at 10:29 AM
In 1991, I spent several days in Aruba, then in Curacau. The lady I was with was big into local culture, history, ect. and I enjoy that too, so we spent a lot of time in museums and talking with local people.

Although only about 40 miles apart, the climates of the two islands are radically different.
Curacau (hope I'm spelling that right) is tropical, getting around 80 inches of annual rainfall.
Aruba is arid. Very dry. Gets less than 25 inches a year. The relevence is that Curacau is excellent for growing, Aruba is not. The Dutch colonized both islands. On Curacau, their first order of business was to kill all the locals. They then replaced them with African slaves and established sugar cane and other plantations to use in international trade.
On Aruba, no such potential existed, due to the lack of rainfall. Thus the Arawak natives were spared a similar fate.
Interesting study in how the love of money is the root of so much evil.

 
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  posted on 10/11/2010 at 12:09 PM
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I have never had Columbus day off.

I don't know many people that do

 

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  posted on 10/11/2010 at 12:42 PM
History proves Columbus to be nothing but another explorer...Why all the fuss and a Holiday for such an ...."Old way of thinking"?

 

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  posted on 10/11/2010 at 01:08 PM
I don't think Columbus is as much responsible for the eradication of the Native American people and their way of life as white European settlers were during the westward migration after the American Revolution. Black folks got a raw deal through slavery, but NA's got bad deal after bad deal through broken treaties and forced relocation. More has been done through the Civil Rights movement to make the playing field level for black folks, but what has been done to make things right for NA's? Not much, IMO.

 

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  posted on 10/11/2010 at 02:34 PM
I agree with Dave's post. columbus was a murderer and slave trader, who killed/tortured and/or enslaved native cubans, africans, but not native americans. the first european settlers are responsible for this. im not justifiying columbus' deeds, but he was an employee of the queen of spain.

the soprano's had an episode dealing with columbus day protesters: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbbMIg-Aw8E

 

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  posted on 10/11/2010 at 03:18 PM
As a member of the Seneca tribe ( same as Karen big6peachhead), Columbus was a murderer and slave trader and i agree that Columbus Day is a farce...how do you discover a place that is already inhabited and "claim" it as your own? Im pretty damn sure my neighbor would be pissed if i walked in his front door and took over on his lazyboy and wife and said this is now my house.......now make me some thanksgiving dinner!! No racism please!

 

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  posted on 10/11/2010 at 03:53 PM
Some great posts folks It is nice to see that some understand the problem,it is also sad the the U.S Gov't still does not get it... when i speak of N.A's I am speaking in general of all ideginous peoples from tera del flego to the north pole all were effected by European invasion the past is done and we should not live in the past but we also should not forget the mistakes we make and try to do better in the future abolishing columbus day and as the video suggests instead have a all ideginous peoples day... thanks folks for the support.. Mike

 

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What should we do with Thanksgiving ???

 

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  posted on 10/11/2010 at 04:11 PM
Aw crap! I thought it was a holiday for Columbus OHIO!
And we get the day off because the Buckeyes just got ranked 1st in the Nation!!

(Just trying to lighten things up around here for cryin' out loud.....)

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Some great posts folks It is nice to see that some understand the problem,it is also sad the the U.S Gov't still does not get it... when i speak of N.A's I am speaking in general of all ideginous peoples from tera del flego to the north pole all were effected by European invasion the past is done and we should not live in the past but we also should not forget the mistakes we make and try to do better in the future abolishing columbus day and as the video suggests instead have a all ideginous peoples day... thanks folks for the support.. Mike

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  posted on 10/11/2010 at 04:26 PM
It is ridiculous to say someone 'discovered' America when it was already full with millions of humans. Yes, the trip itself was impressive, but he didn't 'discover' anything because the Asian immigrants were here thousands of years earlier.

On the other hand, the idea that the rest of the world would never come to the Americas is ridiculous. The interaction would have happened eventually and the passing on of disease was inevitable. Fact of life.

However, the attempted genocide of deliberately using small pox and the rest as a weapon was despicable. Even burning the prized and well-cultivated peach orchards was pathetic. The Tribes got raw deal after raw deal. Treaties signed, gold or silver found afterwards, treaties trashed.

Then again, it wasn't exactly a peaceful paradise here before the white man showed up either. People kicked off of land, murder, no use for the wheel, minimal written language, human sacrifice in some cultures including here in North America as well as the fact that there was slavery by the Tribes both before the white man came and afterwards as well. There were tribes that were stone cold murderous. Other tribes, however, formed federations that were the basis of and a big influence on our democrcay, which is way cool. And, the European white man's view of nature was lame and the Tribes had it right in many ways concerning respecting the land. And, I give credit to the Asian immigrant Tribes who actualy fought back as opposed to those in western and central Africa who did not organize and fight back even though raided for slavery for 400 years. What was the name of the great anti-slavery war in Africa? Columbus reaching shore was not a good day for Native Americans or my Cherokee ancestors.

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  posted on 10/11/2010 at 05:44 PM
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What should we do with Thanksgiving ???


Meet at your house!!!!!

 

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Meet at your house!!!!!


Corrected your spelling.

MEAT at your house.





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