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  posted on 7/23/2011 at 11:52 AM


I'm very sorry to hear this....R.I.P.

 

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  posted on 7/23/2011 at 12:00 PM
Is anyone the least bit surprised???

 

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  posted on 7/23/2011 at 12:01 PM
Hardly surprising, though. Anyone who has attended an AA meeting knows the phrase "there are those that incapable of attaining sobriety...."

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  posted on 7/23/2011 at 12:05 PM
Such a talented singer and songwriter. What a waste.

 

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  posted on 7/23/2011 at 12:10 PM
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Hardly surprising, though. Anyone who has attended an AA meeting knows the phrase "there are those that incapable of attaining sobriety...."

Great to see you again, Kenny!


Very sad-- a wonderful artist....

Just like the AA unwritten rule to judge people for not attaining sobriety at the moment of death....

A bit harsh,but just saying'.......

 

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  posted on 7/23/2011 at 12:11 PM
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Hardly surprising, though. Anyone who has attended an AA meeting knows the phrase "there are those that incapable of attaining sobriety...."



Sadly, I'm not surprised but that does not make it any less tragic...

She seemed to me to be carrying a crushing weight of inner pain that even her fame could not lift her up from.

RIP Amy

[Edited on 7/23/2011 by les_paul_sunburst]

 

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  posted on 7/23/2011 at 12:14 PM
And strangely, yet another music performer who dies at the age of 27...

Known as "The 27 Club" she joins

Jim Morrison
Janis Joplin
Kurt Cobain
Jimi Hendrix
Brian Jones
Alan Wilson of Canned Heat
Gary Thain of Uriah Heep


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  posted on 7/23/2011 at 12:18 PM
BREAKING NEWS: Amy Winehouse, 27, found dead at her London flat
By Sarah Bull

Amy Winehouse has been found dead at her home in London.
The Back To Black singer was found at the property by emergency services at 3.54pm this afternoon, according to sources, and her death is being treated as 'unexplained' by police.
In a statement, the Metropolitan Police said: 'Police were called by London Ambulance Service to an address in Camden Square NW1 shortly before 16.05hrs today, Saturday 23 July, following reports of a woman found deceased.

'On arrival officers found the body of a 27-year-old female who was pronounced dead at the scene.
'Enquiries continue into the circumstances of the death. At this early stage it is being treated as unexplained.’
It is not known whether Amy’s father Mitch actually knows about his daughter’s death and Sky News have confirmed that he is currently on a plane to New York to take part in a Jazz festival.

Winehouse had been seen with her goddaughter Dionne Bromfield earlier this week as the teenager took to the stage at the iTunes festival.
She refused to join in for Mama Said, but did support the 14-year-old with a few dance moves before urging the crowd to buy Dionne's new album Good For The Soul.
A source said: 'Amy staggered onstage and grabbed the mic to beg the crowd to buy her protege’s new album.'

Winehouse's appearance at the concert came after she cancelled her European tour following a disastrous performance in June when she stumbled onto the stage in Belgrade and gave an incoherent performance appearing very disorientated and removed from reality.
Following the concert which saw fans enraged and the subsequent video that circulated to millions she cancelled the remaining dates of her European tour.

A statement released by the troubled singer's spokesperson said that the singer would be given 'as long as it takes' to recover.
The statement read: 'Amy Winehouse is withdrawing from all scheduled performances.

Winehouse has had a troubled life which has included various stints in rehab for drug and alcohol addiction.

In an interview in 2008, her mother Janis said she would be unsurprised if her daughter died before her time.

She said: 'I've known for a long time that my daughter has problems. But seeing it on screen rammed it home. I realise my daughter could be dead within the year. We're watching her kill herself, slowly.

'I've already come to terms with her dead. I've steeled myself to ask her what ground she wants to be buried in, which cemetery. Because the drugs will get her if she stays on this road.
'I look at Heath Ledger and Britney. She's on their path. It's like watching a car crash - this person throwing all these gifts away.'
As well her battles with drugs and alcohol, Winehouse also had a troubled marriage to Blake Fielder-Civil, who she divorced in summer 2009.

Fielder-Civil and Winehouse married in 2007 in Miami. The pair's relationship - heavily documented by the media - saw them appearing in public bloodied and bruised after fights.

It is also alleged former music video producer Fielder-Civil was the one who introduced the Back to Black star to heroin and crack cocaine.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2018020/Amy-Winehouse-dead--Fo und-dead-London-flat.html

 

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  posted on 7/23/2011 at 12:20 PM
some may proclaim I saw it coming
some will find cosmic parallel in intwined
some will say man, what a tragedy
Good Bye Amy Sweet Good Bye
But remember as we may feel to judge
Fifteen years ago, when we are all still wise and unerring
That this was a little girl of twelve
Who didn't invent drugs or even want them probably
But someone with evil in their heart
Felt the need to show that girl a path of darkness
But she was a sweet girl of twelve I can most guarantee
Rest now sweet girl

 

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  posted on 7/23/2011 at 12:28 PM
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  posted on 7/23/2011 at 12:50 PM
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Is anyone the least bit surprised???


Not at all but it's still very sad....she had an amazing set of pipes but obviously it all went to her head long before she could really establish being a force in the music business....RIP Amy...

 

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  posted on 7/23/2011 at 12:51 PM
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Hardly surprising, though. Anyone who has attended an AA meeting knows the phrase "there are those that incapable of attaining sobriety...."

Great to see you again, Kenny!


Very sad-- a wonderful artist....

Just like the AA unwritten rule to judge people for not attaining sobriety at the moment of death....

A bit harsh,but just saying'.......


I think you are letting your dislike of me affect your objectivity. I've been a member of AA since 1985. How many meetings have you been to? If you had been to one, you would know that anyone who is unwilling or unable to help himself will not be helped by AA. The help is there. All one has to do is accept it. Sadly, some are not capable of doing that.

In no way was my comment judgemental. It was factual. If anything, my post was sympathetic - but that would require an appreciation of nuance....

I was - and am - very lucky. Sadly, she was not.

 

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  posted on 7/23/2011 at 12:53 PM
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Hardly surprising, though. Anyone who has attended an AA meeting knows the phrase "there are those that incapable of attaining sobriety...."

Great to see you again, Kenny!


Very sad-- a wonderful artist....

Just like the AA unwritten rule to judge people for not attaining sobriety at the moment of death....

A bit harsh,but just saying'.......


And BTW, my comment was directed to ODR, who is a kindred brother of mine, and who I know appreciated what I meant, since we both speak the same language....

 

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  posted on 7/23/2011 at 12:58 PM
Live fast die young. How many times have we seen this story. Very talented and gone too soon. 27 yrs old.

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Hardly surprising, though. Anyone who has attended an AA meeting knows the phrase "there are those that incapable of attaining sobriety...."

Great to see you again, Kenny!


Very sad-- a wonderful artist....

Just like the AA unwritten rule to judge people for not attaining sobriety at the moment of death....

A bit harsh,but just saying'.......


I think you are letting your dislike of me affect your objectivity. I've been a member of AA since 1985. How many meetings have you been to? If you had been to one, you would know that anyone who is unwilling or unable to help himself will not be helped by AA. The help is there. All one has to do is accept it. Sadly, some are not capable of doing that.

In no way was my comment judgemental. It was factual. If anything, my post was sympathetic - but that would require an appreciation of nuance....

I was - and am - very lucky. Sadly, she was not.


I didn't take your post as judgemental at all Rich and in fact I agreed with it .

I had a good friend who is no longer with us who streadfastly refused all help and support offered including AA. They were determined to drink themself to death and they succeeded in doing exactly that.

 

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  posted on 7/23/2011 at 01:15 PM
Not the least bit surprised but still shocked to read. Just incredibly sad to hear this. Another incredible talent gone to waste. Understanding her issues and condition, her handlers still convinced her to book a tour and take the stage in Belgrade for that performance. When does the health and well being of someone become more important than the money? Can't imagine the pressure she was under which undoubtably led to her fall into drug abuse. Sad,sad,sad. RIP Amy, may you find happiness on the other side.

 

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  posted on 7/23/2011 at 01:21 PM
Yep, she’s now a member of the 27 club. You can only out run your demons for so long, sooner or later they catch up w/ you. R.I.P Amy

 

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  posted on 7/23/2011 at 01:32 PM
Breaks my heart...loved her voice...RIP,Amy....

 

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  posted on 7/23/2011 at 01:42 PM
They tried to make me go to rehab but I said 'no, no, no'
Yes I've been black but when I come back you'll know know know
I ain't got the time and if my daddy thinks I'm fine
He's tried to make me go to rehab but I won't go go go

I'd rather be at home with ray
I ain't got seventy days
Cause there's nothing
There's nothing you can teach me
That I can't learn from Mr Hathaway

I didn't get a lot in class
But I know it don't come in a shot glass

They tried to make me go to rehab but I said 'no, no, no'
Yes I've been black but when I come back you'll know know know
I ain't got the time and if my daddy thinks I'm fine
He's tried to make me go to rehab but I won't go go go

The man said 'why do you think you here'
I said 'I got no idea
I'm gonna, I'm gonna lose my baby
so I always keep a bottle near'
He said 'I just think you're depressed,
this me, yeah baby, and the rest'

They tried to make me go to rehab but I said 'no, no, no'
Yes I've been black but when I come back you'll know know know

I don't ever wanna drink again
I just ooh I just need a friend
I'm not gonna spend ten weeks
have everyone think I'm on the mend

It's not just my pride
It's just 'til these tears have dried

They tried to make me go to rehab but I said 'no, no, no'
Yes I've been black but when I come back you'll know know know
I ain't got the time and if my daddy thinks I'm fine
He's tried to make me go to rehab but I won't go go go

 

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I think you are letting your dislike of me affect your objectivity. I've been a member of AA since 1985. How many meetings have you been to? If you had been to one, you would know that anyone who is unwilling or unable to help himself will not be helped by AA. The help is there. All one has to do is accept it. Sadly, some are not capable of doing that.

In no way was my comment judgemental. It was factual. If anything, my post was sympathetic - but that would require an appreciation of nuance....

I was - and am - very lucky. Sadly, she was not.


First,i don't in any way dislike you and am truly sorry that my words give you that impression.i'll try to be more thoughtful.

as for what i know about AA/NA & the like,please don't assume i lack knowledge...you may be surprised....but,that we can talk about offline if you'd like...i'll send you a pm if you'd like to read it....

as for the comment,i don't doubt your intent,nor your intended interpretation of the "nuance"--i simply see what you said differently than your intent.i'm certain that you never intended ill will & i back down on that....i guess i sound too nuanced, but i hope it's clear....

so,nothing personal.....

[Edited on 7/23/2011 by dadof2]


No offense taken. However, from pages 58-60 of the Big Book:

"Rarely have we seen a person fail who has thoroughly followed our path. Those who do not recover are people who cannot or will not completely give themselves to this simple program, usually men and women who are constitutionally incapable of being honest with themselves. There are such unfortunates. They are not at fault; they seem to have been born that way. They are naturally incapable of grasping and developing a manner of living which demands rigorous honesty. Their chances are less than average. There are those, too, who suffer from grave emotional and mental disorders, but many of them do recover if they have the capacity to be honest."

If you were a regular attendee of AA meetings you would be very familiar with this statement. It has been read at the beginning of every meeting I've attended.

In NO way is it judgemental. It establishes that it is imperative for the alcoholic to take responsibility for his or her own recovery. It is very frank - you either choose recovery, or you don't. It's very simple.

As they say, alcoholism is the only disease in which the patient takes a direct role in his own recovery.

 

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  posted on 7/23/2011 at 01:47 PM
not surprising but sill is a shame

 

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  posted on 7/23/2011 at 01:58 PM
Rehab Live..... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tshDCsBKUU&feature=related ...it's a tremendous loss to not have her recording music and growing her career and using that voice to inspire others to sing....

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No offense taken. However, from pages 58-60 of the Big Book:

"Rarely have we seen a person fail who has thoroughly followed our path. Those who do not recover are people who cannot or will not completely give themselves to this simple program, usually men and women who are constitutionally incapable of being honest with themselves. There are such unfortunates. They are not at fault; they seem to have been born that way. They are naturally incapable of grasping and developing a manner of living which demands rigorous honesty. Their chances are less than average. There are those, too, who suffer from grave emotional and mental disorders, but many of them do recover if they have the capacity to be honest."

If you were a regular attendee of AA meetings you would be very familiar with this statement. It has been read at the beginning of every meeting I've attended.

In NO way is it judgemental. It establishes that it is imperative for the alcoholic to take responsibility for his or her own recovery. It is very frank - you either choose recovery, or you don't. It's very simple.

As they say, alcoholism is the only disease in which the patient takes a direct role in his own recovery.


i'd rather not debate this here--please read my pm!

However,i am not an adherent of the big book or of AA & my background leads me to see things a bit differently.

Quoting to me from the big book is like quoting the bible to the atheist--i've read it in full,but don't accept it's teachings.

There are simply more effective methods to deal with substance use & AA falls short--i've studied,taught,researched,treated substance use for over 36 years in a major teaching hospital & have attended,coordinated(in my younger years) many an AA meeting.i am well versed in AA's nuances & have lectured on the shortcomings of the 12 steps for many years & have focused,with others,on the counterintuitive consequenses of the 12 steps.You may wanna read the work of Stanton Peele to gain insight into the "anti" 12 steppers out here!

But,as i say to patients,i don't always care what the research says works or doesn't--if it woks for you--AA included,i'm in! But,between 1957--2010,based on a complete research & literature review of AA,it is clear that AA is NOT a generally effective part of a substance misuse TX plan.Ah,so you say so many programs do it....but,science & tradition take time to distinguish for any culture,particularly medical culture! But,many major teaching hospitals are changing direction and/or offering options besides AA or rehab.

If you don't believe me,please read my email where i offer to talk to you if you'd like,while also respecting your experience & what works for you.But,what works for you & what is scientifically indicated may be different.

 

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  posted on 7/23/2011 at 03:19 PM
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  posted on 7/23/2011 at 03:39 PM
I have expected this for a long time. I am a big fan of Amy Winehouse. Back to Black is one of my favorite albums of the last ten years but I knew we would never get a followup. This is a woman who had a unique and massive talent and managed to achieve pop success while following her soul/jazz muse. I feel pity and sorrow for her and her family and anger and rage that she threw it all away on addiction. She deprived herself of an opportunity to live, her friends and family of her presence in this world and her fans of an unlimited amount of potentially great music. There is nothing special or cool about dying at 27. It is just massively sad and awful. That's what I have to say on the subject. Anyone who has managed to escape these demons through recovery is fortunate and I am glad for them.

 

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