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  posted on 9/15/2011 at 10:42 PM
Don't get me wrong, I absolutely love his music and admire his respect for the blues. But I truly believe he follows, copies, and steals from the Allman Brothers, and doesn't give them that credit. I do realize that him being influenced by our band is an honor, but I don't feel like he is vocal enough to journalists, nor his fans, about just how much the Allmans have influenced his entire career, up to present day. First, he uses Duane on the Layla album, and can be argued that Duane's work is better than Clapton's, and makes the record the legend that it is. It amazes me how many people don't realize that Duane is responsible for the best solos on that album, like WDLGTBSS and Layla. I don't remember any articles that emphasize that fact either. Furthermore, the entire sound of the album is modeled after the Allman Brothers style. I've read that Cream influenced the Allmans, but I disagree. Cream is blues, but heavy and dark. When the Allmans formed after Cream in 1969, Clapton forms Derek and the Dominos in 1970...how about that timing? Isn't Derek and the Dominos' "Layla" very similar to the Allmans compared to the style of Cream? Then you have Clapton using Chuck Leavell, and later Derek Trucks. Now I just saw a commercial for Clapton and Marsalis doing a blues concert....what song do they do???? 44 Blues!!! Yes, I know many artists have done it since it was written in the 20's, but c'mon, lets face it, the Allmans put the biggest stamp on it. I don't know, I love Clapton b/c he's a bluesman, and I love the blues. And he's a phenomenal guitarist. It just seems obvious that he is severely influenced by our band and doesn't give them enough credit for doing so. Thoughts?
 
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  posted on 9/15/2011 at 11:56 PM
EC recorded and performed 44 Blues back in 1994 -- From the Cradle /Nothing But the Blues tour. It is a classic Roosevelt Sykes, (later Howlin' Wolf) song .... don't think he got it from the ABB/Warren Haynes version.
 

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  posted on 9/16/2011 at 12:07 AM
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44 Blues!!! Yes, I know many artists have done it since it was written in the 20's, but c'mon, lets face it, the Allmans put the biggest stamp on it.


I don't know, Little Feat has been doing this song for 40 years and Sam Clayton's booming voice has been there on each and every take...."Who put the biggest stamp on it"?....Howlin' Wolf...

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  posted on 9/16/2011 at 12:20 AM
The chain of playing with Duane Allman, Chuck Leavell and Derek Trucks is probably the strongest part of your theory, but that just means Clapton is a good judge of talent.

I actually don't find Layla to be very Allmans-sounding, with the obvious exception of Duane as the common denominator. Much more soul/R&B sounding, not nearly as jazzy and psychedelic as the ABB were at the time. It doesn't sound much like Cream, but it sounds an awful lot more like Delaney and Bonnie, or Clapton's first solo album, than the ABB.

And you would have to eliminate much of Clapton's career from 461 Ocean Boulevard until he got Derek in the band for your theory to really work. I'm not hearing the ABB in "Wonderful Tonight" or "Lay Down Sally," not even a little bit. And don't get me started on the acoustic version of "Layla," which is about as un-Allman as it gets.

If anything, Clapton's career would have been much better if he had copied the ABB more

 
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  posted on 9/16/2011 at 06:14 AM
Funny, when I hear 44 Blues I think of DTB.

 

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  posted on 9/16/2011 at 06:18 AM
Don't forget, Clapton has always been a big advocate for old blues musicians. He made sure all the blues covers Cream did were correctly attributed and respect and royalties were paid. 44 Blues is just another example.

 

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  posted on 9/16/2011 at 06:36 AM
Incorrect....this is draped with biases.

 

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  posted on 9/16/2011 at 07:26 AM
Clapton was one of Duane's influences!

 

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  posted on 9/16/2011 at 07:26 AM
This whole thread is pointless IMHO. No facts support the theory that EC owes his fame and/or career to the ABB. Their music is miles apart from each other. EC was a major player(Yardbirds, John Mayall, Cream) way before there was an ABB. Comparing them is like apples and oranges. Thank God we have them both.
 

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  posted on 9/16/2011 at 07:48 AM
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This whole thread is pointless IMHO. No facts support the theory that EC owes his fame and/or career to the ABB. Their music is miles apart from each other. EC was a major player(Yardbirds, John Mayall, Cream) way before there was an ABB. Comparing them is like apples and oranges. Thank God we have them both.


Well said. Just another Clapton hater who cant articulate why he doesnt like EC

 

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  posted on 9/16/2011 at 08:22 AM
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Don't get me wrong, I absolutely love his music and admire his respect for the blues. But I truly believe he follows, copies, and steals from the Allman Brothers, and doesn't give them that credit. I do realize that him being influenced by our band is an honor, but I don't feel like he is vocal enough to journalists, nor his fans, about just how much the Allmans have influenced his entire career, up to present day. First, he uses Duane on the Layla album, and can be argued that Duane's work is better than Clapton's, and makes the record the legend that it is. It amazes me how many people don't realize that Duane is responsible for the best solos on that album, like WDLGTBSS and Layla. I don't remember any articles that emphasize that fact either. Furthermore, the entire sound of the album is modeled after the Allman Brothers style. I've read that Cream influenced the Allmans, but I disagree. Cream is blues, but heavy and dark. When the Allmans formed after Cream in 1969, Clapton forms Derek and the Dominos in 1970...how about that timing? Isn't Derek and the Dominos' "Layla" very similar to the Allmans compared to the style of Cream? Then you have Clapton using Chuck Leavell, and later Derek Trucks. Now I just saw a commercial for Clapton and Marsalis doing a blues concert....what song do they do???? 44 Blues!!! Yes, I know many artists have done it since it was written in the 20's, but c'mon, lets face it, the Allmans put the biggest stamp on it. I don't know, I love Clapton b/c he's a bluesman, and I love the blues. And he's a phenomenal guitarist. It just seems obvious that he is severely influenced by our band and doesn't give them enough credit for doing so. Thoughts?


My thoughts are this is completely laughable.

I think post-Cream, by far the largest influence on Clapton, and he admits as well, was Delaney Bramlett.
He amuses that he "stole" the Friends from Delaney. I find the Duane connection to the Dominos was more by chance, since he happened to be in town playing and Tom Dowd ultimately put them together. Clapton in his autobiography, states Duane was his musical brother.

Clapton was out there with the wild solos and he tapped back into that to cover up for lack of songs and his doubts of his singing ability in the D&D period. After that, he based the majority of his career on much shorter, concise solos. As he likes to say, "I've already done that." 'Layla' was recorded slower to begin with and played more to the R&B, roots music, Clapton was trying to go for. Duane jump started it, before it was sped up even more in the mixing.

I am finding it rather difficult to find any influence of the ABB on his career. He's done the C&W thing, blues thing, Jazz, rock, pop and acoustic stuff. Next you'll be saying it was the Allman's playing on MTV's unlplugged that inspired him to pull Chuck in and do his own unplugged special.

I think Chuck got into his band more from his association with the Rolling Stones than the ABB, but there's not denying he wasn't aware of that.

Derek come into Clapton's orbit via Doyle Bramall II on the JJ Cale album. Clapton liked what he heard and saw the camraderie between those two and asked to join the band for the tour. The Duane reminders were there as Clapton states in his book. Plus, who doesn't want Derek these days (or those days).
I think Derek had more with getting Clapton to the Beacon in '09 than Gregg, but that's my opinion.

as for '.44 blues', I immediately think of Howlin' Wolf. To say that the ABB "own " this song now and everyone should recognize them for that feat as they had done with 'Statesboro Blues' is incomprehensible. Not only that, how many people outside of the ABB fans have heard the ABB version of this song, anyway?
That's like saying Van Morrison should stop singing 'Into the Mystic' because Warren's vocals and the ABB's playing it are completely superior to anyone else on the planet. Sorry not buying it.


 

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  posted on 9/16/2011 at 09:28 AM
Clapton is boring.

 

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  posted on 9/16/2011 at 09:32 AM
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This whole thread is pointless IMHO.


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just the title is reason enough to see why so few people post nowadays
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  posted on 9/16/2011 at 09:34 AM
I'm still pissed he didn't show up at the Fairway...........

 

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  posted on 9/16/2011 at 09:39 AM
Musically, other than obvious slide influences from Duane (and I'm not sure how he could've hung with him and recorded with him, being not much of a slide player, and not been influenced by Duane), his music is NOTHING like the ABB's version of the blues (that being said, there is a version of Double Trouble from his Live in the 70's box set that sounds VERY Allman esque, in pace, jamming, and especially, the organ. But that's the only time I've ever thought that).

With regard to giving Duane credit for the Layla album. That album has NEVER got the mainstream credit it deserves. Hell, at the time, Clapton barely seemed to want it known that HE was in the band. I don't think he gives Duane the short shrift at all. And, when he FINALLY started delving into that album on tour a few years ago, he brought in Derek -- an ABB member -- to play Duane's parts.

I'm just not seeing what you're saying.

EDIT: b/c I totally missed this at first, but I don't think of .44 Blues at ABB song at. all.

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  posted on 9/16/2011 at 10:26 AM
Citing 44 Blues as being an Allmans influence is like saying like saying Crossroads is a Cream influence. Clapton, as stated above, is the first to cite and credit the blues musicians who wrote these tunes and sees himself as an interpreter to familiarize newer generations with the blues.
 

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  posted on 9/16/2011 at 11:35 AM
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I'm still pissed he didn't show up at the Fairway...........



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  posted on 9/16/2011 at 11:59 AM
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It just seems obvious that he is severely influenced by our band and doesn't give them enough credit for doing so.


What does that even mean? Enough credit? WTF? What would you have him do?

 

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Don't forget, Clapton has always been a big advocate for old blues musicians. He made sure all the blues covers Cream did were correctly attributed and respect and royalties were paid. 44 Blues is just another example.


True. Clapton has done as much as anyone to keep awareness of the blues alive and credit for the originals in view.

 

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  posted on 9/16/2011 at 12:41 PM
Wonder where Clapton would be today if Duane had not played on Layla?

 

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  posted on 9/16/2011 at 01:03 PM
Like Steve Miller, I believe that Clapton probably got a little tired or burnt out on the blues at some point. He very nearly became Phil Collins in the late 80's - early 90's. I think there was a point where he was just trying to make some new music.

I do think that the Allman Brothers, Duane Allman, Derek Trucks, Doyle Bramhall and others have re-inspired Eric at various times.

But make no mistake - EC was a bluesman while most of those guys were still deciding on a direction.

I don't know about Eric Clapton being God or anything - but I sure hate it when he gets dissed!

 

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  posted on 9/16/2011 at 01:23 PM
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Wonder where Clapton would be today if Duane had not played on Layla?


considering the "Layla ..." album was a flop on release and didn't catch on until a year or two later,

I believe Clapton would've been just fine with or without Duane's input. I'm glad Duane did play on that
album, but Clapton was still big even after a 3 - 4 yr heroin layoff

 

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  posted on 9/16/2011 at 05:56 PM
They obviously have some of the same influences, but that's as far as it goes for me.
 

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  posted on 9/16/2011 at 06:23 PM
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Musically, other than obvious slide influences from Duane



i've always felt EC's obvious slide influence was more george harrison than duane but maybe it's just me. my 2 cents.

 

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