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  posted on 11/4/2011 at 01:54 AM
Can anyone tell me in details about Duane's gear....mainly his amp situation.

 

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  posted on 11/4/2011 at 07:58 AM
I could be wrong but I think as far as his ABB days go, he ran couple of Marshall Plexi 50 watts and basically used the natural breakup of the amp tone through his Gibsons. I'm sure he had a few total boosts, but to my knowledge his rig was pretty basic. (which proves further....we was just flat out the F'n MAN!)

I play Boogie's just because of the versatility but can you really go wrong with a Gibson through a Marshall? The combo has proven itself so many times through the years, I almost feel like it would take a real clown to find a way to screw that up.

 

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  posted on 11/4/2011 at 08:43 AM
It would be great if Kim Payne or Gregg could check in on this!

I don't know for sure what type of gear Duane and the band used most of the time, but photographs show everything from Marshalls to Fender Bassmans (Bassmen?) - sometimes jerry-wired in sequence. Seem's like Poe's book, "Skydog" gave some information. Anybody know?

 

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  posted on 11/4/2011 at 09:36 AM
With just a quick internet search I turned up Duane used a 50 watt Marshall head with "modified" Marshall 4x12 cabinets. The cabs were half opened backed. Also instead of Celestions, he used JBL D-120 speakers.

 

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  posted on 11/4/2011 at 01:53 PM
Tony, head over to www.lespaulforum.com and check out the thread titled Duane's Burst folder - some nice pics & a little discussion of his amps...

[Edited on 11/4/2011 by Jack]

 

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  posted on 11/4/2011 at 10:07 PM
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With just a quick internet search I turned up Duane used a 50 watt Marshall head with "modified" Marshall 4x12 cabinets. The cabs were half opened backed. Also instead of Celestions, he used JBL D-120 speakers.


Dang, I wish I had documented what I've uncovered over the years on this subject. It comes up about every couple years. Duane used 2-Marshall model#1986 50 watt bass heads with the cord coming out of his guitar splitting (Y cord) to both heads. I believe the cabs description above is correct.

 

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  posted on 11/5/2011 at 12:40 AM
OK, here is what his gear was as documented in Skydog, The Duane Allman Story. "Duane's Marshall rig was 2 fifty watt Marshall bass heads with two Marshall Bass 100 Cabs.The Cabs were loaded with a combo of Celestions and Cerwin Vega ER-123 speakers. The ER 123's were Cerwin-Vega's answer to JBL's D-120's. Duane used three 'Y' Cables; the first one was right from his cord, which split the signal to the other two, {each of which} went to an amp head. Duane used both channels of his Marshall heads at the same time. Using both channels, he could get both halves of the first tube, which drove the rest of the amp. By using both halves, he got more gain, which gave him more distortion. Duane wanted all the gain he could get going right into the amp, and he got it by using the 'Y' cables. "

From Skydog, The Duane Allman Story pp.291-292.

 

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  posted on 11/5/2011 at 08:32 AM
Excellent! Thanks for posting that. I need to get a copy of that book. I don't quite understand,, "three 'Y' Cables; the first one was right from his cord, which split the signal to the other two, {each of which} went to an amp head.".....3-Y cables?

 

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  posted on 11/5/2011 at 10:01 PM
I gotta be honest with ya Slim, I can't be sure but I've always wondered if there was an input cord from each head into the 'Y' adapter with one cord coming out and into the guitar. I'm just not sure...maybe somebody can enlighten us.

 

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  posted on 11/6/2011 at 10:40 PM
Much like Derek Trucks, I think Duane could have played through anything , on anything and it would have sounded like Duane ...his heart was overwhelming..in a great way...

 

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  posted on 11/6/2011 at 11:01 PM
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Much like Derek Trucks, I think Duane could have played through anything , on anything and it would have sounded like Duane ...his heart was overwhelming..in a great way...


I think that says it all; couldn't agree more.

 

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  posted on 11/7/2011 at 11:02 AM
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Much like Derek Trucks, I think Duane could have played through anything , on anything and it would have sounded like Duane ...his heart was overwhelming..in a great way...


Totally agree. But my favorite geetar tone in the whole wide world is when Duane plays thru the 2-50watt Marshall mdl#1986 bass heads.

 

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  posted on 11/9/2011 at 03:49 PM
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Much like Derek Trucks, I think Duane could have played through anything , on anything and it would have sounded like Duane ...his heart was overwhelming..in a great way...


Totally agree. But my favorite geetar tone in the whole wide world is when Duane plays thru the 2-50watt Marshall mdl#1986 bass heads.


I'm with on this. Sure any player with a distinct style will be recognizable no matter the gear, but, if one is seeking a certain sound, you have to give the gear its due! Check out early live Billy Gibbons: he has that same kind of ripe squawk that Duane had.

 

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  posted on 11/10/2011 at 05:26 AM
The reason that I'm asking is because while Duane's tone IS my favorite tone of all time, I don't want to cop it. It's really mainly for SLIDE sustain while still having that bite. I'm getting to a point now where I don't want to play anything that was made past 1975 lol. They just don't make gear the right way anymore.

 

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  posted on 11/10/2011 at 07:28 AM
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The reason that I'm asking is because while Duane's tone IS my favorite tone of all time, I don't want to cop it. It's really mainly for SLIDE sustain while still having that bite. I'm getting to a point now where I don't want to play anything that was made past 1975 lol. They just don't make gear the right way anymore.


So true....right on on gear...and I agree that pre 75 are the finest years....was listening/watching Love Valley DVD last night....no one has ever touched Duane's playing...his whole sound is otherworldly,and IMO the finest guitar sound EVER! I still laugh when people compare other players to Duane...there was only one Duane and there will never be another who can get that vibe....

 

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  posted on 11/10/2011 at 07:51 AM
One thing for sure. A 7/8's spark plug socket can sound sweet through most any amp, if the player using it knows what he's doing!
And just so you know Tony, I'm the one who suggested to Tom to get that socket.
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The reason that I'm asking is because while Duane's tone IS my favorite tone of all time, I don't want to cop it. It's really mainly for SLIDE sustain while still having that bite. I'm getting to a point now where I don't want to play anything that was made past 1975 lol. They just don't make gear the right way anymore.
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So true....right on on gear...and I agree that pre 75 are the finest years....was listening/watching Love Valley DVD last night....no one has ever touched Duane's playing...his whole sound is otherworldly,and IMO the finest guitar sound EVER! I still laugh when people compare other players to Duane...
there was only one Duane and there will never be another who can get that vibe....

i agree...but just based on that statement alone efiie, there is only "1" of any of us and nobody can replicate what anyone has in thier soul..that is what i think makes it all so amazing..We all get the same fretboard , and we can even play the same notes, but my , what a difference when some people do it..

 

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Much like Derek Trucks, I think Duane could have played through anything , on anything and it would have sounded like Duane ...his heart was overwhelming..in a great way...
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Totally agree. But my favorite geetar tone in the whole wide world is when Duane plays thru the 2-50watt Marshall mdl#1986 bass heads.
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I'm with on this. Sure any player with a distinct style will be recognizable no matter the gear, but, if one is seeking a certain sound, you have to give the gear its due! Check out early live Billy Gibbons: he has that same kind of ripe squawk that Duane had.


I wasn't discounting gear at all..

just giving my opinion on the massive power some players are given by the creator..

 

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  posted on 11/10/2011 at 11:50 PM
Here's an excerpt from Johnny's book about some of the gear the HourGlass took with them to California:

"Duane was playing a Telly with a Strat neck, and he and Gregg both had Super Beetle Vox amps. I had an old Fender Bassman amp with four 10 speakers that Duane really liked, so we took it out to California with us. As loud as we were playing at that time, the speakers in the amp were not quite loud enough, so we put JBLs in it. "

 

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  posted on 11/11/2011 at 09:38 AM
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I wasn't discounting gear at all..

just giving my opinion on the massive power some players are given by the creator..





Well Mr. Lefty Smarty Pants since the original question was actually about GEAR, then why did you want to go and get subjective on us??? Huh? Anyway I'd like to share of few of my thoughts on some points made by fellow Hittin'theWebbers.

First would be to try and dispell the fallacy of the vintage gear syndrome. Technology IS a way cool thing. I mean I'd love to have a 70 Barracuda too but I would want to drive it to work everyday. You can probably get a reasonable facsimile of Duane's tone from a chip of some sort these days. And that would be very desirable at least to me because probably in the same pedal you can ape some difinitive Jimmy Page or Brian May tones as well. I have heard great reviews of these WCR pickups that supposedly can get a very Duanesque or Dickeyesque sound. And there are litterally countless amps and a variety of ways to simulate the full onstage glory of the Allmans or whoever at bedroom level volumes today. (I believe that if Jack Pearson had it to do over again, he'd go that route because of his tinitus.) Also you have to ask yourself WWDD (What would Duane do?) Does anybody really think that had he lived that he'd still be using non-master volume Marshalls "Y'd" together for christsakes!!! One only needs to look at Duanes career to see that Duane like every other guitarist out there was chasing tone. From Vox Super Beetles to Fenders to Marshalls - from Tele's with Strat necks to Strats to various Les Pauls. I mean right up until his death didn't he trade one Les Paul for another but keep the pu's from the other.

While I'll give Duane the benchmark there are countless pickers out there who can do a reasonable Duane impersonation when the mood strikes. (And I'd be willin' to bet Tony Tyler is one those guitarists.) One trip to the Jam For Duane and most folks could walk away thinking that ... "Well you know ... maybe Duane isn't that hard to ape at all." I recall after working the Fiddlers Convention during my high school years if I hear another friggin' banjo in the next 2 or 3 months, it'll be to soon. And I can't help but think what would Duane say about all this ... something tells me that he'd probably urge the rest of us ... (and quite possibly in no flattering terms depending on his hangover) ... that we do our own thing ... go for our own sound. To keep the music growing not held in stasis.

So perhaps it might be a more noble endavor to shoot for what Duane might sound like today ... not what he did in 70.

 

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  posted on 11/11/2011 at 10:41 AM
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Well Mr. Lefty Smarty Pants since the original question was actually about GEAR, then why did you want to go and get subjective on us??? Huh?


LMAO...

point taken

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  posted on 11/11/2011 at 11:12 AM
Love seeing some good ribbing going on here between Chris and Lefty....

I dont think it's about gear at all. We have seen a dozen or more people play Duane's goldtop and they sound nothing like him with the "magic guitar". Nothing even close to Duane tone, however the music they played was great. I have never played it and if I do, Ill likely sound like ME.. (for better or worse).....

I do find it I set the treble setting on my amp to 2, mids about 5 and bass about 7 and roll back the tone pots on the guitar to about 4 or 5, I can get a ballsier tone....

Tony...Your tone was great at GABBA and prior to that I heard you at SKYDOG64 and I thought that Epiphone you were playing sounded just as good as any Les Paul.....

My personal opinion on Duane and his choice guitars is that he would have swithced to a much lighter instrument had he still been playing. He would have loved my PRS.....

 

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  posted on 11/11/2011 at 12:54 PM
I, too, have my own unique sound bluedaddy. I tend to suck regardless what I'm playing. Be it a Kamico or a Les Paul. Lol! One other thing that I'd like to mention that I learned while researching Duane's gear was how Duane used 50 watt Marshalls which would distort sooner than 100 watt Marshalls which ironically Dickey used. So ... Dickey's clean kinda country vibe came from using the more powerful 100 watt Marshalls while Duane's "creamier" "ballsier" tone came from using the less powerful 50 watt Marshalls. All that he did at 24 years old is just ... amazing. What he'd be doing today boggles the mind. Of course assuming he could continue developing his talent ... and there's no reason to assume he couldn't.

 

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First would be to try and dispell the fallacy of the vintage gear syndrome. Technology IS a way cool thing. I mean I'd love to have a 70 Barracuda too but I would want to drive it to work everyday. You can probably get a reasonable facsimile of Duane's tone from a chip of some sort these days. And that would be very desirable at least to me because probably in the same pedal you can ape some difinitive Jimmy Page or Brian May tones as well.


I agree. The truth is good equipment is just that whether it is old or new. I have guitars and amps from various years that all have their pros and cons. Well actually my Les Paul has no cons.

A few years ago, Digitech put out a Hendrix and Clapton pedals that simulated various tones that they used over the years. The Hendrix had more multiple uses but both sounded real nice and came pretty darned close to the tones used on various songs. I really liked the Hendrix as I found the tones more varied. But both were well worth the price. I was suprised that the trend did not continue with other artists.

In the end though, the magic is mostly in the fingers IMO. I have heard many top players warming up backstage through little amps and they sound just like they do on stage for the most part.

For years I played guitar through a bass amp and some questioned why but I just liked the tones that I got. Now i am amazed at how many of the players tyhat I loved did the same and I never knew.

 

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  posted on 11/11/2011 at 02:40 PM

there are a lot of amp simulators in both hardware (I have a digitech GNX4) and software (amplitude,sans amp,eleven,native instruments combo amp models) Many have presets
that replicate the gear of many artists. There is a "Whipping Post" setup at Guitar World for digitech amp pedals and a whole database of other artist setups. by artist and song. So I can dial up
Claptons amps and settings for "Crossroads" or David Gilmour's for "Money"

But I will agree with the off topic Lefty. It ain't about Gear, It's about the hands and talent and soul of the players that produce the tone.

Before Fender came out with the evil 100 watt Twin Reverb, Steve Howe also played through Bass Amps, 2 fender Bassman in fact. I find it interesting that both Duane and Steve took a similar approach to their live sound about the same time.

I guess both Players had drums,keyboards and loud bass players to deal with.

Good luck finding some bite Tony!

Just remember some of the bite came from Duane's attack on the instrument.






 

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