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  posted on 12/6/2011 at 09:04 AM
I have had this problem on and off for a few years.......I cant turn my brain off when I lay down. I will be so physically tired I cant take it, but my brain is gong full speed ahead. Ive taken the over the counter sleep aids and they work , just feel groggy all day the next day......Anybody have any natural remedies I might try??

Seriously, I work 8- 4 0r 5 during the day but I also take call when needed for a cardiac surgeon and I dont need to be sleep deprived when I get called in....HELP!!

 

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  posted on 12/6/2011 at 10:16 AM
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I have had this problem on and off for a few years.......I cant turn my brain off when I lay down. I will be so physically tired I cant take it, but my brain is gong full speed ahead. Ive taken the over the counter sleep aids and they work , just feel groggy all day the next day......Anybody have any natural remedies I might try??

Seriously, I work 8- 4 0r 5 during the day but I also take call when needed for a cardiac surgeon and I dont need to be sleep deprived when I get called in....HELP!!


Have you considered your diet as part of the problem? Specifically caffeine? And not just coffee, all sources of caffeine? Also, even though you mention you're physically tired, do you incorporate daily exercise into your daily routine? Exercise that really ramps up your cardiovascular system as well as your muscular system? Like brisk walking around the hospital whenever you have down time (if you actually do have down time given your line of work), walking up stairs rather than taking the elevator, etc....Also, try meditation, yoga, etc....

I would also suggest that you consider stopping the use of sleep aides as they eventually will create dependence and actually worsen the problem.

 

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  posted on 12/6/2011 at 10:29 AM
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I have had this problem on and off for a few years.......I cant turn my brain off when I lay down. I will be so physically tired I cant take it, but my brain is gong full speed ahead. Ive taken the over the counter sleep aids and they work , just feel groggy all day the next day......Anybody have any natural remedies I might try??

Seriously, I work 8- 4 0r 5 during the day but I also take call when needed for a cardiac surgeon and I dont need to be sleep deprived when I get called in....HELP!!


Have you considered your diet as part of the problem? Specifically caffeine? And not just coffee, all sources of caffeine? Also, even though you mention you're physically tired, do you incorporate daily exercise into your daily routine? Exercise that really ramps up your cardiovascular system as well as your muscular system? Like brisk walking around the hospital whenever you have down time (if you actually do have down time given your line of work), walking up stairs rather than taking the elevator, etc....Also, try meditation, yoga, etc....

I would also suggest that you consider stopping the use of sleep aides as they eventually will create dependence and actually worsen the problem.

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I actually drink virtually no caffeine, I drink mostly Crytal light, water and milk. No i do not get enough exercise for sure! Used to go to the gym just about everyday. But Im a single Mom with two boys, between their activities, work, pulling call.....its hard to do anymore, excuses....I know. LOL

And yes everyone who has PM'd me, I know weed relaxes you.....haha.....but random drug tests at work make that a problem. Funny, a doctor will whip out a prescription for a sleep aid in a heart beat, which people totaly get addicted to.....but no all natural mary j......strange world.

 

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  posted on 12/6/2011 at 10:33 AM
Excercise helps

Supposedly staying in bed with a computer is bad (the lights apparently) and setting a relxing routine like reading is better.

 

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  posted on 12/6/2011 at 10:38 AM
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Excercise helps

Supposedly staying in bed with a computer is bad (the lights apparently) and setting a relxing routine like reading is better. [/quote




I do check my emails right before I go to bed, I have a soldier friend who sometimesI can only talk to late a night....so i always check to see if he's available.....

 

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  posted on 12/6/2011 at 10:41 AM
It isn't a naturial solution, but I went to my doctor with a similiar problem 5 or 6 years ago. She gave me a prescription of Ambien. I took one on Friday night, Saturday night, and Sunday night. By Monday, I felt so doped up I couldn't read the newspaper.

So I quit taking them. Funny thing was, after the effects of the three days wore off, so did my iissues with sleeping. That's saying a lot for me since I'm a sleep apnea patient, too.

So if you get to a block of time that you can totally afford to zone out for several days, you might give it a try.

However, please, please, do not drive or make any significant decisions while you are taking it. I will honestly tell you that until the RX wore off completely I felt like a total zombie.

Good luck, being sleep deprived is very difficult.

 

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  posted on 12/6/2011 at 01:55 PM
I've had great success falling asleep with Hemi-Sync CD's from The Monroe Institute. They're supposed to help you have out of body experiences, but I pass out in like 5 min.

The binaural beat technology gently guides your brain right to sleep. The best part about it is that there are no pills/chemicals involved, just sound waves.

http://www.monroeinstitute.org/store/hemi-sync-cds

 

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  posted on 12/6/2011 at 02:06 PM
My partner who works swing shifts - all jumbled up - midnights, days, evenings....He uses melatonin('natural sleep aid'), Tylenol PM, Benadryl. Not all together I hasten to add!! They sort of work.

We recently changed our mattress to a softer pillowtop type and that has been relaxing. We also added an electric blanket. Kinda nice to slip into a warm, cloud-like bed.

It is difficult to turn off the mind from our daily concerns which I think is a big culprit to preventing sleep.

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  posted on 12/6/2011 at 03:28 PM
Worst thing I find is to sit in bed and fret about the fact I am not sleeping.

I get up, grab the tv remote, a glass of milk or bowl of cereal and relax to re-runs or whatever is on the tube.

Takes my mind of my work and every day life stresses and I generally fall asleep within an hour or so. A good book helps as well.

 

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  posted on 12/6/2011 at 05:19 PM
I feel your pain...as an RN in the Unit, I am frequently On Call...work the 2-2 shift, and if I can't unwind by 4am, I put into effect my 4am rule...5-10 Ambien po...it works but doesnt leave my unable to respond after 2-2.5 hours.....I discussed it with my Dr. before doing it, that was in 2005 I think...tried Lunesta but it did nothing.
Only other thing would be to buy Children's Benadryl and take 6.25 mg or so..., I've done that before. The liquid form can be controlled much more easily as far as dosage administration...hope at least some part of this helps you, if you haven't already tried it.

Sleeping On Call in NC....John H., RN

 

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  posted on 12/6/2011 at 08:00 PM
Thanks Yall......I actually bought some melatonin today...my best friend swears by it. I was barely functionable today. Luckily it was sort of a slow day. I got home at 5:30 and collapsed. Slept for 2 hours and now up.....Spend a few hours with my boys then going back to bed.....hopefully to sleep all night long. Will let yall know how melatonin works!

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  posted on 12/6/2011 at 08:17 PM
I'd recommend the melatonin as well.

Both my kids are on ADHD meds that keep them awake at night.

One of them and they are out. I use it occasionally as well.

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  posted on 12/6/2011 at 08:51 PM
Lots of good info here:

http://www.sleepfoundation.org/

 

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  posted on 12/6/2011 at 08:55 PM
I don't but a good friend of mine does, acute acute crisis insomnia. She went for the Rx meds, and they knocked her out at night and left her chronically depressed. Like drive your car into the supermarket depressed.

Naturopath gave her the melatonin, and it works, so there's another data point for that medicine. She has a medical marijuana card and uses a tiny portion, like smaller than a thimble, of a pot brownie, twenty minutes after she takes the melatonin, so she can drowse off without feeling the effects of the cannabis, which she doesn't like at all.

The melatonin puts her down, and the cannabis keeps her down until dawn
It's a good solid combo, and ZERO psycho toxic liver killing Rx meds. One cap of melatonin and a thimble size nibble of pot brownie, way less junk than the docs prescribed. And way cheaper.

[Edited on 12/7/2011 by scrambldybones]

 

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  posted on 12/6/2011 at 09:35 PM
yes...

and it sucks

 

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  posted on 12/6/2011 at 09:41 PM
Lots of good advice here:
some things I have learned:

the weird dreams from melatonin will wear off after a while. Once you adjust.
As we age we produce less melatonin naturally.

I take a melatonin and then soak in my hot tub with lavander/geranium arotherapy. before bed time.

I also use the lavender pillow spray and lavender candles.

a few hours of Deep Meditation can replace many lost hours of sleep. If I can't sleep I'll put on a mediation tape or a holosync cd. (similar to the Hemi-Sync technology mentioned by Joe_Not_Lurking )

Don't watch TV in Bed. The bedroom should be for sleeping and sex only!
That will train your body to relax when in your comfy bed.






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  posted on 12/6/2011 at 10:17 PM
Being on prednizone for my auto immune Hepatitis i have trouble sleeping and the fact is it will drive ya nuts after awhile.. now that I have been off of it for a bit I am hopeing to get back to some good sleep...

 

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  posted on 12/7/2011 at 03:38 AM
Read the most boring thing possible - like transcripts of C-SPAN - while laying down and holding the book up and it should knock you out pretty quickly.

Two enemies of sleep are an irregular sleep schedule - if you are on call that is a tough one - and like someone suggested, lack of exercise. Don't get in bed until you are really tired. And like someone else suggested, if you can't sleep, get out of bed and do something.

When I covered all of NC and SC for GE selling ultrasounds, I was on the road in a different town sometimes 5 days a week, and sleeping in a different hotel 4 and sometimes 5 nights. I just could never get used being in an unfamiliar environment every night, and I often had to be in the OR (operating room) by 6 AM to get set up and show the anesthesiologists or other docs my machine pre-surgery, so when I was sleep-deprived, which was almost all of the time, it was a serious problem. I eventually developed a heart condition (irregular heartbeat) because of the stress but got it fixed with a cardiac ablation. Prolonged lack of sleep can have serious physical and emotional consequences, as I'm sure you know.

I think trying to avoid medication except as an absolute last resort is a good idea. I've heard Melatonin works great for some people.

 

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  posted on 12/7/2011 at 07:28 AM
Ambien works for me but the doctor doesn't want me using it too often....she says it hasn't been studied enough. I've read about people doing weird things (like deep frying chicken wings) while still asleep with the help of Ambien.

That could be very dangerous.

Focusing on the fact that "you can't sleep" will ALWAYS keep you awake. You're reinforcing the thought. Just go to bed with the idea that "if I sleep, great; if I don't, I won't die". After a few nights of not sleeping too well, chances are you'll finally drop.

 

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  posted on 12/7/2011 at 09:13 AM
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I don't but a good friend of mine does, acute acute crisis insomnia. She went for the Rx meds, and they knocked her out at night and left her chronically depressed. Like drive your car into the supermarket depressed.

Naturopath gave her the melatonin, and it works, so there's another data point for that medicine. She has a medical marijuana card and uses a tiny portion, like smaller than a thimble, of a pot brownie, twenty minutes after she takes the melatonin, so she can drowse off without feeling the effects of the cannabis, which she doesn't like at all.

The melatonin puts her down, and the cannabis keeps her down until dawn
It's a good solid combo, and ZERO psycho toxic liver killing Rx meds. One cap of melatonin and a thimble size nibble of pot brownie, way less junk than the docs prescribed. And way cheaper.

[Edited on 12/7/2011 by scrambldybones]


Just a suggestion on the medical marijuana use. Your friend may want to purchase a strain with higher cannabinoids and actually vaporize it rather than ingest it. Ingesting via brownies or some other foodstuff can create a very intense high that some users don't like. Even if she sleeps through it she may awake very groggy and a bit out of it. Also, the higher cannabiniod strains typically produce what some refer to as a "couch high." Meaning your more apt to want to sleep as compared with the uplifting, energetic high that THC dominant strains typically produce. Whatever dispensary she's utilizing should be able to provide a more appropriate strain and also sell her an affordable vaporizer. If not, she should shop elsewhere until she finds exactly what she needs.

 

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  posted on 12/7/2011 at 09:42 AM
You guys are great! I used the melatonin last night and either the two nights of NO SLEEP or IT worked. I slept 7 hrs straight....and hard too, Im not even sure I moved! LOL

Going to try the melatonin every night, but you are right I did have some weird dreams.....not even going to tell you WHO I had a dream about, bc he'll probably be reading this thread soon!

Any and all suggestions still welcome. One good night of sleep doesnt mean I'm cured fo sho! But I'm feeling good today.

 

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  posted on 12/7/2011 at 11:13 AM
I've always been a bad sleeper and my little girl also shares the problem. Her pediatrican suggested Melatonin ..... natural and not a drug http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melatonin

 

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  posted on 12/7/2011 at 11:18 AM
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You guys are great! I used the melatonin last night and either the two nights of NO SLEEP or IT worked. I slept 7 hrs straight....and hard too, Im not even sure I moved! LOL

Going to try the melatonin every night, but you are right I did have some weird dreams.....not even going to tell you WHO I had a dream about, bc he'll probably be reading this thread soon!

Any and all suggestions still welcome. One good night of sleep doesnt mean I'm cured fo sho! But I'm feeling good today.


As I understand it, Melatonin helps regulate our sleep patterns and doesn't necessarily induce sleep, but helps our body remain at the REM level once we get there. Since the REM level of sleep is believed to provide the most benefit to the mind and body, it's very important to get to that level and stay there as long as possible. This may explain the weird dreams many users experience as it's believed the REM level is, in fact, the dream state of sleep. I have used it myself and did experience strange dreams.

 

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  posted on 12/7/2011 at 04:07 PM
Not that this is necessary since the melatonin seems to be working, but Valerian Root is another natural alternative (also good for anxiety). It's best when used as a liquid tincture but it smells horrible so hold your nose, drop some in water and down it right quick!

 

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  posted on 12/7/2011 at 06:58 PM
I've had good luck with Valerian. Here is more info, including some precautions:

http://www.drweil.com/drw/u/id/REM00009

 

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