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  posted on 1/5/2012 at 06:17 PM
This article slants toward Walker, but the process in Wisconsin is fascinating to me. Anybody got any updates?

http://nbcpolitics.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/01/05/9982178-will-gops-2011-st ar-survive-recall-in-2012

 

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  posted on 1/5/2012 at 06:25 PM
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This article slants toward Walker, but the process in Wisconsin is fascinating to me. Anybody got any updates?

http://nbcpolitics.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/01/05/9982178-will-gops-2011-st ar-survive-recall-in-2012


Sure. The Koch Brothers will spend whatever it takes to throw the election.

I guess "Voter Fraud" is in the Eye of the beholder.

 

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  posted on 1/5/2012 at 07:32 PM
If the Dems field a good candidate no way Walker survives. The latest St. Norberts college poll which has been historically correct over 90% of the time shows Wi residents favor recalling Walker by a margin of 55 to 45. They had collected 507K of the 540K required signatures in less then a month. The one caveat to all this would be if the Dems field another miserable candidate again but rumor has it they will not be running Barrett again who lost to Walker to begin with.
 

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  posted on 1/5/2012 at 08:15 PM
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If the Dems field a good candidate no way Walker survives. The latest St. Norberts college poll which has been historically correct over 90% of the time shows Wi residents favor recalling Walker by a margin of 55 to 45. They had collected 507K of the 540K required signatures in less then a month. The one caveat to all this would be if the Dems field another miserable candidate again but rumor has it they will not be running Barrett again who lost to Walker to begin with.


What about Jim Doyle running again?

 

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  posted on 1/5/2012 at 09:18 PM
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If the Dems field a good candidate no way Walker survives. The latest St. Norberts college poll which has been historically correct over 90% of the time shows Wi residents favor recalling Walker by a margin of 55 to 45. They had collected 507K of the 540K required signatures in less then a month. The one caveat to all this would be if the Dems field another miserable candidate again but rumor has it they will not be running Barrett again who lost to Walker to begin with.


What about Jim Doyle running again?


I doubt he has any interest plus the horrific condition he left the state in he would never be elected. The 2 most mentioned names are Kathleen Falk Dane County Supervisor from Madison and David Obey retired congressman from Stevens Point .

 

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  posted on 1/6/2012 at 07:12 AM
So there's really no political figurehead spearheading this effort, or at least getting out in front of it? Is it a grassroots movement that wants to get the recall initiated and then pick a candidate, or is it more of a democratic party move?

 

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  posted on 1/6/2012 at 08:13 AM
It's definitely grass roots and it's definitely bi-partisan. Moderate republicans were blind sided by just how radical of an agenda Walker initiated. During the campaign Walker never once said busting the state employees union was going to be his highest priority and first order of business. I think most people would have been just fine with the state employees union conceding on health insurance contributions but he took it too far and stripped their right to collectively bargain. The other piece of this is he cut 800 million dollars out of the education budget while at the same time offering huge tax breaks to companies to move to Wi. But it backfired because nobody wants to move to a state and put their kids in schools who cuts their education budget in a crippling manner like this. I think most people would have been ok with modest education budget cuts but why cut at all when Wisconsin has consistently ranked in the top 3 nationally for public education. His answer is more home schooling and charter schools who will be held to no standards at all. Add to that he is suppose to be all about jobs but Wisconsin has lost jobs at unprecedented rates since he came into office.
What is really funny is the whole reason Walker came to prominence in Wi state government and achieved name recognition to begin with is because the previous Milwaukee County executive a guy by the name of Tom Ament was recalled from office. Back then Walker made the statement that recalls are a great tool for people taking back their government, now that the shoe is on the other foot he's running around saying it's sour grapes and outside union forces are behind this recall.
One more thing, he flunked out of 5 colleges in 3 years and the conventional wisdom is he hates education.

I almost forgot to mention. Just yesterday two of Walkers top Milwauke County staff members just got indicted for embezzlement and misappropriation of $60K. So he surrounds himself with great people also.



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  posted on 1/8/2012 at 10:12 AM
Not if I have anything to do with it. I gathered another 100 signatures Saturday.
 

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  posted on 1/8/2012 at 10:41 AM
Has the state of finances in Wisconsin improved since Walker took over?
 

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  posted on 1/8/2012 at 11:01 AM
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NO !

 

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  posted on 1/8/2012 at 12:19 PM
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Has the state of finances in Wisconsin improved since Walker took over?


Balancing the budget in one year through screwing over hard working middle class people and butchering the public education system was never a high priority for me to start with.

 

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  posted on 1/8/2012 at 04:05 PM
This is really going to be interesting. Has Wisconsin traditionally been a more democratically controlled state in the recent past, or would you guys characterize it as more bipartisan?

 

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  posted on 1/8/2012 at 09:06 PM
I think he is toast!!! That's what happens when you don't know what the majority of your constituency want. Major backfire!!! Good riddance!!!

 

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  posted on 1/8/2012 at 10:28 PM
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This is really going to be interesting. Has Wisconsin traditionally been a more democratically controlled state in the recent past, or would you guys characterize it as more bipartisan?


Doug it's pretty close to an even split these days if there is a majority maybe a couple % points Dem but not much more than that. I believe Gore, and Obama both won Wi by 5 % or less. Not sure about Kerry. Ron Johnson (Teabagger) ousted Russ Feingold in 2010 Senate race with a massive TV add campaign primarily funded by the Koch Brothers. Johnson was running super negative adds a good 3 months before Feingold even knew what hit him and reacted. After a couple debates Feingold bounced back but never could overcome the impact of the initial onslaught.

 

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  posted on 1/10/2012 at 08:51 AM
State Democratic Party Chair Mike Tate said Democrats will meet their recall signature goals, "The number we hand in will be so overwhelming that it will remove any doubt about if we're going to have an election. It will simply be a matter of when and how much of the public's time Scott Walker wants to waste by attempting to delay this election." - Wisconsin Public Radio

This is welcome news.

 

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  posted on 1/10/2012 at 09:16 AM
Thanks so much for all the insight. This is going to be really interesting to watch.

 

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  posted on 1/10/2012 at 09:54 AM
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State Democratic Party Chair Mike Tate said Democrats will meet their recall signature goals, "The number we hand in will be so overwhelming that it will remove any doubt about if we're going to have an election. It will simply be a matter of when and how much of the public's time Scott Walker wants to waste by attempting to delay this election." - Wisconsin Public Radio

This is welcome news.


The Dems can still screw this up. If they field Professor Irwin Corey (Barrett) again. Kathleen Falk is a sharp cookie I am very impressed with her.

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  posted on 1/10/2012 at 11:49 AM
Walker's Policies Are Killing Wisconsin's Economy
Job losses and shrinking paychecks are to blame
By Lisa Kaiser


If Wisconsin were on the same job-growth track as the rest of the country, the state would have added 33,800 jobs since April.

Instead, under Gov. Scott Walker's leadership, the state is shedding jobs month after month.

In November, Wisconsin lost 14,600 jobs while the rest of the country added 120,000. In the past five months, Wisconsin has lost 34,900 jobs.

Walker's track record is so bad that the Federal Reserve Bank of Philadelphia found that Wisconsin is dead last in job creation among the 50 states.

The first-year effects of Walker's policies on public employees—as well as their ripple effects on the state's economy—have been analyzed in a new study from the Institute for Wisconsin's Future (IWF), which found:
•The average public employee has taken a pay cut of almost $3,000, or about $60 per week, thanks to Walker's requirement that they contribute more toward their health care and pensions.
•The pay cut given to 260,000 full-time public employees amounts to $700 million taken out of the state's economy each year, which means less money to be spent at Wisconsin's small businesses.
•The shrinkage of the state's economy due to public employees' pay cuts will lead to a loss of about 6,900 full-time jobs in the first year of Walker's budget.
•Walker's rejection of $553 million in federal funds—including $390 million for high-speed rail and $130 million for Medicaid in just the first year—will cause the loss of about 4,700 private-sector jobs.
•Walker's $975 million in cuts to state and local programs—including education funding, recycling and transportation—will cause about 5,400 full-time private sector jobs to be lost.
•The average pay cut to the 47,210 public sector employees in Milwaukee County is $2,620, reducing the local economy by $123.7 million.

Cutting Paychecks Instead of Investing in Workforce

IWF's research director, Jack Norman, said his organization's analysis, titled "The Price of Extremism," shows that Walker has taken the wrong approach to stimulating the state's sluggish economy. Instead of supporting the middle class during an uncertain economy, Walker's taken money out of workers' paychecks. Instead of being spent in local businesses, that money is then diverted to pension investments and health insurance companies.

"In the midst of a struggling economy, the worst thing you can do is to cut," Norman said.

He said a better way to produce growth is to ensure that workers are able to bring home steady paychecks, which they spend in neighborhood shops and restaurants.

"But Walker is driving money away from where we want it to be spent," Norman said.

As a result of reduced consumer spending power and demand for goods and services, Norman said that entrepreneurs wouldn't want to launch a new business in Wisconsin and established businesses won't want to hire more workers.

"Demand is what drives business decisions," Norman said.

But won't a property tax freeze help put money back into the pockets of Wisconsinites?

"That doesn't offset the cuts," Norman said.

And what about Walker's tax credits for investors and "job creators"?

"Tax incentives are long-term strategies," Norman said. "We need something immediate."

A recall, perhaps?

"There isn't a whole lot a political leader can do to create jobs," Norman said. "But a political leader can create a lot of damage by enacting policies that kill jobs. This is a good reason to get rid of Walker midterm."

In a press statement, Department of Workforce Development (DWD) Secretary Reggie Newson blamed the bad jobs numbers on the way employment data is gathered. The state surveys employers, then sends the data to the federal Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS), which then generates job estimates for the state DWD to release. The BLS revises its estimates as more information is received. In October, it reduced its estimate of job losses by 7,300, from 9,700 to 2,400 jobs lost.

DWD spokesman John Dipko disputed IWF's assertion that Walker's budget and collective bargaining changes have contributed to the state's stalled economy.

"The reforms in Act 10 not only are helping to balance the state budget, but they are making local governments work better and holding the line on property taxes, which benefit working families and businesses and support a climate for private-sector job creation over the long haul," Dipko wrote in an email to the Shepherd.


 

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  posted on 1/16/2012 at 10:18 PM
Tomorrow at 3 PM they give the petitions to the GAB.
 

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  posted on 1/17/2012 at 07:41 AM
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Tomorrow at 3 PM they give the petitions to the GAB.


Walker has raised an awful lot of out of state money from the Koch Brothers and other low life malingerers. That alone should tell people where his loyalties are and what his agenda is. Lets just hope the Dems field a good candidate.

 

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Walker has raised an awful lot of out of state money from the Koch Brothers and other low life malingerers. That alone should tell people where his loyalties are and what his agenda is. Lets just hope the Dems field a good candidate.
And there's been no out of state individuals or money involved from the union's side? Please.

"malingerers" - good word!

 

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  posted on 1/17/2012 at 11:12 AM
It's really not the Union side, it's been a grass roots effort to gather signatures to get a recall election. I have been out gathering signatures and have no connection to unions. We needed 540,000 signatures and from what I'm hearing we gathered over 1,000,000, my little corner of the Northwoods has over 25 pounds of petitions, not bad for a town of 2000.
 

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  posted on 1/17/2012 at 11:39 AM
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Sure it isn't. They have been sitting on the sidelines throughout, waiting to see what plays out.

 

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  posted on 1/17/2012 at 11:54 AM
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Sure it isn't. They have been sitting on the sidelines throughout, waiting to see what plays out.



It's really a non issue and moot point even if there is outside union money involved. Every single state wide poll taken since Walker pulled this surprise attack on the state workers of Wisconsin indicate close to 60% of the citizens think it was wrong to strip state employees of their collective bargaining rights. The Koch whores have outspent the unions about 4 to 1. Having said that this will all be a waste of time and money if the Dems don't have a better candidate then they did back in the general election.

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  posted on 1/17/2012 at 01:21 PM
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It's really a non issue and moot point even if there is outside union money involved.
So outside union money means nothing, but if the Koch guys toss some coin in to support their goals of liberty and limited govt, it's a travesty. Damn those bleeping Koch whores!!

Irregardless, I think it's great that we live in a country where people can vote in their respective states for the higher taxes, waste, and inefficiency that comes with the crony politics of public sector unions. On Wisconsin!

 

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