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  posted on 1/22/2012 at 11:15 AM
STATE COLLEGE, Pa. -- Joe Paterno, the longtime Penn State coach who won more games than anyone in major college football but was fired amid a child sex abuse scandal that scarred his reputation for winning with integrity, died Sunday. He was 85.

His family released a statement Sunday morning to announce his death: "His loss leaves a void in our lives that will never be filled."

"He died as he lived," the statement said. "He fought hard until the end, stayed positive, thought only of others and constantly reminded everyone of how blessed his life had been. His ambitions were far reaching, but he never believed he had to leave this Happy Valley to achieve them. He was a man devoted to his family, his university, his players and his community."

Paterno built his program on the credo "Success with Honor," and he found both. The man known as "JoePa" won 409 games and took the Nittany Lions to 37 bowl games and two national championships. More than 250 of the players he coached went on to the NFL.



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AP Photo/Gene J. PuskarJoe Paterno won a Division I-record 409 games and two national titles in 46 seasons at Penn State.


"He will go down as the greatest football coach in the history of the game," Ohio State coach Urban Meyer said after his former team, the Florida Gators, beat Penn State 37-24 in the 2011 Outback Bowl.

 
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  posted on 1/22/2012 at 11:38 AM
After decades of near-complete admiration for the man, it's been difficult to change my opinion these last few months over a series of omissions. I hope Coach Paterno did not suffer much, and that the football world does not hesitate to honor his many good acts. RIP.
 

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  posted on 1/22/2012 at 12:06 PM
Rest in Peace, Joe. You will be missed.



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R.I.P. Joe Paterno. You kept the steady course for 99.99 % of the journey.....


 

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  posted on 1/22/2012 at 01:40 PM
Pretty sure the child abuse going on in the locker room will be proven to constitute a little more than one tenth of a percent of the time . . . on his watch. God rest his soul . . .
 

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  posted on 1/22/2012 at 01:44 PM
Posted in another thread:

I have four children, and I'd hate to the point of attempting physical harm any party to their abuse. My boys are 13 and 16 and active in sports. We trust their coaches to look out for them when they're in their care and this is a betrayal of that. But....

In high school, a teacher had us list all the things we were: students, sons, brothers, nephews, employees, football players, musicians etc. Then, he had us pretend we were gay, or African American, with the lesson that we then became the gay son, the gay neighbor etc. and how one label could change everyone's perception of us, without really changing, if at all, many of the things we are.

Joe Pa deserves the same. His inaction in the Sandusky case taints (destroys) his legacy. But, for starters, others covered it up as well. And let's not forget the positives:

Massive donations of salary and endorsement money to charity and back to Penn State
Positive influence on thousands of young men and women
Putting the university "on the map"
Being the model for how to run a CLEAN and WINNING college football program. No coach could ever say it couldn't be done, because Paterno did it for over 60 years.
And most important, a good man to his family.

Much attention will be focused on abuse, and rightfully so, but like each and every one of us, Joe Paterno had his failings and his positives and as the good book says, "Judge not, lest ye be judged".

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  posted on 1/22/2012 at 01:46 PM
RIP Coach...

 

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  posted on 1/22/2012 at 02:06 PM
My condolences to the fans and supporters of Penn State over the death of their beloved Joe Pa.

However, I've got mixed feelings about his passing.
He and his wife made contributions to the University, that will never be forgotten and shouldn't be.
Not only athletically, but the Paternos were strong supporters of education the whole way, and that should be first and foremosted noted.

I'm not going to rehash the last few bitter months for Joe Pa, but I will say this, I find it disturbing the "cult of personality" mentality, that I think clouded a lot of rational folks' minds, and their judgement, in regards to the end of his time at Penn State.

 

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  posted on 1/22/2012 at 02:19 PM
It's a sad ending to what had been a noble legend. I'm truly sorry it ended the way it did for the man and I have to think dying in a state of disgrace was an incredible punishment for his inaction when he was told of the situation in the locker room. I hope that eventually the man will be remembered for the good he did and not the bad.

 

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R.I.P. Joe Paterno. You kept your skeletons hidden for 99.99 % of the journey.....


 

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It's a sad ending to what had been a noble legend. I'm truly sorry it ended the way it did for the man and I have to think dying in a state of disgrace was an incredible punishment for his inaction when he was told of the situation in the locker room. I hope that eventually the man will be remembered for the good he did and not the bad.


Sorry to be the harbinger of all negativity in this thread. But to me, this is no different than a pimp making contributions to his community using money earned through exploitation. By not using his celebrity to blow the whistle immediately after it happened, it enabled the university to continue to make money from his involvement with their sports program. He profited all during that time and continued his legacy. That legacy is important to Penn State supporters. But is it important to those young men who were impacted by his silence and had a lifetime of suffering and battle of conscience to contend with? There is not a dollar amount that can be given that can probably forgive his conscience. "There but for the Grace of God go I."

 

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  posted on 1/22/2012 at 04:05 PM
I view him no different then I view the Vatican. Cowardice to report child rape for fear of harming the institution.
 

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  posted on 1/22/2012 at 04:22 PM
Part of me feels that his behavior was not egregious (?spelling?) that he did the right thing and just wished things out of his sub-conscious. Part of me feels he could have and should have gone further. There was a pedophile at a camp I attended/worked at. His friends just truly didn't/couldn't believe the evidence. Of course 40 years ago the channels for reporting things were much less refine.

And the third part of me just is looking for the cheap laugh and reports that "Sandusky said he plans to attend the funeral in case Paterno's great grandsons need any emotional support - or a shower"

RIP Joe. I hope my first conclusion is correct,

 

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I'll. Be. Damned....

 

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  posted on 1/23/2012 at 03:30 AM
Peach, you beat me to it.
Joe Paterno, great football caoch and man to his family.
May his wife , esp., find peace and the rest of his family.
Joe Paterno, very bad man for not doing enough of what little he did to stop Sandusky and put Sandusky away.
Yes, Paterno, if he had thought of those kids instead of himself, legend, career, etc., Paterno cpuld have had Sandusky put away.
It bothers me that so many have said that Paterno did not know, was an old amn of another generation and things like this were not done, spoken of...
Paterno knew. Paterno was the superior and had power at PS and chose dept. chairs, etc. HE had lots of power. If Paterno wanted, he could have had Sandusky thrown of the state of Penn. Paterno was THAT pwoerful. All he had to do was say so and the reason was because he said so.
Paterno knew and did nothing.

So if, by logic, if Paterno is a great man, great, then there are many priest who were great priest, good to their parish and families, and did nothing about the other priests having a time with little boys.
These great priest and many were "wonderful men, and raised lots of money for their parish schools and parish and did NOT molest lil boys, but simoly turned a blind eye to the ones who did.
By logic, then people should say, these priest who did not molest boys, RIP, God Bless them for all the good they did for their parish, have a vigil in their honor, etc.


Paterno died. I think it is going overboard in wishing him God Bless, great man and great football coach, having a public candelight vigil, ect. in his honor.


I think we have become a society where in politics, things like this, whatever, "If it aint me and mine, then I don't give a damn."
All of those students and people having candlelight vigils, protests, when this happened etc. ymmm, if it were theirs who was molested by Sandusky and Paterno and the university and did nothing, would they be saying now, God love'ya Joe Pa, God Bless him, Joe Pa, a great man, etc.

He died. He was a great football coach on the football field. He was not a great man.



 

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Coach Paterno was a great man. He made a difference in the lives of a lot of young men. This guilt-by-association to a real human moster is unfortunate. I believe the coach reported the Sandusky issue to the appropriate authorities when he knew about it. Typical of football coaches - he stayed single-focused on his professional challenges. Perhaps he did err in not seeing the issue through, but he was not the monster.

That his legacy and reputation are tarnished by someone else's horrible actions is incredibly unfortunate and unfair to him.

God rest Joe Pa.

 

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Coach Paterno was a great man. He made a difference in the lives of a lot of young men. This guilt-by-association to a real human moster is unfortunate. I believe the coach reported the Sandusky issue to the appropriate authorities when he knew about it. Typical of football coaches - he stayed single-focused on his professional challenges. Perhaps he did err in not seeing the issue through, but he was not the monster.

That his legacy and reputation are tarnished by someone else's horrible actions is incredibly unfortunate and unfair to him.

God rest Joe Pa.


We will agree to disagree. What kind of great man with more power on campus then anyone else does not immediately report child rape to the police.

 

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Coach Paterno was a great man. He made a difference in the lives of a lot of young men. This guilt-by-association to a real human moster is unfortunate. I believe the coach reported the Sandusky issue to the appropriate authorities when he knew about it. Typical of football coaches - he stayed single-focused on his professional challenges. Perhaps he did err in not seeing the issue through, but he was not the monster.

That his legacy and reputation are tarnished by someone else's horrible actions is incredibly unfortunate and unfair to him.

God rest Joe Pa.


We will agree to disagree. What kind of great man with more power on campus then anyone else does not immediately report child rape to the police.

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  posted on 1/23/2012 at 10:32 AM
The only appropriate word for this entire issue is, IMO, "sad."

He died a broken hearted man, the cancer probably wasn't what killed him.

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Much attention will be focused on abuse, and rightfully so, but like each and every one of us, Joe Paterno had his failings and his positives and as the good book says, "Judge not, lest ye be judged".


Actually, when it comes to child rape and those who may have enabled it, I'm pretty comfortable being judgmental.

 

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Coach Paterno was a great man. He made a difference in the lives of a lot of young men. This guilt-by-association to a real human moster is unfortunate. I believe the coach reported the Sandusky issue to the appropriate authorities when he knew about it. Typical of football coaches - he stayed single-focused on his professional challenges. Perhaps he did err in not seeing the issue through, but he was not the monster.

That his legacy and reputation are tarnished by someone else's horrible actions is incredibly unfortunate and unfair to him.

God rest Joe Pa.


Rusty you and I are on the same page. I guess he was suppose to have carnal knowlegde of Sandusky's deviant ways and was suppose to know that day that Sandusky was raping a child at his facility. I also guess he should have had Sandusky beaten or maybe hanged. But he wasn't there and he didn't know about this man's behavior and he didn't find out for a day or 2 himself so when he did find out he didn't make an instant phone call to the police. He sat down to think, probably in disbelief of what he heard but he went to this boss and the campus police were notified but they themselves who can make a legal arrest didn't do that so I guess all the arm chair web surfers think it was in Joe's hand to make it right.

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But he wasn't there and he didn't know about this man's behavior and he didn't find out for a day or 2 himself so when he did find out he didn't make an instant phone call to the police. He sat down to think, probably in disbelief of what he heard but he went to this boss and the campus police were notified but they themselves who can make a legal arrest didn't do that so I guess all the arm chair web surfers think it was in Joe's hand to make it right.


A mountain of publicly available information would seem to counter this. Paterno testified to the grand just just over a year ago about Sandusky's behavior. Sandusky was working out in the football weight room a week before he was arrested a just few months ago. That alone defies even the simplest of logic!

One phone call from Joe Paterno and Sandusky would have never been allowed on Penn State property ever again. I think it would be naive to think that Paterno didn't have that kind of power.

Perhaps Paterno's deep sense of loyalty let him down in the end. People enable the horrible behavior of others all the time for various reasons. Was Paterno above that? He was, after all, just another human being like the rest of us.

For every "arm chair web surfer" who can condemn, there's another "arm chair web surfer" that can defend. So it goes.

 

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R.I.P. Joe Paterno. You kept the steady course for 99.99 % of the journey.....





Dan Patrick said it best

"Remember 4 decades not the last four month"

40 Years of College Football Excellence, Ran a clean program following the recruiting rules
and Graduating Fine Young Men. Men Like Franco Harris, who wants the Regents of Penn State
fired for lack of due process given to Joe.

I hope his death brings some peace to his family and the Penn State Family.
At least Joe doesn't have to go through Sandusky's and those that covered up the crimes trials.

Sandusky will get what he deserves, Joe didn't get what he deserved.



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Coach Paterno was a great man. He made a difference in the lives of a lot of young men. This guilt-by-association to a real human moster is unfortunate. I believe the coach reported the Sandusky issue to the appropriate authorities when he knew about it. Typical of football coaches - he stayed single-focused on his professional challenges. Perhaps he did err in not seeing the issue through, but he was not the monster.

That his legacy and reputation are tarnished by someone else's horrible actions is incredibly unfortunate and unfair to him.

God rest Joe Pa.


We will agree to disagree. What kind of great man with more power on campus then anyone else does not immediately report child rape to the police.


I don't know the University's policies, or the law. But my understanding is that Paterno was required to report this to his superiors, which he did. In every company I've ever worked for or with, only certain people are allowed, by policy, to speak to the police, authorities of any kind, or the media. If PS's policy was for the administrators to follow this up, then Paterno did what he was supposed to do, and what he COULD do. I imagine that at a University only the head of campus security and in house counsel are permitted to speak to law enforcement on most matters.

If Paterno had somehow injected himself into this, he would have been accused of interfering, or whatever. He himself admitted he should have done more, but he apparently did what was required. There are others far more culpable.

Life has choices and we all make them. Some good, some bad. Before ripping Paterno, who by any standard did more good in his life than 99% of us, look inside first.

For those of you that say "he could have done more" - do you do all YOU can to alleviate suffering?

Take a look around your residence - is everything there absolutely necessary to your survival? Suppose the money you spent on the latest electronics, home furnishings, whatever you donated to the homeless. Suppose you donated half of the money you've spent on music alone.

Examine your diet - could you make any changes to free up some money to give to the hungry?

Is there ANYTHING in your life you could cut out to help someone who can't afford medical care? What about the device you're reading this on? Could you do without it?

It's all a continuum of choices - JP made more choices to benefit more people than most.

 

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Actually, when it comes to child rape and those who may have enabled it, I'm pretty comfortable being judgmental.


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The Most logical sentence in the whole thread!!!

Lets put it in a little different perspective. If you had a roommate that lived in your house and someone came over and witnessed him in your shower raping a young boy...came to you and told you about it, you did the right thing and reported BUT nothing was ever done about it, what would you do?? Would you let it go, continue to let this person live in your house and bring little boys over all the time or would you kick the POS out and continue to pursue the facts until something was done about it?? Anyone who preys on children or anyone who turns a blind eye to it, should be held accountable for it!!

No doubt that Joe Paterno did some wonderful things in his life, hell so did Sandusky I bet, but does it change the fact that he was raping adolescant boys in the shower or that MULTIPLE people (not just Paterno) turned a blind eye to it??

The only people that I think its sad for are the CHILDREN, they are the ones we need to be wishing " Rest and Peace" for.......

 

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