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  posted on 1/30/2012 at 08:20 AM
Van Halen - China Town

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCidbyHPvyw&feature=related

 

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  posted on 1/30/2012 at 08:58 AM
I'm avoiding listening to these samples as I want to hear the album in its entirety when it drops next week. However, I have to say I'm amazed at how Van Halen seems to be extremely fan friendly with all these little nuggets they're providing the fan base and at how they're moving forward with the promotion of this new material. It's so unlike them. And from what I'm reading over at vhlinks.com and vhnd.com, people are really digging the new tunes. Most everyone is saying it's a really heavy sounding VH record that just kicks a lot of ass. Despite the first impression the first single "Tattoo" created.
 

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  posted on 1/30/2012 at 10:14 AM
heard the entire album on a stereo system. really good. has 3 clunkers and "tattoo" is one of them
 

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  posted on 1/30/2012 at 11:42 AM
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heard the entire album on a stereo system. really good. has 3 clunkers and "tattoo" is one of them


So ten really good tracks? I actually like "Tattoo" so if what you're saying is true, 11 good tunes isn't too bad. It seems the consensus from pretty much everything I've read from various sources seems to indicate that this is a very heavy record for Van Halen. And apparently not just Eddie's playing as someone suggested Alex may be the heaviest and loudest he's ever been but still with that signature "Alex" sound.

 

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  posted on 1/30/2012 at 11:52 AM
Sounding good.
 

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  posted on 1/30/2012 at 12:08 PM
I believe Itunes has a 90 second clip of every song on the new album now available on their site. I'm trying like hell to avoid listening however.....It's getting more difficult by the day.
 

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  posted on 1/30/2012 at 12:19 PM
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heard the entire album on a stereo system. really good. has 3 clunkers and "tattoo" is one of them


So ten really good tracks? I actually like "Tattoo" so if what you're saying is true, 11 good tunes isn't too bad. It seems the consensus from pretty much everything I've read from various sources seems to indicate that this is a very heavy record for Van Halen. And apparently not just Eddie's playing as someone suggested Alex may be the heaviest and loudest he's ever been but still with that signature "Alex" sound.


EVH doesn't have the same guitar tone on every song this time. it varies a little depending on the style of the song. alex drumming is right up front and it doesn't sound like the same generic drumming like on most of the van hagar stuff. by generic i mean in van hagar almost every fast song seemed to have the exact same beat throughout and i didn't like the overall drum sound. i did not like "tattoo", "stay frosty" (because of the icecream man feel) or "the trouble with never"

 

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  posted on 1/30/2012 at 12:34 PM
This is much better. When I heard Tattoo, I honestly thought it was a bad joke.

 

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  posted on 1/30/2012 at 01:44 PM
Dag nab it! I really don't want to like the new VH stuff because of the hosing they gave Michael Anthony, but damned if this ain't balls out rockin'!!

 

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  posted on 1/30/2012 at 01:48 PM
There are a few audio tracks on youtube posted by someone from the VHLinks where he used software to remove/reduce the vocals so you could hear just the music, and I thought it was interesting to hear that way. One of them did have an intro that sounded like something from the VH3 era, in terms of style and the tone on the guitar. EVH had a sort of thin, very "mid-dy" tone (not midi). Not a Finish What Ya Started tone, but that thin tinny sound with high mids like on some of the VH3 songs. Not sure how else to describe it. The other stuff did indeed sound heavy, which is sort of what I expected after hearing the 3 Hagar bonus tracks several years ago.

 

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  posted on 1/30/2012 at 02:06 PM
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Dag nab it! I really don't want to like the new VH stuff because of the hosing they gave Michael Anthony, but damned if this ain't balls out rockin'!!

Grab what you can when you can if possible. Had a buddy with the same philosophy when Page-Plant toured. We were too young when Bohnam passed so this was a way to see the next best thing to Led Zeppelin. He was soured on not having JPJ present, stayed away from the show. Time rolls on and now he would love to get a chance to see even a Page -Plant reuninon before they call it quits.

 

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  posted on 1/30/2012 at 03:16 PM
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Dag nab it! I really don't want to like the new VH stuff because of the hosing they gave Michael Anthony, but damned if this ain't balls out rockin'!!


I get ya, but keep in mind Mike stands to make some nice coin off this tour just as he did the one in 2007. From what I'm reading the sales of the entire VH catalog have been going up since the announcement of this new CD and tour. Given he still owns his publishing rights to the earlier catalog, he makes money from these increased sales and money whenever they play those early tunes on tour, which I'm sure they'll play some of on the upcoming tour. It sucks he's not fully on board now, but I take some consolation knowing he's still making some nice dough off the whole thing.

 

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  posted on 1/30/2012 at 03:24 PM
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Dag nab it! I really don't want to like the new VH stuff because of the hosing they gave Michael Anthony, but damned if this ain't balls out rockin'!!


I get ya, but keep in mind Mike stands to make some nice coin off this tour just as he did the one in 2007. From what I'm reading the sales of the entire VH catalog have been going up since the announcement of this new CD and tour. Given he still owns his publishing rights to the earlier catalog, he makes money from these increased sales and money whenever they play those early tunes on tour, which I'm sure they'll play some of on the upcoming tour. It sucks he's not fully on board now, but I take some consolation knowing he's still making some nice dough off the whole thing.


i think anthony had to sell his rights to EVH and AVH back in 2004 in order to be part of that hagar reunion

 

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Dag nab it! I really don't want to like the new VH stuff because of the hosing they gave Michael Anthony, but damned if this ain't balls out rockin'!!


I get ya, but keep in mind Mike stands to make some nice coin off this tour just as he did the one in 2007. From what I'm reading the sales of the entire VH catalog have been going up since the announcement of this new CD and tour. Given he still owns his publishing rights to the earlier catalog, he makes money from these increased sales and money whenever they play those early tunes on tour, which I'm sure they'll play some of on the upcoming tour. It sucks he's not fully on board now, but I take some consolation knowing he's still making some nice dough off the whole thing.


i think anthony had to sell his rights to EVH and AVH back in 2004 in order to be part of that hagar reunion


That is incorrect and Mike has stated such in print and in interviews. He sold his share of the Van Halen Corporation to Ed and Al. In other words, his claim on the name, the corporation, touring merchandise, logo, etc...He still owns his publishing rights from the initial agreement when they signed in late '77. Just prior to Roth leaving in '85, they did a new deal whereupon the actual songwriters split publishing rights and Mike no longer got an equal share of writing credits unless he actually wrote the songs (which he admittedly did do at any point while in VH).....That said, he still got 25 % of each song written up until, I believe, "1984." It's a big reason why he's very, very wealthy....

 

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Dag nab it! I really don't want to like the new VH stuff because of the hosing they gave Michael Anthony, but damned if this ain't balls out rockin'!!


I get ya, but keep in mind Mike stands to make some nice coin off this tour just as he did the one in 2007. From what I'm reading the sales of the entire VH catalog have been going up since the announcement of this new CD and tour. Given he still owns his publishing rights to the earlier catalog, he makes money from these increased sales and money whenever they play those early tunes on tour, which I'm sure they'll play some of on the upcoming tour. It sucks he's not fully on board now, but I take some consolation knowing he's still making some nice dough off the whole thing.


i think anthony had to sell his rights to EVH and AVH back in 2004 in order to be part of that hagar reunion


That is incorrect and Mike has stated such in print and in interviews. He sold his share of the Van Halen Corporation to Ed and Al. In other words, his claim on the name, the corporation, touring merchandise, logo, etc...He still owns his publishing rights from the initial agreement when they signed in late '77. Just prior to Roth leaving in '85, they did a new deal whereupon the actual songwriters split publishing rights and Mike no longer got an equal share of writing credits unless he actually wrote the songs (which he admittedly did do at any point while in VH).....That said, he still got 25 % of each song written up until, I believe, "1984." It's a big reason why he's very, very wealthy....


oh ok. i wasn't exactly sure what the deal was

 

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  posted on 1/30/2012 at 06:15 PM
There are two types of royalties. Authorship and performance. If what Chain said is true (and no reason to doubt), then the renegotiated deal prior to DLR leaving was probably authorship that he gave up. He probably still gets performance royalties, at least for the songs he actually performed on. I'm not sure what happened as part of the 2004 reunion - I thought he just relinquished rights to the business entity. But the BOB2 compilation no longer listed M.A. as co-writer on some of the songs from the 1984 record that he previously had been listed on with the other 3. That may've been a typo or inadvertent omission, or part of the renegotiated deal for the Van Hagar reunion. Not sure.

One thing I do know is that it doesn't matter who they list in the credits on the record/CD sleeves. Just b/c they always have listed each of the then-current members as co-writers on their albums for every original song doesn't mean that's true. That's all worked out in legalese contractual mumbo jumbo.

 

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  posted on 1/31/2012 at 07:47 AM
8 of the 13 songs on the new album are old demos and outtakes:


Tattoo - Down In Flames
She's The Woman - She's The Woman
Blood & Fire - Ripley (also the outro of the Wild Life movie)
Bullethead - Bullethead
Honeybabysweetiedoll - part of Unreleased (from WACF sessions)
Outta Space - Let's Get Rockin'
Big River - Big Trouble
Beats Workin' - Put Out The Lights


'Big Trouble' is my favorite unreleased VH. It almost wound up on "Diver Down"

Redone now but it still kicks ass

 

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  posted on 1/31/2012 at 08:02 AM
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8 of the 13 songs on the new album are old demos and outtakes:


Tattoo - Down In Flames
She's The Woman - She's The Woman
Blood & Fire - Ripley (also the outro of the Wild Life movie)
Bullethead - Bullethead
Honeybabysweetiedoll - part of Unreleased (from WACF sessions)
Outta Space - Let's Get Rockin'
Big River - Big Trouble
Beats Workin' - Put Out The Lights


'Big Trouble' is my favorite unreleased VH. It almost wound up on "Diver Down"

Redone now but it still kicks ass



I think DLR had a song called BIg Trouble on Eat Em and Smile.

 

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8 of the 13 songs on the new album are old demos and outtakes:


Tattoo - Down In Flames
She's The Woman - She's The Woman
Blood & Fire - Ripley (also the outro of the Wild Life movie)
Bullethead - Bullethead
Honeybabysweetiedoll - part of Unreleased (from WACF sessions)
Outta Space - Let's Get Rockin'
Big River - Big Trouble
Beats Workin' - Put Out The Lights


'Big Trouble' is my favorite unreleased VH. It almost wound up on "Diver Down"

Redone now but it still kicks ass



I think DLR had a song called BIg Trouble on Eat Em and Smile.


yes he did but its not the same song

 

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There are two types of royalties. Authorship and performance. If what Chain said is true (and no reason to doubt), then the renegotiated deal prior to DLR leaving was probably authorship that he gave up. He probably still gets performance royalties, at least for the songs he actually performed on. I'm not sure what happened as part of the 2004 reunion - I thought he just relinquished rights to the business entity. But the BOB2 compilation no longer listed M.A. as co-writer on some of the songs from the 1984 record that he previously had been listed on with the other 3. That may've been a typo or inadvertent omission, or part of the renegotiated deal for the Van Hagar reunion. Not sure.

One thing I do know is that it doesn't matter who they list in the credits on the record/CD sleeves. Just b/c they always have listed each of the then-current members as co-writers on their albums for every original song doesn't mean that's true. That's all worked out in legalese contractual mumbo jumbo.




That's correct, Mike gave up his authorship split but not performance split when they redid their deal with Warner's in, I believe, 1983. So he most likely still owns 25% of the songs written prior to 1984. And he has stated publicly that he sold his rites to the business entity only as part of the 2004 tour with Hagar. And by the way, Ed and Al sold their rights to the "Cabo Wabo" business, (not the tequila brand per se) entity to Hagar as part of him doing that tour. Whereupon Sammy opened a few more cantinas shortly after. Hagar stated years ago that if he ever opened another "Cabo Wabo" bar like the one in Cabo Wabo itself, he had to pay the VH brothers and Mike as they still owned rites to the entire "Cabo Wabo" concept. That was the deal that was negotiated in their initial "divorce" in 1995. Again, this is completely different than Hagar's "Cabo Wabo" brand tequila which he no longer owns himself (he recently sold his remaining 20% interest to the large conglomerate that bought his 80% share a few years ago).....

Either way, it's good to know Mike still makes a nice chunk of change annually off his royalties not only from record sales but whenever VH performs any of the songs he owns publishing rights to. For instance, since on the last tour they played a lot of the classic tunes he partially owns, he made a VERY nice chunk of change off the very lucrative reunion tour in 2007 just as he most likely will this time around if they play some of those same songs. A little justice perhaps.

 

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  posted on 2/1/2012 at 07:50 AM
Sam, I love you and all , but you probably need to keep your mouth closed


http://www.eddietrunk.com/index.cfm/pk/view/cd/NAA/cdid/433176/pid/400512
Sammy Hagar Implies That Chickenfoot Is Better Than Van Halen

Well, it was just a matter of time. Former Van Halen singer Sammy Hagar has gone on record by claiming that the musicians in Chickenfoot are better than those in the reunited Van Halen.


Talking to Radio Metal, the singer says, ďAs individuals, absolutely! Iíve been in both bands, I can tell you right now. Take the new albums and compare them track by track and then tell me.

If you take Joe Satriani versus Eddie, you take Dave Lee Roth versus me, Wolfie Van Halen versus Mikey Anthony, Chad Smith or Kenny Aronoff versus Al Van HalenÖI mean, come on! You know what I mean? Man for man, who can sing the best? Dave or I, today? Who can play the best? Joe or Eddie, today? Who could play or sing the best? Wolfie or Mikey? I think itís a joke. Sure, I love the comparison as long as itís fair. Not because youíre a big Eddie Van Halen fan, you think that heís God, therefore you think that heís better than Joe; you have to be bipartisan and just listen and watch both of them play. Listen, I played with them both, I can tell you right now, there is no comparison today. Never mind the innovator that Eddie was. Iím talking about what they can play today.Ē

But despite all that, Hagar would be happy for Chickenfoot to open for Van Halen. ďAre you kidding? Right now, for free. They wouldnít even have to pay me.Ē

 

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  posted on 2/1/2012 at 10:07 AM
Hagar needs some publicity as Chickenfoot III sales haven't exactly been stellar from what I've read. I wouldn't doubt if they're done after their upcoming tour is finished. More to the point of his comments, music, for me at least, isn't a competition. And no doubt the players in chickenfoot are great individual players, but they're collective songwriting abilities pale in comparison to Van Halen. To be fair, I haven't heard all of the Chickenfoot material, but what I have heard is as bland as pasta without sauce.
 

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  posted on 2/1/2012 at 01:38 PM
I am not overly impressed of what I have heard from the VH album so far. Unlike most my favorite track so far is still Tattoo and is the track that most sounds like vintage VH to me. Maybe some of the other songs will grow on me when I hear the complete versions but so far what I have heard in underwhelming to me. That being said I don't like anything Chickenfoot has put out. To me it's just more Sammy solo stuff. Great musicians don't always equal great original music and IMO Chickenfoot is far from great.

 

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  posted on 2/1/2012 at 03:06 PM
I have friends who are better musicians than those guys in Chickenfoot, just not famous. Chemistry onstage means way more than individual talent. The point about musicianship and lack of songwriting skills is spot on. That is why my friends who are better musicians are not famous.

Van Halen will never be what Sammy is now......a bar and casino act

 

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I am not overly impressed of what I have heard from the VH album so far. Unlike most my favorite track so far is still Tattoo and is the track that most sounds like vintage VH to me. Maybe some of the other songs will grow on me when I hear the complete versions but so far what I have heard in underwhelming to me. That being said I don't like anything Chickenfoot has put out. To me it's just more Sammy solo stuff. Great musicians don't always equal great original music and IMO Chickenfoot is far from great.


The only thing I've heard is Tattoo and She's The Woman from the Cafe gig. I haven't listened to anything else as I want to hear the rest of the material in its entirety and on something other than an MP3 and through crappy computer speakers. From everything I'm reading at Vhlinks.com, the consensus seems to be that this album kicks some serious ass. There's even a link to a review that claims the same. When has that ever happened with a VH record? But maybe it'll be sub par album to my ears as well, Sixty. I guess we'll have to wait until it's available next Tuesday.

 
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