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  posted on 2/3/2012 at 02:52 PM
Panetta believes Israel could strike Iran this spring

By Barbara Starr

U.S. Defense Secretary Leon Panetta has come to the conclusion there is a growing likelihood Israel could attack Iran sometime this spring in an effort to destroy its suspected nuclear weapons program, according to a senior administration official.

The official declined to be identified due to the sensitive nature of the information.

Panetta's views were first reported by the Washington Post's David Ignatius, who wrote Panetta "believes there is strong likelihood that Israel will strike Iran in April, May or June - before Iran enters what Israelis described as a 'zone of immunity' to commence building a nuclear bomb."

Asked by reporters in Brussels, where Panetta is attending NATO meetings, the defense secretary refused to comment. But Panetta told reporters the U.S. has "indicated our concerns" to Israel, according to a transcript provided by the Defense Department.

But the official also noted that Israel goes through cycles of making aggressive statements about its intentions toward Iran in an effort to pressure the United States and the West to take more action.

Iran's supreme leader issued a blunt warning Friday that war would be detrimental to the United States - and that Iran is ready to help anyone who confronts "cancerous" Israel.

"You see every now and then in this way they say that all options are on the table. That means even the option of war," Ayatollah Ali Khamenei said during Friday prayers in Tehran. "This is how they make these threats against us.

Israeli Defense Minister Ehud Barak warned Thursday that Iran may be close to the point "which may render any physical strike as impractical," according to Reuters.

But just a few weeks ago, Barak suggested things were not as urgent, saying an Israeli decision on whether to strike Iran's nuclear program was "very far off."

A "confluence' of intelligence has led Panetta to this conclusion, the official told CNN, but declined to offer any specifics except noting that the United States conducts intelligence operations aimed at Israel as it does with many other allies.

The senior administration official also noted that there is a general understanding in the administration that Israel may have come to the firm conclusion Iran is developing a nuclear weapon. Just last week, the recently retired chief of Israeli military intelligence told CNN's David McKenzie that the "Iranians have already decided that they want nuclear weapons," he said. But he added they haven't decided fully to go through with creating the weapons.

The official U.S. assessment is that Iran has not yet made that decision, the source said.

At a Senate hearing on Tuesday, Central Intelligence Agency Director David Petraeus, who said he has regular discussions with Israel's leadership and intelligence head, noted that "Israel does see this possibility as an existential threat to their country, and I think that it is very important to keep that perspective in mind."

At the same hearing, Director of National Intelligence James Clapper noted the United States works closely with the Israelis and said the notion that Israel could strike is "a very sensitive issue right now."

"This is an area that we are very, very concerned about," Clapper said.

Panetta's press secretary, George Little, declined to comment on the report. Gen. Martin Dempsey, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, recently said it would be premature for the United States to consider striking Iran.

http://security.blogs.cnn.com/2012/02/02/panetta-believes-israel-could-stri ke-iran-this-spring/

 

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  posted on 2/3/2012 at 02:53 PM
Is Israel preparing to attack Iran?
By David Ignatius, Published: February 2

BRUSSELS

Defense Secretary Leon Panetta has a lot on his mind these days, from cutting the defense budget to managing the drawdown of U.S. forces in Afghanistan. But his biggest worry is the growing possibility that Israel will attack Iran over the next few months.

Panetta believes there is a strong likelihood that Israel will strike Iran in April, May or June — before Iran enters what Israelis described as a “zone of immunity” to commence building a nuclear bomb. Very soon, the Israelis fear, the Iranians will have stored enough enriched uranium in deep underground facilities to make a weapon — and only the United States could then stop them militarily.

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu doesn’t want to leave the fate of Israel dependent on American action, which would be triggered by intelligence that Iran is building a bomb, which it hasn’t done yet.

Israeli Defense Minister Ehud Barak may have signaled the prospect of an Israeli attack soon when he asked last month to postpone a planned U.S.-Israel military exercise that would culminate in a live-fire phase in May. Barak apologized that Israel couldn’t devote the resources to the annual exercise this spring.

President Obama and Panetta are said to have cautioned the Israelis that the United States opposes an attack, believing that it would derail an increasingly successful international economic sanctions program and other non-military efforts to stop Iran from crossing the threshold. But the White House hasn’t yet decided precisely how the United States would respond if the Israelis do attack.

The Obama administration is conducting intense discussions about what an Israeli attack would mean for the United States: whether Iran would target U.S. ships in the region or try to close the Strait of Hormuz; and what effect the conflict and a likely spike in oil prices would have on the fragile global economy.

The administration appears to favor staying out of the conflict unless Iran hits U.S. assets, which would trigger a strong U.S. response.

This U.S. policy — signaling that Israel is acting on its own — might open a breach like the one in 1956, when President Dwight Eisenhower condemned an Israeli-European attack on the Suez Canal. Complicating matters is the 2012 presidential campaign, which has Republicans candidates clamoring for stronger U.S. support of Israel.

Administration officials caution that Tehran shouldn’t misunderstand: The United States has a 60-year commitment to Israeli security, and if Israel’s population centers were hit, the United States could feel obligated to come to Israel’s defense.

Israelis are said to believe that a military strike could be limited and contained. They would bomb the uranium-enrichment facility at Natanz and other targets; an attack on the buried enrichment facility at Qom would be harder from the air. Iranians would retaliate, but Israelis doubt that the action would be an overwhelming barrage, with rockets from Hezbollah forces in Lebanon. One Israeli estimate is that the Jewish state might have to absorb 500 casualties.

Israelis point to Syria’s lack of response to an Israeli attack on a nuclear reactor there in 2007. Iranians might show similar restraint, because of fear the regime would be endangered by all-out war. Some Israelis have also likened a strike on Iran to the 1976 hostage-rescue raid on Entebbe, Uganda, which was followed by a change of regime in that country.

Israeli leaders are said to accept, and even welcome, the prospect of going it alone and demonstrating their resolve at a time when their security is undermined by the Arab Spring.

“You stay to the side, and let us do it,” one Israeli official is said to have advised the United States. A “short-war” scenario assumes five days or so of limited Israeli strikes, followed by a U.N.-brokered cease-fire. The Israelis are said to recognize that damage to the nuclear program might be modest, requiring another strike in a few years.

U.S. officials see two possible ways to dissuade the Israelis from such an attack: Tehran could finally open serious negotiations for a formula to verifiably guarantee that its nuclear program will remain a civilian one; or the United States could step up its covert actions to degrade the program so much that Israelis would decide that military action wasn’t necessary.

U.S. officials don’t think that Netanyahu has made a final decision to attack, and they note that top Israeli intelligence officials remain skeptical of the project. But senior Americans doubt that the Israelis are bluffing. They’re worrying about the guns of spring — and the unintended consequences.

davidignatius@washpost.com

 

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  posted on 2/3/2012 at 02:56 PM
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  posted on 2/3/2012 at 05:03 PM
If Israel makes the first strike does that mean the United States is obligated to follow them into war? I understand if Iran 'threw the first punch' but I'm concerned if Israel makes the first move.

 

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  posted on 2/3/2012 at 05:25 PM
it find it amazing that two countries that have nuclear weapons are concerned about a country where
the intelligence says they have not built a bomb.

It is very possible that they only intent to use it for running reactors to generate electricity.
Why are they denied this? with no proof of a weapon?

they don't want Iran to have reactors because they might be able to make a bomb.

Not because they ARE building a bomb. Just That they could.

Yet these countries feel the need to bomb sites and assassinate scientists to maintain their
superior nuclear position.

This is shameful.

 

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If Israel makes the first strike does that mean the United States is obligated to follow them into war? I understand if Iran 'threw the first punch' but I'm concerned if Israel makes the first move.


Israel has made the first move , they have already bombed sites and assassinated scientists.

 

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Wow. So,Iran openly seeks the destruction of Israel and goes for nukes, and that is not a first shot?? Of course,I understand the liberal desire to not support Israel. But to truly think that Iran is NOT out to make nukes, that is unreal. Apparently Ahmadinnerjacket is more able to be convincing in some circles than I thought. Meanwhile, it is Obama and his Sec. of Defense Panetta who recently said that they will stop Iran from getting nukes by any means necessary, including by war if needed, and the liberal mind does not mention Obama's name??

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Wow. So,Iran openly seeks the destruction of Israel and goes for nukes, and that is not a first shot?? Of course,I understand the liberal desire to not support Israel. But to truly think that Iran is NOT out to make nukes, that is unreal. Apparently Ahmadinnerjacket is more able to be convincing in some circles than I thought. Meanwhile, it is Obama and his Sec. of Defense Panetta who recently said that they will stop Iran from getting nukes by any means necessary, including by war if needed, and the liberal mind does not mention Obama's name??

Got it!


wrong again.

those are your demented thoughts not mine.

and say far more about you.

 

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  posted on 2/3/2012 at 05:45 PM
the conservative mind thinks it ok to assassinate folks and bomb without any proof of a weapon. ?

OK got it.

When Isreal and the US destroy their own nuclear arsenal, then they can worry about other countries without the stench of Hypocrisy.



 

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Wow. So,Iran openly seeks the destruction of Israel and goes for nukes, and that is not a first shot?? Of course,I understand the liberal desire to not support Israel. But to truly think that Iran is NOT out to make nukes, that is unreal. Apparently Ahmadinnerjacket is more able to be convincing in some circles than I thought. Meanwhile, it is Obama and his Sec. of Defense Panetta who recently said that they will stop Iran from getting nukes by any means necessary, including by war if needed, and the liberal mind does not mention Obama's name??

Got it!


wrong again.

those are your demented thoughts not mine.

and say far more about you.


He is incapable of communicating in any other manner. That's pretty obvious after all these years.

 

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I support Israel 100% and if their intel is telling them Iran is close they gotta do what they gotta do. I don't want to hear one single Republican though blame Obama when we are paying $10 or more for a gallon of gas. Like I said, I support Israel but they are gonna be the ones who take the blame for whatever happens to gas and oil prices should they strike against Iran.

 

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the conservative mind thinks it ok to assassinate folks and bomb without any proof of a weapon. ?

OK got it.



Obama has been using assassination for three years now, especially with drones, and with civilians killed. Where is the outrage??


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He is incapable of communicating in any other manner. That's pretty obvious after all these years


As opposed to the whining faux liberal sensitivity act?? Please. Somebody's got to sh*t in the butter churn.

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When Isreal and the US destroy their own nuclear arsenal, then they can worry about other countries without the stench of Hypocrisy.




Good see no difference in your mind beteen the US and Israel and a lowlife theocratic dictatorship like Iran. Neville Chamberlain, rest in peace!

 

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nice try

I have never been a supporter of that sell out Obama.


And I know Hypocrisy when I see it.

 

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I support Israel 100% and if their intel is telling them Iran is close they gotta do what they gotta do. I don't want to hear one single Republican though blame Obama when we are paying $10 or more for a gallon of gas. Like I said, I support Israel but they are gonna be the ones who take the blame for whatever happens to gas and oil prices should they strike against Iran.


Of course Israel has a right to defend itself, but how far is reasonable and ethical. ??

I think the assassination of civilians is a far cry from a defensive posture.

 

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I don't think it is unreasonable to assume Iran wants enriched uranium for peaceful reactors.

Isreal has a missle defense system shown to be very effective.

So why waste resources on a weapon that would most likely be shot down?

it doesn't make sense strategically.



 

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If Israel makes the first strike does that mean the United States is obligated to follow them into war? I understand if Iran 'threw the first punch' but I'm concerned if Israel makes the first move.


Israel has the US's full backing to the point that we put them on on our own nuclear missile launch system. We will send missiles to help them fight. (You can thank George Bush for that development, happened under his watch, with his full knowledge and agreement).

 

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Ah yes, Iran, the next boogey man we must attack. All this talk of cuts to the military is so comical and sad at the same time. When they basically follow the same script as the last time and just start another war in the Middle East. Don't buy it folks. They're screwing us yet again. I mean it's so obvious. The worst part is I'm not sure which is worse, the complex for doing it, yet again, or the we the public for letting them do it (yet again).

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  posted on 2/3/2012 at 09:58 PM
With 20 per cent of the world's oil going thru the Strait of Hormuz, if Iran closes it, there are immediate worldwide implications. Gas going to $6 or more per gallon immediately. How high can it go? Depends how long it stays closed for. Britain would activate their war ships as would the US, and the Saudis would allow their country to assist the US because their oil goes there also. Because of the seriousness of it. Estimates are that if the Strait remained closed for 72 hours, the price of oil would go to $180-200 per barrell. (it is now a little over $100). You want $8-10 gallon gas?

If the Straits were closed, they would not remain closed very long.

No doubt, the US would play nice with Pakistan to be able to re-use Shamsi air base to launch planes from and also use the airfield in Jalalabad.

Interestingly, Ahmadinejad has said he never threatened to close the straits. Maybe he has other plans. (It would be WWIII the start of the Israeli-Palestinian war bringing the rest of the world into it. Bible: Ezekiel Chapter 38 Six years into that war, the anti-Christ will rise to power and get a peace treaty signed. These are the prophecies and the times we are living in).


Don't know who or where the countries are that are referred to in Chapter 38, neither did I, now I know, and so will you.

ANCIENT NAMES OF MODERN NATIONS
ANCIENT NAME MODERN NATION

Rosh (ancient Sarmatians known as Rashu,Rasapu,Ros and Rus) RUSSIA

Magog (ancient Scythians) Central Asia (Islamic southern republics of the former Soviet Union with a population of 60 million Muslims)

Meshech (ancient Muschki and Musku in Cilicia and Cappadocia) Turkey

Tubal (ancient Tubalu in Cappadocia) Turkey

Persia (name changed to Iran in 1935) Iran

Ethiopia (ancient Cush,south of Egypt) Sudan

Libya (ancient Put,west of Egypt) Libya

Gomer (ancient Cimmerians from seventh century to first century B.C. in central/western Anatolia Turkey

Beth-Togarmah (Tilgarimmu between ancien Carchemish and Haran) Turkey









 

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  posted on 2/3/2012 at 10:06 PM
Seems odd that a country with that kind of oil reserves needs nuclear power. If the Israelis strike they won't need our help. It won't be a ground war and occupation like we stick our asses into, they'll hit what they want and get out.

If they have genuine intel, it's hard to blame them for striking before it's too late and I don't imagine they would go without it. But we did......so......

 

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For those who want to know (and some do).

http://prophecyupdate.com/
http://www.omegaletter.com/articles/articles.asp?ArticleID=6745

The 70 weeks are divided into 3 sections:

The 1st section (7 weeks or 49 years) is the time from the edict of Xerxes of Persia (444 BC) to the rebuilding of Jerusalem.

The 2nd section (62 weeks or 434 years) is from the rebuilding of Jerusalem to the death of Christ.

The 3rd section (1 week or 7 years) is suspended from the death (cut off) of the Messiah until the antichrist confirms a 7 year peace treaty in the Middle East. The treaty marks the start of the tribulation period.

FOUR BIBLICAL POWER BLOCS IN THE LATTER DAYS

KING OF THE NORTH (GOG-MAGOG ALLIANCE): Russia, Iran and the Arab-Islamic alliance. (Ezek. 38-39)

KINGS OF THE SOUTH: Egypt, Africa and Islamic North Africa (Dan. 11:40)

KINGS OF THE EAST: China and Southeast Asia (Rev. 16:12)

REVIVED ROMAN EMPIRE/ WESTERN ALLIANCE/ BEAST ARMY OF ANTICHRIST: (Dan. 7:7). If the European Union becomes combined with the Mediterranean union, the two together will have the same exact land boundaries as the ancient Holy Roman Empire. The Benelux Treaty, signed in 1948 (the same year as the re-birth of Israel) began the unification of Europe. The Bible says that the revived Roman Empire will be led by the antichrist. (Rev. 17:12)


TWO EVENTS LEADING TO THE TRIBULATION
PROPHECY, THE BURDEN OF DAMASCUS (Is. 17:1, 14)
1: “A message concerning Damascus. Observe! Damascus is about to be undone as a city.”
14: “At evening tide, lo, terror! Before morning they are gone. Such is the fate of those who pillage us and the lot of those who plunder us.”
FACT: Damascus, the capital of Syria, is the oldest continuously inhabited city in the world, population approximately 1.6 million. Syria is the state sponsor of the Islamist group Hezbollah.

PROPHECY, Psalm 83 (1000 BC)

“God, do not be silent, be not quiet, be not still. See how Your enemies are astir, how Your foes rear their heads. With cunning they conspire against Your people; they plot against those You cherish. Come they say “LET US DESTROY THEM AS A NATION”, that the name of Israel be remembered no more. With one mind they plot together, they form an alliance against You, the tents of Edom (modern day Palestinians, descendants of Esau) and the Ishmaelite ( descendants of Ishmael, Yemen) of Moab (modern day Jordan), Ammon (nomadic tribesman, northwest Arabia, east of the Dead Sea) and Amalek (Son of Esau, area of Iran), Philistia (Gaza) with the inhabitants of Tyre (Lebanon). Even Assyria (Syria) has joined them to lend strength to the descendants of Lot (northern Jordan).”

THE WAR OF GOG AND MAGOG, THREE YEARS INTO THE TRIBULATION
PROPHECY Ezek 38:1-4 (575 BC)
“The word of the Lord came to me: Son of Man set your face against Gog, (Russia and Iran) of the land of Magog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal: Prophecy against him and say: This is what the sovereign Lord says, I am against you, oh Gog, chief prince of Mesech and Tubal. I will turn you around and put hooks in your jaw, and bring you out with your whole army—your horses, your horseman fully armed, and a great horde with large and small shields and all of them brandishing their swords.”

FACT: Gog( Russia and Iran?) is thought by most Christian scholars to be a title of a strong leader. Magog, is the son of Japheth who was a son of Noah. Josephus, the first century Jewish historian, identified the offspring of Magog as the Scythians who were known as brutal horse-riding nomads that resided in the area of modern day southern Russia. Rosh, Meshech and Tubal. There is unanimity among dispensational scholars that these countries are also found in Russia and the former Soviet republics.

PROPHECY Ezek. 38:5-6
“Persia (Iran), Cush (Sudan)and Put (Libya, Algeria) will be with them, all with shields and helmets, also Gomer with all his troops, and Beth Togarmah from the far north with all his troops-the many nations with you.”

FACT: Persia is modern day Iran.
Cush is the area of Sudan, Ethiopia and possibly Eritrea.
Put is the area of Libya, Algeria, and Tunisia.
Gomer, the eldest son of Japheth (Noah), is modern day Turkey.
Beth Togarmah is Turkey, Armenia, and the Turkish-speaking people of Asia Minor and central Asia.

“Many nations with you’, possibly additional Islamic allies.

THE BATTLE OF ARMAGEDDON

“And at the time of the end shall the king of the south (Egypt, Africa, N. Africa) push at him: and the king of the north(Russia, Iran) shall come against him like a whirlwind, with chariots, and with horsemen, and with many ships; and he shall enter into the countries, and shall overflow and pass over”. (Dan. 11:40)

This is the closing battle of the second three and one-half years of the tribulation. It begins with Russia/Iran’s invasion of Israel (Gog-Magog/ King of the North), after the peace contract with Israel is broken (Ezek. 38:15-16). As the war escalates, new participants include: antichrist (Western Alliance), Kings of the South and Kings of the East.

Antichrist will move all his military might with the other Kings to do battle with Christ at His return to the Mount of Olives (Zech. 14:4, Rev. 16:14)

Christ will come. The battle of Armageddon climaxes the campaign as the Lord and His armies appear from Heaven. The enemy armies will be destroyed (Joel 3: 2, 9-14, Ps. 2: 2-

3). Christ returns, riding a white horse. His eyes are as a flame of fire and His robe dipped in blood. Written on the robe is ‘King of Kings’ and ‘Lord of Lords’. He will smite the nations, and the antichrist and the False Prophet will be cast into the Lake of Fire.
It will be the bloodiest battle in history (Ps. 2:2, Zech. 14:3). The destruction resulting will be that the blood of the armies will reach to the horses’ bridles for two hundred miles and it will require mankind 7 months to bury the dead ( Rev. 14:20, Ezek. 39:12).
(Excerpts from J Dwight Pentecost: Campaign of Armageddon)

[the prophecies about this battle are the same in Islam, taking 7 years to bury the dead, the blood from the wars reaching the bridles of horses].

MAJOR EVENTS OF UNFULFILLED PROPHECY 3/10

- Damascus is destroyed in one night (Is. 17:1, 14)

- A coalition of nations marches on Israel (Ps. 83)

- Israel is attacked (Isaiah 17:4) the war ends and Israel becomes an exceedingly great army (Ezek. 37:10, 35:14; Obad. 1:18)

- Revival of the Roman Empire, 10 nation confederacy formed. (Dan. 7:7, 24; Rev. 13:1, 17:3)

- Rise of Antichrist: (Dan. 7:8; Rev. 13:1-8)

-7 year peace treaty with Israel: consummated 7 years before the second coming of Christ (Dan. 9:27; Rev. 11-16) the third Jewish Temple is built (Dan. 9:27)

- Russia/Iran (King of the north) launches a surprise attack on Israel, four years before the second coming of Christ (Ezek. 38-39). This campaign will continue through the last three and one half years of the tribulation and concludes in the battle of Armageddon.

- Peace treaty with Israel is broken. Antichrist enters the Holy of Holies and declares himself to be God (Abomination of desolation (Dan 7: 23; 2 Thess. 2: 4)

- Antichrist sets up world government, world economic system and world church (Dan 7:23; Rev 13: 5-8, 15-17, 17:16-17)

- Many Christians and Jews are martyred who refuse the mark of the beast, (no one may buy or sell without the mark (Rev. 7: 9-17, 13-15,)

- Catastrophic divine judgments represented by 7 seals, 7 bowls and 7 judgments poured out on the earth (Rev. 6-18)

- Babylon is destroyed: Former headquarters of antichrist prior to moving his headquarters to Israel during the battle of Armageddon. (Rev. 18; Dan. 11:20-21)

- Battle of Armageddon begins: A continuation of Ezekiel 38-39 that began before the mid-way point of the Tribulation (3 ½ years) and concludes with Christ and His armies at the hill of Megiddo. (Dan. 11:40-45; Rev. 9:13-21, 16:12-16)

- Second coming of Jesus Christ (Matt. 24:27-31; Rev. 19:11-21)

- Satan bound for 1000 years (Rev. 20:1-3)

- Resurrection of Tribulation saints and Old Testament saints (Dan. 12: 2)

- Millennium Kingdom begins (Rev. 20:5-6)

- Final rebellion at the end of the Millennium (Rev. 20: 5-6)

- Great White Throne judgment: judgment of sinners (Rev. 20: 11-15)

- Eternity begins, new heaven, new earth, New Jerusalem (Rev. 21:1-2)

Additional excerpts from: “Every Prophecy of the Bible”, John F. Walvrood. Covenants: interview Bill Salus Chuck Misler 2/10/10). Psalm 83: Bill Salus blogspot 2009. Dispensations: Grant Jeffrey’s TV program 3/2/10.

http://www.raptureready.com/featured/chambers/jc84.html
http://gracethrufaith.com/ikvot-hamashiach/seven-major-prophetic-signs-of-t he-second-coming/

The Ancient Roman Empire Will Re-Emerge As A Political Force… Rev 17:9-10

“This calls for a mind with wisdom. The seven heads are seven hills on which the woman sits. They are also seven kings. Five have fallen, one is, the other has not yet come; but when he does come, he must remain for a little while.” (This one is a little obscure if you don’t know your history. When John was writing this, about 95AD, there had been five great world powers; Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Persia, and Greece. All were conquered and absorbed. The current power was Rome, which was never really conquered and will re-emerge at the end of the age, according to Daniel 9:26.)

5. The World Will Embrace A Single Religion… Rev 13:8
All inhabitants of the earth will worship the beast–all whose names have not been written in the book of life belonging to the Lamb that was slain from the creation of the world.
Much has been written recently about al Mahdi, a figure out of Moslem prophecies that are strikingly similar to Christian prophecies of the anti-Christ. Both show a leader coming on the scene during a time of great turmoil on Earth. Both depict him as man of peace who will have a seven year reign, head up a one world religion and one world government, and claim supernatural origins. Both prophecies culminate in a battle between good and evil that brings about Earth’s final judgment. It’s as they’re pointing to the same person. The difference is that in Islam he’s a good guy, while the Bible calls him evil.

Take this charismatic political and religious leader with his supernatural power, add the widely held but incorrect belief that God and Allah are the same, and that Islam is a religion of peace, and then subtract the spirit of discernment that will disappear with the Church and you can see how he could be the straw that a world on the brink of disaster grasps for survival.

6. The World Will Accept A Single Government… Rev 13:3
The whole world was astonished and followed the beast.

[The world will be sick of wars, and will accept the anti-Christ who will be the only one who can get the peace treaty signed once the war with Israel begins. The idea of a one world govt., one world army will be sold to people with the idea, hey there will be no more wars, we are all one big community. The world will become enslaved to this charismatic leader, who will claim to be Jesus but he will not be Jesus. He will probably be like a peaceful Osama, charismatic, handsome and persuasive....}

7. Babylon Will Re-Emerge As A Prominent City In World Affairs… Rev 18:2-3
With a mighty voice he shouted: “Fallen! Fallen is Babylon the Great! She has become a home for demons and a haunt for every evil spirit, a haunt for every unclean and detestable bird. For all the nations have drunk the maddening wine of her adulteries. The kings of the earth committed adultery with her, and the merchants of the earth grew rich from her excessive luxuries.”

You may not know it, but Babylon is being made ready to accept its destiny as a city of power in the end times. It’s just a ceremonial city right now, but 20 years ago nobody even knew it existed at all. One of the shocks of Gulf War 1 was the discovery of Babylon standing there on the banks of the Euphrates again. Now there’s a concerted effort underway to complete what Saddam Hussein began and return Babylon to world prominence. The government of Iraq has decided that making Babylon an international tourist destination is in the country’s best interest, and the US has agreed to underwrite a feasibility study to see how this could be accomplished.

7. Babylon Will Re-Emerge As A Prominent City In World Affairs… Rev 18:2-3

With a mighty voice he shouted: “Fallen! Fallen is Babylon the Great! She has become a home for demons and a haunt for every evil spirit, a haunt for every unclean and detestable bird. For all the nations have drunk the maddening wine of her adulteries. The kings of the earth committed adultery with her, and the merchants of the earth grew rich from her excessive luxuries.”

You may not know it, but Babylon is being made ready to accept its destiny as a city of power in the end times. It’s just a ceremonial city right now, but 20 years ago nobody even knew it existed at all. One of the shocks of Gulf War 1 was the discovery of Babylon standing there on the banks of the Euphrates again. Now there’s a concerted effort underway to complete what Saddam Hussein began and return Babylon to world prominence. The government of Iraq has decided that making Babylon an international tourist destination is in the country’s best interest, and the US has agreed to underwrite a feasibility study to see how this could be accomplished.

PESTILENCE

THE LOVE OF MOST WILL GROW COLD

THIS GOSPEL WILL BE PREACHED IN ALL NATIONS

http://www.raptureready.com/soap/g3.html

http://gracethrufaith.com/ikvot-hamashiach/2012-the-end-of-the-world/

REMARK: And something you have not heard, not did I, difficult to believe, but we can and must prove all things. We are commanded to do that, to seek the truth and teach those who wish to learn from us. Knowledge must be shared.

http://www.endtime.com/

http://www.endtimes-bibleprophecy.com/page18.htm

The antichrist truth can only be found using the Bible and actual historical facts. There are so many wild speculations as to who the antichrist is, from Presidents and Princes, to movie stars. There is no end to the amount of speculation out there. But what are these speculations based on? Nothing but guesswork. By guessing, we will get nowhere, so we must turn to the Word of God in the Bible to find the real truth about the Bible antichrist. The first appearance of the end time antichrist in the Bible is the little horn power in Daniel 7. This little horn then becomes the beast in Revelation 13, and then we find in Revelation 17 'Mystery Babylon the Great' who is riding the beast. You will find as you read through this page that the little horn and the sea beast in Revelation 13 are the same kingdoms/powers. We learned from the little horn in Daniel study that Papal Rome (ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH) was the only kingdom power that matched the identity of the little horn.

Characteristics of the Little Horn Power

Daniel 7:24 .....'And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise.' ..... So the horns represent kings/kingdoms.

Daniel 7:8 .....'there came up among them another little horn.' ..... This kingdom is a 'little' kingdom. The Vatican state is it's own country. Its a little kingdom.

Daniel 7:8 .....'there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up.' ..... The Roman Catholic Church when it rose to power had three other kingdoms destroyed because they would not bow down to her authority. Those three kingdoms were the Heruli, the Vandals, and the Ostrogoths.

Daniel 7:25 .....'And he shall speak great words against the most High.' ..... The Roman Catholic Church leaders speak amazing blasphemies against God, proclaiming that the Pope and God are the same, that the Pope is Jesus Christ Himself on earth. They say that salvation can only be achieved through the Catholic Church. Download Papal Quotes with hundreds of blasphemous words from the Catholic Church.

Daniel 7:25 .....'shall wear out the saints of the most High.' ..... The Roman Catholic Church slaughtered over 50 MILLION Christians during her reign of terror between 538 - 1798. Download this book: Foxes Book of Martyrs and read the shocking truth about the crimes of the Roman Catholic Church.

Daniel 7:25 .....'and think to change times and laws.' ..... The Roman Catholic Church boasts about changing the 7th Day Sabbath, God's Holy Day, to the first day of the week. In the past they also removed the second commandment to do with idols from their 'Catechism for Converts' book. The Roman Catholic Church have certainly thought to change God's time and Law.

Daniel 7:25 .....'and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.' ..... This time period is equal to 1260 days, but in Bible prophecy a day equals a literal year (see Ezekiel 4:6 and Numbers 14:34). So this time period is actually 1260 years. The Roman Catholic Church were in power from 538AD to 1798AD. 1260 years exactly!

"Three times and a half; that is, for 1260 solar years, reckoning as time for a calendar year of 360 days, and a day for a solar year. After which the judgment is to sit, and they shall take away his dominion, not at once, but by degrees, to consume and to destroy it unto the end.” (Sir Isaac Newton, Observations upon the Prophecies of Daniel and the Apocalypse of St. John, part 1, chap. 8, p. 114. London: J. Darby and T. Browne, 1733)

As you will have seen from the little horn page, no other kingdom or institution matches the little horn like the Papal Church of Rome does.

Characteristics of Babylon the Great

Revelation 17:1 .....'I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters.' ..... A woman in the Bible represents a church (2 Corinthians 11:2). Water in prophecy represents peoples, nations and tongues (Rev. 17:15). So this church has a great number of people in it. The Roman Catholic Church is by far the largest denomination in the world with over 1 Billion members.

Revelation 17:3 .....'So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.' ..... This beast is the sea beast from Revelation 13. So the woman (church) is sat upon (in control of) the beast. The beast is the civil power of the Papacy, and the woman represents the people of the church itself. So the Roman Church is in control of and directing the civil power.

Revelation 17:4 .....'And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour.' ..... The two main colours of the Roman Catholic Church bishops and cardinals are PURPLE AND SCARLET.

Revelation 17:4 .....'and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls.' ..... The Roman Catholic Church is one of the wealthiest institutions in the world. This of course is covered up though.

Revelation 17:6 .....'And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus.' ..... Again we have the persecution of the saints by the hands of the Roman Catholic Church. Please note that the estimate of 50 million Christians slain by the Roman Church is a very conservative one.

Revelation 17:9 .....'The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.' ..... The Vatican is based in Rome. Rome was known as the city of seven hills (mounts).

Revelation 19:18 .....'And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.' ..... There is only one religious institution that reigns over the kings of the earth, and that is the Roman Catholic Church.

The end time antichrist system is the ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH. No other kingdom or institution fits the above characteristics perfectly the way the Roman Catholic Church does. If you are part of this Church then I would lovingly ask you to study the above, find out the truth and come out of her. God is calling His people out, so that they do not share in her sins and punishment.

See who is the antichrist today for more great information and truth about this important subject.

Note about 538AD: The Papal Church gained religious and civil power when Emperor Justinian issued a decree making the Pope head of all churches.

Note about 1798AD: Napoleon's army marched into Rome and captured the Pope, ending the reign of the Papacy.



[Edited on 2/4/2012 by gina]

 

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  posted on 2/3/2012 at 10:13 PM
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Seems odd that a country with that kind of oil reserves needs nuclear power. If the Israelis strike they won't need our help. It won't be a ground war and occupation like we stick our asses into, they'll hit what they want and get out.

If they have genuine intel, it's hard to blame them for striking before it's too late and I don't imagine they would go without it. But we did......so......


Most don't believe that Iran wants nuclear power since they do have huge oil reserves. The thing is people do not realize the war Israel will start will totally destabilize the entire Middle East. Syria is already at war, surrounded by Turkey and Iran. Lebanon will not side with Israel, so they will be involved also, and Jordan too. All Muslim countries being attacked or engaged by non Muslim countries. It will spread and lead to the big war that Russia and China will also get invoved in. I haven't even mentioned that Rome will be attacked (Islamic prophecy by Christians who join together with Muslims to defeat the Jews under bad Israeli leadership). It was all written 3,000 years ago, and it is happening.
(learn what you can now, so that you are prepared when you see these things happen and you know the truth because leaders and governments will lie).

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  posted on 2/3/2012 at 10:24 PM
Charlie is right, there is only a ten year supply of oil remaining. Unless they can extract more from the shale deposits (via fracking). So the stakes are very high. He who comes up with the oil does not freeze to death in the wintertime. There are too many people in the world too little resources, so there will be wars over resources (all different types of resources oil is only one thing. There will be wars over food (famine), climate change causing pestilence.

There will be all kinds of non religious reasons why wars are started. But for those with discernment, they will know the bigger picture. One world currency, one world government, led by who? You know who will seize it.

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  posted on 2/3/2012 at 10:37 PM
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Ah yes, Iran, the next boogey man we must attack. All this talk of cuts to the military is so comical and sad at the same time. When they basically follow the same script as the last time and just start another war in the Middle East. Don't buy it folks. They're screwing us yet again. I mean it's so obvious. The worst part is I'm not sure which is worse, the complex for doing it, yet again, or the we the public for letting them do it (yet again).




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  posted on 2/3/2012 at 10:44 PM
Obama will be re-elected. He will be un-opposed as the Democratic front runner. He's basically a likeable sort, he inherited a country in shambles and people know it takes longer to fix it so he will be re-elected, even though things have not improved enough.

 

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  posted on 2/3/2012 at 11:19 PM
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Seems odd that a country with that kind of oil reserves needs nuclear power.


You do understand that the oil will not last forever. It is considered a finite resource, after all. And one that generates air pollution. Not that nuclear is without its flaws, but it's a resource with greater longevity than oil.


I do, but I don't believe the Iranian leadership is all that concerned about it, nor do I fault the Israelis for being suspicious.

You're preaching to the choir when it comes to oil, pollution, global warming etc. Not that you would have any way of knowing that, I'm just saying. I feel very strongly about these issues and wish the rest of the country would stop denying the implications just because it makes life easier to do so.

 

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