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JFK, Monster
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I knew that John F. Kennedy was a compulsive, even pathological adulterer, given to taking outlandish risks after he entered the White House. I knew he treated women like whores. And I knew he had more than a few issues with his father about toughness and manliness and all that. But before I read in the newspaper that Mimi Alford's just-released memoir, Once Upon A Secret: My Affair With President John F. Kennedy And Its Aftermath, described giving Dave Powers a blow job at JFK's request and in his presence, I didn't know that Kennedy had an appetite for subjecting those close to him to extreme humiliation.

The likelihood that Alford is making this story up is extremely remote. She didn't come forward on her own. She was outed, partially in a 2003 Robert Dallek biography, and then by name by the Daily News, as "JFK's Monica," because when she began her affair she was a White House intern and a 19 year-old rising sophomore at Wheaton College. (In the book Alford reveals that Sally Bedell Smith was actually the first journalist to contact her--by phone, about a year before the Dallek book came out--and that she declined to speak to her then.)

Alford's story is entirely believable. She was an attractive, naive recent graduate of Miss Porter's School. Miss Porter's was also the alma mater of Jacqueline Kennedy and of a slightly older White House secretary named "Fiddle" with whom Kennedy was also having an affair, or so the First Lady believed--there was also a purported dalliance with Fiddle's close friend "Faddle," a secretary in the press office--and it isn't lost on Alford that this descendant of Boston's lace-curtain Irish had a thing for Social Register girls. Her fourth day on the job she was invited upstairs to the private residence. Kennedy led Mimi into his wife's bedroom (the First Lady was away), unbuttoned her blouse, touched her breast, pulled down her underwear, dropped his pants, climbed on top of her, and **** ed her. When she told him she was a virgin he became a bit more compassionate, but neither in that sexual encounter nor in any other did he ever kiss her on the lips.

This part of Alford's story doesn't really add anything to what we already know about Kennedy. Nor does it really change my opinion of the 35th president. But this part does:


Dave Powers was sitting poolside while the President and I swam lazy circles around each other, splashing playfully. Dave had removed his jacket and loosened his tie in the warm air of the pool, but he was otherwise fully clothed. He was sitting on a towel, with his pants leg rolled up, and his bare feet dangling in the water.


The President swam over and whispered in my ear. "Mr. Powers looks a little tense," he said. "Would you take care of it?"


It was a dare, but I knew exactly what he meant. This was a challenge to give Dave Powers oral sex. I don't think the President thought I'd do it, but I'm ashamed to say that I did. It was a pathetic, sordid, scene, and is very hard for me to think about today. Dave was jolly and obedient as I stood in the shallow end of the pool and performed my duties. The President silently watched.

Afterwards, Alford says she was "deeply embarrassed," and as she climbed out of the pool she "could hear Dave speak in as stern a tone as I ever heard him use with his boss. 'You shouldn't have made her do that,' Dave said. 'I know, I know,' I heard the President say. Later, a chastened President Kennedy apologized to us both." Alford believes that Kennedy showed "his darker side ... when we were among men he knew. That's when he felt a need to display his power over me." Kennedy didn't just have a thing for Social Register girls; he had a thing for humiliating Social Register girls. He also had a thing for humiliating his fellow Irishman, Dave Powers.

Maybe Kennedy wasn't this much of a creep all that much (though Alford also tells of him once forcing her to take an amyl nitrite "popper" in Bing Crosby's living room). But the poolside ritual of humiliation is not easy to reconcile with any kind of worldly tolerance for Kennedy's peccadilloes. Perhaps the fairest conclusion to make is that Kennedy did some good things in his public life (and also some bad), but that he was capable of monstrous cruelty that's hard to forgive and also hard to equate even with that of successors like Lyndon Johnson or Richard Nixon (or with any in his less polished younger brother Ted, whose own private life had plenty of dark moments but whose public accomplishment ultimately outshone JFK's). Clinton shared many vices with President Kennedy, but I can't imagine him ever doing anything like this. I don't usually say this about scandal stories, but Alford's tale ought to occasion further reassessment of a president we already knew to be morally compromised.
H/T New Republic




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  posted on 2/10/2012 at 02:33 PM
But what if JFK sought forgiveness from God? Doesn't that wipe the slate clean?

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  posted on 2/10/2012 at 02:37 PM
Power corrupts....I dare say a lot of people in power do things they wouldn't want people to know about. That being said, that particular part bothered me a lot too. Humiliation of another human being isn't a character atribute I ever associated with Kennedy but, sadly, I'm not surprised.

 

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  posted on 2/10/2012 at 02:38 PM
If you do a google search for "Republicans Who Cheated on their Wives,"
you get a lot of interesting results.....

here's one..."The Republican Wife Cheating Hall of Fame"
http://zplonk.tripod.com/cheating_republicans.html

[Edited on 2/10/2012 by woodsdweller]

 

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  posted on 2/10/2012 at 02:53 PM
Something that occurred to me a while ago.....what does it say about Dave Powers that he waited until AFTER before he said anything? As I said, power corrupts.

 

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quote:
If you do a google search for "Republicans Who Cheated on their Wives,"
you get a lot of interesting results.....

here's one..."The Republican Wife Cheating Hall of Fame"
http://zplonk.tripod.com/cheating_republicans.html

[Edited on 2/10/2012 by woodsdweller]


He brought it up as refrence to an indiviual and the legacy he had to alot of folks. It wasn't about JFK's political affiliations. Of course you ALWYS make it a partisan issue.. IMHO, people like you are what makes solving any problems we have as a nation difficult. Somebody can have a brilliant, easy solution to a particular problem, but people like you (regardless of particular party affiliation) dismiss it merely cause it came from the opposing political party.

 

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  posted on 2/10/2012 at 03:05 PM
I bet you hold the opinion that somebody taking a dump would stink more if they were a republican than if they were a democrat

 

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  posted on 2/10/2012 at 03:06 PM
Really? A blowjob 50 years ago is news today?

[Edited on 2/10/2012 by bob1954]

 

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  posted on 2/10/2012 at 03:10 PM
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I bet you hold the opinion that somebody taking a dump would stink more if they were a republican than if they were a democrat

Really? A blowjob 50 years ago is news today?


I could give a rats @$$ about a hummer. I just called somebody on amking anythig/everything under the sun a partisan issue.

 

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If you do a google search for "Republicans Who Cheated on their Wives,"
you get a lot of interesting results.....

here's one..."The Republican Wife Cheating Hall of Fame"
http://zplonk.tripod.com/cheating_republicans.html

[Edited on 2/10/2012 by woodsdweller]


He brought it up as refrence to an indiviual and the legacy he had to alot of folks. It wasn't about JFK's political affiliations. Of course you ALWYS make it a partisan issue.. IMHO, people like you are what makes solving any problems we have as a nation difficult. Somebody can have a brilliant, easy solution to a particular problem, but people like you (regardless of particular party affiliation) dismiss it merely cause it came from the opposing political party.


James.....

What's even more interesting is the fact that when there's any criticism of Democrats
(or any left-wing public figure) in this forum, you're nowhere to be found, but the second
a conservative receives any criticism, you instantly pop out of nowhere with the usual
tired line, "Both parties do it." You'd be taken a little more seriously if you'd apply equal
criticism to both parties, and not just showing up when someone from the Right-wing receives criticism.

Rant over.

 

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  posted on 2/10/2012 at 03:20 PM
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I bet you hold the opinion that somebody taking a dump would stink more if they were a republican than if they were a democrat

Really? A blowjob 50 years ago is news today?


I could give a rats @$$ about a hummer. I just called somebody on amking anythig/everything under the sun a partisan issue.

Sorry...I didn't intend to quote you in my comment. Clicked the wrong button.

Fixed it!

 

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  posted on 2/10/2012 at 03:28 PM
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You'd be taken a little more seriously if you'd apply equal criticism to both parties


Oh, OK Woodsdweller.

LOL..Got to be the funniest post of the day.

 

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  posted on 2/10/2012 at 03:30 PM
Did anyone even read all the way through the link posted? It has a list of democrats too. Or was it just a gut reaction to anything negative about republicans?

 

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  posted on 2/10/2012 at 03:34 PM
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Something that occurred to me a while ago.....what does it say about Dave Powers that he waited until AFTER before he said anything? As I said, power corrupts.
There has to be sin before conviction, right?

 

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Did anyone even read all the way through the link posted? It has a list of democrats too. Or was it just a gut reaction to anything negative about republicans?


Correct, Ann. At the bottom of the GOP Wife Cheaters list (at the link I provided) is a
list of Democrats that cheated on their spouses.....But let's not confuse James, alloak
and Mr. Ramsey.

 

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Did anyone even read all the way through the link posted? It has a list of democrats too. Or was it just a gut reaction to anything negative about republicans?


Correct, Ann. At the bottom of the GOP Wife Cheaters list (at the link I provided) is a
list of Democrats that cheated on their spouses.....But let's not confuse James, alloak
and Mr. Ramsey.


Yeahboy, that site plays it right down the middle!

 

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  posted on 2/10/2012 at 04:17 PM
The womanizing of Brothers Kennedy has been well documented over the years. Sordid details only contribute to the ranks of the already well-known.

People of all types of political persuasions are guilty of a plethora of things, and this particular area of, um, activity, is by far the most...inclusive.

What does this do to JFK's legacy? Whatever anyone wants it to, one might suppose. Perhaps the bigger question is how much of these things matter and to what extent.

JFK was president in an age when reporters didn't report nearly all of what they knew, that's for sure.

The whole "partisan" bit can't be avoided, though. That's going to come up in any discussion of any political figure these days.

 

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  posted on 2/10/2012 at 04:30 PM
I'm not sure this is just about cheating. Most normal people will recoil from the easiness with which JFK could aparently be viciously cruel in how he was willing to humiliate a college intern. Ike with Kay or FDR with Lucy is not comparable.

 

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I'm not sure this is just about cheating. Most normal people will recoil from the easiness with which JFK could aparently be viciously cruel in how he was willing to humiliate a college intern. Ike with Kay or FDR with Lucy is not comparable.


You'd never know what was comparable unless you knew ever single sordid detail in a comparable context about every President.

Disappointing to be sure when placed against JFKs legacy, but I can honestly say I'm not shocked.

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Clinton shared many vices with President Kennedy, but I can't imagine him ever doing anything like this.


So then, putting a cigar...oh, never mind.

 

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  posted on 2/10/2012 at 05:42 PM
Looks like Kennedy was having a permanent "missile crisis" What is it with these guys ? It's just foul.

I tell you though, I would give anything to have a gun that could shoot bullets that could change directions. The guy who invented the weapon that shot JFK really missed a big marketing opportunity there.

 

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  posted on 2/10/2012 at 06:02 PM
We all knew what he was like when he was president. My mother even talked about writing a book at the time and naming it 'I Didn't Sleep with the President.' No big surprise during is presidency...just no details. I don't think that much of him as an upstanding gentleman, but I did and still do think he was the president we needed at that time.

 

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  posted on 2/10/2012 at 06:17 PM
I Guess the [addisons desease] didnt affect the lead in JFK's pencil. saint ronny reagan would have enjoyed the "perks" of being president if he wasnt a senior citizen with dementia.

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  posted on 2/10/2012 at 07:00 PM
If his treatment of a 18-19 year old qualifies as a "perk" in your mind, I'm doubtful we can even communicate on moral questions. The Reagan shot is just kind of pathetic. In other words, in character.

 

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  posted on 2/10/2012 at 07:20 PM
Politicians cheating on their wives. (yaaaawwwwnnn)

Doesn't matter to me unless you are portraying yourself as some sort of icon to fidelity after a few failed marriages or actively repressing others sexuality while practicing it yourself.

 

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If his treatment of a 18-19 year old qualifies as a "perk" in your mind, I'm doubtful we can even communicate on moral questions. The Reagan shot is just kind of pathetic. In other words, in character.
"IF" it even happened. you must believe everything you read, as long as it goes along with your political preference. as far as the reagan shot goes, I wish hinkley had better aim.

 

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