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  posted on 3/11/2012 at 10:52 AM
Let me stipulate that I am among the biggest of Allman Brother fans ,I have been to countless shows since 1998 and was at both the Friday and Saturday shows....for what it is worth the Saturday show was much better than Friday night!...that said,Gregg seems almost listless out there,at times i can barely hear him...either he isnt singing into his microphone or his voice is just not up to the task...in addition,his missing cues and forgetting lyrics has gotten worse and is actually difficult to listen to....as much as i love Greggs voice ,I was happy whenever I saw that Warren was taking lead in a song....i know people will be upset at my even making these comments and most will say,thats the way it is etc but at some point this has to be acknowledged....the band is playing as well as ever and they were fantastic on instrumental tunes ...warren and derrick and oteil and company are at their peak........I am not sure how long the band can carry Greggs obvious situation...again,I recognize his illness and appreciate his talents and who he is and has been to the band etc.....kind of like watching willie mays hitting 200 in his last days as a met i guess!

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  posted on 3/11/2012 at 10:56 AM
The man is sick. We are lucky to be able to see he and the ABB at all.
 

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  posted on 3/11/2012 at 10:57 AM
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  posted on 3/11/2012 at 11:04 AM
I noticed this too and derek seemed to go over to help him remember the cues but he sounded AWESOME during the acoustic set-it may be a hearing issue as well for Gregg

Between years of loud music, partying, Hep C, Liver transplant ....the man is a bit weathered but its still All Good!

Second set last Night was KILLER!

 

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  posted on 3/11/2012 at 11:06 AM
I acknowledged I recognize he is sick,I say I am sympathetic to his plight and I say how much of a fan I am and have been for years and I continue to go to several shows each year they play the beacon etc....i am also being honest about the situation which is blatant and obvious to anyone paying attention.....I am not suggesting that I do not enjoy the shows now...I certainly do...I am just saying that greggs situation has become more noticable and difficult!
 

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  posted on 3/11/2012 at 11:07 AM
Jerry Garcia was sick badly too from 1994-1995 but I still went to shows because it was him. If Gregg's issues cause you to not enjoy it, simply don't go! It will be easier for us who do want to see the band to get tickets.
 

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  posted on 3/11/2012 at 11:09 AM
The thing is....we all already know about it. Many of us stated that he looked frail and sickly at the Tower shows in Philly. The man is never going to be as strong as he once was physically or musically. That is just the reality of it.
 

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  posted on 3/11/2012 at 11:11 AM
I was there last night, this is what I posted in the setlist thread:

"You know, he did (have a rough night). Gregg is my favorite artist, but tonight he seemed tired and a little off all night. Early on, he seemed a half a beat late on each line, then changed the inflection to catch up. Later there were the Dreams and encore situations....that said, the band is firing 100% on every other cylinder and Gregg's performance tonight didn't have anything we haven't seen before, just a little more of it."

I disagree that he didn't sound good...when he sang, his voice was as good as it's been since 2009. Honestly, he struggled, but I think he compensated for the missed cues and timing like a pro. I wouldn't say it's like watching Mays hit 200, it's more like watching David Cone in his last years, doesn't have the A stuff, but he's got enough to get you a win.

Gregg did enough to make this an A show in my opinion. The obvious evidence of that...the coda to One Way Out, Gregg absolutely NAILED it. Baby I just don't know.........he's got it when he needs it.

 

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  posted on 3/11/2012 at 11:13 AM
Gregg definitely has his limitations these days and will have his good days and not so good ones. As long as he enjoys performing and isn't detrimental to the band, that works for me.

 

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  posted on 3/11/2012 at 11:14 AM
What's nice about this thread is that unlike the discussions re: Phila/Boston nobody is jumping up and screaming BASHER when people discuss reality
 

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  posted on 3/11/2012 at 11:19 AM
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What's nice about this thread is that unlike the discussions re: Phila/Boston nobody is jumping up and screaming BASHER when people discuss reality


It's too obvious to ignore, but for me, it does NOT detract from the show and it would have to get a lot worse before I'd want him to hang it up. Regardless of how well he sings, and it's still pretty damn good, these are the songs of his life and his voice fits them in any quality. The day Warren sings Dreams, or almost any other GA song, is the day the day we learn the road doesn't go on forever.

 

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  posted on 3/11/2012 at 11:25 AM
I've seen Gregg a few times in the recent past with his band and he does much much better. I think the sheer volume of the ABB music is overwhelming and the sound system for the guys just can't provide what Gregg needs to be able to hear himself. I am sure there is some kind of fix that can help but it has to be acknowledged and worked on. I think that all things in rehearsal go well but then add the crowd noise and distractions and the sound at the show is a whole nother ball game. Was he better on the acoustic numbers? I would think he would be.
 

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  posted on 3/11/2012 at 11:34 AM
i completely agree that gregg has to sing dreams or whipping post etc for the song to continue to be an allman brother song...and i too continue to enjoy the shows despite greggs obvious issues...that said,there are songs where he literally gets lost and essentially doesnt really even sing the song other than saying yeah a few times ...if it wasnt for the fact that I have heard the songs hundreds of times i myself wouldnt be able to understand or make out the lyrics to any of the songs.....again,i say i am writing this a HUGE fan who walks the walk by spending tons of money to go to several shows and who has pretty much every album they have ever recorded...my post isnt an attack,it is a comment from a REAL fan who loves the music and is distressed to see and hear the decline in greggs skills and abilities...
 

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  posted on 3/11/2012 at 12:06 PM
The Beacon is particularly hard as the set changes nightly as do the guests
 

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  posted on 3/11/2012 at 12:19 PM
I was at the show last night and even met Gregg after the show outside. He was kind enough to sign something for me.

Now I have seen the ABB at the Beacon lots of times over the past six years since I moved to NYC. Last night was Gregg's worst performance I have seen. He missed countless cues. Derek had to walk over at times and either point at him or yell to him that it was his turn to sing. He seemed off on some songs where he was slightly behind the band by a few beats. I know people are not going to be happy about me posting this but unless you were there then please don't flame me.

When I saw Gregg after the show he walked over and signed about 3 autographs for people. I was one of them. He asked my name and he signed it to me. I asked him if they were going to be doing the acoustic sets the whole run and he kind of mumbled and said he wasn't sure yet. Then he handed the signed playbook to the lady next to me accidently and walked off. He just seemed really tired and out of it.

After Gregg drove off even one of the security guys at the Beacon said something to the effect, "man that Hep C is one hell of a disease" meaning Gregg didn't look well.

Now last night's show wasn't a total disaster by any means and I know Gregg was very sick. I am totally sympathetic to that. It's just sad to watch him struggle up there at times.

 

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  posted on 3/11/2012 at 12:31 PM
Call me the minority, but I thought Greg was good last night. Is it possible that all of the naysayers were struggling with sound mix depending on where they were sitting? I was in low center loge, right above the sound board and I thought his voice was good, clear and crisp.

I haven't been to as many shows as most of you (about 20 over the past 7 years), but to me, I see alot of people trying to split an atom here. I appreciate the music and what we have. Peace out.

 

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  posted on 3/11/2012 at 12:34 PM
I was in the second to last row of the loge, on the isle left of center. I didn't have a problem hearing Gregg on most songs. It just seemed like he was off cue on a few numbers or didn't realize he was supposed to even be singing.
 

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  posted on 3/11/2012 at 12:36 PM
Oh also I do have to say that the crowd where I was sitting was really rude and obnoxious. People talking through the whole show. Even really loud through the acoustic numbers. People I went to hear the band not hear you talk about your day. So rude.
 

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  posted on 3/11/2012 at 12:44 PM
i think it is indisputable that greg is just not the same performer anymore...he has good and bad nights but so far this run he has been conspicuously off....and very noticeably so!I remember talking about this same issue in the past and having people say to me...yes he missed his cues and forgets the lyrics but his voice was strong....sadly,now he is missing his cues even more and forgets the lyrics constantly and kind of appears lost out there...AND his voice is weak and hardly audible at times...i was sitting in row C and G in the orchestra friday and saturday btw....fortunately the allman brothers band is a powerhouse instrumental band so they can perform around gregs problems to an extent and obviously warren has taken to assuming more of the lead responsibilities.....that said,if fans went to a U2 or Pearl jam show and either Vedder or Bono were in the shape greg is in would people accept it?....yes i know they are different bands etc ...
 

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  posted on 3/11/2012 at 12:48 PM
i will second the previous person who spoke about the rude constant talking that goes on during the shows as well...i recognize it is rock and roll not jazz or a symphony but it is really obnoxious to have people all around you talking as if they are in their living room without any consideration for others who paid a ton of money to listen to the music....sorry if i am being too negative but rude people at the shows drive me nuts!
 

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  posted on 3/11/2012 at 12:58 PM
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The day Warren sings Dreams, or almost any other GA song


To these ears, it's already too much Warren as it is.....

The Mays reference above brings a tear to my eye, I can remember Willie masquerading as a Met after all of those years as the Giants main man....

 

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  posted on 3/11/2012 at 01:05 PM
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Jerry Garcia was sick badly too from 1994-1995 but I still went to shows because it was him. If Gregg's issues cause you to not enjoy it, simply don't go! It will be easier for us who do want to see the band to get tickets.


I sincerely hope he's in better shape than Garcia was. When I saw the Dead in that time period he looked like he was about to fall down. Sweating like a hog, severely overweight and obviously unhealthy.

 

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  posted on 3/11/2012 at 01:12 PM
don't bash jonbrach for making a general observation. Gregg is not well but he is getting stronger it is sad to watch the demise of our heros like Gregg and dickey...their hearts are into it but the skills are diminishing they love doing what they do and have filled our souls for years..their is a high cost of low living. I personally feel that gregg would be worse off if he decided to not tour anymore so let's enjoy what we can. Their will be nights or moments when those 2 gentlemen will still be brilliant fortunately Gregg has one hell of a band behind him to cover up. Not dickey so much.
 

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  posted on 3/11/2012 at 01:21 PM
Jerry was an addict in those years, Gregg is in recovery. Huge difference. Every case of Hep C is different. We see Phil Lesh with amazing energy, even when it was just 1 year after his transplant. He also has a personal trainer and nutritionist that he diligently works with. I hope Gregg has the same. If not, that's what he needs. You can't really compare Phil to Gregg, because we really don't know the degree to which they have the disease. I just hope Gregg is working hard on his physical strength. He made the comments in a recent interview, that he feels better every day and is going to continue getting better. Lets all pray that is going to be. I only wish the best and many more years ahead for Gregg.
 

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  posted on 3/11/2012 at 01:23 PM
Does Greg use a teleprompter?

 

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