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  posted on 6/14/2012 at 11:21 PM
Last night's show was an absolute disgrace! I would tell you what the set-list was but I couldn't hear it way back in the fifteenth row. A sign language interpreter--like what "Panic" has--might have helped. Govt Mule needs to issue an apology to the fans in attendance and re-evaluate whether or not they will ever play the Raleigh Amphitheater again. Don't even bother with the download unless you want to hear the near riot that broke out with the crowd chanting (more like screaming) "turn it up, turn it up!" The fan were highly saddened and dejected by this as was I, and the lead sound engineer for Mule surely got an earful as folks expressed their dismay in an immodest way. I was at Charlotte and Myrtle Beach prior and they were simply amazing, but I'm so glad that my date canceled last night because I would not have known how to deal with such embarrassment.

 

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  posted on 6/15/2012 at 07:12 AM
Wow, sorry you had such a bad experience. I was 3rd row where it sounded fine. I do know of one friend sitting back a bit who had talkers around her. I was 16 rows back in Charlotte and you're right, it did sound great there.
 

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  posted on 6/15/2012 at 08:48 AM
Well apparently there is an existing city ordnance in effect on decibel levels. Someone should tell that the the train conductors who would sound their horns while passing through that area in downtown Raleigh. Perhaps they should build a roof and some sound walls in order to mitigate the decibel level and cover the fans if it rains.

 

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  posted on 6/15/2012 at 01:39 PM
I'm visiting relatives down here, my brother and I were in row x. I did notice the music wasn't as loud, just figured it was an open air show and there was buildings all around the amplitheatre. However I heard every note and could understand every word from Warren. The real shame was the lack of people at the show. 40 bucks to see the mule, I wish that was the beacon price. Nice show, heard the train during john the revelator, hope its on mule trax.

 

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  posted on 6/15/2012 at 01:54 PM
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I'm visiting relatives down here, my brother and I were in row x. I did notice the music wasn't as loud, just figured it was an open air show and there was buildings all around the amplitheatre. However I heard every note and could understand every word from Warren. The real shame was the lack of people at the show. 40 bucks to see the mule, I wish that was the beacon price. Nice show, heard the train during john the revelator, hope its on mule trax.



40 bucks for Gov't Mule tickets and a show that doesn't sell out = terrible music city IMO!!!

 

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  posted on 6/15/2012 at 04:35 PM
I have to give the fans in NC credit, the ones that attended knew there sh#t and were very nice to talk music with. Dr John was a pleasant surprise.

 

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  posted on 6/15/2012 at 05:48 PM
Sorry about that Scotty. Mule is definitely a band best appreciated LOUD

We have similar issues with Chastain Park here in Atlanta. It is in the middle of a very ritzy residential neighborhood, and they keep the sound a few decibels lower than I like it.

I'm sure the homeowners in the area feel differently, but if I can hear the person next to me talking louder than the music, something is wrong with the equation.

 
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  posted on 6/16/2012 at 12:35 AM
Yeah that place is my least favorite venue around that area, Raleigh just kind of blows in general IMO, unless at the Lincoln Theatre. I was back in row EE and didn't have too much trouble hearing. I don't know if I'd call it a near riot, but we certainly made it known that we wanted some more juice. I'm sorry you had trouble hearing maybe you were just surrounded by some louder more obnoxious folks than I was, which is always incredibly frustrating. Nothing I hate more than spending $35 to hear girls bitch about their ex's and be surrounded by drunk frat boys trying to get laid. Although it was no where near as loud as I prefer my Mule, once I figured that it wasn't getting any louder I tried to adjust and enjoy myself. For the most part the people around me were very nice and respected the people around them, maybe I'm just desensitized to the BS Raleigh noise ordinances but even considering the low volume, I had a good time.
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Brokedown on the Brazos
Larger Than Life
Thorazine
Opium.. First time played according to mule.net. Not sure how I feel about a Moe cover, but I've come to expect the unexpected with WH
No Need to Suffer
Painted Silver Light
Birth of The Mule
Feel Like Breaking up Somebody's Home. With some very tasty solos from members of the Lower 911.
John the Revelator. Same guys and gal from the Lower 911 sitting in.
Streamline Woman
Bad Little Doggie>Endless Parade
Effigy complete with Hey Joe tease>effigy> drum solo>Folsom Prison jam> Effigy sandwich
Soulshine
Encore: Working Class Hero. I like this as an encore but I was really expecting another one. It was about 20 til 11 when they wrapped up that was my only real gripe about the show along with the low levels.







 

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  posted on 6/16/2012 at 01:18 AM
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Don't even bother with the download


Why would that be the case? Volume has NOTHING to do with the quality of either Mule Tracks or most quality audience recordings.

The show WAS recorded and the taper promised to have it up on btetree very soon. And he said nothing about the sound being substandard. Maybe he was in a different location. Perhaps the cancellation of your date had something to do with your (lack of) enjoyment of the show....

Sorry you didn't enjoy it - at least you got to go. I would have liked to but couldn't afford it.

The setlist looked awesome - better than either CLT or MB, IMHO - and I for one am looking forward to hearing it.

 

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  posted on 6/16/2012 at 01:34 AM
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40 bucks for Gov't Mule tickets and a show that doesn't sell out = terrible music city IMO!!!


Raleigh is NOT a terrible music city, with all due respect. Why don't you New Yorkers actually TRAVEL outside of NYC for once and see the ABB down here at Walnut Creek? It is the ONLY venue they have played EVERY YEAR since they reformed in '89. And it is almost always a sellout.

Not everyone has the cash to see the shows they want to anymore. I used to average at least 10 ABB shows a year,and sometimes hit as many as 15-20, including the Beacon some years, as well as Chicago, Milwaukee, Pittsburgh, Atlanta (The Fox), the Carolinas, SF once, and many other cities. I no longer can afford to do that. If it wasn't for a good friend by the name of Deck I wouldn't be able to see the ABB THIS year. 3 years of unemployment will do that to you. But go ahead and make your snarky comments and look down your noses about "sh!tty music towns", i.e. any city that ISN'T New York.

You might want to rethink comments like the one above. It really comes off as smug and condescending - and those in the know KNOW that the ABB consider Raleigh to be just as important to them as NYC is. Outside of New York City unemployment is very high in many areas of the US and it's been over 10% in NC for years, MUCH higher than the national average.

And BTW, Warren is from NC, you know.

 

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  posted on 6/16/2012 at 06:47 AM
Raleigh is my old stomping ground and I've been to more concerts there than anywhere else. Walnut Creek is still one of the nicest Amphitheatres in the country. Also I loved seeing Mule, Derek and Sussie at the Center for the Arts. Clapton a the Civic Center and Dean dome has always been a treat. Tinsley Ellis at the Berkeley Cafe was very intimate. And then there is always the Lincoln Theatre. Raleigh is a great music city and I love going there. I was very disappointed at the new Amphitheatre and I hope that they can do something to improve the quality of the sound, but in all honesty I would rather see Mule someplace else in that city. I have also posted my displeasure about The Brothers playing with Skynyrd at Walnut Creek this year.

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  posted on 6/16/2012 at 09:10 AM
I agree on the sound level. Mule and the Black Crowes in summer 2010 were both much louder, I guess a decibel level ordinance has been put in since then. The show was okay, Working Class Hero as an encore was pretty much a let down given how quiet the evening was from a sound perspective. And the ABB/Skynyrd show is a Walnut Creek, not Downtown Amphitheatre, so there should be plenty of juice.
 

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  posted on 6/16/2012 at 02:42 PM
"see the ABB down here at Walnut Creek? It is the ONLY venue they have played EVERY YEAR since they reformed in '89."

That was the case for years, brofan, but they haven't played at Walnut Creeek since 2009.

2010 and 2011 were VERY light years for the ABB, and even their most reliable stops have been skipped a lot over the past few years.

The 2012 Summer Tour for the ABB is fairly modest, only 14 shows, but that is the longest continuous run of shows the band has done since 2009. They are hitting a lot of places, like Walnut Creek and Atlanta, that they haven't been in a while.

 
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  posted on 6/16/2012 at 02:59 PM
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40 bucks for Gov't Mule tickets and a show that doesn't sell out = terrible music city IMO!!!


Raleigh is NOT a terrible music city, with all due respect. Why don't you New Yorkers actually TRAVEL outside of NYC for once and see the ABB down here at Walnut Creek? It is the ONLY venue they have played EVERY YEAR since they reformed in '89. And it is almost always a sellout.

Not everyone has the cash to see the shows they want to anymore. I used to average at least 10 ABB shows a year,and sometimes hit as many as 15-20, including the Beacon some years, as well as Chicago, Milwaukee, Pittsburgh, Atlanta (The Fox), the Carolinas, SF once, and many other cities. I no longer can afford to do that. If it wasn't for a good friend by the name of Deck I wouldn't be able to see the ABB THIS year. 3 years of unemployment will do that to you. But go ahead and make your snarky comments and look down your noses about "sh!tty music towns", i.e. any city that ISN'T New York.

You might want to rethink comments like the one above. It really comes off as smug and condescending - and those in the know KNOW that the ABB consider Raleigh to be just as important to them as NYC is. Outside of New York City unemployment is very high in many areas of the US and it's been over 10% in NC for years, MUCH higher than the national average.

And BTW, Warren is from NC, you know.



This NYer has had to cut back on going to shows for years now but $40.00 to see Gov't Mule is like stealing. For that not to sell out is just crazy IMO. Tickets are double that for the Beacon and they sell out every time and I am quite sure that the ABB costs far more to see up here than down there and they can still sell out a 15 show run at the Beacon. I have had to cut back to one Beacon show a year after attending three to four a year in previos times.

 

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  posted on 6/16/2012 at 03:01 PM
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I know that and that only compounds my feelings!!! He is from their and the tickets are at a steal of a price and they still don't sell out??? Mind boggling!!!

 

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Never saw anywhere where I said that!!! We are talking about 40 bucks for Mule in North Carolina. I am quite sure it is a good city in other ways and Christmas Jam always seems to sell out but that is probably from fans who travel from abroad. Don't take it so personally and I am sorry about your job status. This NYer though just finds it crazy that when such a great artist in his home town with such unreal crazy low ticket prices. You think us NYers look down and snub you but that isn't the case. We are just puzzled because the prices are double or more up here for the Mule and they still sell out the shows.

 

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  posted on 6/16/2012 at 03:20 PM
in NC $40 isn't a "steal" to see Govt Mule (think cost of living, all that **** ) - it's exactly half what the ABB shows cost. fwiw.

 

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  posted on 6/16/2012 at 04:57 PM
$40in NYC is a cheesee burger.

Without fries

 

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  posted on 6/16/2012 at 05:36 PM
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$40in NYC is a cheesee burger.

Without fries


Haha!

 

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  posted on 6/16/2012 at 05:59 PM
Maybe that stupid volume ordinance is what keeps people away from the venue regardless of price??? I know that if I found out about an ordinance like that and heard that the volume wasn't high enough there I would probably take a pass! Pretty stupid of the city IMO to build an outdoor amphitheater in the middle of the city that is populated and have to have a volume ordinance.

 

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  posted on 6/16/2012 at 07:32 PM
The fact that Gov't Mule didn't sell out the Raleigh show is indicitive of nothing. As much as some us love everything that Warren does the fact is Gov't Mule rarely sell out the shows they do. I've been to 5 or 6 Mule NYE eve shows and the last one was the only one that you couldn't get tickets at the box office the day of the show. The Warren Haynes Band only sold out 3 shows last year. If you need any proof of that all you have to do is watch the Live At Moody Theatre DVD, every time that you see a shot of the balcony all you can see is empty seats and it was well announced that they would be filming the show for the DVD.

As to the original post, how did you end up with such lousy seats? I snoozed on the Charlotte pre-sale and I got 7th row 2 hours later.

 

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