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  posted on 6/18/2012 at 09:23 PM
The tight spender and economic pivot meister is asking voters for more patience...

http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/233127-obamas-plea-patience

 
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  posted on 6/18/2012 at 10:12 PM
It took eight years to dig the hole...I can see that it might take four more years to try to fill it in.

 

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  posted on 6/19/2012 at 12:54 AM
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It took eight years to dig the hole...I can see that it might take four more years to try to fill it in.
You really think that the housing crisis, the subprime mortgage mess, the CDO debacle, derivatives, double-digit trillions in debt, the deep decline of our industrial manufacturing, under-funded social entitlements - all of it - happened during the eight years of the Bush administration?

I guess it would take that sort of basis to believe anything the current WH occupant has to say about matters economic.



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  posted on 6/19/2012 at 02:01 AM
I'm not saying Obama has made all the right moves but there's no way anyone can say that this mess didn't start under the Bush administration. Well, someone can say it, but it wouldn't be true.

 

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  posted on 6/19/2012 at 06:29 AM
Starting 2 wars and keeping the costs off the books then passing an unfunded prescription drug program while giving a tax cut to the wealthiest was all Obama's fault.

 

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  posted on 6/19/2012 at 09:22 AM
I was watching MSNBC the other day and Joe Scarborough asked one of the Democratic pundits on the desk if blaming Bush this time around would work. She said, "uh, yeah, I hope so." She did not seem very confident that it would be a winning strategy.

According to James Carville:

"These voters are not convinced that we are headed in the right direction... the current narrative about progress just misses the opportunity to connect and point forward."


 

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  posted on 6/19/2012 at 09:25 AM
When Obama starts placing the blame here, there, and everywhere it's just an admission that he doesn't have the skills and talent to do anything about it. Yet he wants you to believe this will change if he gets a second term?
 

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When Obama starts placing the blame here, there, and everywhere it's just an admission that he doesn't have the skills and talent to do anything about it. Yet he wants you to believe this will change if he gets a second term?



He should focus on what he believes to be his greatest accomplishments. So he should focus on healthcare; he should focus on bringing the economy back from disaster, etc. However, none of this is being conveyed.

Yes, Obama inhereted a shtshow, and he bought his ticket to the ride and he knew the ride he was getting on. Yet he still points the finger at the guy before him. I think that shows poor leadership. Sorry, you are the one that took the job.

Can you imagine if you started a new job, and the guy before you really messed stuff up, but after even a year, you were still telling your boss, "but the guy before me really fcked it up."

 

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  posted on 6/19/2012 at 10:04 AM
At least we know that if Romney wins, the Left will be patient and give him eight years to get things turned around because Bush screwed it up so bad. They think Obama should get eight years to get it done, so....
 

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Yes, Obama inhereted a shtshow, and he bought his ticket to the ride and he knew the ride he was getting on. Yet he still points the finger at the guy before him. I think that shows poor leadership. Sorry, you are the one that took the job.


But we constantly hear about the things that Clinton did wrong, people still bag on Carter, assail JFK's legacy, I've read countless words written by conservative intellectuals that place the blame of today's society on FDR. This is all acceptable?

The Republican Candidate for President is blaming everything wrong with everything on Obama. Fine, it's a campaign. What are his plans? Let's say he wins and repeals Obamacare on Day One. What's the replacement? He rails on the concept of higher taxes for the top earners, but is also on record saying that he can't cut spending in a recession because that reduces GDP. Can I then conclude that Romney is going to want to cut taxes more but not cut spending? Isn't that EXACTLY what the President Who Shall Not Be Named did in the first place? Furthermore, wasn't He Who Did Not Exist a Republican? Therefore, is it not legitimate to question the intentions of those very same people if they get the top chair again?

Leadership applies to those who choose to be led. Obama wasn't even a legitimate American, let alone a candidate to a whole hell of a lot of people. Congress is locked to the point of uselessness. There's nothing wrong with voting against a policy for disagreements sake. However, when you vote down routine appointments and routine matters of business, then it becomes clear to a first grader that your intention is to bring things to a halt and then blame the other guy for it.

Conversely, yes, there were a ton of people who would not accept He Who Never Even Lived as a legit leader ever, either.

I'm sorry, but the whole "he shows poor leadership" thing coming from people who had no intention of supporting whoever he is in the first place is pure comedy gold.

Right hates Left. Left hates Right. Here we are. Oh, and if Romney does win, I'm sure not one person even remotely on the Right will say anything like "We are still fixing Obama's mess." Yeah. Sure. OK.

I've done a ton of reflection on how I look at politics lately. One conclusion I've come to is that I believe that we (myself 100% included) place way too much attention on focus on what Presidents do or don't do (and, most importantly, what they can or cannot actually do), and don't pay near enough attention to Congress and the people that work in Washington for years no matter who the President is.

 

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  posted on 6/19/2012 at 10:12 AM
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At least we know that if Romney wins, the Left will be patient and give him eight years to get things turned around because Bush screwed it up so bad. They think Obama should get eight years to get it done, so....


How long should it take?

 

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  posted on 6/19/2012 at 10:26 AM
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The Republican Candidate for President is blaming everything wrong with everything on Obama. Fine, it's a campaign. What are his plans?
Like it or not (I don't), this is going to be a mudfest, pure and simple. Neither guy is very strong. In fact, we're setting a new low for "is that the best you got". But that's where we are.

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I've done a ton of reflection on how I look at politics lately. One conclusion I've come to is that I believe that we (myself 100% included) place way too much attention on focus on what Presidents do or don't do (and, most importantly, what they can or cannot actually do), and don't pay near enough attention to Congress and the people that work in Washington for years no matter who the President is.
While I agree, I think the problem is deeper - and one few will want to face up to.

Some of our Founders noted that the new govt was designed for people of good morals, ethics, and behaviors. I've often said that in any freely elected govt, the outcomes are a direct reflection of the people doing the voting. I see no govt solution to our challenges coming from people who don't want to know, don't care to know, and don't have high moral and ethical values. Democracies are merely a reflection of the people. They are many good people here and throughout the country, but apparently not enough want to deal honestly with our political problems.

 

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  posted on 6/19/2012 at 10:36 AM
So our Prez can pretty much rewrite immigration laws to his liking by executive order but has his hands tied behind his back witlh all things having to do with the economy, healthcare, unemployment, and energy, spending, and deficits. Okay. Got it.



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So our Prez can pretty much rewrite immigration laws to his liking by executive order but has his hands tied behind his back witlh all things having to do with the economy, healthcare, unemployment, and energy, spending, and deficits. Okay. Got it.



What laws did he rewrite?

 

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Yes, Obama inhereted a shtshow, and he bought his ticket to the ride and he knew the ride he was getting on. Yet he still points the finger at the guy before him. I think that shows poor leadership. Sorry, you are the one that took the job.


But we constantly hear about the things that Clinton did wrong, people still bag on Carter, assail JFK's legacy, I've read countless words written by conservative intellectuals that place the blame of today's society on FDR. This is all acceptable?

The Republican Candidate for President is blaming everything wrong with everything on Obama. Fine, it's a campaign. What are his plans? Let's say he wins and repeals Obamacare on Day One. What's the replacement? He rails on the concept of higher taxes for the top earners, but is also on record saying that he can't cut spending in a recession because that reduces GDP. Can I then conclude that Romney is going to want to cut taxes more but not cut spending? Isn't that EXACTLY what the President Who Shall Not Be Named did in the first place? Furthermore, wasn't He Who Did Not Exist a Republican? Therefore, is it not legitimate to question the intentions of those very same people if they get the top chair again?

Leadership applies to those who choose to be led. Obama wasn't even a legitimate American, let alone a candidate to a whole hell of a lot of people. Congress is locked to the point of uselessness. There's nothing wrong with voting against a policy for disagreements sake. However, when you vote down routine appointments and routine matters of business, then it becomes clear to a first grader that your intention is to bring things to a halt and then blame the other guy for it.

Conversely, yes, there were a ton of people who would not accept He Who Never Even Lived as a legit leader ever, either.

I'm sorry, but the whole "he shows poor leadership" thing coming from people who had no intention of supporting whoever he is in the first place is pure comedy gold.

Right hates Left. Left hates Right. Here we are. Oh, and if Romney does win, I'm sure not one person even remotely on the Right will say anything like "We are still fixing Obama's mess." Yeah. Sure. OK.

I've done a ton of reflection on how I look at politics lately. One conclusion I've come to is that I believe that we (myself 100% included) place way too much attention on focus on what Presidents do or don't do (and, most importantly, what they can or cannot actually do), and don't pay near enough attention to Congress and the people that work in Washington for years no matter who the President is.


Couldn't agree more, Bhawk.

 

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So our Prez can pretty much rewrite immigration laws to his liking by executive order but has his hands tied behind his back witlh all things having to do with the economy, healthcare, unemployment, and energy, spending, and deficits. Okay. Got it.



What laws did he rewrite?



A decree to not prosecute a group of law breakers sounds an awful lot like rewriting an exisitng law.

 

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So our Prez can pretty much rewrite immigration laws to his liking by executive order but has his hands tied behind his back witlh all things having to do with the economy, healthcare, unemployment, and energy, spending, and deficits. Okay. Got it.



What laws did he rewrite?



A decree to not prosecute a group of law breakers sounds an awful lot like rewriting an exisitng law.


Actually, all the Executive Order did was restate a policy that has been in existence since 2003.

When the DHS was established, it gave the power of "deferred actions" (bureaucrat speak for delayed deportations) to individuals on a case-by-case basis meeting a very specific set of criteria. The EO merely restates that existing policy. The DHS and INS already have the power of deferred deportations. As a matter of fact, under that policy, people under a deferred action can even work in the meantime. The EO is a political tool.

 

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So our Prez can pretty much rewrite immigration laws to his liking by executive order but has his hands tied behind his back witlh all things having to do with the economy, healthcare, unemployment, and energy, spending, and deficits. Okay. Got it.
What laws did he rewrite?
A decree to not prosecute a group of law breakers sounds an awful lot like rewriting an existing law.
At a minimum, he took an oath to uphold the laws of the land. It's not that I anticipate many leaders will uphold that oath, given how low we've fallen with political expectations. But rarely is it done is so obvious a fashion, for such obviously political reasons, and in such contradiction to his many previous statements.

 

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  posted on 6/19/2012 at 11:32 AM
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It took eight years to dig the hole...I can see that it might take four more years to try to fill it in.


Great talking point. Yes on the first day of the Bush administration the hole began. It began to be filled in on the first day of the Obama administration and is now halfway filled. Four more years and we will be right back to where we were during the golden years of Clinton. Sure.

 

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Oh, and if Romney does win, I'm sure not one person even remotely on the Right will say anything like "We are still fixing Obama's mess." Yeah. Sure. OK.


If Romney spends four years doing it I'll be both surprised and disappointed. I doubt he will employ that leadership style, but who knows.

 

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  posted on 6/19/2012 at 11:44 AM
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It took eight years to dig the hole...I can see that it might take four more years to try to fill it in.


Great talking point. Yes on the first day of the Bush administration the hole began. It began to be filled in on the first day of the Obama administration and is now halfway filled. Four more years and we will be right back to where we were during the golden years of Clinton. Sure.


Funny how the economy didn't start to falter until 2007, when nutty Nancy and the Democrats regained control of the House. If 2000-2006 was a "hole" we need a damn backhoe.

 

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So our Prez can pretty much rewrite immigration laws to his liking by executive order but has his hands tied behind his back witlh all things having to do with the economy, healthcare, unemployment, and energy, spending, and deficits. Okay. Got it.
What laws did he rewrite?
A decree to not prosecute a group of law breakers sounds an awful lot like rewriting an existing law.
At a minimum, he took an oath to uphold the laws of the land. It's not that I anticipate many leaders will uphold that oath, given how low we've fallen with political expectations. But rarely is it done is so obvious a fashion, for such obviously political reasons, and in such contradiction to his many previous statements.


Huh? Obama has deported FAR more illegal immigrants than any president in history, by a WIDE margin. Look it up.

 

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It took eight years to dig the hole...I can see that it might take four more years to try to fill it in.


Great talking point. Yes on the first day of the Bush administration the hole began. It began to be filled in on the first day of the Obama administration and is now halfway filled. Four more years and we will be right back to where we were during the golden years of Clinton. Sure.


Funny how the economy didn't start to falter until 2007, when nutty Nancy and the Democrats regained control of the House. If 2000-2006 was a "hole" we need a damn backhoe.


Right. And the bailouts occurred during the Obama Adminstration.

 

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  posted on 6/19/2012 at 09:18 PM
Bush will get the blame he deserves for where him and his administration left us from here to eternity regardless of who is President from here on out. History can't be changed no matter how much the right wish they could wipe out 2000-2008. The damage will be felt for decades or longer.

 

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So our Prez can pretty much rewrite immigration laws to his liking by executive order but has his hands tied behind his back witlh all things having to do with the economy, healthcare, unemployment, and energy, spending, and deficits. Okay. Got it.
What laws did he rewrite?
A decree to not prosecute a group of law breakers sounds an awful lot like rewriting an existing law.
At a minimum, he took an oath to uphold the laws of the land. It's not that I anticipate many leaders will uphold that oath, given how low we've fallen with political expectations. But rarely is it done is so obvious a fashion, for such obviously political reasons, and in such contradiction to his many previous statements.
Huh? Obama has deported FAR more illegal immigrants than any president in history, by a WIDE margin. Look it up.
So because he followed the law previously as his oath states he must, he now gets to ignore it as reelection comes around? Interesting logic.

 

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