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  posted on 6/21/2012 at 01:49 AM
So does Wolfgang and Alex!!! This is incredible!!! What a shame that Roth doesn't have the chops to sing great VH songs like this anymore.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Le1l25dOvzY

 

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  posted on 6/21/2012 at 01:57 AM
Most of their shows from this tour are up on DIME....including a few full show DVDs.

 

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  posted on 6/21/2012 at 05:31 AM
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  posted on 6/21/2012 at 06:06 AM



 

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  posted on 6/21/2012 at 06:43 AM
I did not even hear Roths vocals in the mix . I heard maybe Wolfgangs backups, so it's hard to mak e a judgement on that.

 

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  posted on 6/21/2012 at 08:41 AM
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I did not even hear Roths vocals in the mix . I heard maybe Wolfgangs backups, so it's hard to mak e a judgement on that.


That's because he's not there.
From what I've read DLR has been pretty much absent from any pre-concert soundchecks on this tour.
But obviously the Van Halen fellas are locked in, sounding great, and its nice to see that fans/critics are not on Wolf as much as they were on his initial outing.
Love "Light Up The Sky", thanks for sharing that.

 

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  posted on 6/21/2012 at 08:55 AM
Here's a recent short (4 min), but pretty interesting joint interview w/ Eddie and Wolfgang.
Its easy to see the admiration and affection that the two have for each other.
Who knew Eddie was a big Peter Gabriel fan? (Wolf touts AC/DC)

http://blog.newsok.com/bamsblog/2012/06/20/wednesday-video-spotlight-eddie- van-halen-talks-about-van-halens-postponed-tour-dates-son-wolfgangs-bass-pl aying/

 

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  posted on 6/21/2012 at 09:50 AM
VH uses so many sampled vocals that it wouldn't matter who sang what anyway.

The shows that I saw were funny from that standpoint. Wolfie gets full marks for being the only one to know when he should be in front of a mic. Eddie would be 10 feeet away and there are 3+ voices doing backup. I'll Wait has so many sampled voices that it sounds like a choir.

But it's all fun and the band was kicking. Except for again the sampled bass part in Running With The Devil. was painful on my ears. Just let Wolfie play it.

Besides that the band was great except for Dave.

Tour cut short from low sales and Dave having a progressive harder time. Hope they don't let it all fall apart again.

 

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  posted on 6/21/2012 at 11:11 AM
Seen the show in Buffalo from this tour,was lacking a little.Ok but not the powerhouse of days gone by.Latest rumor is the tour scaled back because they are front runners for the Superbowl show?might be good.
 

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  posted on 6/21/2012 at 12:58 PM
Maybe it's nostalgia from my childhood speaking here, but I absolutely loved the show I saw in CT. Yes, David Lee Roth doesn't sing as well as he did, but the vibe those guys put out was amazing. They had me doing high leg kicks in the seats. I hope they get back out there again soon because I'd see them again! Woo!
 

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  posted on 6/21/2012 at 02:11 PM
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VH uses so many sampled vocals that it wouldn't matter who sang what anyway.

The shows that I saw were funny from that standpoint. Wolfie gets full marks for being the only one to know when he should be in front of a mic. Eddie would be 10 feeet away and there are 3+ voices doing backup. I'll Wait has so many sampled voices that it sounds like a choir.

But it's all fun and the band was kicking. Except for again the sampled bass part in Running With The Devil. was painful on my ears. Just let Wolfie play it.

Besides that the band was great except for Dave.

Tour cut short from low sales and Dave having a progressive harder time. Hope they don't let it all fall apart again.


I have seen tons of footage and I don't buy that Wolfie isn't playing all of the bass parts and singing the backing vocals, excellently I will add. I don't know what inside info you think you have but I think the kid has you fooled. Just listen to that sound check. That is OBVIOUSLY all them and Wolfie friggin' cooks on bass and vocals as he does in all of the other songs I have seen. You would have to show me proof of your accusations before I would buy them.

Roth and his ego and sub par voice are the only thing that holds this band back but the hard core fans love Roth so much they don't care. I thought Roth was OK at the beginning of the latest tour but as they have gone along not only has his voice gotten weaker, but he has also started doing that stupid talk the words and blab out indistinguishable rubbish and not singing the songs the way they should be sung.

 

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  posted on 6/21/2012 at 02:21 PM
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Tour cut short from low sales



I've heard a million different reasons for the tour being cut short, but you are the only one I have seen who has said it was due to low sales.

 

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  posted on 6/21/2012 at 02:33 PM
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Tour cut short from low sales



I've heard a million different reasons for the tour being cut short, but you are the only one I have seen who has said it was due to low sales.



Considering how the second leg dates were announced, then almost immediately postponed/cancelled, I don't know how it could be ticket sales when only 3 or 4 dates actually went on sale for the 2nd leg.

They might not be selling out every single arena, but from what I have been reading and following along with since Feb, they are doing good business.

Now the album sales, are about on par with the industry these days which is barely a
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  posted on 6/21/2012 at 04:16 PM
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VH uses so many sampled vocals that it wouldn't matter who sang what anyway.

The shows that I saw were funny from that standpoint. Wolfie gets full marks for being the only one to know when he should be in front of a mic. Eddie would be 10 feeet away and there are 3+ voices doing backup. I'll Wait has so many sampled voices that it sounds like a choir.

But it's all fun and the band was kicking. Except for again the sampled bass part in Running With The Devil. was painful on my ears. Just let Wolfie play it.

Besides that the band was great except for Dave.

Tour cut short from low sales and Dave having a progressive harder time. Hope they don't let it all fall apart again.


I have seen tons of footage and I don't buy that Wolfie isn't playing all of the bass parts and singing the backing vocals, excellently I will add. I don't know what inside info you think you have but I think the kid has you fooled. Just listen to that sound check. That is OBVIOUSLY all them and Wolfie friggin' cooks on bass and vocals as he does in all of the other songs I have seen. You would have to show me proof of your accusations before I would buy them.

Roth and his ego and sub par voice are the only thing that holds this band back but the hard core fans love Roth so much they don't care. I thought Roth was OK at the beginning of the latest tour but as they have gone along not only has his voice gotten weaker, but he has also started doing that stupid talk the words and blab out indistinguishable rubbish and not singing the songs the way they should be sung.


Wow so aggressive. LMAO! You guys need a vacation. I don't need to accuse anyone first off. I have never said Wolfie can't play and/or sing. In fact, I have supported the kid.

The only recorded bass part to my knowledge is the low note repeated through "Running" which the band is NOT trying to hide. Probablt think it sounds cool and has more balls. Has my balls as it was shaking the foundation of the buildings and rattling my teeth. Need proof just go to a show and watch/listen. Wolfie adds his part to the sampled one and tries to hide nothing. No CRIME committed.

As for the backing vocals, it is them singing to a recording of themselves. Very standard in the industry. Need proof? Count how many voices you hear and then count the number of people singing. EVH misses his cues all the time. Wolfie sings and 5 voices ring out. If you went to any show and didn't notice that then you just were not paying attention to that. Again they do not try to hide the sampled bass/vocals or keyboard parts. I am bashing no one and in fact would take Wolfie over Michael Anthony any day. But no one has me fooled but they are obviously able to pull the wool right over your eyes rather well.

As for the sales, it is fact and you guys believe what you want. How many people do you know that work for them? They have lost a ton of cash over this and the press coverage has been all negative from it with all sorts of speculation. You guys believe that they lost the cash, momentum and put up with all the press crap because they "were tired". Think about that for a minute.

VH has been demanding big dollars and guarentees. They are not selling like a 15000- 20000 person headliner. But are moving just over 60% of ticket sales in most markets. To continue, they will have to drop the asking price and accept lower status and smaller venues. This also causes internal issues and blame which is where Dave's abilities come in and the honest truth is that as the tour progresses, Dave is getting worse.

Not sure why you think I would 'make" stuff up but believe what you will.

I wasn't off on any other thing that I have ever posted about VH over the years. Nor was i wrong about a single thing dealing with the Mule/and or Warren which clearly explains some peoples' aggression.

So you guys believe that they coughed up millions because they were tired?

 

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  posted on 6/22/2012 at 12:07 AM
I saw them back in February in Indy good crowd I'd say easily 12,000 people and probably a bit more than that.
It was so much better than the show I saw in 2007.
Eddie was on fire the whole night And Dave sounded good they really seemed to be hitting on all cylinders.
I really never heard any kind of prerecorded vocals or anything like that at all.
I was 10th row and I know a couple of times Eddie didn't get back to the mic in time and you could definently hear his voice come in when he got up to the mic.

As far as the tour being cancelled I was surprised they added the extra dates but was excited at the time to get the chance to see them again as with VH you never know...

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  posted on 6/22/2012 at 06:47 AM
CM, wasn't trying to rag on you or nothing

just wondering if I should cancel the tix I got for the Philly show they announced
then "postponed"

 

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  posted on 6/22/2012 at 07:12 AM
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CM, wasn't trying to rag on you or nothing

just wondering if I should cancel the tix I got for the Philly show they announced
then "postponed"




Never took it that way and would be cool even if you did.

Asked about your show and haven't heard back but the likely scene is that most if not all will be cancelled. Depends on some negotiations and scheduling for some shows.

Sadly just as Gregg did, when they start out again they may book new cities and skip those. can really piss you off if you have good tickets. Gregg's camp never said a word to explain it and I bet VH tries the same.

How do VH try to cover? Put out a Wolfie/dad interview that skips all the difficult questions and attempts to get peoples' minds off topic. Talk about scripted and timely. That is what PR people do.

Curious - 12000 in Indy. How many people does it hold? The money they have been asking/getting is for top artists that would be selling the place out. Promoters need 80- 90% capacity on a 18000 seat arena to make some profit at those asking prices. To cover VH's guarentee in a 12000 building the tickets would be $250+. So the show that you caught was likely a break even on tickets for the promoter.

 

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  posted on 6/22/2012 at 07:28 AM
Ok, thanks.

Guess I'll start to look into getting a refund

 

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  posted on 6/22/2012 at 07:58 AM
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Ok, thanks.

Guess I'll start to look into getting a refund




If they are good seats then I would hold on as you never know what will happen in those markets. The shows won't likely happen when they were supposed to but some/all could still happen.

We had awesome tickets for Gregg in an excellent sounding venue in Montreal. Held on to them for so long without any sort of announcement. Why? Because Gregg's team kept everyone (promoter) in the dark till finally they just said screw it and cancelled the show. Gregg cancels shows and then books others over the same time frame. Guess he wasn't too sick to play during that period. Whole different topic there though.

If the tickets are good then hold on for a bit.

 

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  posted on 6/22/2012 at 01:23 PM
Pre-recorded vox makes sense on the other songs that they pipe-in pre-recorded music for, like all the keyboard songs. Otherwise, I was thinking they were using a voice auto tuner. There are lots of vids on Youtube demonstrating all the things you can do with an Auto Tune. It's actually pretty cool from a technology perspective.

Folks were dogging Wolf for the piped-in background vox on the 07-08 tour, but it's not like they weren't doing that at least as far back as Balance tour. Go watch the full PPV video (also on Youtube) of the Toronto show on the Balance tour and there's one part where Mike Anthony is the only one singing and there's like a choir singing backup with him, and it's not even that high almost-falsetto voice that he sings in. I think it was Not Enough or one of the ballad-y tunes that's tough to sit all the way through. Very obvious though. If they piped in background vox when Mike Anthony was in the band, then why wouldn't they continue doing that now? And Hagar said about the '04 tour that EVH couldn't even sing in tune any more anyway with what he's done to himself smoking and the mouth/tongue cancer treatments, etc. I know Hagar doesn't have much good to say about EVH (and he should STFU already), but that doesn't sound unreasonable or unlikely. A band that places such a focus on harmonies on the background vox as VH does, there's no doubt they have to pipe them in with either pre-recorded vox or an Auto Tune.

They're also at the age (Wolfie notwithstanding) when bands of their stature start hiring a few background singers to help out in that area on tour. The Stones do it. Motley Crue does it (but "dresses" them up as strippers). Others do too. I'm not sure how well that would go down with VH though, so what they're doing now seems to work. Hell, if the keyboards being piped-in is acceptable, then why not the background vocals? They make no attempt to hide the pre-recorded keys, and even acknowledge it by saying "who wants to see EVH play keyboards anyway?"

Sort of the same on the background vocals if you ask me.

 

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  posted on 6/22/2012 at 03:09 PM
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Pre-recorded vox makes sense on the other songs that they pipe-in pre-recorded music for, like all the keyboard songs. Otherwise, I was thinking they were using a voice auto tuner. There are lots of vids on Youtube demonstrating all the things you can do with an Auto Tune. It's actually pretty cool from a technology perspective.

Folks were dogging Wolf for the piped-in background vox on the 07-08 tour, but it's not like they weren't doing that at least as far back as Balance tour. Go watch the full PPV video (also on Youtube) of the Toronto show on the Balance tour and there's one part where Mike Anthony is the only one singing and there's like a choir singing backup with him, and it's not even that high almost-falsetto voice that he sings in. I think it was Not Enough or one of the ballad-y tunes that's tough to sit all the way through. Very obvious though. If they piped in background vox when Mike Anthony was in the band, then why wouldn't they continue doing that now? And Hagar said about the '04 tour that EVH couldn't even sing in tune any more anyway with what he's done to himself smoking and the mouth/tongue cancer treatments, etc. I know Hagar doesn't have much good to say about EVH (and he should STFU already), but that doesn't sound unreasonable or unlikely. A band that places such a focus on harmonies on the background vox as VH does, there's no doubt they have to pipe them in with either pre-recorded vox or an Auto Tune.

They're also at the age (Wolfie notwithstanding) when bands of their stature start hiring a few background singers to help out in that area on tour. The Stones do it. Motley Crue does it (but "dresses" them up as strippers). Others do too. I'm not sure how well that would go down with VH though, so what they're doing now seems to work. Hell, if the keyboards being piped-in is acceptable, then why not the background vocals? They make no attempt to hide the pre-recorded keys, and even acknowledge it by saying "who wants to see EVH play keyboards anyway?"

Sort of the same on the background vocals if you ask me.


All I know is that I have never seen evidence of any extra vocals being pumped in. Maybe they used to but I have seen droves of video from this tour and I hear Wolfie when he is at the mic, I hear Eddie when he is at the mic, and I hear both of them when both of them are at the mics. Whenever I have seen Eddie either miss or be late for his harmonies I can tell that it is just Wolfie. Maybe they needed to do that for Hagar era songs but from my ears and eyes they aren't doing it during this tour. If you can show me proof of what you claim I might believe it but both Eddie and Wolfgang himself have denied it and said it is all them in at least one interview I read. I am inclined to believe them until someone shows evidence.

 

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  posted on 6/22/2012 at 08:51 PM
I agree completely. Never meant to imply that it is the first time for VH. And they are not alone of course. I could care less really as long as the instruments are real.

 

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