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  posted on 6/26/2012 at 08:54 PM
Obamacare: 0-98


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As the nation awaits the Supreme Courtís ruling on President Obamaís centerpiece legislation, itís worth reviewing the American publicís response to it across the 27 months since Obama signed it into law. Over that span, from March 2010 through a poll released this morning, Rasmussen has conducted 98 polls of likely voters. All 98 times, support for repeal has outpaced opposition to repeal. Across 98 contests, Obamacare has gone 0 and 98.

Here are a few interesting stats from those 98 polls of likely voters:

Number of times that a plurality has favored repeal: 98.

Number of times that an outright majority has favored repeal: 96.

Number of times that repeal has been favored by a double-digit margin: 95.

Consecutive number of times that repeal has been favored by a double-digit margin: 36 (May 2011-present).

Average margin in favor of repeal: 17 percentage points.

Number of times that opposition to repeal has reached even 45 percent: 0.

In addition to Rasmussenís polling, Real Clear Politics lists 20 other polls on repeal from across the past 27 months. In 19 of those 20, support for repeal has outpaced opposition to repeal ó giving Obamacare an overall record of 1-117.

In light of these numbers, one can easily see why Obama would emphasize ó as he does ó that this election is about the economy. If itís about Obamacare, he will lose. Less clear is why Republicans consistently oblige him in echoing that opinion.


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  posted on 6/26/2012 at 10:38 PM
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Obamacare: 0-98


Jeffrey H. Anderson

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As the nation awaits the Supreme Courtís ruling on President Obamaís centerpiece legislation, itís worth reviewing the American publicís response to it across the 27 months since Obama signed it into law. Over that span, from March 2010 through a poll released this morning, Rasmussen has conducted 98 polls of likely voters. All 98 times, support for repeal has outpaced opposition to repeal. Across 98 contests, Obamacare has gone 0 and 98.

Here are a few interesting stats from those 98 polls of likely voters:

Number of times that a plurality has favored repeal: 98.

Number of times that an outright majority has favored repeal: 96.

Number of times that repeal has been favored by a double-digit margin: 95.

Consecutive number of times that repeal has been favored by a double-digit margin: 36 (May 2011-present).

Average margin in favor of repeal: 17 percentage points.

Number of times that opposition to repeal has reached even 45 percent: 0.

In addition to Rasmussenís polling, Real Clear Politics lists 20 other polls on repeal from across the past 27 months. In 19 of those 20, support for repeal has outpaced opposition to repeal ó giving Obamacare an overall record of 1-117.

In light of these numbers, one can easily see why Obama would emphasize ó as he does ó that this election is about the economy. If itís about Obamacare, he will lose. Less clear is why Republicans consistently oblige him in echoing that opinion.


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number of polls where surveyed opinions were based on actual facts?? Likely close to 0%.

Most people's analysis stops at "The government shouldn't force me to buy anything!"

 

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  posted on 6/27/2012 at 06:06 AM
Obama's biggest failure in this has been his piss poor communications. Obama always gives people too much credit that they are smart enough to figure things out on their own, when in reality they aren't. From the time it passed he should have had a full time PR team out there explaining to the voters what all the multiple numerous benefits to them are.A counter punch to the ignoramuses like Palin and the Fox news idiots who made up a ton of lies about death panels etc. There is no doubt in my mind had Obama handled the PR correctly from the beginning and had people understood the many benefits to them they would be overwhelmingly supporting it. 70% of people support being able to keep their kids on their policies until age 26 and you can't be refused coverage due to a pre-existing condition and the medicare prescription drug donut hole being closed.

I was able to keep my son insured while he finished his masters degree and my 86 year old mom told me she saved several thousand dollars on her prescriptions because of the donut hole in prescription drug coverage being closed.

Lastly the republicans couldn't care less, in their narrow minds we have the best system in the world and nothing is wrong with it. They won't lift a finger to implement any kind of alternative replacement health care program.

It's either "Obamacare" or as the republicans prefer "I don't care".

[Edited on 6/27/2012 by Peachypetewi]

 

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  posted on 6/27/2012 at 06:44 AM
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Obama's biggest failure in this has been his piss poor communications. Obama always gives people too much credit that they are smart enough to figure things out on their own, when in reality they aren't.


What about this from a fellow liberal:
"Wouldn't blame them either, they'd ruin him and with all this God fearing going on, we forgot about one really important thing and that is us and our right to decide whats best for us."

 

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  posted on 6/27/2012 at 07:54 AM
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There is no doubt in my mind had Obama handled the PR correctly from the beginning and had people understood the many benefits to them they would be overwhelmingly supporting it.
My, my. How a little time clouds the memory. The man did almost nothing else for the first two years of his Presidency other than talk up health care. Speech after speech after speech.

They don't understand the benefits? Then why do supporters always jump to say "when polled on specific provisions, the majority support... blah, blah"? It's either one or the other. The people can't be supportive of individual provisions and not understand the benefits at the same time. Nice try.

Perhaps no amount of "PR" can convince people to believe that our inept Federal govt should be entrusted with this. Not to mention the fact that the methods used to construct the plan were so shady from a Constitutional perspective, forcing over half the states to take the govt to court over the law. Sorry, but their failures lie squarely on their shoulders, and not with some ephemeral notion of "PR".

 

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  posted on 6/27/2012 at 08:52 AM
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There is no doubt in my mind had Obama handled the PR correctly from the beginning and had people understood the many benefits to them they would be overwhelmingly supporting it.
My, my. How a little time clouds the memory. The man did almost nothing else for the first two years of his Presidency other than talk up health care. Speech after speech after speech.

They don't understand the benefits? Then why do supporters always jump to say "when polled on specific provisions, the majority support... blah, blah"? It's either one or the other. The people can't be supportive of individual provisions and not understand the benefits at the same time. Nice try.

Perhaps no amount of "PR" can convince people to believe that our inept Federal govt should be entrusted with this. Not to mention the fact that the methods used to construct the plan were so shady from a Constitutional perspective, forcing over half the states to take the govt to court over the law. Sorry, but their failures lie squarely on their shoulders, and not with some ephemeral notion of "PR".



Once the new laws are in place, what is our inept federal government entrusted with exactly?
And by the way, I do agree he communicates effectively....to educated Americans. he is articulate and his speech writers and team are comprehensive. Many Americans will never trust intelligent sounding people. It just seems like double talk or someone trying to talk circles around them, or ADD takes over. In the end the scare rhetoric and the anti-American sound bytes stay with them. So even though I do think most Americans support individual provisions when isolated for discussion, I don't think they can get past the hype that cries outrage over the mandate and what a "takeover" it is, or what a fiscal mess it is, etc. I think if given time, there would be many more stories of seniors or college students or persons with conditions getting better access to affordable healthcare rather than going without or making ridiculous trade-offs in their personal finances, falling behind on mortgage payments due to medical bills, etc. When these situations are not addressed, it ultimately comes back to be a burden on our healthcare costs as a nation anyway.

 

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  posted on 6/27/2012 at 09:18 AM
I think most people have rejected the claim that Obamacare will lower health care costs. None of the studies support it, and we've already seen numerous instances where projected costs have been grossly underestimated.
 

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  posted on 6/27/2012 at 09:20 AM
OK, let's say they strike down the whole thing and we reset right back to Medicare and Medicaid.

Then what?

 

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  posted on 6/27/2012 at 09:40 AM
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Once the new laws are in place, what is our inept federal government entrusted with exactly?
Exactly? Who knows exactly? 2,700 pages of the bill, with references to hundreds - if not thousands of decisions to come. Here's a taste of exactly...





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When these situations are not addressed, it ultimately comes back to be a burden on our healthcare costs as a nation anyway.
To which this bill did not help by one cent.

[Edited on 6/27/2012 by Fujirich]

 

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  posted on 6/27/2012 at 09:41 AM
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OK, let's say they strike down the whole thing and we reset right back to Medicare and Medicaid.

Then what?
Broker sooner?

 

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  posted on 6/27/2012 at 09:45 AM
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OK, let's say they strike down the whole thing and we reset right back to Medicare and Medicaid.

Then what?
Broker sooner?


In other words, no one has any answers? What about Mitt Romney?

 

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  posted on 6/27/2012 at 10:13 AM
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I think most people have rejected the claim that Obamacare will lower health care costs. None of the studies support it, and we've already seen numerous instances where projected costs have been grossly underestimated.


Actually multiple studies have shown and stated the Affordable Care Act has already saved billions and will save billions more incrementally every year going forward.

 

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OK, let's say they strike down the whole thing and we reset right back to Medicare and Medicaid.

Then what?
Broker sooner?


In other words, no one has any answers? What about Mitt Romney?
I'm curious; why do some think it's necessary for a President to have plans about health care?

I know, I know; it's a popular notion and politically required. But where has all this fuss and fury made any progress?

The largest govt health care plan - Medicare - wastes tens of billions each year, and is set to be broke in the not too distant future. All the talk to the contrary; nothing has been done to dramatically fix that. The Federal options to fund a plan and force participation are likely to be found un-Constitutional. The options to create it as a separate payroll tax, like SS or Medicare - is seen as a complete non-starter.

So from where comes the expectation that a President, and the whole Federal mess, needs to have a health care plan? Just because it's a "want" of the people doesn't mean its automatically a responsibility of the Federal govt, is it? Would a "plan" that removes barriers to competition, gets rid of so many ridiculous Federal requirements, and lets the market improve costs be seen as sufficient? Or is nothing short of a new, giant Byzantine govt bureaucracy acceptable?

 

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  posted on 6/27/2012 at 10:56 AM
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I think most people have rejected the claim that Obamacare will lower health care costs. None of the studies support it, and we've already seen numerous instances where projected costs have been grossly underestimated.
Actually multiple studies have shown and stated the Affordable Care Act has already saved billions and will save billions more incrementally every year going forward.
And many more studies have shown the exact opposite.

 

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OK, let's say they strike down the whole thing and we reset right back to Medicare and Medicaid.

Then what?
Broker sooner?


In other words, no one has any answers? What about Mitt Romney?
I'm curious; why do some think it's necessary for a President to have plans about health care?

I know, I know; it's a popular notion and politically required. But where has all this fuss and fury made any progress?

The largest govt health care plan - Medicare - wastes tens of billions each year, and is set to be broke in the not too distant future. All the talk to the contrary; nothing has been done to dramatically fix that. The Federal options to fund a plan and force participation are likely to be found un-Constitutional. The options to create it as a separate payroll tax, like SS or Medicare - is seen as a complete non-starter.

So from where comes the expectation that a President, and the whole Federal mess, needs to have a health care plan? Just because it's a "want" of the people doesn't mean its automatically a responsibility of the Federal govt, is it? Would a "plan" that removes barriers to competition, gets rid of so many ridiculous Federal requirements, and lets the market improve costs be seen as sufficient? Or is nothing short of a new, giant Byzantine govt bureaucracy acceptable?


There's more important things in the world than profit margin. Call me an idealist.

 

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  posted on 6/27/2012 at 12:26 PM
Whenever something goes wrong for President Obama its always his "poor communication." Its never the idea of the policy that is bad. But even that is not an acceptance of crititicism because it is always that he "overestimated people's ability to understand him." So he insults the people. He gives a backhanded compliment to himself (He's too wise and intelligent for the fools he rules) and a backhanded insult to his constituents.

 

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  posted on 6/27/2012 at 12:44 PM
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Whenever something goes wrong for President Obama its always his "poor communication." Its never the idea of the policy that is bad.


I'd say that's applicable to Democrats in general -- it's NEVER about policy.

When they lose elections it's because voters are "scared and confused" or money bought the election or turnout was weak or it's racism or it was a messaging problem or FOX News lied or the election was "stolen" ect, ect. When polls don't favor their point of view it's the wording of the questions or a faulty sample. When the wrong candidate wins the voters are nitwits. I could go on...

Tone deafness and a general failure to wake up and smell the coffee is the reason they're losing the middle class and the mainstream.

IMO.

 

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  posted on 6/27/2012 at 12:51 PM
If all of this particular policy is bad, why are the major insurers going to keep certain elements of it regardless of the fate of repeal?

Going further, now that we've once again established how incompetent, awful and evil Democrats are, if this is repealed, if Mitt Romney wins, then what policies will be established going forward?

It gets repealed. Then what?

Over and over again it is said that Obama, Democrats and liberals are the source of all things bad, ever. OK, fine. Let's say Romney wins and the GOP takes all of Congress back. Then what? I may be a traitorous, worthless liberal, but I'm still an American and I'm still a taxpayer. My life goes on regardless of who the President is. What will happen?

 

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  posted on 6/27/2012 at 01:02 PM
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If all of this particular policy is bad, why are the major insurers going to keep certain elements of it regardless of the fate of repeal?


If all of this partiular policy is good, why did some major insurers decide
to cease offering healthcare plans altogehter?

 

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  posted on 6/27/2012 at 01:04 PM
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What will happen?
Nothing. You'll pay for healthcare until you can't and then you'll die.

 

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Nothing. You'll pay for healthcare until you can't and then you'll die.


Thank you.

 

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If all of this particular policy is bad, why are the major insurers going to keep certain elements of it regardless of the fate of repeal?


If all of this partiular policy is good, why did some major insurers decide
to cease offering healthcare plans altogehter?



Please elaborate.

 

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If all of this particular policy is bad, why are the major insurers going to keep certain elements of it regardless of the fate of repeal?


If all of this partiular policy is good, why did some major insurers decide
to cease offering healthcare plans altogehter?



Please elaborate.


Principal Financial will no longer offer health plans. Aetna, Cigna, WellPoint will all stop
selling policies in certain States at the outset and will continue to evaluate from there. Found these in one minute of looking.

 

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Nothing. You'll pay for healthcare until you can't and then you'll die.


Thank you.
I mean, it doesn't seem to me that anyone else has a plan (or thinks there should be a plan) so the status quo should be good enough. Tough sh!t if you can't afford it.

 

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"Obama always gives people too much credit that they are smart enough to figure things out on their own, when in reality they aren't. From the time it passed he should have had a full time PR team out there explaining to the voters what all the multiple numerous benefits to them are"............... as they are FORCED by the Left to take part in it with a threat of fine or jail.......for their own good, of course



"There is no doubt in my mind had Obama handled the PR correctly from the beginning and had people understood the many benefits to them they would be overwhelmingly supporting it.".................. as they are FORCED by the Left to take part in it with a threat of fine or jail.......for their own good, of course

 

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