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  posted on 7/21/2012 at 12:03 AM
NOT TOO DAMN LONG....

The Colorado movie theatre shootings. How long would it take before a connection was made between the gunman and some Right Wing group?

As predictable as the rising of the sun....

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/erik-wemple/post/abc-news-invites-bias- claims-with-bogus-aurora-report/2012/07/20/gJQAJJWCyW_blog.html

Sure, they apologized but can you un-ring a bell?

 
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"Fascinating that a man shouting ‘Allahu akbar’ as he mows down 35 people on an army base isn’t motivated by Islam… but a guy who has the same name as hundreds of others—and says nothing as he fires—is obviously a Tea Party zealot."
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  posted on 7/21/2012 at 10:10 AM
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"Fascinating that a man shouting ‘Allahu akbar’ as he mows down 35 people on an army base isn’t motivated by Islam… but a guy who has the same name as hundreds of others—and says nothing as he fires—is obviously a Tea Party zealot."
H/T Instapudit


It is interesting how the political motive is assumed when they think its a right winger but when its an Islamist they say its work related or stress related or just a crazy person. This man was just a totally crazy spree killer.

 

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  posted on 7/21/2012 at 03:36 PM
Doug, I don't think he was a spree killer, because he planned it out well in advance. A spree would be if he was just angry over a certain amount of time and then there was the last event that was the last straw. This one is a premeditated predator. It's different. He wired his apartment even before he left, he didn't just buy some guns, go to the theatre and start shooting. He planned how he was going to enter the theatre, and acted out a sinister plot. That's not a spree Doug.

 

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http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/07/20/12854157-aurora-suspect-james- holmes-was-buying-guns-dropping-out-of-graduate-school?lite

Motive: Faiing out of Grad School.

"The University of Colorado Denver Anschutz Medical Campus can confirm that Mr. James Holmes was in the process of withdrawing from the University of Colorado Denver's graduate program in neurosciences," the university statement said. "Mr. Holmes enrolled at the university in June 2011."

"The Washington Post reported that a neuroscience faculty member at Colorado who said he taught Holmes said he immediately thought of Holmes when he heard that a student was accused of the shooting. The faculty member said Holmes was "very quiet, strangely quiet in class" and seemed "socially off."

Holmes did very poorly on his comprehensive exams last semester, the instructor told the Post, and the school was considering placing him on academic probation, but was not considering expulsion

The university website listed one of his courses as the Biological Basis of Psychiatric and Neurological Disorders. He was listed on the class website as making a presentation in the spring on MicroRNA biomarkers."

""He loved all the villains in superhero stuff, which I did point out as odd. Most people enjoy the hero!"

The Denver Post reported A pharmacy student who lives in the building told The Post he called 911 around 12:30 a.m. Friday (2:30 a.m. ET) because there was a song blaring from the stereo inside apartment 10, where Holmes lived. The student, who wanted to be identified only as Ben, said he couldn't make out the song but that it seemed to be the same one playing on repeat.

REMARKS: Sound like jilted romance (playing the same song over and over again), someone who could not get over it, was failing out of his medical education, identified with villains in good versus evil scenarios. Yes Mr. Holmes has a few issues.

 

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  posted on 7/21/2012 at 04:59 PM
I guess I'm one of those tree hugging liberals who think there should be some kind of common sense when it comes to guns and ammmo. I see no reason for assault weapons to be in the hands of people, especially when it comes to cop killer bullets. The NRA has gone completly nuts with their resolve to put all guns in the hands of all people. I don't know what the solution might be but there has to be a way that crazy people won't have access to guns that can kill dozens in less than a minute.

 

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  posted on 7/21/2012 at 05:23 PM
I was suprised he wasn't tackled and had his neck broke as he passed by some folks when walked up the isle. The shock of the moment I guess. People don't seem to put up with any **** on areoplanes these days.

 

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I guess I'm one of those tree hugging liberals who think there should be some kind of common sense when it comes to guns and ammmo. I see no reason for assault weapons to be in the hands of people, especially when it comes to cop killer bullets. The NRA has gone completly nuts with their resolve to put all guns in the hands of all people. I don't know what the solution might be but there has to be a way that crazy people won't have access to guns that can kill dozens in less than a minute.


I am with you ONE HUNDRED PERCENT on this. I don't advocate abolishing The Second Amendment. But I don't think for a minute that four assault weapons and 6,000 rounds of ammunition were what our Founding Fathers had in mind when they wrote it.

 

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  posted on 7/21/2012 at 06:32 PM
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I guess I'm one of those tree hugging liberals who think there should be some kind of common sense when it comes to guns and ammmo. I see no reason for assault weapons to be in the hands of people, especially when it comes to cop killer bullets. The NRA has gone completly nuts with their resolve to put all guns in the hands of all people. I don't know what the solution might be but there has to be a way that crazy people won't have access to guns that can kill dozens in less than a minute.
One person's level of common sense is another's restriction of the right to self defense. Like most things, it's all about who'd deciding. Take Chicago. They have some of the most restrictive gun laws in the country. Yet the animals are gunning each other down there nearly every night. Lots of good all those laws and "common sense" are doing.

What's an assault rifle"? Does this term have a good definition? Does it refer to having multiple rounds, semi vs full auto capabilities, the kind of round, the color of the gun? Because for every one of those characteristics, there is lots of gray area between hunting rifles and those that are more 'tactical' in design, with versions of either being capable of nearly everything the other can do. Further; hunters today chose traditional hunting designs and more tactical ones with equal frequency. For the most part, this is a silly description used heighten anti-gun emotion by those who know little about guns.

Same goes for "cop killer bullets". There was a brief time in the late 80's that one company made a round with a steel core designed for the police to deform less when hitting hard targets. Because the harder material wore out the rifling in the bore, they coated it with Teflon to reduce this problem. Due to the steel core of the round - not the Teflon coating as erroneously reported - the bullets did have a slightly greater penetration of some types of body armor. Regardless, the company has been out of business for at least 20 years, and the rounds haven't been available. Further, most police and security agencies have long ago upgraded to newer body armor that stops these rounds, and also is also capable of stopping larger rounds, which is a far bigger problem.

So let's dispense with the hyperbole or misunderstanding before engaging in a conversation about gun laws.

Personally, while I may be a gun enthusiast, I believe there should be severe - I'd say draconian - punishments for gun-related crime. Any felon bringing a gun, or a facsimile of a gun, to the commission of a crime has predetermined that the threat of life-taking with their weapon may be necessary to achieve their ends. Just for this I'd give them life in prison. If they actually discharge the weapon during the criminal act, I'd give them the dealth penality. Cases of self defense would be quite different, of course, but for criminal acts I'd like to see the harshest possible penalties.

Of course, as a society, we don't have the stomach for solutions that might make us seem intolerant. And like so many things, we'll never put in place laws that actually might reduce the problem. Though in this case, a madman is always going to find a way to achieve their goal if sufficiently determined. If he had driven a vehicle at high speed into lines of people buying tickets at the theater, would we be taking about limiting access to cars?

 

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  posted on 7/21/2012 at 08:36 PM
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NOT TOO DAMN LONG....

The Colorado movie theatre shootings. How long would it take before a connection was made between the gunman and some Right Wing group?

As predictable as the rising of the sun....

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/erik-wemple/post/abc-news-invites-bias- claims-with-bogus-aurora-report/2012/07/20/gJQAJJWCyW_blog.html


Tea Party Congressman, Louie Gohmert (R-TX), in an interview with the Heriatge Foundation's "Istook Live," blamed "on-going attacks on Judeo-Christian beliefs" for the Colorado Massacre. What a wacko.



[Edited on 7/22/2012 by woodsdweller]

 

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Tea Party Congressman, Louie Gohmert (R-TX), in an interview with the Heriatge Foundation's "Istook Live," blamed "on-going attacks on Judeo-Christian beliefs" for the Colorado Massacre. What a wacko.


and a real nut-ball...imo

 

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  posted on 7/21/2012 at 11:55 PM
What they don't talk about is blaming a screwed up in the head human who chooses to murder instead of blaming inanimate objects for the actions of the human. The mass murders in Rwanda happened with machetes. 3,000 people died in 9/11 and the weapon was knife cutters. I blame the humans who do the deed.

 

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  posted on 7/22/2012 at 04:49 AM
The Happy Land massacre of 87 people in NYC was committed with approximately 8 oz. of gasoline, but the leftist vultures soon forget things like that.

 

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  posted on 7/22/2012 at 07:41 AM
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What a wacko.


I feel the same way about folks who actually care what politicians say, like it really matters or you can do anything about it.

 

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  posted on 7/22/2012 at 10:45 AM
I wonder what lawsuits will be filed against this reporter. Slander and defamation are just two of the words that come to mind here.

 

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  posted on 7/22/2012 at 01:29 PM
I hope everyone who wants them have the thousands of guns they think will keep them safe and all the ammunition they need to kill as many people as they think they might need to kill. God forbid that we enforce the gun laws we have or reinstate the assault weapon ban that expired a while back. I want every fool in this country to be armed to the teeth and I hope every Saturday night, where they can take guns into bars, they thin the herd. Long live the NRA....those bastions of freedom. If the North and South or East and West ever decide to go at it for round two we're all going to be ready.

 

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What they don't talk about is blaming a screwed up in the head human who chooses to murder instead of blaming inanimate objects for the actions of the human.


They always blame the object. Banning assualt weapons won't stop mass murder, it will only transfer the method to another object.

 

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  posted on 7/22/2012 at 02:47 PM
Give me a crazy person with a knife in a crowded theatre in stead of an assault weapon any day. He might hurt a few people but he's going to get the cr*p kicked out of him before it's all said and done.


 

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  posted on 7/22/2012 at 04:18 PM
There is something many of you do not know, and I did not know about either till yesterday. This week July 27, Hillary and Obama will be in NYC at the UN to sign a Treaty called the Arms Trade Treaty. On the surface it appears to be a consensus with international community to limit, control SMALL arms. This event in Colorado, and even Columbine, the Fort Hood Shooting, and the other shootings (VA, Waco, Texas) etc. will be used to garner support of the popultion for gun control.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZeJpXLsVCI
US Will Sign Gun Control Treaty on July 27 Dick Morris TV

http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/washington-whispers/2011/07/26/democrats-o ppose-obama-un-gun-control-treaty

Montana Democratic Sen. Jon Tester's office today provided Whispers with their letter, signed by 11 other Democrats, urging the president to press for significant changes in the treaty. Their major concern: that domestic manufacture, possession, and sales of firearms and ammo will be included, thereby giving an international authority the right to regulate arms sales already protected by the Second Amendment. They also said any move for an international gun registry would be a non-starter.

Treaties by virtue of their power legally achieve parity (or are equal in power) to the 2nd Amendment, treaties cannot be overriden by COngress or State legislature laws. The Vienna Convention says even if a people or Congress disagree with a Treaty, they are NOT to try to do anything to revoke or rescind it.

So THIS is how it will be done. Don't take a vote in Congress, don't sit there having lame duck debate sessions, just write, and get a Treaty implemented and then you can do whatever you want.

Now why is this necessary and why NOW? Because of what is to come in this country will piss off Americans big time. The financial system IS going to be taken down, people will lose their lifetime savings, pensions. Now what do you think a people who are going thru that are likely to do? Complain at least a little bit? Start a full scale national revolution? Could be, but if you disarm them and take away their weapons, they become tactally impotent. They can't fight back without weapons can they? THey'd have to be savvy, or adaptable to build other things, but that contingency has also been planned for. The authorization for private militias like Blackwater to be deployed on US streets. All those executive orders passed after the Patriot Act, were the pre-cursors to what if scenarios.

Now why is the financial system going to fail? It will be deliberate, you must first understand where it all began and how it fits into the power structure of the country and world being mindful of the goals.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMqb_WrnVTc&feature=related
The true history of the Banking Cartels and the Federal Reserve

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WK76Dl18uAU&feature=related
Fiat Empire – Why The Federal Reserves Violates the US Constitution

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ym4TTmOJ4I8&feature=related
The Rothschilds 500 Trillion Dollar

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9wYu1SR1Wk&feature=related
The Money Masters

There is more at stake than just money, but I will tell you this, the Chinese and non allying nations SUED those who owe them money (the US being one of those countries) thru the Internal Court of Justice at the Hague. They wanted the money that the Federal Reserve Board owed them paid to them in gold. Gold has not backed the money printed by the Federal Reserve so it could not be paid. The debt was adjudicated by the Hague to be paid on SEPTEMBER 12, 2001. Start at the 10:19 mark for info about this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IblwUglgFYQ&feature=related
Secret Va/Denver Quakes; Fulford: James Bonds Nuked NOW Underground Bases (DUMBS)

You see folks, there is this war for control and world domination, there are many players and many scenarios and they even fight amongst themselves. 911 prevented the US from having to pony up the gold that the Hague demanded they fork over to the Chinese. After all the US was now in a war that had been declared on them right? What do wars do? Put nations in debt, when nations are in enough debt, financially they fall, and what happens then? The rise of the NEW one world financial system.

What does it have to with the Colorado massacre? Could be Coincidence, and I think that it is a coincidence but we still need to be aware of the effect the massacre will have on the progression of these other things (getting the small Arms Treaty signed which can ultimately disarm nations even internationally, which will not be a good thing if revolution begins in America and other places; looting, rioting etc, you need to be able to protect yourself and your home, without a weapon you can't. Our forefathers realized this after what they went thru during the colonization of America that is why they put it in the Constitution that people have a right to bear arms and protect themselves).








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  posted on 7/22/2012 at 05:01 PM
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I hope everyone who wants them have the thousands of guns they think will keep them safe and all the ammunition they need to kill as many people as they think they might need to kill. God forbid that we enforce the gun laws we have or reinstate the assault weapon ban that expired a while back. I want every fool in this country to be armed to the teeth and I hope every Saturday night, where they can take guns into bars, they thin the herd. Long live the NRA....those bastions of freedom. If the North and South or East and West ever decide to go at it for round two we're all going to be ready.



Makes me think of that picture of someone sitting on the front porch of their house holding a couple pistols & and a shotgun so they can fend against the government. Big brother's coming, & there's going to be a good 'ole shootout.

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Doug, I don't think he was a spree killer, because he planned it out well in advance. A spree would be if he was just angry over a certain amount of time and then there was the last event that was the last straw. This one is a premeditated predator. It's different. He wired his apartment even before he left, he didn't just buy some guns, go to the theatre and start shooting. He planned how he was going to enter the theatre, and acted out a sinister plot. That's not a spree Doug.


You're wrong about the definition of a spree killer. They are almost always meticulously planned.

 

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I guess I'm one of those tree hugging liberals who think there should be some kind of common sense when it comes to guns and ammmo. I see no reason for assault weapons to be in the hands of people, especially when it comes to cop killer bullets. The NRA has gone completly nuts with their resolve to put all guns in the hands of all people. I don't know what the solution might be but there has to be a way that crazy people won't have access to guns that can kill dozens in less than a minute.
One person's level of common sense is another's restriction of the right to self defense. Like most things, it's all about who'd deciding. Take Chicago. They have some of the most restrictive gun laws in the country. Yet the animals are gunning each other down there nearly every night. Lots of good all those laws and "common sense" are doing.

What's an assault rifle"? Does this term have a good definition? Does it refer to having multiple rounds, semi vs full auto capabilities, the kind of round, the color of the gun? Because for every one of those characteristics, there is lots of gray area between hunting rifles and those that are more 'tactical' in design, with versions of either being capable of nearly everything the other can do. Further; hunters today chose traditional hunting designs and more tactical ones with equal frequency. For the most part, this is a silly description used heighten anti-gun emotion by those who know little about guns.

Same goes for "cop killer bullets". There was a brief time in the late 80's that one company made a round with a steel core designed for the police to deform less when hitting hard targets. Because the harder material wore out the rifling in the bore, they coated it with Teflon to reduce this problem. Due to the steel core of the round - not the Teflon coating as erroneously reported - the bullets did have a slightly greater penetration of some types of body armor. Regardless, the company has been out of business for at least 20 years, and the rounds haven't been available. Further, most police and security agencies have long ago upgraded to newer body armor that stops these rounds, and also is also capable of stopping larger rounds, which is a far bigger problem.

So let's dispense with the hyperbole or misunderstanding before engaging in a conversation about gun laws.

Personally, while I may be a gun enthusiast, I believe there should be severe - I'd say draconian - punishments for gun-related crime. Any felon bringing a gun, or a facsimile of a gun, to the commission of a crime has predetermined that the threat of life-taking with their weapon may be necessary to achieve their ends. Just for this I'd give them life in prison. If they actually discharge the weapon during the criminal act, I'd give them the dealth penality. Cases of self defense would be quite different, of course, but for criminal acts I'd like to see the harshest possible penalties.

Of course, as a society, we don't have the stomach for solutions that might make us seem intolerant. And like so many things, we'll never put in place laws that actually might reduce the problem. Though in this case, a madman is always going to find a way to achieve their goal if sufficiently determined. If he had driven a vehicle at high speed into lines of people buying tickets at the theater, would we be taking about limiting access to cars?


I am no expert on guns but I don't think individuals should be able to purchase guns that fire this many rounds without the need to re-load. There is a difference between shooting 5-7 people and shooting 60-70. These weapons are not hunting guns and they are certainly not necessary for self-defense. They are weapons of war and should only be in the hands of the military.

 

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What they don't talk about is blaming a screwed up in the head human who chooses to murder instead of blaming inanimate objects for the actions of the human.


They always blame the object. Banning assualt weapons won't stop mass murder, it will only transfer the method to another object.


I can't agree with that. These kind of weapons makes it easy to kill or wound huge numbers of people in an incredibly short amount of time and most spree killers would not use other methods of mass murder. The Happy Land fire was a terrible atrocity but the man dd not deliberately and systematically set out to kill that many people I don't think. It is not the same as a killer who walks into an enclosed area with an assault rifle planning to kill as many as possible in the shortest amount of time.

 

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P.S. On the actual Colorado shooting:

Mr Holmes will appear at Arapahoe County District Court, in nearby Centennial, Colorado, on Monday at 09:30 local time (15:30 GMT).

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-18937726

http://www.ourcoloradonews.com/centennial/
He was arrested and is being held without bond at the Arapahoe County jail.

http://www.aurorasentinel.com/news/metroaurora/batman-movie-massacre/suspec ted-colo-shooting-suspect-applied-to-u-ofariz/

http://azstarnet.com/news/police-all-hazards-out-of-suspect-s-apartment/art icle_70f766d2-6727-59fe-b504-da8b06da576f.html

Visible on a wall in Holmes' apartment was a poster with the words "Soldiers of Misfortune" and several figures in various shooting positions playing paintball.
REMARK: Soldier of Fortune is a magazine for mercenaries. (guns for hire).

http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/07/20/12854903-colorado-shooting-sur vivor-he-pointed-the-gun-right-at-me?lite

Jennifer Seeger told TODAY Seeger, 22, said she was sitting in the second row of the theater, and the shooting suspect was about five feet away from her when he entered.After the suspect threw the gas cans in the air, Seeger said, he fired a shot toward the ceiling. She says she got lucky he did not shoot her. She was in the second row, he fired over her head to shoot people in the 4th row, but now her.

'Once he gets up there, he goes up to the stairs, we’ve got to get out of here, we’ve got to get out of here,'" she said.

REMARK: How did she know he would go up the stairs? How did she know where he would go?

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-07-20/colorado-shooting-suspect-avoided- gun-reporting-requirement-1-.html

Colorado and Arizona gun laws compared. Mr. Holmes applied to go to Medical School in Arizona but was not admitted to that school. He may have been angry he did not get his first choice, and he was failing out of Colorado, and he reportedly used to visit the Zephyr Lounge, and was then reported to have been playing the same song over and over again in his apartment. Might have been an unrequited romance as the initiating event of his rampage. He was very careful in how he purchased his arsenal.

"The suspect, James Holmes, 24, didn’t purchase the handguns from the same store within five days, which would have triggered a requirement for the seller to notify the U.S. Justice Department, according to a federal official who asked for anonymity and wasn’t authorized to speak publicly."

REMARK: He needed to be successful, he meticulously planned for his big event. He had applied for college in ArizonaOne that he thought might end with his martyrdom, as he had to know a SWAT team would be coming for him once they became aware of his rampage.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-dark-knight-shooting- 20120720,0,2147749.story

The witness said he saw a man two seats over who was shot in the head. "I can't get his image out of my head," the witness wrote in a message. The victim was wearing a shirt bearing the face of the Joker from the Batman series; after he was shot, he slumped back in his chair, his face covered in blood

REMARK: The shooter had dressed himself up to be The Joker, so he kills someone in the audience who was wearing a shirt bearing the face of the joker. He would not tolerate competition for the role he chose to play. That is why this man was killed.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/story/2012-07-20/shooting-movie-theater -denver/56351098/1

REMARKS: He planned for a big event that would give him a lot of attention. What is it that he wanted to say? I think he wanted to say he was in charge. He enjoyed terrorizing people and being in control, because someone, somewhere did that to him, so to make things right in his world, he needs to do that to others.

http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/07/20/12854903-colorado-shooting-sur vivor-he-pointed-the-gun-right-at-me?lite

Seeger said “'Once he gets up there, he goes up to the stairs, we’ve got to get out of here, we’ve got to get out of here,'

REMARK: How did she know he would be going up the stairs? She was in the second row, he shot over head and shot people in the fourth row, but not her, WHY?

At the suspect's home, investigators from the federal Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco Firearms and Explosives were attempting to disarm what appeared to be sophisticated incendiary devices.

REMARK: Where did he get the knowledge to design and equip his apartment like that? Where did he get the tear gas canisters from that he threw into the air and shot in the threatre?

"Every few seconds, it was just boom, boom, boom," she said. "He would reload and shoot, and anyone who would try to leave would just get killed.""It almost seemed like fun to him," she told CNN."

REMARK: HOW DOES SHE KNOW WHAT HE FELT, that she could say ‘it seemed like fun to him’.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/07/22/us-usa-shooting-denver-idUSBRE86J 0AM20120722

Sources familiar with the investigation said that some 30 shells filled with gunpowder were spread through the 800-square-foot apartment and wired to a control box in the kitchen.
There were also at least two containers filled with "incendiary liquids" intended to fuel a fire from the initial explosions, and an undetermined amount of bullets meant to ricochet around the apartment.

"Given the amount of explosives that were there, if they detonated ideally, you would have had a very ample explosion with an ensuing thermal effect from the incendiary liquids that would have destroyed that apartment complex," a law enforcement official said.

Local and federal bomb experts used a remote-controlled robot to disable two trip wires, then detonated a tube known as a "water shot" to disable the control box. By Saturday afternoon, police had removed the last of the devices, packed them in sand in a dump truck and drove them away.

COMMENTARY: WAS this just the work of one lone gunman, I don't think so UNLESS he had military training. How would he have the knowledge and skill to make "sophisticated" devices he had at his apartment? Somebody taught him how to do that.

It was revealed today, Monday that Mr. Holmes paid about $14,000 for the ammo, guns etc. over the last four months. His stipend from the NIH for his grad school was $1700 per month. So out of $1700 deduct rent and other regular expenses, and then find out where $14,000 funding came from to do this rampage. Was it covertly financed by black ops?



[Edited on 7/24/2012 by gina]

 

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What they don't talk about is blaming a screwed up in the head human who chooses to murder instead of blaming inanimate objects for the actions of the human.


They always blame the object. Banning assualt weapons won't stop mass murder, it will only transfer the method to another object.


I can't agree with that. These kind of weapons makes it easy to kill or wound huge numbers of people in an incredibly short amount of time and most spree killers would not use other methods of mass murder. The Happy Land fire was a terrible atrocity but the man dd not deliberately and systematically set out to kill that many people I don't think. It is not the same as a killer who walks into an enclosed area with an assault rifle planning to kill as many as possible in the shortest amount of time.


I don't think the inability of Holmes to obtain an assault weapon would have stopped him. Substitute several pistols and a pump shotgun and he likely would have been at that theatre opening fire with what he had.


 
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