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  posted on 8/20/2012 at 03:09 PM
So says Newsweek

I guess if you can't sell magazines by slobering all over him, the oposite is worth trying


 

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  posted on 8/20/2012 at 03:28 PM
Your boy Flip Romney is still about 10 points behind in almost all polls so I don't see a single article in a single magazine making much difference. The problem is as much as many might not like Obama's first term and IMO that was inevitable with what he inherited they still like him more than Flip coreless Romney who seems to find it hard to stay on one side of an issue from day to day and who flips his views according to what crowd he is speaking to. Had the right nominated a candidate that was more palatable to the left and Independents they would have won by a landslide. Instead they force someone to become a complete phony to get nominated. Too bad for them. They will have to live with the results.

 

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  posted on 8/20/2012 at 03:41 PM
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Your boy Flip Romney is still about 10 points behind in almost all polls

I'm no Romney fan, just for the record, though Obama is a disaster

As to the polls, you might want to update your math - the RCP average has BO up by only 2.5 points currently...

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/general_election_ romney_vs_obama-1171.html

 

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  posted on 8/20/2012 at 03:56 PM
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So says Newsweek

I guess if you can't sell magazines by slobering all over him, the oposite is worth trying





From the same Magazine.....

 

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  posted on 8/20/2012 at 04:04 PM
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Your boy Flip Romney is still about 10 points behind in almost all polls

I'm no Romney fan, just for the record, though Obama is a disaster

As to the polls, you might want to update your math - the RCP average has BO up by only 2.5 points currently...

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/general_election_ romney_vs_obama-1171.html



From the same link you posted, it's probably more accurate to look at the following projected figures on a state by state basis vs. a national avg. Keep in mind it's the few swing states that will determine final outcome.

Obama 237

Toss Ups 110

Romney 191

 

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  posted on 8/20/2012 at 05:17 PM
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The problem is as much as many might not like Obama's first term and IMO that was inevitable with what he inherited


"Inherited"...OK....I'll give you that one. What happened to a new way of doing things? You know, "Hope & Change"?....When my budget is tight, I spend less. Spending as a share of the economy has surged. More federal employees (100,000+). More Americans are getting federal assistance. In 2009, a $700+ billion stimulus plan......You can add the Dteroit Auto Bailout if you wish.

Spend, spend, spend and when you run out?......just print more.

Some change....huh?

Hit The Road Barack

 

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  posted on 8/20/2012 at 06:06 PM
So when Newsweek questioned whether Romney's a wimp they were in the tank for Obama?

Got it.

 

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  posted on 8/20/2012 at 07:52 PM
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So when Newsweek questioned whether Romney's a wimp they were in the tank for Obama?

Got it.

Survival instincts eventually trump politics

 

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  posted on 8/20/2012 at 09:18 PM
In 2008, The Budgetless One ran on spending restraint and tax cuts. Now he's running on spending more and raising taxes. I guess it takes all kinds. I'm just thankful I don't have to defend him.

[Edited on 8/21/2012 by alloak41]

 

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  posted on 8/21/2012 at 01:27 PM
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The problem is as much as many might not like Obama's first term and IMO that was inevitable with what he inherited


"Inherited"...OK....I'll give you that one. What happened to a new way of doing things? You know, "Hope & Change"?....When my budget is tight, I spend less. Spending as a share of the economy has surged. More federal employees (100,000+). More Americans are getting federal assistance. In 2009, a $700+ billion stimulus plan......You can add the Dteroit Auto Bailout if you wish.

Spend, spend, spend and when you run out?......just print more.

Some change....huh?

Hit The Road Barack



You really think Romney is gonna spend any less with the larger tax cuts he wants to give to the wealthiest among us as well as his talk of military spending??? If you think Romney will be any better with the old Bush model and platform then good luck!

 

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  posted on 8/21/2012 at 01:29 PM
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In 2008, The Budgetless One ran on spending restraint and tax cuts. Now he's running on spending more and raising taxes. I guess it takes all kinds. I'm just thankful I don't have to defend him.

[Edited on 8/21/2012 by alloak41]


Yeah, so terrible that he wants to set the tax rates where they were under Clinton. We were just in such horrible shape back then right???

 

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  posted on 8/21/2012 at 02:04 PM
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In 2008, The Budgetless One ran on spending restraint and tax cuts. Now he's running on spending more and raising taxes. I guess it takes all kinds. I'm just thankful I don't have to defend him.

Yeah, so terrible that he wants to set the tax rates where they were under Clinton. We were just in such horrible shape back then right???

When will the liberal delusion of defining the economy on a single factor end? Rates might have been different then, but govt spending was also far less of overall GDP. The riches of the dotcom boom helped mask deficit spending. Global investment for productive activity still saw the US favorably. We had a President who, despite all his personal faults, wasn't constantly setting an air of business, taxation, and regulatory uncertainity with an endless stream of class envy rhetoric and unknowable personal judgements of "fairness". We weren't in the midst of instituting two giant new legislative actions (Obamacare and Dodd-Frank) whose costs and impacts to businesses and individuals are still, years after passage, hugely debated and massively uncertain.

But yes, lets change the rates back - on everyone - if for nothing else but to end the perverse notion that since it was fine back then, it will do no harm now.

 

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  posted on 8/21/2012 at 02:27 PM
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When will the liberal delusion of defining the economy on a single factor end?


Indeed. Only liberals do that.

 

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  posted on 8/21/2012 at 02:29 PM
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In 2008, The Budgetless One ran on spending restraint and tax cuts. Now he's running on spending more and raising taxes. I guess it takes all kinds. I'm just thankful I don't have to defend him.

[Edited on 8/21/2012 by alloak41]


Yeah, so terrible that he wants to set the tax rates where they were under Clinton. We were just in such horrible shape back then right???



Yet no talk of returning SPENDING RATES back to what they were under Clinton.

Also, Obama will raise taxes on capital gains and dividends. Clinton cut capital gains taxes.

 

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  posted on 8/21/2012 at 02:39 PM
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The problem is as much as many might not like Obama's first term and IMO that was inevitable with what he inherited


"Inherited"...OK....I'll give you that one. What happened to a new way of doing things? You know, "Hope & Change"?....When my budget is tight, I spend less. Spending as a share of the economy has surged. More federal employees (100,000+). More Americans are getting federal assistance. In 2009, a $700+ billion stimulus plan......You can add the Dteroit Auto Bailout if you wish.

Spend, spend, spend and when you run out?......just print more.

Some change....huh?

Hit The Road Barack



You really think Romney is gonna spend any less with the larger tax cuts he wants to give to the wealthiest among us as well as his talk of military spending??? If you think Romney will be any better with the old Bush model and platform then good luck!


I'm not a Romney guy.

 

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  posted on 8/21/2012 at 03:08 PM
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In 2008, The Budgetless One ran on spending restraint and tax cuts. Now he's running on spending more and raising taxes. I guess it takes all kinds. I'm just thankful I don't have to defend him.

Yeah, so terrible that he wants to set the tax rates where they were under Clinton. We were just in such horrible shape back then right???

When will the liberal delusion of defining the economy on a single factor end? Rates might have been different then, but govt spending was also far less of overall GDP. The riches of the dotcom boom helped mask deficit spending. Global investment for productive activity still saw the US favorably. We had a President who, despite all his personal faults, wasn't constantly setting an air of business, taxation, and regulatory uncertainity with an endless stream of class envy rhetoric and unknowable personal judgements of "fairness". We weren't in the midst of instituting two giant new legislative actions (Obamacare and Dodd-Frank) whose costs and impacts to businesses and individuals are still, years after passage, hugely debated and massively uncertain.

But yes, lets change the rates back - on everyone - if for nothing else but to end the perverse notion that since it was fine back then, it will do no harm now.


Exactly. Let's plow ahead with tax hikes while ignoring the state of the economy. Clinton raised taxes on a red-hot economy, as compared to the no-growth sluggishness we have today.

Obama previously balked at raising taxes two years ago, saying it would hurt the recovery and the economy is even worse now than it was then. As much as Sixty8 whines about flip-flopping he's silent on this one.

 

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  posted on 8/21/2012 at 03:10 PM
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Let's plow ahead with tax hikes while ignoring the state of the economy.


What tax hikes?

 

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  posted on 8/21/2012 at 03:22 PM
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Let's plow ahead with tax hikes while ignoring the state of the economy.


What tax hikes?


All of them.

 

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  posted on 8/21/2012 at 03:23 PM
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Let's plow ahead with tax hikes while ignoring the state of the economy.


What tax hikes?


All of them.


Oh, OK.

 

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  posted on 8/21/2012 at 03:58 PM
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In 2008, The Budgetless One ran on spending restraint and tax cuts. Now he's running on spending more and raising taxes. I guess it takes all kinds. I'm just thankful I don't have to defend him.

Yeah, so terrible that he wants to set the tax rates where they were under Clinton. We were just in such horrible shape back then right???

When will the liberal delusion of defining the economy on a single factor end? Rates might have been different then, but govt spending was also far less of overall GDP. The riches of the dotcom boom helped mask deficit spending. Global investment for productive activity still saw the US favorably. We had a President who, despite all his personal faults, wasn't constantly setting an air of business, taxation, and regulatory uncertainity with an endless stream of class envy rhetoric and unknowable personal judgements of "fairness". We weren't in the midst of instituting two giant new legislative actions (Obamacare and Dodd-Frank) whose costs and impacts to businesses and individuals are still, years after passage, hugely debated and massively uncertain.

But yes, lets change the rates back - on everyone - if for nothing else but to end the perverse notion that since it was fine back then, it will do no harm now.


Exactly. Let's plow ahead with tax hikes while ignoring the state of the economy. Clinton raised taxes on a red-hot economy, as compared to the no-growth sluggishness we have today.

Obama previously balked at raising taxes two years ago, saying it would hurt the recovery and the economy is even worse now than it was then. As much as Sixty8 whines about flip-flopping he's silent on this one.


I am not silent about anything. Obama said at the time that it was a one time extension and that he was gonna raise tax rates for the wealthiest next time around and he got a lot of heat from the left for doing so. It wasn't the only issue that Obama has upset the left base with but he is such a far left socialist??? I do not agree that the economy is worse than it was two years ago either. Maybe not a lot better but better.

 

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  posted on 8/21/2012 at 04:40 PM
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Obama said at the time that it was a one time extension and that he was gonna raise tax rates for the wealthiest next time around and he got a lot of heat from the left for doing so.
True enough. And now a huge portion of his reelection effort is based around raising taxes on a tiny portion of the population by ginning up envy from those at the other economic end. How will a small amount of estimated new revenue (quite uncertain) help the vast problems of the middle class, or the huge number of folks currently collecting govt benefits? Where's the Obama growth agenda - hidden somewhere in Mitt's old tax returns?

 

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  posted on 8/21/2012 at 05:14 PM
It is a conglomerent of things. Middle class and poor people see the wealthy getting tax breaks, tax deductions, putting their money in tax shelters and climbing through all kinds of loopholes ending up paying a very small effective tax rate. At the same time they don't see the jobs that were explained would be created and they have seen droves of American jobs outsourced by profitable companies. Add all of these types of things together and of course people who are struggling are gonna feel a sense of unfairness. It is unfair and it is human nature. Romney's policy plans hurt the middle class while once again favoring the class that need it the least and without any assurances that any new jobs created are American jobs, that they will create jobs at all, and that the outsourcing stops. What is to stop big business from outsourcing and putting all extra profits right back into their own pockets instead of creating jobs as they have been???

 

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  posted on 8/21/2012 at 06:09 PM
Google the author of the piece written and the fact check on this article.

 

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  posted on 8/21/2012 at 06:54 PM
Niall Ferguson made a grate documentary worth watching ...

The Ascent of Money
http://video.pbs.org/video/2246958992

The "age of debt" has come to an end
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77xI4QGMGYM


 

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  posted on 8/21/2012 at 07:27 PM
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The "age of debt" has come to an end
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77xI4QGMGYM

This video is particularly interesting and effective at laying out what's going on.

Good find JPB

 

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