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  posted on 8/30/2012 at 12:40 PM


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  posted on 8/30/2012 at 04:30 PM
Whoa, cool - any info on the occasion for their playing together?

 

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  posted on 8/30/2012 at 04:34 PM
When did Charles Manson play with Frank?

 

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  posted on 8/30/2012 at 04:59 PM
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Whoa, cool - any info on the occasion for their playing together?


Lowell was a member of the Mothers early on.

 

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  posted on 8/30/2012 at 05:05 PM
I don't know but Frank looks a little irritated and Lowel looks a little buzzed , maybe the night he fired him

 

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  posted on 8/30/2012 at 05:30 PM
Learn something new every day.

(Charles Manson played with the Beach Boys...ok, I'm leaving now....)

 

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  posted on 8/30/2012 at 05:39 PM

 

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  posted on 8/30/2012 at 06:17 PM
Never got into Zappa I could never tell if it was serious or a parody.

 

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  posted on 8/30/2012 at 08:41 PM
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Never got into Zappa I could never tell if it was serious or a parody.


You were right!

There have been lots of Zappa discussion here on HTW over the years.

Think of a many-faceted band, say the ABB. You can be an ABB fan because you love Gregg's singing, or Derek's slide playing, or the Butch/Jaimoe combination, or maybe you're Marc's biggest fan and you're not going to miss him coming to your town no matter who's he's playing with. Maybe Dickey's contributions were your favorite, and you believe the band hasn't been the same without him.

All those reasons for liking the ABB are different, but they're all equally valid for those who hold those opinions.

Zappa - in addition to being backed by legions of extremely talented musicians who went on to become great successes in their own right (Steve Vai being one of the most famous examples) - had a good half-dozen facets to his music all by himself.

You could like the Dark Adult Humor (Dinah Mo Humm, Sofa)
The social commentary and satire (Tinseltown Rebellion, The Meek Shall Inherit Nothing)
Sophisticated compositions (Peaches en Regalia, the Yellow Shark)
Revolutionary recording and sound techniques (The Grand Wazoo)
The theater of the absurd-type stuff (Call Any Vegetable)
The campy doo-wop, lounge-singer type stuff (can't name any specific tracks just now)
Long rock opera sagas (Joe's Garage)
Or maybe you just want him to "Shut Up 'n Play Yer Guitar."

I enjoy many of the facets, but not necessarily all of them. There are a few exceptions, but most of my favorite stuff was produced between 1973 and 1981. Those early albums are just a bit too weird for me, and the later-day orchestral stuff wasn't really my thing (although some of live stuff from the late 80's was great).

I'd be surprised if any fan of classic rock or jazz or jazz/rock fusion said that didn't like ANY Zappa, and the first thing that would pop into my head would be "you haven't heard enough." But I could understand how a narrow exposure could turn somebody off. If all you ever heard were the first album and last one, I could understand a "WTF?" response.

I got lucky. My introduction was probably "Valley Girl," which was all over the radio the summer of my 14th year. Not my favorite work of his, but it put Frank squarely in the public eye and ear for a time. Then shortly after that, the older brother of a girl I was dating loaned me Apostrophe. From there I was hooked. Most would likely agree it's one of his most accessible albums.

Well, I've rambled on longer then I planned. A "frank" discussion will often cause me to do that (pun fully intended). I'll leave you with one of my favorite tracks . . . the one I pull out when I hear people say that Frank's playing might have been highly technical, but lacked any real emotion.

Peace.

http://youtu.be/xMeUp4e-zGU
(I'd ignore the slide show, but your mileage may vary)

 

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  posted on 8/31/2012 at 12:23 PM
When I was a frosh in HS, I met my musical brother(I'm a drummer him a guitar player extraordinaire) Over our initial raps I turned him on to John McLaughlin(Devotion)and he laid Freak Out on me. It was the beginning of a beautiful friendship.

The occasion of Lowell and FZ playing together could have been an early Mothers show. The original Little Feat(1stalbum)is essentially a Mothers spin off band.
In any event FZ will eventually attain his place, if he hasn't already, in music history as a truly ingenious composer, lyricist and social satirist/commentator. Listen to the music underneath any of the (comedy) and I gar-ron-tee it will fry your medulla.
Let's not forget Frank yelling to Vinnie Colaiuta during the Joe's garage jam,"Vinnie, Where's five!!!!?.everyone had charts, it was fully arranged and conducted by the master of the Utility Muffin Kitchen.
If you get a chance to catch Dweezil w/Zappa plays Zappa...don't pass it up.

As a footnote my HS guitar bud is now leading an amazing FZ cover band among others in Buffalo. His name is Tom Fenton and his guitar slinging is somewhat known in the western region.

 

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  posted on 8/31/2012 at 12:27 PM
Lowell George's time with Zappa was extremely brief, but his work with Zappa can be heard on "Here Lies Love," from "You Can't Do That Onstage Anymore Vol. 5," and a hilarious vocal performance by Lowell on "Didja Get Any Onya?" from 1970's "Weasels Ripped My Flesh." If you go to the Little Feat box set "Hotcakes and Outtakes," Disc 4 (Studio Artifacts) has a 1966 track by Lowell's pre-Little Feat band "The Factory," and this track is produced by Frank Zappa.

I read somewhere that Lowell George had offered his (later-to-be-a-classic-Little Feat) tune "Willin'" to Zappa, but Frank wasn't interested.

 

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  posted on 8/31/2012 at 12:38 PM
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Never got into Zappa I could never tell if it was serious or a parody.


Lyrically - a parody. Quite often, a comedic farce or satire. Musically? Most people's ears just aren't prepared for what they get! Frank Zappa was as serious and as real as a composer as Stravinsky, Varese or any f the other 20th century heavy-weights.

 

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