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  posted on 9/6/2012 at 07:54 AM
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I thought he gave a great speech. In my impression he targeted his speech to the political middle and independents and all the people who don't feel like things are improving for them (me). I thought he made excellent points on how cooperation and not hatred is necessary in Wash. DC. He also squarely punched Mitt & Paul between the eyes on the reality of fixing a devestating economic crash 6 weeks before Obama was sworn in, budget math, ie., cutting the deficit while reducing taxes, Medicare, jobs, and welfare reform. There was no pandering to a specific class of people which I liked, just speaking to all Americans like adults about what direction the country should head in.

i dont know how much this will help sway voters who believe things really arent getting better but I thought he did a good job of making a case to think hard about the reasons for gridlock in DC caused by the current house republicans and putting the guys back in charge who created a lot of the mess . Unfortunatley he is not the guy running.

 

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For my money Bill Clinton is still the most skillled politician of our generation. For all his flaws his presidency was marked by some pretty good times. He was able to move to the middle and looked good doing it. Thought he looked and sounded great last night.

 

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  posted on 9/6/2012 at 08:20 AM
I thought this was an interesting read about Clinton's speech. I was surprised to see this article on Yahoo since they seam to lean left. I think they just laid someone off for that though, so maybe they are moving towards the center. http://news.yahoo.com/fact-check-clinton-claims-compromise-stretch-04325580 7--election.html


 

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For the man who claimed "the era of big government is over," delivered the last balanced budget, cut capital gains taxes, eased regulations, reformed Welfare putting in a work requirement, and was considered business-friendly; it's fairly odd to see him give a speech promoting a guy like Obama even though they're both Democrats.

Obama is the anti-Clinton. In the privacy of the voting booth, I wouldn't be shocked if Clinton actually voted for Romney.

 

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  posted on 9/6/2012 at 09:06 AM
Bill Clinton was the reason I changed from a registered Democrat to Independent. He swung the Democrat Party WAY too far to the Right under the God-Awful DLC (Democratic Leadership Council), run by him and hacks like Joe Lieberman. During the 1992 Democrat Primaries I voted for Jerry Brown (who ultimately lost). I remember looking at the Democrat Candidates (Tsongas, Harkin, Kerrey, Brown, Clinton, etc) and thought, "Wow, that Clinton guy is the most Right-Wing of all those guys." I was rooting for either Tom Harkin or Brown, either of whom would've made a fine President.

Best Moments at the DNC for me?

1. Elizabeth Warren's speech was awesome.

2. Former Ohio Gov. Ted Strickland's speech where he said, "If Mitt was Santa Claus, he'd fire the reindeer and outsource the elves."

 

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  posted on 9/6/2012 at 09:45 AM
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For my money Bill Clinton is still the most skillled politician of our generation. For all his flaws his presidency was marked by some pretty good times. He was able to move to the middle and looked good doing it. Thought he looked and sounded great last night.


Agreed.
key word there, "skill."

he knows how to work a crowd. Work his words. Work and market his agenda. Work policy too.

 

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  posted on 9/6/2012 at 09:46 AM
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For the man who claimed "the era of big government is over," delivered the last balanced budget, cut capital gains taxes, eased regulations, reformed Welfare putting in a work requirement, and was considered business-friendly; it's fairly odd to see him give a speech promoting a guy like Obama even though they're both Democrats.

Obama is the anti-Clinton. In the privacy of the voting booth, I wouldn't be shocked if Clinton actually voted for Romney.

Sorry for keep on quoting people here, but say it again . Thnx alloak.

[Edited on 9/6/2012 by SGirl]

 

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  posted on 9/6/2012 at 11:03 AM
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For the man who claimed "the era of big government is over," delivered the last balanced budget, cut capital gains taxes, eased regulations, reformed Welfare putting in a work requirement, and was considered business-friendly; it's fairly odd to see him give a speech promoting a guy like Obama even though they're both Democrats.

Obama is the anti-Clinton. In the privacy of the voting booth, I wouldn't be shocked if Clinton actually voted for Romney.


Not odd at all if you look at how Obama is much like Clinton in that he's actually governed in his first term as a moderate and not a far left democrat as some would like to suggest.

 

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  posted on 9/6/2012 at 11:23 AM
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For the man who claimed "the era of big government is over," delivered the last balanced budget, cut capital gains taxes, eased regulations, reformed Welfare putting in a work requirement, and was considered business-friendly; it's fairly odd to see him give a speech promoting a guy like Obama even though they're both Democrats.

Obama is the anti-Clinton. In the privacy of the voting booth, I wouldn't be shocked if Clinton actually voted for Romney.


Not odd at all if you look at how Obama is much like Clinton in that he's actually governed in his first term as a moderate and not a far left democrat as some would like to suggest.


If you really believe that we live in different universes.

 

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  posted on 9/6/2012 at 11:28 AM
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For the man who claimed "the era of big government is over," delivered the last balanced budget, cut capital gains taxes, eased regulations, reformed Welfare putting in a work requirement, and was considered business-friendly; it's fairly odd to see him give a speech promoting a guy like Obama even though they're both Democrats.

Obama is the anti-Clinton. In the privacy of the voting booth, I wouldn't be shocked if Clinton actually voted for Romney.


Not odd at all if you look at how Obama is much like Clinton in that he's actually governed in his first term as a moderate and not a far left democrat as some would like to suggest.


If you really believe that we live in different universes.


Which policy/legislative action would you call "far left?"

 

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  posted on 9/6/2012 at 11:31 AM
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For the man who claimed "the era of big government is over," delivered the last balanced budget, cut capital gains taxes, eased regulations, reformed Welfare putting in a work requirement, and was considered business-friendly; it's fairly odd to see him give a speech promoting a guy like Obama even though they're both Democrats.

Obama is the anti-Clinton. In the privacy of the voting booth, I wouldn't be shocked if Clinton actually voted for Romney.


Not odd at all if you look at how Obama is much like Clinton in that he's actually governed in his first term as a moderate and not a far left democrat as some would like to suggest.


If you really believe that we live in different universes.


I came to that conclusion a long time ago, Doug. Well before the DNC convention...

[Edited on 9/6/2012 by Chain]

 

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  posted on 9/6/2012 at 11:41 AM
Bill Clinton at the DNC

Still, charismatic as hell..... But he ain't on the ticket

 

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  posted on 9/6/2012 at 12:11 PM
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Bill Clinton at the DNC

Still, charismatic as hell..... But he ain't on the ticket


Of course he is. It's called continuity. He spelled this out last night when he drew attention to the number of jobs created by Democrats and Republicans over the last 52 years.

Republicans in 28 years created 24 million private sector jobs.

Democrats in 24 years created 42 million private sector jobs.

Given the time spent in office Democrats created almost twice as many private sector jobs as Republicans.

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  posted on 9/6/2012 at 12:17 PM
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Still, charismatic as hell..... But he ain't on the ticket


Of course he is. It's called continuity.


Call it what you want. Quote all the stats you want. He is not on the ticket......and please explain the HUGE addition to the deficit. This President was going to reduce it, instead...in his four years, (personal responsibility, Bush has been OUT of office for four years now)...he has added how much?...5 trillion?

FIVE TRILLION!

 

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  posted on 9/6/2012 at 12:42 PM
We have to remember that Bush never included the cost of the wars in his deficit figures and Obama did. That's a few trillion right there. As for Clinton, loved his speech in that he did what he had to do for Obama in addressing the various attacks from the right and I thought he was incredibly funny at times. Love him or hate him, I think he did the job he was up there to do. I really enjoyed Elizabeth Warren's speech too.

 

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  posted on 9/6/2012 at 01:05 PM
Last night was a reminder that Bill Clinton as a politcian is very, very unique. It's not just that he has such a warm, folksy, almost evnagelical speaking style, its that deep down he is a policy geek at heart. All of the things I read about him all say that when he was President, the things that most people would find boring or tedious, he absolutely loved. Negotiations over the minutae of economics legislation, policy discussions, stuff like that. Usually people in politics are one or the other, they are amazing speakers yet policy dolts, or highly intelligent people that fall short in the realm of communication. Clinton is a combination of both. Cliche as it sounds, there's only one Bill Clinton.

 

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Last night was a reminder that Bill Clinton as a politcian is very, very unique. It's not just that he has such a warm, folksy, almost evnagelical speaking style, its that deep down he is a policy geek at heart. All of the things I read about him all say that when he was President, the things that most people would find boring or tedious, he absolutely loved. Negotiations over the minutae of economics legislation, policy discussions, stuff like that. Usually people in politics are one or the other, they are amazing speakers yet policy dolts, or highly intelligent people that fall short in the realm of communication. Clinton is a combination of both. Cliche as it sounds, there's only one Bill Clinton.


Bill makes it hard to dislike him. He is so affable.

He was a much better president than the clown he was pitching for last night. And, no I didn't watch it. Watching political conventions, either side, isn't something I like to do.

 

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For the man who claimed "the era of big government is over," delivered the last balanced budget, cut capital gains taxes, eased regulations, reformed Welfare putting in a work requirement, and was considered business-friendly; it's fairly odd to see him give a speech promoting a guy like Obama even though they're both Democrats.

Obama is the anti-Clinton. In the privacy of the voting booth, I wouldn't be shocked if Clinton actually voted for Romney.


He clearly was taking one for the team.

And, no, I didn't watch it.

 

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Bill Clinton at the DNC

Still, charismatic as hell..... But he ain't on the ticket


Of course he is. It's called continuity.


Call it what you want. Quote all the stats you want. He is not on the ticket......and please explain the HUGE addition to the deficit. This President was going to reduce it, instead...in his four years, (personal responsibility, Bush has been OUT of office for four years now)...he has added how much?...5 trillion?

FIVE TRILLION!


From your side of the fence maybe he's not but he did an excellent job of promoting the premise of team play.

It was Clinton that cited the stats to basically present the democrats as one big party. Your side did this as well when you still had a party. Well, your guys do continuously invoke Reagan and he's dead and clearly not on the ticket.

 

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For the man who claimed "the era of big government is over," delivered the last balanced budget, cut capital gains taxes, eased regulations, reformed Welfare putting in a work requirement, and was considered business-friendly; it's fairly odd to see him give a speech promoting a guy like Obama even though they're both Democrats.

Obama is the anti-Clinton. In the privacy of the voting booth, I wouldn't be shocked if Clinton actually voted for Romney.


Unbelievable. Whatever you're smoking or snorting, please share. I think your last statement is either said in jest & if not, then it's delusional.

 

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  posted on 9/6/2012 at 02:37 PM

I think he hit it out of the park. His points were solid. He beautifully addressed the tediously misguided criticisms from the right. He clarified the false talking points. Hopefully he help put to rest all of the anti-small business and innovation nonsense. Does he agree with everything Obama does or says?; of course not. But how you can watch that and say he is taking one for the team or whatever,is beyond me. The other ticket offers exactly what Clinton said it offers, plus a whole lot more backward social/religious thinking that he didn't get into.

I honestly don't see how thinking people can't see the difference.

 

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  posted on 9/6/2012 at 03:13 PM
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From your side of the fence maybe he's not but he did an excellent job of promoting the premise of team play.


No doubt, I watched his speech. Yeah, I am libertarian/Republican....but I've always appreciated Bill Clinton, in fact I miss the guy.

 

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  posted on 9/6/2012 at 03:47 PM
The diversity in the crowd versus the RNC was quite noticeable........

 

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  posted on 9/6/2012 at 05:13 PM
Like Bill as well, speech was what you expect from someone of his caliber. As for content, nothing that hasn't already been said........Rah, Rah, go team!
 

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  posted on 9/6/2012 at 05:41 PM
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Like Bill as well, speech was what you expect from someone of his caliber. As for content, nothing that hasn't already been said........Rah, Rah, go team!


Why the derisive close? That's what conventions are, right? Rah Rah? And have the points he made been addressed that specifically with respect to policy and budget truths? maybe they have....I didn't see all of the speakers. But like someone said, he is kind of a policy geek. He really does a good job boiling down what the choice b/t Obama and Romney will mean. It is continuous in many ways. As he said; D's will continue to work toward a more perfect union. Republicans think the most basic free market forces and 10 commandments are enough while they spend oodles of $ to make the sure the rest of the world doesn't threaten that premise. Either way we grow the debt...the difference is as we get to a more perfect union, we will begin to see dividends in our social investments which will make bringing the debt under control easier down the road.

 
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