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  posted on 9/9/2012 at 03:15 PM
I did not like Revelator and have not heard the live album but since I have such complete respect for both Derek and Susan, I went to this show anyway. I will NEVER be one to knock Derek Trucks..........how can I when he has knocked me OUT so many, many times with his playing?

Nevertheless, this band just does not get over on me. An absolutely sterling "Wah-Wah" (George Harrison) as the opener really had my hopes high. I was immediately let down. I know the standard argument: Derek is going in a different direction, and I respect that. But I have to question even that. Is he really taking it in a new direction while doing this many cover tunes? FYI I don't have a setlist for you, I just sat and listened. Tunes I remember offhand are Uptight, Isn't It A Pity, Midnight in Harlem (great as usual) and Get What You Deserve, the only lead vocal Mike Mattison got.

My biggest peeve is that MELLOW is the order of the day here. I'm a rock 'n' roller at heart, which is why I am on The Allman Brothers Band website in the first place. To me, The Tedeschi/Trucks Band betrays my rockin' sensibilities. Oh, I've appreciated Derek's other directions, too...........I just got a friend Derek's "Soul Serenade" the other day and I'm still knocked out by that record, and it's straight ahead jazz. I'm crazy about Already Free and I loved Joyful Noise as well.

But TTB to me is more like a mellow old school big band sound. An encore of The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down and The Sky Is Crying did not exactly leave the crowd dancing in the streets. My other complaint is just too much Susan Tedeschi for me. Many have said it before, but she seems to stay in the same vocal range and get kinda monotonous over the course of a show. I'm glad I went............but it did not sway me one bit. And it's kinda strange because I saw Soul Stew Revival, with Susan, in 2007 at Wanee and absolutely LOVED it. But the material in that band was MUCH more in an upbeat, R&B vein and Mike Mattison was featured more.



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  posted on 9/9/2012 at 03:34 PM
I'm probably going tonight, because I can not pass up the chance to hear DEREK!

Thanks for the honest review, not only because I agree with everything you've written, but because it seems sincere and well thought out!

 

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  posted on 9/9/2012 at 06:44 PM
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  posted on 9/9/2012 at 07:07 PM
Thank you for the honest review, glad to know that Chuck Cujo and I are not crazy

 

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  posted on 9/9/2012 at 07:47 PM
Nice Review. I too saw them recently, twice actually, and basically feel the same way as you. I also miss the DTB. TTB just don't do it for me.

 

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  posted on 9/9/2012 at 07:50 PM
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Well that's debatable

 

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  posted on 9/9/2012 at 07:52 PM
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Well that's debatable


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  posted on 9/9/2012 at 08:39 PM
Saw the live show at the Mountain Winery and I definitely thought it was a mixed bag. Stellar horn section and Derek solo's are always captivating. Nice covers on "Wah Wah", "Isn't it A Pity", and "Up Tight". Far too many mid to slow tempo songs that seem to drag on with Susan going into "over-sing" to somehow try to bring out the passion. There are exceptions such as the truly beautiful "Midnight in Harlem". Mike Mattison definitely raised the energy level on "Get What You Deserve". He's way too underutilized. I also really enjoyed Susan's guitar solos. She played both fluid and gritty on a number of occasions including "Rolling and Tumbling" and "No One is Free".

I always compare these horn/backing vocal, revue/revival bands to Mad Dogs and Englishmen. This one has the musical firepower but is in need of better original material if it is going to go in that direction and has a vocalist who I don't think gets it a lot of the time. As mentioned previously, Soul Stew Revival, where Susan was a contributor not the focus, was much more enjoyable and funky.

Interesting that Derek's band had "Already Free" and this band has "Nobody's Free". Kind of becomes- which vision would you prefer?

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  posted on 9/9/2012 at 10:50 PM
Good review, I appreciate the time you put into that. You explained pretty thoroughly why you felt the show was lacking, and you did so without sounding nasty or telling Derek he needed to ditch Susan.

It's hard to argue with the fact that TTB is more mellow than ABB or DTB in a lot of ways. I don't necessarily agree that means they are "doing it wrong," but if you are looking for a rock band, they are definitely not that.

I've heard Derek quoted as saying he doesn't listen to much rock music, and I believe him. While he has done a good job with the ABB in that format, I don't think that is where his heart is musically.

I am always surprised to hear people say they like Already Free, which I feel is a VERY mellow record, then turn around and say TTB is too laid back for their tastes. Oh well, just an observation.

I think the Mad Dogs and Englishmen comparison is a good one. We may disagree on how well they are executing that format, but I think that is what they are going for.

 
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  posted on 9/9/2012 at 11:33 PM
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It's hard to argue with the fact that TTB is more mellow than ABB or DTB in a lot of ways. I don't necessarily agree that means they are "doing it wrong," but if you are looking for a rock band, they are definitely not that.


Personally, I don't have a problem with them being more mellow. In most cases when they attempt to get there it just doesn't reach me in that special place that other artists more successfully do. "Midnight in Harlem" is a wonderful exception and there are others I like in varying degrees. My slightly younger, guitar- playing brother still criticizes me for purchasing too many ballads when we first started buying music decades ago.

BTW, thanks for the positive comments about the review. Always difficult to sort out and express what you experiencing on a more emotional/spiritual level.

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  posted on 9/10/2012 at 09:51 AM
I love both the TTb and the DTB

I think of the TTB as being a classic R&B Stax records soul band.

If I went to a TTB concert expecting to see a DTB concert I'd be highly disappointed

It's not a "jam" band. It's an old school R&B band with some jazz elements included. Since most of the original old school R&B bands were made up of jazz musicians it's a great tribute and a return to a classic way of approaching live music.

I think in the future Derek will create other projects that will explore other avenues. This one explores R&B....

 

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  posted on 9/10/2012 at 10:29 AM
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It's hard to argue with the fact that TTB is more mellow than ABB or DTB in a lot of ways. I don't necessarily agree that means they are "doing it wrong," but if you are looking for a rock band, they are definitely not that.


Agreed , 100%

I went to crossroads, the first time i saw them , expecting the usual guitarmageddon..

it was not that and probably will never be..

and i think it is perfectly ok to not like the TTB

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  posted on 9/10/2012 at 11:12 AM
Rob's review is what we call in my business a "considered opinion," and I can respect that someone actually sees them and decides they are not for him.

What I don't get is to be bitter for it not being dTb. That band is gone, and they're never coming back. It took me two yrs after Dickey left to see the ABB; I just could not get my head around the band w/o him. Finally I realized that I was missing out on something good, though not the same. I tried again. I'm glad I did.

 

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  posted on 9/10/2012 at 12:50 PM
So, last night...I managed to free myself from a prior commitment and I found myself driving up to Harrah's to see the show.....I no sooner pulled off the 15 into Escondido when my cell rang. I stop to get gas, take the call from two buddies at the show, only to find out the concert had been cancelled due to some problem with electricity. No power whatsoever at the Casino. Now keep in mind, this is not an easy venue to reach, it is literally out in the middle of nowhere...So, I turned around and came home. Bummer.

This would have been my 3rd time seeing this band, (4 if you count the Red Rocks broadcast on AXSTV) I can't help myself, I am a huge Derek fan.... I went thinking, "alright, one more chance" but alas, it was not to be. I had to chime in here because of the comments people had made about having an opinion about a show I had not attended. In my case, I have seen them. Twice. Hugely disappointed both times, (not because it was not the dtb, but because these ears hear something different from some of the folks here) but there I was going again.....Are the setlists and performances that different? I think not....the two shows I caught in 2011 were pretty similar in energy and passion...Only months apart, I felt I had a pretty good grasp of what ever it was they were trying to accomplish. So, I hit this thread and lo and behold Rob has written almost the exact same thing I had stated in an earlier post(s). Almost to the word..... My feeling being that I was not the only one who had attended a couple of shows, purchased "Revelator" and was less than impressed. I've been here on this board for over 6 years, it's never been my intent to rain on somebody else's party. Am I opinionated? "F" yes I am, and will continue to be...Anyway, my point?... I feel somewhat vindicated here because of Rob's honest take and the responses by others who agree. Just nice to know I am not standing out here, shouting into the wind, all by my lonesome. Btw, I missed a chance to meet and party with Danny, another cool cat who calls this place home....

 

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So, last night...I managed to free myself from a prior commitment and I found myself driving up to Harrah's to see the show.....I no sooner pulled off the 15 into Escondido when my cell rang. I stop to get gas, take the call from two buddies at the show, only to find out the concert had been cancelled due to some problem with electricity. No power whatsoever at the Casino. Now keep in mind, this is not an easy venue to reach, it is literally out in the middle of nowhere...So, I turned around and came home. Bummer.



Wow Vince, you just don't know how weird it is to hear this.........the power went out Saturday night @ The Mountain Winery as well!! First an emergency alert system came on telling us to evacuate, but no one believed it and everyone sat still. Then a woman tried to notify us from the stage as to what was going on but her megaphone didn't work! Maybe 10 minutes later the power went on and they made an announcement that someone had triggered the alarm system by smoking in the restroom and as soon as they rebooted the system the show would go on. It started right at the scheduled time, 8:30 PM.

It almost sounds like someone is sabotaging California shows by The Tedeschi/Trucks Band.

 

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  posted on 9/10/2012 at 06:19 PM
"Just nice to know I am not standing out here, shouting into the wind, all by my lonesome."

BigV, there are certainly plenty of people who share your opinion, and even though I enjoy TTB more than you do, I can understand and agree with some of the criticisms that robslob raised.

As I've said before, part of my viewpoint on this is that I came to TTB with very LOW expectations. I'm not a fan of Susan in general, and I fully expected to feel the exact same way about this band that some of you do, for a lot of the same reasons.

With that in mind, TTB has been a very pleasant surprise for me, all things considered. Do I prefer listening to Derek play 20 minute versions of My Favorite Things and Rastaman Chant to listening to Susan sing Motown tunes? Of course I do, but I never expected to hear that kind of stuff out of this band.

I can honestly say I NEVER expected to be as blown away by TTB as I was by the Peachfest webcast. This band has wildly exceeded the expectations I had for them, and that may make all the difference.

 
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  posted on 9/10/2012 at 07:21 PM
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Rob's review is what we call in my business a "considered opinion," and I can respect that someone actually sees them and decides they are not for him.

What I don't get is to be bitter for it not being dTb. That band is gone, and they're never coming back. It took me two yrs after Dickey left to see the ABB; I just could not get my head around the band w/o him. Finally I realized that I was missing out on something good, though not the same. I tried again. I'm glad I did.


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  posted on 9/10/2012 at 07:28 PM
Interesting.
I wasn't there (live near Boston) but by brother in law was. He said it was probably the best show he's seen in about 2 years (frame of reference, he's into Chris Robinson, The Black Crows, GD, Furthur and similar music- I don't think he ever saw DTB). He was there for the sound check and the show and he and his friends were blown away. He also thought that in general the audience was on their feet and into it.
different perspective, different tastes.
He said he didn't see any tapers, so I'll never have a chance to weigh in.

Like I've said before, I prefer DTB. But - when I saw this band live, I loved it. I saw the Newport webcast and the Peachfest webcast, and loved both of them.
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  posted on 9/11/2012 at 09:24 AM
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Rob's review is what we call in my business a "considered opinion," and I can respect that someone actually sees them and decides they are not for him.

What I don't get is to be bitter for it not being dTb. That band is gone, and they're never coming back. It took me two yrs after Dickey left to see the ABB; I just could not get my head around the band w/o him. Finally I realized that I was missing out on something good, though not the same. I tried again. I'm glad I did.


Brock - Good post & perspective.

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Thanks. We do not know where Derek is heading in the future, but I feel certain he will not elect to go backwards.

 

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  posted on 9/11/2012 at 12:09 PM
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Rob's review is what we call in my business a "considered opinion," and I can respect that someone actually sees them and decides they are not for him.

What I don't get is to be bitter for it not being dTb. That band is gone, and they're never coming back. It took me two yrs after Dickey left to see the ABB; I just could not get my head around the band w/o him. Finally I realized that I was missing out on something good, though not the same. I tried again. I'm glad I did.


Brock - Good post & perspective.

Good music is ageless, but time moves on.


Thanks. We do not know where Derek is heading in the future, but I feel certain he will not elect to go backwards.


"Backwards" is a matter of perspective. To me the ttb represents a backwards move because of the utter simplicity of the music. How is Derek challenged by this?...I'd love to see him hit the road as a 4 piece band. Mike M. a drummer and a bass player.......Tear it up Derek!...Tear it up......

 

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I'd love to see him hit the road as a 4 piece band. Mike M. a drummer and a bass player.......Tear it up Derek!...Tear it up......


 

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Rob's review is what we call in my business a "considered opinion," and I can respect that someone actually sees them and decides they are not for him.

What I don't get is to be bitter for it not being dTb. That band is gone, and they're never coming back. It took me two yrs after Dickey left to see the ABB; I just could not get my head around the band w/o him. Finally I realized that I was missing out on something good, though not the same. I tried again. I'm glad I did.


Brock - Good post & perspective.

Good music is ageless, but time moves on.


Thanks. We do not know where Derek is heading in the future, but I feel certain he will not elect to go backwards.


"Backwards" is a matter of perspective. To me the ttb represents a backwards move because of the utter simplicity of the music. How is Derek challenged by this?...I'd love to see him hit the road as a 4 piece band. Mike M. a drummer and a bass player.......Tear it up Derek!...Tear it up......



You mean like this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJUXXP-azZ0

I would be totally 100 % on board with this

 

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Rob's review is what we call in my business a "considered opinion," and I can respect that someone actually sees them and decides they are not for him.

What I don't get is to be bitter for it not being dTb. That band is gone, and they're never coming back. It took me two yrs after Dickey left to see the ABB; I just could not get my head around the band w/o him. Finally I realized that I was missing out on something good, though not the same. I tried again. I'm glad I did.


Brock - Good post & perspective.

Good music is ageless, but time moves on.


Thanks. We do not know where Derek is heading in the future, but I feel certain he will not elect to go backwards.


"Backwards" is a matter of perspective. To me the ttb represents a backwards move because of the utter simplicity of the music. How is Derek challenged by this?...I'd love to see him hit the road as a 4 piece band. Mike M. a drummer and a bass player.......Tear it up Derek!...Tear it up......



Does music need to be complex for someone to be giving to it 100% or enjoying it 100%. It's growth in that it he a part of ensemble and not just wailing for 20 minutes. That there are other instruments that have a voice in the music and it's not all about the guitar.

 

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Rob's review is what we call in my business a "considered opinion," and I can respect that someone actually sees them and decides they are not for him.

What I don't get is to be bitter for it not being dTb. That band is gone, and they're never coming back. It took me two yrs after Dickey left to see the ABB; I just could not get my head around the band w/o him. Finally I realized that I was missing out on something good, though not the same. I tried again. I'm glad I did.


Brock - Good post & perspective.

Good music is ageless, but time moves on.


Thanks. We do not know where Derek is heading in the future, but I feel certain he will not elect to go backwards.


"Backwards" is a matter of perspective. To me the ttb represents a backwards move because of the utter simplicity of the music. How is Derek challenged by this?...I'd love to see him hit the road as a 4 piece band. Mike M. a drummer and a bass player.......Tear it up Derek!...Tear it up......



Does music need to be complex for someone to be giving to it 100% or enjoying it 100%. It's growth in that it he a part of ensemble and not just wailing for 20 minutes. That there are other instruments that have a voice in the music and it's not all about the guitar.


Does it need to be complex?.... Not necessarily, but I don't believe making the product simpler and less complicated represents a step forward. Derek is a guitar player, let's hear some more of it! I certainly do not hear much of Kofi. Imho the horns are only heard sporadically.....You refer to this as growth, count me amongst those who hear something completely different. To each their own.

 

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Rob's review is what we call in my business a "considered opinion," and I can respect that someone actually sees them and decides they are not for him.

What I don't get is to be bitter for it not being dTb. That band is gone, and they're never coming back. It took me two yrs after Dickey left to see the ABB; I just could not get my head around the band w/o him. Finally I realized that I was missing out on something good, though not the same. I tried again. I'm glad I did.


Brock - Good post & perspective.

Good music is ageless, but time moves on.


Thanks. We do not know where Derek is heading in the future, but I feel certain he will not elect to go backwards.


"Backwards" is a matter of perspective. To me the ttb represents a backwards move because of the utter simplicity of the music. How is Derek challenged by this?...I'd love to see him hit the road as a 4 piece band. Mike M. a drummer and a bass player.......Tear it up Derek!...Tear it up......



Does music need to be complex for someone to be giving to it 100% or enjoying it 100%. It's growth in that it he a part of ensemble and not just wailing for 20 minutes. That there are other instruments that have a voice in the music and it's not all about the guitar.


Does it need to be complex?.... Not necessarily, but I don't believe making the product simpler and less complicated represents a step forward. Derek is a guitar player, let's hear some more of it! I certainly do not hear much of Kofi. Imho the horns are only heard sporadically.....You refer to this as growth, count me amongst those who hear something completely different. To each their own.



Clapton got the same response when he started to move away for playing endless solos and his reputation has never completely recovered amongst those who believe that music must revolve around the extended guitar solo. That a song is not complete without the long dynamic guitar solo...

For Clapton is was conscious decision so maybe like Clapton he feels that he's done that and now he wants to do something different and there are those who wish that people never change or grow in different ways.

Maybe to Derek growth is saying less and using the guitar for it real design to make music and not just wail endlessly for the 5 people in the world who actually care how well and long you can solo....Mind you I love the DTB and extended guitar solos but this is just a different band they don't do it....

I also love simply arranged simple songs....and they don't even need a guitar solo...sometime ya don't even need a freeking guitar....Listen to Dr Feelgood my Aretha....no guitar track....didn't need one

 

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