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  posted on 9/13/2012 at 07:56 AM
Mitt Romney Attacks President Obama Over Libya Crisis

Posted: 09/12/2012 12:08 pm

WASHINGTON -- On Wednesday morning, hours after the deaths of four U.S. diplomats, including the U.S. ambassador to Libya, Mitt Romney put his campaign on the line by attacking President Barack Obama and the besieged diplomats in the Middle East.

Romney, in a statement released Tuesday night, had called the president's handling of the Libya and Egypt attacks "disgraceful." Wednesday morning, Romney hastily scrapped a campaign rally in Jacksonville, Fla., dismantling a campaign stage, and instead held a small press conference in which he repeatedly defended his criticism of the administration, slamming embassy officials in Cairo and President Obama. "When our grounds are being attacked, and being breached, that the first response of the United States must be outrage at the breach of the sovereignty of our nation. And apology for America's values is never the right course," he said, slamming the Obama administration for "sympathiz[ing] with those who waged the attacks."

The attacks at the consulate in Libya, and a separate incident at the U.S. embassy in Cairo, came on a day of violence and anger over rumors of an anti-Islamic film scheduled for released in the United States and circulated on the Internet.

Romney's assault on Obama was rare among Republicans. Sarah Palin and Republican National Committee Chairman Reince Priebus joined him in condemning the president, but no other significant GOP leader thought it prudent to immediately single out the president for criticism. House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio), House Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-Va.) and Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) all put out statements on the crisis, none attacking Obama.

A host of Republican foreign policy officials were quick to blast the "utter disaster" that was Romney's response.

Romney's reference to an "apology for America's values" was directed at a statement the U.S. Embassy in Cairo put out on Tuesday morning, but that statement, which was itself responding to the outrage over the anti-Islamic film, was issued before the embassy was attacked, despite Romney's statement to the contrary. What's more, the statement does not apologize for America's values, but rather supports a founding American value, religious tolerance, while referencing the "universal right of free speech." The statement in full:


The Embassy of the United States in Cairo condemns the continuing efforts by misguided individuals to hurt the religious feelings of Muslims -- as we condemn efforts to offend believers of all religions. Today, the 11th anniversary of the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks on the United States, Americans are honoring our patriots and those who serve our nation as the fitting response to the enemies of democracy. Respect for religious beliefs is a cornerstone of American democracy. We firmly reject the actions by those who abuse the universal right of free speech to hurt the religious beliefs of others.

Romney's rash condemnation of the president, released after it was known that there had been U.S. fatalities, calls to mind Sen. John McCain's snap decision in 2008 to suspend his presidential campaign to deal with the financial crisis. The move was judged deeply unpresidential and contributed to his defeat.

After the Cairo embassy's initial statement, as a mob protest outside the embassy heated up, even entering the compound, and commentators in the U.S. suggested the embassy condemn the protesters, the embassy responded through its Twitter feed: "Of course we condemn breaches of our compound, we’re the ones actually living through this."

The embassy added: "Sorry, but neither breaches of our compound or angry messages will dissuade us from defending freedom of speech AND criticizing bigotry."

The diplomats in Cairo survived the assault on their embassy. When the protests spread to Libya, diplomats there weren't so lucky: Four U.S. State Department officials, including Ambassador to Libya Christopher Stevens, were killed in an hourslong assault. Romney responded by attacking the diplomats in Cairo.

"The embassy in Cairo put out a statement after their grounds had been breached, protesters were inside the grounds," said Romney at his press conference. "They reiterated that statement after the breach. I think it's a -- a terrible course for America to stand in apology for our values."

Did Romney expect the Cairo diplomats to retract their defense of religious tolerance in the face of the attack? Or did Romney expect the Obama administration to denounce the diplomats who were under siege?

"It's their administration," said Romney, referring to the embassy in Cairo. "Their administration spoke. The president takes responsibility not just for the words that come from his mouth but also from the words of his ambassadors, from his administration, from his embassies, from his State Department. They clearly sent mixed messages to the world. The statement that came from the administration -- and the embassy is the administration -- the statement that came from the administration was a statement which is akin to apology. And I think was a severe miscalculation."

Reporters in Washington have been as quick to condemn Romney as he was to condemn Obama and the embassy officials. "Unless Mitt has gamed crisis out in some manner completely invisible to Gang of 500, doubling down=most craven+ill-advised move of '12," Time's Mark Halperin tweeted, referring to the Beltway establishment.

Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and President Obama, meanwhile, struck a somber and emotional tone, offering remembrances for the American diplomats who lost their lives in the violence.

In an appearance in the Rose Garden on Wednesday, flanked by Clinton, the president spoke about the events the night before, pledging that the incidents would "not break the bonds between the United States and Libya."

"We reject all efforts to denigrate the religious beliefs of others," Obama said, referencing the anti-Islamic video, "but there is no justification for this kind of violence. None."

Libyan security workers had helped bring other American diplomats to safety during the crisis, Obama noted, and had transported the ambassador to the hospital.

"It is especially tragic that Chris Stevens died in Benghazi because it's a city he helped to save at the height of the Libyan revolution," Obama said.

Earlier in the morning at the State Department, a shaken Clinton talked about Stevens and the other diplomats who had been killed and strongly denounced the attacks at the outpost in Libya.

"This is an attack that should shock the conscience of people of all faiths around the world," she said. "We condemn in the strongest terms this senseless act of violence."

With her eyes occasionally watering, Clinton spoke at length about Ambassador Stevens, whom she knew well and whom she had personally dispatched to Libya at the beginning to the uprising against Muammar Gaddafi, to be the American attache to the rebel leadership.

"He arrived on a cargo ship in the port of Benghazi and began building our relationship with the Libyan revolutionaries," she said. "He risked his life to stop a tyrant, then gave his life trying to help build a better Libya. The world needs more Chris Stevenses."

Clinton too pledged to maintain America's relationship with Libya, although she conceded that events like those on Tuesday challenged even her certainty.

"Today many Americans are asking -- indeed, I ask myself -- how could this happen," Clinton said. "How could this happen in a country we helped liberate, in a city we helped save from destruction. This question reflects just how complicated, and at times how confounding, the world can be. But we must be clear-eyed even in our grief: This was an attack by a small and savage group, not the people or the government of Libya."

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I haven't turned on the news yet today to see if there is any more fall out for Romney but I imagine this incident inflicted a severe blow to his campaign.

 

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I haven't turned on the news yet today to see if there is any more fall out for Romney but I imagine this incident inflicted a severe blow to his campaign.


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Na, no one should be outraged at what happen and i'm sure it was all just a big old misunderstanding. Not Poor old Obama's fault..........How dare that mean old rich man be critical of our savior.
 

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That was really not a very good post er....this isn't about Obama...this is about Romney speaking out about something for which he didn't have all the facts at the very time American's were dying. Obama is just fine but to do that demonstrates Romney's unbridled lust for the presidency without regard to American lives. Spin it any way you want, that's the long and the short of it.

 

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That was really not a very good post er....this isn't about Obama...this is about Romney speaking out about something for which he didn't have all the facts at the very time American's were dying. Obama is just fine but to do that demonstrates Romney's unbridled lust for the presidency without regard to American lives. Spin it any way you want, that's the long and the short of it.


Sounds like you are the one spinning it.

 

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If the phone rings at 3:00 AM I sure don't want Multi-Mitt or Lyin Ryan to be the ones that answer it. Hey Multi-MItt : take the gun outta the holster before you fire it.

 

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Na, no one should be outraged at what happen and i'm sure it was all just a big old misunderstanding. Not Poor old Obama's fault..........How dare that mean old rich man be critical of our savior.
Wait...are you insinuating that the violence in Libya is Obama's fault?

 

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That was really not a very good post er....this isn't about Obama...this is about Romney speaking out about something for which he didn't have all the facts at the very time American's were dying. Obama is just fine but to do that demonstrates Romney's unbridled lust for the presidency without regard to American lives. Spin it any way you want, that's the long and the short of it.


Sounds like you are the one spinning it.


Do you agree with Romney that the President sympathizes with people who murder Americans?

 

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Romney Response to Egypt Embassy Attack Makes It Easy for Obama
by Peter Beinart Sep 13, 2012 6:02 AM EDT

The GOP candidate’s dreadful statements on the U.S. Embassy attack in Cairo make the president’s efforts to link him to Bush’s hyper-aggressive foreign policy laughably simple—and show Romney’s advisers have learned nothing from the past decade.

Hand it to President Obama. He really knows how to slip in the knife. On Wednesday, after Mitt Romney’s appalling response to the Egyptian embassy attacks, Obama told CBS’s 60 Minutes: “Governor Romney seems to have a tendency to shoot first and aim later.” As president, Obama said, it is important “to make sure that the statements that you make are backed up by the facts and that you’ve thought through the ramifications before you make them.”

If you think those comments were simply a reference to Romney, you’re wrong. They’re a sly effort to link Romney’s foreign policy style to George W. Bush’s, which is exactly what Obama did to John McCain. The amazing thing is that Romney makes it so easy.

Romney’s foreign policy views might be summed up as “Bushism without money.” Bush’s foreign policy, especially in his first term, consisted of a hyper-aggressive, hyper-expensive effort to use the 9/11 attacks to extend American dominance of the greater Middle East without much serious thinking about whether such an effort could succeed. Romney can’t continue that effort because Americans are sick of it and the federal coffers are empty. What’s left is bluster and apple pie. Romney rarely discusses how long he wants to continue the war in Afghanistan, for instance, but he constantly attacks Obama for apologizing too much and not believing in America.

The embassy response was a good example of this jingoism on the cheap. Before the Egyptian protests began, the U.S. Embassy in Cairo had issued a statement condemning a crudely Islamophobic movie that was stirring anger in the Middle East. “We firmly reject,” it declared, “the actions by those who abuse the universal right of free speech to hurt the religious beliefs of others.” Affirmation of free speech, check. Condemnation of bigotry, check. Sounds pretty reasonable to me. Then, 12 hours later, with rioters besieging the U.S. Embassy, the embassy tweeted: “This morning's condemnation (issued before protest began) still stands. As does our condemnation of unjustified breach of the Embassy.” This one’s debatable. One can argue that once the U.S. Embassy came under attack from violent thugs, reasserting the condemnation of the film was a mistake. On the other hand, the tweet also condemned the embassy attacks themselves, and given that embassy officials likely feared for their lives, they deserve a little slack. In any case, the Obama administration disavowed the tweet, and Secretary of State Clinton put out a well-modulated statement: “Some have sought to justify this vicious behavior as a response to inflammatory material posted on the Internet. The United States deplores any intentional effort to denigrate the religious beliefs of others. Our commitment to religious tolerance goes back to the very beginning of our nation. But let me be clear: There is never any justification for violent acts of this kind.”

At this point, Romney weighed in, declaring that “it’s disgraceful that the Obama administration’s first response was not to condemn attacks on our diplomatic missions, but to sympathize with those who waged the attacks.” Let us count the lies. First, both the Cairo embassy and Obama central did condemn the attacks. The only statement that didn’t was the one the embassy issued before the attacks began. Second, disavowing a bigoted film and sympathizing with those who use it to justify violence are not the same thing. The only substantive difference between the Obama and Romney responses is that Romney never acknowledged the bigotry of the film, which is hardly surprising given how liberally his own party has been indulging in anti-Muslim bigotry of its own.

The next day, Romney doubled down, saying that the Obama administration had issued a “statement effectively apologizing for the right of free speech.” Uh, no. Apologizing for a bigoted film and apologizing for the free speech that gives someone the right to make a bigoted film are two utterly different things.

So why did Romney issue this parade of idiocies? Because he’s trying to paint Obama as someone who won’t stand up for America. As he said in his press conference on the embassy attacks, America must have “confidence in our cause, a recognition that the principles America was based upon are not something we shrink from or apologize for.” Romney’s campaign book is even called No Apologies.

When Republican convention delegates cheer Clint Eastwood for condemning the war in Afghanistan, you know something has changed. But the people advising Romney haven’t changed.

For decades, this kind of thing worked. In 1972, Richard Nixon’s vice president, Spiro Agnew, chastised George McGovern for saying, “I would go to Hanoi and beg if I thought that would release the boys [held as prisoners of war] one day earlier.” At the 1984 Republican Convention, Jeane Kirkpatrick famously said that Democrats “blame America first.”

But it’s not working this time. Despite his bluster, Nixon withdrew American ground troops from Vietnam. Although Ronald Reagan talked like John Wayne, the only country he invaded was Grenada. By contrast, George W. Bush launched two disastrous wars, and in so doing gave GOP bluster a bad name. As early as 2004, John Kerry was mocking Bush’s faux-tough call for Iraqi insurgents to “bring it on.” In the 2008 debates, Obama mocked John McCain for singing “bomb, bomb, bomb” Iran.

You’d think Romney’s advisers would realize that in a country where thousands have died and tens of thousands have been maimed because a tough-talking Republican president got in over his head, mindless jingoism might not be the best campaign strategy. When Republican convention delegates cheer Clint Eastwood for condemning the war in Afghanistan, you know something in the country has changed. But the people advising Romney on foreign policy haven’t changed as a result of the last 10 years. Very few have publicly acknowledged the disasters they helped bring about. They’re basically pretending that the Bush years never happened and that Romney can play Reagan to Obama’s Carter or Nixon to Obama’s McGovern. That strategy is backfiring so badly that it may help cost Romney the presidency. It’s enough to make you believe in America.


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Na, no one should be outraged at what happen and i'm sure it was all just a big old misunderstanding. Not Poor old Obama's fault..........How dare that mean old rich man be critical of our savior.
Wait...are you insinuating that the violence in Libya is Obama's fault?



Who said it was his fault ? You know what, for the arguments sake lets say I am.......Am I to believe that our intelligence had absolutely no inkling of what could/was about to take place in Egypt, Libya or the middle east for that fact. Of all the days of the year we picked this one to not heighten security or anticipate that there may be some sort of attack? WE had no evidence of any sort to indicate the possibility that something could happen? So we for all intense and purposes took the day off.......Someone made that decision and it went up the chain for approval, so being the commander and chief yeah it could be argued that he is to blame. (all be it a huge stretch)

Now to answer your question, I don't see how Romney being out raged and critical of Obama's handling of the situation was something that would/should sink his campaign, hyperbole included......

The sad part is these people were killed over a youtube video......

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That was really not a very good post er....this isn't about Obama...this is about Romney speaking out about something for which he didn't have all the facts at the very time American's were dying. Obama is just fine but to do that demonstrates Romney's unbridled lust for the presidency without regard to American lives. Spin it any way you want, that's the long and the short of it.


Sounds like you are the one spinning it.


Do you agree with Romney that the President sympathizes with people who murder Americans?


"When did you stop beating your wife." He did not say the President "sympathizes with people who murder Americans." He said that the president should not be apologizing for things that offend Muslims such as the American value of free expression." I agree with this wholeheartedly as you saw from the "statement" I drafted at your request. There was no reason for the embassy to make such an idiotic tweet, which the administration obviously agreed with. There is never a reason to apologize to Middle Eastern Muslims because our constitutionally protected free speech leads to something that is offensive to them. To do that IS to apologize for our values and I think its wrong and harmful to our interests. Nor does it appease their anger anyway.

 

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Na, no one should be outraged at what happen and i'm sure it was all just a big old misunderstanding. Not Poor old Obama's fault..........How dare that mean old rich man be critical of our savior.
Wait...are you insinuating that the violence in Libya is Obama's fault?



Who said it was his fault ? You know what, for the arguments sake lets say I am.......Am I to believe that our intelligence had absolutely no inkling of what could/was about to take place in Egypt, Libya or the middle east for that fact. Of all the days of the year we picked this one to not heighten security or anticipate that there may be some sort of attack? WE had no evidence of any sort to indicate the possibility that something could happen? So we for all intense and purposes took the day off.......Someone made that decision and it went up the chain for approval, so being the commander and chief yeah it could be argued that he is to blame. (all be it a huge stretch)

Now to answer your question, I don't see how Romney being out raged and critical of Obama's handling of the situation was something that would/should sink his campaign, hyperbole included......
Have you been drinking? I still don't understand what this
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Na, no one should be outraged at what happen and i'm sure it was all just a big old misunderstanding. Not Poor old Obama's fault..........
means...To what are you referring when you say "what happen"? (Happened, maybe...) The violence or the response from the Embassy?

 

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That was really not a very good post er....this isn't about Obama...this is about Romney speaking out about something for which he didn't have all the facts at the very time American's were dying. Obama is just fine but to do that demonstrates Romney's unbridled lust for the presidency without regard to American lives. Spin it any way you want, that's the long and the short of it.


Sounds like you are the one spinning it.


Do you agree with Romney that the President sympathizes with people who murder Americans?


"When did you stop beating your wife." He did not say the President "sympathizes with people who murder Americans."


From the Romney statment - “It’s disgraceful that the Obama administration’s first response was not to condemn attacks on our diplomatic missions, but to sympathize with those who waged the attacks.”

Um, yeah. You are gonna parse that? LOL

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He said that the president should not be apologizing for things that offend Muslims such as the American value of free expression."


When did the President do that?

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There was no reason for the embassy to make such an idiotic tweet, which the administration obviously agreed with. There is never a reason to apologize to Middle Eastern Muslims because our constitutionally protected free speech leads to something that is offensive to them. To do that IS to apologize for our values and I think its wrong and harmful to our interests. Nor does it appease their anger anyway.


I thnk it's incredibly arrogant and kinda twisted that you continue to second guess those who were actually in that embassy. Do you even care that whoever made that statement might be dead? Let's put you in that same situation, you know, angry mob gathering outside, and see if you start with "Let's see...how can I make sure and not compromise American values..."

 

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Na, no one should be outraged at what happen and i'm sure it was all just a big old misunderstanding. Not Poor old Obama's fault..........How dare that mean old rich man be critical of our savior.
Wait...are you insinuating that the violence in Libya is Obama's fault?



Who said it was his fault ? You know what, for the arguments sake lets say I am.......Am I to believe that our intelligence had absolutely no inkling of what could/was about to take place in Egypt, Libya or the middle east for that fact. Of all the days of the year we picked this one to not heighten security or anticipate that there may be some sort of attack? WE had no evidence of any sort to indicate the possibility that something could happen? So we for all intense and purposes took the day off.......Someone made that decision and it went up the chain for approval, so being the commander and chief yeah it could be argued that he is to blame. (all be it a huge stretch)

Now to answer your question, I don't see how Romney being out raged and critical of Obama's handling of the situation was something that would/should sink his campaign, hyperbole included......
Have you been drinking? I still don't understand what this
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Na, no one should be outraged at what happen and i'm sure it was all just a big old misunderstanding. Not Poor old Obama's fault..........
means...To what are you referring when you say "what happen"? (Happened, maybe...) The violence or the response from the Embassy?




Oh wow, you showed me, yuk, yuk, happen or happened. You figure it out.

 

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Former President Carter's handling of the Iranian hostage crisis helped torpedo his reelection hopes. But when news broke in April 1980 that an attempt to rescue Americans held hostage at the Tehran embassy had failed, the immediate response from the campaign trail was more supportive than critical.

Former California Governor Ronald Reagan told reporters it wouldn't be appropriate for him to express an opinion at that time. "This is the time for us as a nation and a people to stand united" and to pray, Reagan said, according to United Press International.

George H.W. Bush, also campaigning for the Republican presidential nomination, went further. "I unequivocally support the president of the United States -- no ifs, ands or buts -- and it certainly is not a time to try to go one-up politically. He made a difficult, courageous decision," Bush said in Michigan, UPI reported.

From: http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/09/romneys-embassy-attack- response-in-2012-a-far-cry-from-reagan-in-1980/262298/




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Oh wow, you showed me, yuk, yuk, happen or happened. You figure it out.

Just a question dude. No reason to get so bruised...

 

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Oh wow, you showed me, yuk, yuk, happen or happened. You figure it out.

Just a question dude. No reason to get so bruised...


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Oh wow, you showed me, yuk, yuk, happen or happened. You figure it out.

Just a question dude. No reason to get so bruised...


Yer a bully.
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Oh wow, you showed me, yuk, yuk, happen or happened. You figure it out.

Just a question dude. No reason to get so bruised...


Yer a bully.


oh how cute.




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Oh wow, you showed me, yuk, yuk, happen or happened. You figure it out.

Just a question dude. No reason to get so bruised...


Yer a bully.
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IMO Romney has no class, no political instincts, no core, and no clue.

 

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  posted on 9/13/2012 at 02:47 PM
Even if you agree with Romney's sentiment, I think you have to say his comments were poorly timed and poorly stated. Sometimes the appropriate thing to do is just shut up.

[Edited on 9/13/2012 by bob1954]

 

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That was really not a very good post er....this isn't about Obama...this is about Romney speaking out about something for which he didn't have all the facts at the very time American's were dying. Obama is just fine but to do that demonstrates Romney's unbridled lust for the presidency without regard to American lives. Spin it any way you want, that's the long and the short of it.


Sounds like you are the one spinning it.


I'm really trying to not rip someone's head off today....do you really want to go there?

 

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Oh wow, you showed me, yuk, yuk, happen or happened. You figure it out.

Just a question dude. No reason to get so bruised...



Wasn't aware that I was anything other than done with my discussion with you.

 
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