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  posted on 9/17/2012 at 07:02 AM
http://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2012/09/15/gop-activists-to-ro mney-why-arent-you-winning

 

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  posted on 9/17/2012 at 08:53 AM
The reason Romney isnít winning is because of the GOP primary and the candidates who tried their hand. The party put forth every version of oddity against Romney and he simply ran them to ground with his money. At one point Michelle Bachman was the favorite and if Rick Perry hadnít entered the race she way have emerged as the candidate. Mitt Romney barely held his own in this field of lunacy during the debates. To try and win a debate with Perry Romney offered him a $10,000 bet. That should have sent up a red flag but the candidates plus all the pundits on the right kept insisting that anyone could beat Obama.
 

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  posted on 9/17/2012 at 09:25 AM
Romney in 2012 is like Kerry in 2004...it just ain't gonna happen, no matter how much you'd like to see the incumbent gone.

 

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  posted on 9/17/2012 at 09:41 AM
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Romney in 2012 is like Kerry in 2004...it just ain't gonna happen, no matter how much you'd like to see the incumbent gone.


This is a good comparison but the Dems were solidly behind Kerry where a lot of the GOP still has doubts about Romney.


 

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  posted on 9/17/2012 at 09:48 AM
I don't know, Swifty. I don't recall much love for Kerry; there WAS a lot of "anyone except Bush" that is mirrored by today's "anyone but Obama." Kerry and Romney share an incredible stiffness, utterly tone deaf to the way real humans speak and interact.

 

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  posted on 9/17/2012 at 09:52 AM
Obviously, it's fixed. It's not rocket science.

You have no choice. Your vote is meaningless.

 

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  posted on 9/17/2012 at 01:19 PM
Unfortunately, it is fixed....the GOP is pulling out all the stops to surpress voter participation in swing states. As I've said before, if they can't win fair and square, they'll win any way they can. I'm not sure this country could survive another supreme court appointed president.

 

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  posted on 9/17/2012 at 01:47 PM
Yep, just a great big GOP conspiracy................ Pick the stiffest, most unlikable person you can and then the most divisive person they could as VP, I'd hardly call that the recipe for a successful conspiracy........


If you cannot get an ID in, at the time this transpired, 3months, then you had no intention of voting in the first place.......spare the excuses we've all beat that horse already.

 

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  posted on 9/17/2012 at 02:44 PM
Obama is not winning. But Given the horrific conditions and awful Obama job performance it seems Romney should be comfortably ahead rather than scratching within the margin of error in all the polls. There is a long way to go until election day. I still think that Romney will win and a lot easier than people think. If Obama ends up winning given the external conditions and the electorate's assessment of his job performance then we will need to recalibrate all the things that history tells us and look at totally new factors.

 

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  posted on 9/17/2012 at 02:56 PM
Maybe in some circles Romney is winning, but not in the ones I frequent. Romney doesn't stand for anything, he's not a very bright man outside of his comfort zone and he's trying to appeal to only the most zealot in the party. If John Huntsman had received the nomination it would be a whole different race.

 

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  posted on 9/17/2012 at 03:19 PM
Romney is losing because he is as phony as a 3 dollar bill and people notice it. We aren't stupid. He is coreless, out of touch with ordinary people, and has zero political instincts constantly spouting off before he even knows what he is talking about. He will be a disaster both domestically and abroad if elected. His job at Bain was never to create jobs it was to create as much profit for Bain as possible. All economic experts have said his economic plans do not add up. He says reduced spending, balanced budgets, and debt reduction out of one side of his mouth while saying even further tax cuts for the wealthiest plus increased military spending out of the other side of his mouth. With all that what the hell is he gonna cut to balance the budget and reduce the debt and how will that adversely affect the middle class????? Romney has already embarracced himself on more than one occasion when it comes to foreign affairs. His policies almost mirror Bush's which is more than scary!!! His greatest accomplishment as governor of Mass was getting Obamacare, oh I mean Romneycare passed. He was something like 47th in the country in job creation. He lowered taxes but raised fees on everything under the sun to make up the difference which was like not lowering taxes at all which he will probably do for the whole country if he gets elected. There is nothing about him that I like.

 

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  posted on 9/17/2012 at 03:54 PM
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I don't know, Swifty. I don't recall much love for Kerry; there WAS a lot of "anyone except Bush" that is mirrored by today's "anyone but Obama." Kerry and Romney share an incredible stiffness, utterly tone deaf to the way real humans speak and interact.



There are strong similarities between the two that you note but there are also contrasts not so much in personality but in the environment. Romney's assent was very different than Kerry's in the primaries. Remember that we are looking at this amazement by conservatives that Romney will likely lose. One of the ways to have ensured a possible victory was to have had more normality in the primaries. They tried with Rick Perry and discovered he was a ringer but then they gave up and the primaries ended up being very Monty Pythony.

All I am saying is that the Party deserves some responsibility for Romney being the candidate. I don't know what they could have done but I bet the primary process is the first thing they look at if Romney loses. There is a lot of looking for a precedent whenever some kind of anomaly needs to be explained. Yes, we are nutty today but the Dems were just as nutty with Kerry. This kind of thinking will not help the GOP.

Frank Rich spent a week listening to conservative media. The views of Romney away from Fox are very interesting.


http://nymag.com/news/frank-rich/right-wing-media-2012-9/

 

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  posted on 9/17/2012 at 04:46 PM
Just to clarify, no one's won or lost anything at the moment........unless you live your life by polls.

carry on

[Edited on 9/17/2012 by er1016]

 

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  posted on 9/17/2012 at 04:54 PM
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Just to clarify, no one's won or lost anything at the moment........unless you live your life by polls.

carry on

[Edited on 9/17/2012 by er1016]


If on November 7 the results of the election reflect current polling, will you admit that the polls were accurate & credible?

 

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All I am saying is that the Party deserves some responsibility for Romney being the candidate. I don't know what they could have done but I bet the primary process is the first thing they look at if Romney loses. There is a lot of looking for a precedent whenever some kind of anomaly needs to be explained. Yes, we are nutty today but the Dems were just as nutty with Kerry. This kind of thinking will not help the GOP.




Huntsman was too moderate for the Repubs., Perry destroyed himself, Herman drove the train off the tracks, Bachmann was & will never be taken seriously with her conspiracy and extreme right wing rhetoric. That left Mitt pretty much in command with deep pockets, and he carpet bombed both Newt & Santorum once they became threats. It was a pretty easy primary all in all. Mitt didn't have to do much at the debates. In the end, between his wallet and the weak cast of characters, it pretty much fell into his lap.

Bottom line - the party got what it paid for. And now the party is paying the price. I doubt any of the others could have done any better.

 

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  posted on 9/17/2012 at 05:14 PM
You're right about Huntsman...and the rest...but it's a shame the party is so splintered that they couldn't actually get someone like Huntsman who might actually have pulled some votes from Obama. As it is now, the only choice is Obama unless you want to vote for the bat sh*t crazy faction of the GOP and their outrageous policies.

 

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  posted on 9/17/2012 at 05:59 PM
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Unfortunately, it is fixed....the GOP is pulling out all the stops to surpress voter participation in swing states. As I've said before, if they can't win fair and square, they'll win any way they can. I'm not sure this country could survive another supreme court appointed president.

Perhaps Romney will declare martial law.

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  posted on 9/17/2012 at 06:04 PM
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Just to clarify, no one's won or lost anything at the moment........unless you live your life by polls.

carry on

[Edited on 9/17/2012 by er1016]


In the article (if you bothered to read it), it's the GOP's own activists that are saying to Romney, "Why aren't you winning?"

Carry on.



[Edited on 9/17/2012 by woodsdweller]

 

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  posted on 9/17/2012 at 06:18 PM
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Romney in 2012 is like Kerry in 2004...it just ain't gonna happen, no matter how much you'd like to see the incumbent gone.


There is still a long time left, but the way I see it the true Obama haters are already going to vote for Romney (or Johnson). It is unlikely that he will change their minds by continuing to try to hammer Obama. A lot of people just don't believe the right-wing propaganda anymore, and those that do were never going to vote for Obama anyway. I don't think Romney is going to pick up any more votes than he already has going purely from the anti-Obama crowd. Those votes are already accounted for. If he wants to pick up more votes he needs to do it on his own and earn those votes. He tried to make himself at the convention look like Mr. Nice Everyday Guy who came from humble roots, and I don't think people bought it. His only hope, in my opinion, is to put forth a plan that people will believe, that people think is workable, that will make everyday voter's life better. If he did that, he could move votes into his column. If he has such a plan, people sure don't know about it. He needs to sell himself as the person who will make their life better. People already know what they are getting with Obama. He needs to let people know what they will get from him (something more than I'm the guy who isn't Obama). Maybe the debates will help him do this, but at this point it looks like an uphill climb for him. I can't think of a single incumbent, even one that is hated by a good chunk of the population, that was voted out unless the opponent had strong ideas and offered something completely different. The last two people to beat an incumbent president, Reagan and Clinton, offered big changes from the sitting president and were good communicators. They drew crossover votes from the other party. Romney doesn't seem to offer those things. Romney seems to have more in common with Kerry and Dole than he has with Reagan and Clinton.

 

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  posted on 9/17/2012 at 06:23 PM
Romney is getting his ass handed to him. He's behind in most of the swing states where the election will ultimately be decided. Obama is schooling him. After Obama disembowels him in the debates Obama's lead will be 7 or 8%. I use to think this election will be close but with Romney being exposed on a daily basis for the habitual liar and sociopath that he is, I'm pretty sure Obama will win quite comfortably when all is said and done.

 

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  posted on 9/17/2012 at 06:26 PM
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Romney seems to have more in common with Kerry and Dole than he has with Reagan and Clinton.

Romney has more in common with Obama than he has with Reagan or Clinton. Both Reagan and Clinton had sufficient leadership skills to find common ground, bridge gaps, and get things done in the face of adversity. Obama has shown that he does not possess that skill, and I strongly suspect Romney does not either. In addition, in spite of what they say in campaign speeches I think their policies are fundamentally the same as each other: spend and go to war.

 

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  posted on 9/17/2012 at 07:03 PM
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Both Reagan and Clinton had sufficient leadership skills to find common ground, bridge gaps, and get things done in the face of adversity. Obama has shown that he does not possess that skill, and I strongly suspect Romney does not either.


Those days are gone. Long gone. The GOP did not at any time have any interest in common ground or getting things done. This is well documented.

 

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Both Reagan and Clinton had sufficient leadership skills to find common ground, bridge gaps, and get things done in the face of adversity. Obama has shown that he does not possess that skill, and I strongly suspect Romney does not either.


Those days are gone. Long gone. The GOP did not at any time have any interest in common ground or getting things done. This is well documented.


It would be interesting if Obama wins reelection and the GOP takes control of both the house and senate. That would probably be the only way that both sides will be forced to look for common ground.

 

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  posted on 9/17/2012 at 07:48 PM
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Obama is not winning. But Given the horrific conditions and awful Obama job performance it seems Romney should be comfortably ahead rather than scratching within the margin of error in all the polls. There is a long way to go until election day. I still think that Romney will win and a lot easier than people think. If Obama ends up winning given the external conditions and the electorate's assessment of his job performance then we will need to recalibrate all the things that history tells us and look at totally new factors.



There are a lot Red states full of people out there that don't seem to respect thoughtful, intelligent, well-spoken leadership, so I certainly will not get complacent about this election, but my gut tells me Obama will have little trouble. The polling stunts aimed at keeping poor minorities away may offer some help to the GOP in key counties, but in the end they won't matter. I just don't feel any enthusiasm among moderate voters that may otherwise be inclined to go republican if the candidate had anything to offer. As Pete said, Romney has nothing. The Obama haters can harp all they want on the slow recovery of the economy, but many folks are better off or are at least seeing some stabilization in their financial situation compared to where things were in 2008. Anything that went bad in 2009, most are smart enough to realize had little to do with Obama. Fuji's single issue mentality (debt, etc.), although potentially a huge concern, doesn't resonate for most Americans today. Many have lived with and in massive debt due to school loans, credit cards, or medical bills. It has been hard, but they've found ways out or have come to terms with going under and are still fortunate enough with their time and $$ to concern themselves with social issues and humanness of a leader, one that will ease those burdens for everyday folks. It may be a laundry list of populist promises, but I think many finally believe it is the right time to try. They don't want policies that will drive us back into 2007-2009 conditions.

Obama has a brilliantly run campaign and he is going to crush Romney in the debates.

 

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  posted on 9/17/2012 at 07:50 PM
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Just to clarify, no one's won or lost anything at the moment........unless you live your life by polls.

carry on

[Edited on 9/17/2012 by er1016]


In the article (if you bothered to read it), it's the GOP's own activists that are saying to Romney, "Why aren't you winning?"

Carry on.



[Edited on 9/17/2012 by woodsdweller]


A republican activist made a comment that I guess (assume) validates your pick for who's gonna win the election , congratulations! You must be so proud.

[Edited on 9/18/2012 by er1016]

 
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