Don't click or your IP will be banned


Hittin' The Web with the Allman Brothers Band Forum
You are not logged in

< Last Thread   Next Thread ><<  1    2  >>Ascending sortDescending sorting  
Author: Subject: Romney secret video at elite fundraiser

Maximum Peach





Posts: 7949
(8019 all sites)
Registered: 12/24/2001
Status: Offline

  posted on 9/18/2012 at 12:09 PM
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/49070245#49070245

This cant be good. Ah it must be good to be part of the 1% though

 
Replies:

Zen Peach



Karma:
Posts: 46751
(46752 all sites)
Registered: 7/8/2004
Status: Offline

  posted on 9/18/2012 at 12:38 PM
It's awesome that this came out. The honesty is very refreshing.

 

____________________
"Live every week like it's Shark Week." - Tracy Jordan

 

Extreme Peach



Karma:
Posts: 1382
(1382 all sites)
Registered: 3/27/2004
Status: Offline

  posted on 9/18/2012 at 01:09 PM
quote:
It's awesome that this came out. The honesty is very refreshing.


agreed. And his more or less standing behind the comments is the most respectful thing I've seen him do in this whole campaign.

 

Maximum Peach



Karma:
Posts: 8384
(8385 all sites)
Registered: 3/22/2006
Status: Offline

  posted on 9/18/2012 at 01:12 PM
quote:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/49070245#49070245

This cant be good. Ah it must be good to be part of the 1% though

Here's the irony; the obvious failure and poor trajectory of current policies won't help the 99%, or the 47% not paying taxes. Anyone thinking that a govt-centered society offers more for the average person must be thoroughly dismissive of economic history over the last 100 years. Capitalism and free markets may be far from perfect, but they have given more people more opportunity to better themselves than any system yet devised.

 

____________________
Obamacare: To insure the uninsured, we first make the insured
uninsured and then make them pay more to be insured again,
so the original uninsured can be insured for free.

 

Extreme Peach



Karma:
Posts: 998
(1012 all sites)
Registered: 3/28/2004
Status: Offline

  posted on 9/18/2012 at 01:20 PM
CNBC has a poll going on. As of now, with over 10000 respondents, 75% agree with Romney. FWIW.
 

Extreme Peach



Karma:
Posts: 1382
(1382 all sites)
Registered: 3/27/2004
Status: Offline

  posted on 9/18/2012 at 01:29 PM
quote:
quote:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/49070245#49070245

This cant be good. Ah it must be good to be part of the 1% though

Here's the irony; the obvious failure and poor trajectory of current policies won't help the 99%, or the 47% not paying taxes. Anyone thinking that a govt-centered society offers more for the average person must be thoroughly dismissive of economic history over the last 100 years. Capitalism and free markets may be far from perfect, but they have given more people more opportunity to better themselves than any system yet devised.



And Obama intends to end capitalism and our free-market society???? This type of rhetoric is free-market extremism. And that is what pulls on the other end of the rope from communism. Both visions fail the evolution of civilization. It is finding the balance of semi-regulated business, as carried out by an invested citizen government that creates progress. And to look at those last 100 years of which you speak, had it not been for progressive governmental oversight, we would still have abysmal working conditions in factories, meat that is unsafe to eat, medicine that isn't trustworthy (some still isn't), children on the assembly line, as well as countless other health concerns due to polluted air and water. There would also have never been a number of thriving businesses that rely on the interstate highway system and other public works. It is a give and take that allows for progress.

 

Zen Peach



Karma:
Posts: 27533
(27822 all sites)
Registered: 2/18/2006
Status: Offline

  posted on 9/18/2012 at 01:44 PM
quote:
CNBC has a poll going on. As of now, with over 10000 respondents, 75% agree with Romney. FWIW.


I'm not surprised. The rest of the people are out actually working and don't have time to take the poll.

Seriously, doesn't this illustrates how the right has managed to divide this country by declaring there is class warfare going on and if we're not in the top percentage of earners we must be leeches trying to take their money?

 

____________________
Sometimes we can't choose the music life gives us - but we damn sure can choose how we dance!


 

Zen Peach



Karma:
Posts: 46751
(46752 all sites)
Registered: 7/8/2004
Status: Offline

  posted on 9/18/2012 at 01:53 PM
quote:
quote:
CNBC has a poll going on. As of now, with over 10000 respondents, 75% agree with Romney. FWIW.


I'm not surprised. The rest of the people are out actually working and don't have time to take the poll.

Seriously, doesn't this illustrates how the right has managed to divide this country by declaring there is class warfare going on and if we're not in the top percentage of earners we must be leeches trying to take their money?


No, that's not class warfare. That's the "truth." Saying anything at all about anyone over a certain income level, that's "class warfare."

When the declarations are pointed up - class warfare. When the declarations are pointed down - truth.

 

____________________
"Live every week like it's Shark Week." - Tracy Jordan

 

Zen Peach



Karma:
Posts: 20943
(20942 all sites)
Registered: 6/15/2005
Status: Offline

  posted on 9/18/2012 at 02:03 PM
quote:
quote:
quote:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/49070245#49070245

This cant be good. Ah it must be good to be part of the 1% though

Here's the irony; the obvious failure and poor trajectory of current policies won't help the 99%, or the 47% not paying taxes. Anyone thinking that a govt-centered society offers more for the average person must be thoroughly dismissive of economic history over the last 100 years. Capitalism and free markets may be far from perfect, but they have given more people more opportunity to better themselves than any system yet devised.



And Obama intends to end capitalism and our free-market society???? This type of rhetoric is free-market extremism. And that is what pulls on the other end of the rope from communism. Both visions fail the evolution of civilization. It is finding the balance of semi-regulated business, as carried out by an invested citizen government that creates progress. And to look at those last 100 years of which you speak, had it not been for progressive governmental oversight, we would still have abysmal working conditions in factories, meat that is unsafe to eat, medicine that isn't trustworthy (some still isn't), children on the assembly line, as well as countless other health concerns due to polluted air and water. There would also have never been a number of thriving businesses that rely on the interstate highway system and other public works. It is a give and take that allows for progress.


No but his class based rhetoric and policies depress it. No believer in free enterprise, Keynesian or otherwise, would call to raise taxes in this atmosphere. It's a totally stupid idea that will send the country spiraling back into recession if he does it. Few today are arguing there should be no government oversight.

 

____________________

 

Zen Peach



Karma:
Posts: 27533
(27822 all sites)
Registered: 2/18/2006
Status: Offline

  posted on 9/18/2012 at 02:05 PM
I'm not a multi-millionaire and I'm just fine with taxes returning to the pre-Bush tax cut rates. If I'm willing to pay more at my financial end of the spectrum, what's wrong with the people who have the most paying more? Seems as if they just got used to sucking the hind teet and want the milk to keep flowing freely. Doesn't say much for their character as far as I'm concerned.

 

____________________
Sometimes we can't choose the music life gives us - but we damn sure can choose how we dance!


 

Zen Peach



Karma:
Posts: 46751
(46752 all sites)
Registered: 7/8/2004
Status: Offline

  posted on 9/18/2012 at 02:10 PM
quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/49070245#49 070245

This cant be good. Ah it must be good to be part of the 1% though

Here's the irony; the obvious failure and poor trajectory of current policies won't help the 99%, or the 47% not paying taxes. Anyone thinking that a govt-centered society offers more for the average person must be thoroughly dismissive of economic history over the last 100 years. Capitalism and free markets may be far from perfect, but they have given more people more opportunity to better themselves than any system yet devised.



And Obama intends to end capitalism and our free-market society???? This type of rhetoric is free-market extremism. And that is what pulls on the other end of the rope from communism. Both visions fail the evolution of civilization. It is finding the balance of semi-regulated business, as carried out by an invested citizen government that creates progress. And to look at those last 100 years of which you speak, had it not been for progressive governmental oversight, we would still have abysmal working conditions in factories, meat that is unsafe to eat, medicine that isn't trustworthy (some still isn't), children on the assembly line, as well as countless other health concerns due to polluted air and water. There would also have never been a number of thriving businesses that rely on the interstate highway system and other public works. It is a give and take that allows for progress.


No but his class based rhetoric and policies depress it. No believer in free enterprise, Keynesian or otherwise, would call to raise taxes in this atmosphere. It's a totally stupid idea that will send the country spiraling back into recession if he does it. Few today are arguing there should be no government oversight.


So it's cool that Mitt Romney takes a $77,000 deduction on his dressage horse?

 

____________________
"Live every week like it's Shark Week." - Tracy Jordan

 

Zen Peach



Karma:
Posts: 20943
(20942 all sites)
Registered: 6/15/2005
Status: Offline

  posted on 9/18/2012 at 02:25 PM
quote:
I'm not a multi-millionaire and I'm just fine with taxes returning to the pre-Bush tax cut rates. If I'm willing to pay more at my financial end of the spectrum, what's wrong with the people who have the most paying more? Seems as if they just got used to sucking the hind teet and want the milk to keep flowing freely. Doesn't say much for their character as far as I'm concerned.


You miss the point. It will send the economy back into recession. Keynes would be the first to say this.

 

____________________

 

Peach Extraordinaire



Karma:
Posts: 4114
(4120 all sites)
Registered: 10/5/2004
Status: Offline

  posted on 9/18/2012 at 02:26 PM
quote:
quote:
quote:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/49070245#49070245

This cant be good. Ah it must be good to be part of the 1% though

Here's the irony; the obvious failure and poor trajectory of current policies won't help the 99%, or the 47% not paying taxes. Anyone thinking that a govt-centered society offers more for the average person must be thoroughly dismissive of economic history over the last 100 years. Capitalism and free markets may be far from perfect, but they have given more people more opportunity to better themselves than any system yet devised.



And Obama intends to end capitalism and our free-market society???? This type of rhetoric is free-market extremism. And that is what pulls on the other end of the rope from communism. Both visions fail the evolution of civilization. It is finding the balance of semi-regulated business, as carried out by an invested citizen government that creates progress. And to look at those last 100 years of which you speak, had it not been for progressive governmental oversight, we would still have abysmal working conditions in factories, meat that is unsafe to eat, medicine that isn't trustworthy (some still isn't), children on the assembly line, as well as countless other health concerns due to polluted air and water. There would also have never been a number of thriving businesses that rely on the interstate highway system and other public works. It is a give and take that allows for progress.


This is just way too logical for some who will read this post. You destroy their very argument.

 

Zen Peach



Karma:
Posts: 20943
(20942 all sites)
Registered: 6/15/2005
Status: Offline

  posted on 9/18/2012 at 02:28 PM
quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/49070 245#49070245

This cant be good. Ah it must be good to be part of the 1% though

Here's the irony; the obvious failure and poor trajectory of current policies won't help the 99%, or the 47% not paying taxes. Anyone thinking that a govt-centered society offers more for the average person must be thoroughly dismissive of economic history over the last 100 years. Capitalism and free markets may be far from perfect, but they have given more people more opportunity to better themselves than any system yet devised.



And Obama intends to end capitalism and our free-market society???? This type of rhetoric is free-market extremism. And that is what pulls on the other end of the rope from communism. Both visions fail the evolution of civilization. It is finding the balance of semi-regulated business, as carried out by an invested citizen government that creates progress. And to look at those last 100 years of which you speak, had it not been for progressive governmental oversight, we would still have abysmal working conditions in factories, meat that is unsafe to eat, medicine that isn't trustworthy (some still isn't), children on the assembly line, as well as countless other health concerns due to polluted air and water. There would also have never been a number of thriving businesses that rely on the interstate highway system and other public works. It is a give and take that allows for progress.


No but his class based rhetoric and policies depress it. No believer in free enterprise, Keynesian or otherwise, would call to raise taxes in this atmosphere. It's a totally stupid idea that will send the country spiraling back into recession if he does it. Few today are arguing there should be no government oversight.


So it's cool that Mitt Romney takes a $77,000 deduction on his dressage horse?


Utterly irrelevant transgression. I am talking about rates and you are talking about deductions. If it is legal for Romney to do it under the current law then there is nothing wrong with him for doing it. Should the tax code be reformed and simplified to eliminate a lot of these deductions? Quite possibly. Has Obama proposed any comprehensive tax reform? No. Certainly not unless it includes the raising of marginal rates. The last comprehensive tax reform in 1986 (which was bi-partisan) reduced marginal rates and eliminated a multitude of deductions. The result was great economic growth.

 

____________________

 

Zen Peach



Karma:
Posts: 20116
(20176 all sites)
Registered: 2/9/2006
Status: Offline

  posted on 9/18/2012 at 02:29 PM
quote:
Seems as if they just got used to sucking the hind teet and want the milk to keep flowing freely.


Are you describing an Obama voter who has become accustomed to Gov't hand outs here?....

 

____________________

 

Zen Peach



Karma:
Posts: 46751
(46752 all sites)
Registered: 7/8/2004
Status: Offline

  posted on 9/18/2012 at 02:32 PM
quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp /49070245#49070245

This cant be good. Ah it must be good to be part of the 1% though

Here's the irony; the obvious failure and poor trajectory of current policies won't help the 99%, or the 47% not paying taxes. Anyone thinking that a govt-centered society offers more for the average person must be thoroughly dismissive of economic history over the last 100 years. Capitalism and free markets may be far from perfect, but they have given more people more opportunity to better themselves than any system yet devised.



And Obama intends to end capitalism and our free-market society???? This type of rhetoric is free-market extremism. And that is what pulls on the other end of the rope from communism. Both visions fail the evolution of civilization. It is finding the balance of semi-regulated business, as carried out by an invested citizen government that creates progress. And to look at those last 100 years of which you speak, had it not been for progressive governmental oversight, we would still have abysmal working conditions in factories, meat that is unsafe to eat, medicine that isn't trustworthy (some still isn't), children on the assembly line, as well as countless other health concerns due to polluted air and water. There would also have never been a number of thriving businesses that rely on the interstate highway system and other public works. It is a give and take that allows for progress.


No but his class based rhetoric and policies depress it. No believer in free enterprise, Keynesian or otherwise, would call to raise taxes in this atmosphere. It's a totally stupid idea that will send the country spiraling back into recession if he does it. Few today are arguing there should be no government oversight.


So it's cool that Mitt Romney takes a $77,000 deduction on his dressage horse?


Utterly irrelevant transgression. I am talking about rates and you are talking about deductions. If it is legal for Romney to do it under the current law then there is nothing wrong with him for doing it. Should the tax code be reformed and simplified to eliminate a lot of these deductions? Quite possibly. Has Obama proposed any comprehensive tax reform? No. Certainly not unless it includes the raising of marginal rates. The last comprehensive tax reform in 1986 (which was bi-partisan) reduced marginal rates and eliminated a multitude of deductions. The result was great economic growth.


Whoa. Under Obama, the Bush Tax Cuts have continued. They remain the tax law of the land. That's not a good thing either?

 

____________________
"Live every week like it's Shark Week." - Tracy Jordan

 

Zen Peach



Karma:
Posts: 27533
(27822 all sites)
Registered: 2/18/2006
Status: Offline

  posted on 9/18/2012 at 02:59 PM
quote:
quote:
Seems as if they just got used to sucking the hind teet and want the milk to keep flowing freely.


Are you describing an Obama voter who has become accustomed to Gov't hand outs here?....


No, I'm describing the corporate welfare recipients and the wealthy among us who want to keep the tax cuts they were given under Bush.

 

____________________
Sometimes we can't choose the music life gives us - but we damn sure can choose how we dance!


 

Zen Peach



Karma:
Posts: 20943
(20942 all sites)
Registered: 6/15/2005
Status: Offline

  posted on 9/18/2012 at 03:07 PM
quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134 540/vp/49070245#49070245

This cant be good. Ah it must be good to be part of the 1% though

Here's the irony; the obvious failure and poor trajectory of current policies won't help the 99%, or the 47% not paying taxes. Anyone thinking that a govt-centered society offers more for the average person must be thoroughly dismissive of economic history over the last 100 years. Capitalism and free markets may be far from perfect, but they have given more people more opportunity to better themselves than any system yet devised.





And Obama intends to end capitalism and our free-market society???? This type of rhetoric is free-market extremism. And that is what pulls on the other end of the rope from communism. Both visions fail the evolution of civilization. It is finding the balance of semi-regulated business, as carried out by an invested citizen government that creates progress. And to look at those last 100 years of which you speak, had it not been for progressive governmental oversight, we would still have abysmal working conditions in factories, meat that is unsafe to eat, medicine that isn't trustworthy (some still isn't), children on the assembly line, as well as countless other health concerns due to polluted air and water. There would also have never been a number of thriving businesses that rely on the interstate highway system and other public works. It is a give and take that allows for progress.


No but his class based rhetoric and policies depress it. No believer in free enterprise, Keynesian or otherwise, would call to raise taxes in this atmosphere. It's a totally stupid idea that will send the country spiraling back into recession if he does it. Few today are arguing there should be no government oversight.


So it's cool that Mitt Romney takes a $77,000 deduction on his dressage horse?


Utterly irrelevant transgression. I am talking about rates and you are talking about deductions. If it is legal for Romney to do it under the current law then there is nothing wrong with him for doing it. Should the tax code be reformed and simplified to eliminate a lot of these deductions? Quite possibly. Has Obama proposed any comprehensive tax reform? No. Certainly not unless it includes the raising of marginal rates. The last comprehensive tax reform in 1986 (which was bi-partisan) reduced marginal rates and eliminated a multitude of deductions. The result was great economic growth.


Whoa. Under Obama, the Bush Tax Cuts have continued. They remain the tax law of the land. That's not a good thing either?


To me that is a good thing. To Obama? Definitely not. He intended to end them, was forced by his own party to continue them before the 2010 election and has now promised again to end them. To raise them now would be insane.

 

____________________

 

Zen Peach



Karma:
Posts: 16027
(16019 all sites)
Registered: 10/13/2007
Status: Offline

  posted on 9/18/2012 at 03:12 PM
quote:
quote:
Seems as if they just got used to sucking the hind teet and want the milk to keep flowing freely.


Are you describing an Obama voter who has become accustomed to Gov't hand outs here?....


I think she's describing the government.

 

Zen Peach



Karma:
Posts: 20116
(20176 all sites)
Registered: 2/9/2006
Status: Offline

  posted on 9/18/2012 at 03:13 PM
quote:
quote:
quote:
Seems as if they just got used to sucking the hind teet and want the milk to keep flowing freely.


Are you describing an Obama voter who has become accustomed to Gov't hand outs here?....


No, I'm describing the corporate welfare recipients and the wealthy among us who want to keep the tax cuts they were given under Bush.


Could have fooled me.

 

____________________

 

Maximum Peach



Karma:
Posts: 8384
(8385 all sites)
Registered: 3/22/2006
Status: Offline

  posted on 9/18/2012 at 03:19 PM
quote:
quote:
quote:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/49070245#49070245

This cant be good. Ah it must be good to be part of the 1% though

Here's the irony; the obvious failure and poor trajectory of current policies won't help the 99%, or the 47% not paying taxes. Anyone thinking that a govt-centered society offers more for the average person must be thoroughly dismissive of economic history over the last 100 years. Capitalism and free markets may be far from perfect, but they have given more people more opportunity to better themselves than any system yet devised.



And Obama intends to end capitalism and our free-market society???? This type of rhetoric is free-market extremism. And that is what pulls on the other end of the rope from communism. Both visions fail the evolution of civilization. It is finding the balance of semi-regulated business, as carried out by an invested citizen government that creates progress. And to look at those last 100 years of which you speak, had it not been for progressive governmental oversight, we would still have abysmal working conditions in factories, meat that is unsafe to eat, medicine that isn't trustworthy (some still isn't), children on the assembly line, as well as countless other health concerns due to polluted air and water. There would also have never been a number of thriving businesses that rely on the interstate highway system and other public works. It is a give and take that allows for progress.

If you can't see that Obama's economic preference is for centralized control, then little I can say will disuade you. It may not be socialism, but it's sure not capitalism either. All his bluster about "fairness" means whatever he and his advisors determine is fair for the moment, shifting the goalposts to fit the current whim. Why do you think business is holding back investment in the US? One of the biggest reasons is that they can no longer look more than a year or so out and determine what their taxes or regulations will be. FDR did the same nonsense during the Depression - worse in fact - with his NRA writing and re-writing business rules constantly. Do we really need to replay the Depression in order to re-learn those lessons?

Tell us; what actions will be necessary to achieve "an economy built to last"? Or "an economy built from the bottom up and the middle out"? Not in flowery political rhetoric - but in real, actionable steps. Who runs that program? Who is the mastermind designing that plan?

The lofty rhetoric about regulation is misplaced if intended to give credit for societal betterment to only one side of the political spectrum. To think that an advancing, affluent society would not put in provisions to keep itself healthy, to protect it's children, and to improve it's various conditions is a bit of a stretch. However, on the main we agree in this regard. But it's easy to be proud of past successes when the society was gaining in wealth and power. Avoiding decline, and the reversal of those advances, should be the current focus. I don't believe the President has a remote clue of how to do that in any way that doesn't first include political control. God help us, if current or past history is any guide to the outcomes of that path..

Using the interstate highway system to support the debate can work both ways. First; it was conceived and justified as a national defense project after our generals saw the efficiency of the autobahns in Germany after WWII. Second; it was easy to sell to the people as it's benefits were obviously broad and equally applied to almost all. That's where the alignment falls off the tracks.

Where does our President offer economic ideas that are broadly accepted and equally beneficial to all? He had a chance to prove that with almost $1 trillion in his first Stimulus. Less than a quarter of it went to infrastrusture. Most of the balance went to cronies, unsustainable make-work, or political featherbedding. He farmed-out most of the spending to Congress, that world renowned group of fiscal geniuses. Now he asks for another half trillion to try again in his "jobs act". Should we be so stupid as to trust him? Can we afford more unsustainable govt jobs that take from govt coffers instead of adding to it?

The majority of his campaign and governance have been about pitting one group against another. He deserves exactly the divisiveness that choice has brought.

 

____________________
Obamacare: To insure the uninsured, we first make the insured
uninsured and then make them pay more to be insured again,
so the original uninsured can be insured for free.

 

True Peach



Karma:
Posts: 14590
(14590 all sites)
Registered: 3/28/2006
Status: Offline

  posted on 9/18/2012 at 03:20 PM
quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/49070245#49 070245

This cant be good. Ah it must be good to be part of the 1% though

Here's the irony; the obvious failure and poor trajectory of current policies won't help the 99%, or the 47% not paying taxes. Anyone thinking that a govt-centered society offers more for the average person must be thoroughly dismissive of economic history over the last 100 years. Capitalism and free markets may be far from perfect, but they have given more people more opportunity to better themselves than any system yet devised.



And Obama intends to end capitalism and our free-market society???? This type of rhetoric is free-market extremism. And that is what pulls on the other end of the rope from communism. Both visions fail the evolution of civilization. It is finding the balance of semi-regulated business, as carried out by an invested citizen government that creates progress. And to look at those last 100 years of which you speak, had it not been for progressive governmental oversight, we would still have abysmal working conditions in factories, meat that is unsafe to eat, medicine that isn't trustworthy (some still isn't), children on the assembly line, as well as countless other health concerns due to polluted air and water. There would also have never been a number of thriving businesses that rely on the interstate highway system and other public works. It is a give and take that allows for progress.


No but his class based rhetoric and policies depress it. No believer in free enterprise, Keynesian or otherwise, would call to raise taxes in this atmosphere. It's a totally stupid idea that will send the country spiraling back into recession if he does it. Few today are arguing there should be no government oversight.



Instead Romney is calling for even further tax cuts for the most wealthy while cutting government programs and raising fees on all kinds of things that benefit the middle class and poor which in effect will be a tax increase for the middle class and poor. How with rising costs of everything is that gonna help the middle class???? The middle class already have very little expendable income and aren't spending money into the economy. If they now have to pay for services they used to get through the government it is like another tax and they have even less to spend into the economy. Romney did this in Mass when he was governor.

I always thought growth depended upon demand for goods and services???? Well, if you keep on shrinking the middle class and giving them less to spend then there is less demand for products and services and we are talking about a vast amount of people in the country. How is that good for the economy???

At the same time of adding further tax cuts for the wealthy Romney also talks about increased military spending??? WTF!!!! He wants to cut all kinds of programs that benefit the middle class but will spend even more on the military??? Out of the other side of his mouth he talks about balanced budgets and lowering the debt??? How you do all of that without making massive cuts to programs that will hurt a large percentage of people is beyond me as is how this guy will do anything to improve the economy.

[Edited on 9/18/2012 by sixty8]

 

____________________
Pete

 

Extreme Peach



Karma:
Posts: 1958
(1961 all sites)
Registered: 5/12/2006
Status: Offline

  posted on 9/18/2012 at 03:24 PM
quote:
quote:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/49070245#49070245

This cant be good. Ah it must be good to be part of the 1% though

Here's the irony; the obvious failure and poor trajectory of current policies won't help the 99%, or the 47% not paying taxes. Anyone thinking that a govt-centered society offers more for the average person must be thoroughly dismissive of economic history over the last 100 years. Capitalism and free markets may be far from perfect, but they have given more people more opportunity to better themselves than any system yet devised.


All of this is perhaps true for the 20th century but not for the 21st. The new dominant organization globally appears to be a form of state driven capitalism. These types of companies exist in Northern Europe, China and many other Asian countries. They are the primary investors in Canada’s tar sands. In addition to the companies cited here another Chinese company just invested heavily in the pipeline. So much for North American energy independence. A Canadian company is involved in the North Dakota fields but they may simply be a shell for Chinese and Asian investors.

http://www.afl.org/index.php/May-2011/who-owns-our-oil-sands-foreign-corpor ations-stake-their-claims-to-our-resources.html



 

Zen Peach



Karma:
Posts: 46751
(46752 all sites)
Registered: 7/8/2004
Status: Offline

  posted on 9/18/2012 at 03:28 PM
quote:
The majority of his campaign and governance have been about pitting one group against another. He deserves exactly the divisiveness that choice has brought.


Now I know why you want Romney to win.

 

____________________
"Live every week like it's Shark Week." - Tracy Jordan

 

Ultimate Peach



Karma:
Posts: 3911
(3918 all sites)
Registered: 11/19/2008
Status: Offline

  posted on 9/18/2012 at 03:33 PM
...and in the irony department....

In putting down 47 percent of the nation for paying no income taxes, Romney was denigrating the sacred base of the modern GOP: The Deep South.

In a nutshell, here's why: Seven of the lowest paying states in income taxes are in the Deep South. Stretching from South Carolina to Texas, the states that have the highest percentage of people Romney considers leeches on the government are in the GOP Southern Strategy vote belt. And if you toss in Idaho, which is a red state, you have eight of the lowest paying states in income taxes getting a sneering kick from Romney.

According to the Tax Foundation, the top ten states with the highest percentage of non-filers are: Mississippi, Georgia, Arkansas, New Mexico, Alabama, South Carolina, Louisiana, Texas, Florida and Idaho.

In fact, the southern GOP-voting states are subsidized, by government dollars, by the taxpayers of Northern Blue States. Take a state like Mississippi, which receives more than $2.00 from the government for every dollar it pays into the Federal Treasury. On the other hand, a blue state like Obama's Illinois receives only about 75 cents back on each dollar it pays to the federal government, for a net loss.

Gotta love the irony: Romney thumbing his nose at the very states that vote Republican regularly.

 

____________________


 
<<  1    2  >>  


Powered by XForum 1.81.1 by Trollix Software

Privacy | Terms of Service | Report Infringement | Personal Data Management | Contact Us
The ALLMAN BROTHERS BAND name, The ALLMAN BROTHERS name, likenesses, logos, mushroom design and peach truck are all registered trademarks of THE ABB MERCHANDISING CO., INC. whose rights are specifically reserved. Any artwork, visual, or audio representations used on this web site CONTAINING ANY REGISTERED TRADEMARKS are under license from The ABB MERCHANDISING CO., INC. A REVOCABLE, GRATIS LICENSE IS GRANTED TO ALL REGISTERED PEACH CORP MEMBERS FOR The DOWNLOADING OF ONE COPY FOR PERSONAL USE ONLY. ANY DISTRIBUTION OR REPRODUCTION OF THE TRADEMARKS CONTAINED HEREIN ARE PROHIBITED AND ARE SPECIFICALLY RESERVED BY THE ABB MERCHANDISING CO.,INC.
site by Hittin' the Web Group with www.experiencewasabi3d.com