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  posted on 9/20/2012 at 09:02 PM
I'm confused, first the attacks were because of a film clip. Then yesterday or this morning it was definitely a terrorist attack although, not planned out far enough in advance for any intelligence to be gathered. Now were doing this?



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The United States has paid Pakistan TV stations to air advertisements of president Barack Obama which are aimed at soothing public opinion against an anti-Islam movie made in California.

The US embassy in Islamabad spent about $70,000 to run the feature clips of Mr Obama and secretary of state Hillary Clinton underscoring US respect for religion and declaring the government had nothing to do with the movie.
State department spokeswoman Victoria Nuland said it was felt the ads were the best way to get the message across.
"In order to ensure we reached the largest number of Pakistanis, some 90 million as I understand it in this case with these spots," she said.

"It was the judgment that this was the best way to do it."

The US announcement aired as Washington warned Americans to avoid non-essential travel to Pakistan, one of the mostly Muslim countries hit by a wave of anti-American demonstrations.

In Libya, a deadly assault last week killed the US ambassador and three other Americans.
The protests, which were sparked by an Internet video that mocked the Prophet Mohammed and swept through Yemen, Egypt and other countries also prompted the US government to withdraw non-essential personnel in Tunisia and Sudan.

In Pakistan, protesters have demonstrated in more than a dozen cities.

Counter-terrorism analysts for the New York police department warned in a paper circulated on Thursday that the anti-US and anti-western protests would continue to spread, fuelled most recently by a French magazine's publication of cartoons lampooning the Prophet Mohammed.

Ms Nuland said the decision to buy the ads, identified as paid public service announcements, was not unusual in countries where it is the norm for getting your message out.
"I think the sense was that this particular aspect of the president and the secretary's message needed to be heard by more Pakistanis than had heard it, and that this was an effective way to get that message across," she said.

She said it would take time to measure the effectiveness of the ads in Pakistan, where on Thursday huge crowds again gathered to protest against the video.
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http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-09-21/obama-takes-to-tv-to-quell-anti-film- anger/4273526

 
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  posted on 9/21/2012 at 01:11 AM
Maybe Hillary can pull that big red "Easy" button out of the closet and reset the whole mess.

It worked so well with the Russians.

 

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  posted on 9/21/2012 at 01:27 AM
I'd definitely be interested in reading any ideas you all might have to quell the unrest over there.

 

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  posted on 9/21/2012 at 07:42 AM
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I'd definitely be interested in reading any ideas you all might have to quell the unrest over there.


I have a good one, but it's a long term plan. Get our gargantuan military presence out of the Middle East. It's a bit more complicated, but it's amazing how angry people get when a foreign nation has thousands upon thousands of military personnel and private mercenaries and naval fleets and drones, etc. based and garrisoned in their back yard over the span of decades. That's the root cause of our problems in the middle east. This film just brings all this built up hate, anger and frustration with our country to the surface....

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  posted on 9/21/2012 at 11:18 AM
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I'd definitely be interested in reading any ideas you all might have to quell the unrest over there.


Begging them not to punish us is not the way to do it.

 

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  posted on 9/21/2012 at 11:23 AM
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I'd definitely be interested in reading any ideas you all might have to quell the unrest over there.


Begging them not to punish us is not the way to do it.
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  posted on 9/21/2012 at 12:43 PM
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I'd definitely be interested in reading any ideas you all might have to quell the unrest over there.


Begging them not to punish us is not the way to do it.


I didn't ask you what not to do....I'd like to hear what you would do. Or is this another one of your 'I'll criticize but I don't have a plan' sort of things?

 

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  posted on 9/21/2012 at 02:02 PM
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I'd definitely be interested in reading any ideas you all might have to quell the unrest over there.


Begging them not to punish us is not the way to do it.


You obviously have zero understanding of what is happening in Pakistan.

Clinton and Obama are both lawyers and I am sure they worked on suitable language.

The US has a history of respect for all religions
No justification for senseless violence
The US had nothing to do with the movie.

 

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I'd definitely be interested in reading any ideas you all might have to quell the unrest over there.


Begging them not to punish us is not the way to do it.


I didn't ask you what not to do....I'd like to hear what you would do. Or is this another one of your 'I'll criticize but I don't have a plan' sort of things?


Given the circumstances and the US relationship with Pakistan Obama probably did all he could do. The Pakistanis are already angry with the US and Obama over the drone attacks and the killing of bin laden. There was no strategic point in getting them angrier just to demonstrate a little machismo over a movie the US had nothing to do with.


 

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I'd definitely be interested in reading any ideas you all might have to quell the unrest over there.


Begging them not to punish us is not the way to do it.


I didn't ask you what not to do....I'd like to hear what you would do. Or is this another one of your 'I'll criticize but I don't have a plan' sort of things?


Maybe it is not our job to "quell the unrest." Maybe it is our job to protect our interests and our property FROM the unrest we are unable to quell.

 

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I'd definitely be interested in reading any ideas you all might have to quell the unrest over there.


Begging them not to punish us is not the way to do it.


You obviously have zero understanding of what is happening in Pakistan.

Clinton and Obama are both lawyers and I am sure they worked on suitable language.

The US has a history of respect for all religions
No justification for senseless violence
The US had nothing to do with the movie.



I have a fine understanding. That movie is a pretext for violence by anti-Western extremists and the more we apologize for it the weaker and stupider we look.

 

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  posted on 9/21/2012 at 03:48 PM
Okay....so I ask again....how would you handle the situation?

 

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I'd definitely be interested in reading any ideas you all might have to quell the unrest over there.


Begging them not to punish us is not the way to do it.


I didn't ask you what not to do....I'd like to hear what you would do. Or is this another one of your 'I'll criticize but I don't have a plan' sort of things?


Given the circumstances and the US relationship with Pakistan Obama probably did all he could do. The Pakistanis are already angry with the US and Obama over the drone attacks and the killing of bin laden. There was no strategic point in getting them angrier just to demonstrate a little machismo over a movie the US had nothing to do with.




They didn't have to say or do anything. Why is this basic point being missed?

 

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Okay....so I ask again....how would you handle the situation?


I would make sure the embassy and consulates are safe and secure and evacuate all unnecessary personnel while advising Americans to stay away until the unrest dies down. Until January 2009 this is how these things were typically handled.

 

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Okay....so I ask again....how would you handle the situation?


I would make sure the embassy and consulates are safe and secure and evacuate all unnecessary personnel while advising Americans to stay away until the unrest dies down. Until January 2009 this is how these things were typically handled.


Once again, that's what you would do before the situation. Since there is criticism of the president's comments pertaining to THIS incident, what would you do, given the current situation, right now if different from what's being done. We all know what COULD have been done....what would you do NOW.

 

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I'd definitely be interested in reading any ideas you all might have to quell the unrest over there.


Begging them not to punish us is not the way to do it.


I didn't ask you what not to do....I'd like to hear what you would do. Or is this another one of your 'I'll criticize but I don't have a plan' sort of things?


Given the circumstances and the US relationship with Pakistan Obama probably did all he could do. The Pakistanis are already angry with the US and Obama over the drone attacks and the killing of bin laden. There was no strategic point in getting them angrier just to demonstrate a little machismo over a movie the US had nothing to do with.




They didn't have to say or do anything. Why is this basic point being missed?


Obviously Obama and Clinton might actually know something we don't and maybe they felt they did need to do something. Or are you of the opinion that Obama is a groveling sniveling Muslim loving kind of guy?

 

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Okay....so I ask again....how would you handle the situation?


I would make sure the embassy and consulates are safe and secure and evacuate all unnecessary personnel while advising Americans to stay away until the unrest dies down. Until January 2009 this is how these things were typically handled.


Once again, that's what you would do before the situation. Since there is criticism of the president's comments pertaining to THIS incident, what would you do, given the current situation, right now if different from what's being done. We all know what COULD have been done....what would you do NOW.


Call Bush and check?

 

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Okay....so I ask again....how would you handle the situation?


I would make sure the embassy and consulates are safe and secure and evacuate all unnecessary personnel while advising Americans to stay away until the unrest dies down. Until January 2009 this is how these things were typically handled.


Once again, that's what you would do before the situation. Since there is criticism of the president's comments pertaining to THIS incident, what would you do, given the current situation, right now if different from what's being done. We all know what COULD have been done....what would you do NOW.


This is what I would do AFTER the situation when the violence breaks out. I would do nothing else because it is not the place of the American Government to even mention this stupid video which is meaningless. Telling them we are nice and we respect them and we don't denigrate their religion is POINTLESS. It does nothing. There is nothing we can do. It is up to Pakistan to control their own citizens. It goes without saying that the U.S. respects all faiths and religions and cultures. We do not have to prove it to anyone and in any event cannot do so because they will not listen.

 

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I'd definitely be interested in reading any ideas you all might have to quell the unrest over there.


Begging them not to punish us is not the way to do it.


I didn't ask you what not to do....I'd like to hear what you would do. Or is this another one of your 'I'll criticize but I don't have a plan' sort of things?


Given the circumstances and the US relationship with Pakistan Obama probably did all he could do. The Pakistanis are already angry with the US and Obama over the drone attacks and the killing of bin laden. There was no strategic point in getting them angrier just to demonstrate a little machismo over a movie the US had nothing to do with.




They didn't have to say or do anything. Why is this basic point being missed?


Obviously Obama and Clinton might actually know something we don't and maybe they felt they did need to do something. Or are you of the opinion that Obama is a groveling sniveling Muslim loving kind of guy?


I am of the opinion that Obama and his foolish advisers believe that the Muslim world has problems with the U.S. because they think we disrespect them and if we just show them that we respect them the problems will go away. I think his entire strategy was based on this idea which many of us knew from the start was bizarrely wrong. Now he continues to do it in the face of it blowing up in his face. It shows me he and his advisers understand nothing whatsoever about that region and will not and cannot learn from their errors. It is one of the many reasons I hope to see him retired to Chicago in January. Groveling and sniveling has zilch to do with it.

 

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  posted on 9/21/2012 at 10:38 PM
I think it's pretty obvious that much of our problems in the Middle East has to do with our support of Israel.

 

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  posted on 9/21/2012 at 10:43 PM
Maybe our policys should be more in line with Israel!

 

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  posted on 9/21/2012 at 10:46 PM
Does anyone read the Bible anymore.

 

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  posted on 9/21/2012 at 11:08 PM
I don't understand.

 

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