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  posted on 10/3/2012 at 08:31 PM
Man is Romney ever smokin Obama's ramblin goofy as*!Without that teleprompter he's lost.Just like when he spoke to a 6'th grade class & had to have a teleprompter.10 minutes into this thing with Obama,& the flies are fallin dead from boredom off my back screen door.
Please do us all a favor Hussein.And get your friggin bags packed.This is America!Not some socialist third world country that wants your Obama flag flyin on every courthouse step.
And to those of you who are supporters of this loser.May i suggest some therapy.Along with maybe some good vitamins for focus.And maybe a good shot of stiff cuban coffee.The man sucks as a president.And good LORD willin his sorry,cocky,full of himself as* will be goin back to where he crawled out from soon.

 

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  posted on 10/3/2012 at 09:38 PM
What channel was the debate you watched on Luke....it doesn't sound at all like the one I saw.

 

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  posted on 10/3/2012 at 09:39 PM
I'd say they have both handled the questions well, and provided substance to bolster their arguments.

Romney has definately helped himself tonight by standing toe-to-toe with the Prez and looking at least as sharp and knowledgable. This might help him with independent undecideds. I wouldn't call it a clear "win", but he certainly didn't stumble or loose anything.

Most will not change their opinions, and find plenty to support decisions already made. Romney might pick up a few points for being competent, energetic, and precise on the issues.

While I wouldn't have thought so prior, the debate format and moderator didn't ruin the night. It was a debate of substance on many important issues. Refreshing.

 

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  posted on 10/3/2012 at 09:43 PM
I agree. I think it showed a clear choice between the candidates. If one supports some of the ideas on the right then you had things laid out for you...if one supports the left, then Obama laid out his course. Neither really won or lost but it was, as you said, refreshing that there was a discussion of actual directions in which each candidate would take this country.

 

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  posted on 10/3/2012 at 09:47 PM
I think the same thing. Both made good points, and Romney stood his ground on what he thought of as partial quotes on some of his statements by Obama.
One thing that kept bothering me was that Romney kept his eyes on Obama as he spoke while Obama would rarely look in Romney's direction and kept looking at his podium or away from Romney as much as possible.
He also looked quite nervous several times while Romney appeared to keep an air of confidence.

 

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  posted on 10/3/2012 at 09:50 PM
To me Romney looked like a smirking bully. The man needs to get in front of a mirror and work on that look.

 

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  posted on 10/3/2012 at 09:54 PM
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To me Romney looked like a smirking bully. The man needs to get in front of a mirror and work on that look.



I don't know why you would think that Ann, but then to ask your question: "What channel was the debate you watched on---?"

 

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  posted on 10/3/2012 at 10:01 PM
He's always looked like he was smirking. It's just the way he looks, he can't help it, poor guy.

 

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  posted on 10/3/2012 at 10:03 PM
I think the man carries himself & represents a gentlemanly like manner and tone.Unlike Obama with that cocky smurk he so genuinely practices.Obama's goal is to rule and govern his way or the highway.
Thinkin back to Pelosi's statement on Obama care when she said "We have to pass this to see whats in it".And the way that her,Reid etc would literally bow and kiss his as*.I don't know what it is people see in Barack Hussein Obama.He ain't that big of a deal in no means.But i guess in the dumbed & numbed down society we live in these daze,it should come as no suprise.
Obama was pis*ed and flustered because he was getting called on the rug on quite a few topics.And LMFAO,,,he had no teleprompter to save his hide.And no body guards to usher him away from facing the line of fire.

 

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  posted on 10/3/2012 at 10:05 PM
And Romney lied in every answer he gave. I guess we see what we want to see but facts are facts and Romney didn't have them.

 

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  posted on 10/3/2012 at 10:07 PM
Romney's 5 biggest lies in the first half of the debate:

1). Mitt Romney claims he is not cutting taxes for the wealthy

Romney actually began the debate completely reinventing his tax plan. Romney claimed that his tax plan isn’t a $5 trillion tax cut. However, yesterday his own running mate Paul Ryan touted Romney’s 20% tax cut across the board.

Ryan said, “And so what we’re saying is, we’re going to lower tax rates for everybody across the board by 20%, and we can pay for that without losing revenue by closing loopholes for people at the top end of the income scale. Everybody gets lower tax rates as a result. And you can keep these preferences for middle class taxpayers and have 20% lower tax rates.”

2). Romney claimed his tax plan doesn’t raise taxes on the middle class

Mitt Romney used some funny math to claim that his plan doesn’t raise taxes on middle class. However, the Tax Policy Center found that Romney’s plan, “The report by the centrist Tax Policy Center found that Romney’s tax cuts would boost after-tax income by an average of 4.1 percent for those earning more than $1 million a year, while reducing by an average of 1.2 percent the after-tax income of individuals earning less than $200,000.”

3). Romney claimed that Obama would increase taxes on the top 3% of “small businesses.”



Romney used some dubious statistics to claim that Obama would raise taxes on small businesses. What Romney didn’t tell the voters is that he and the Republican Party have a unique definition of small business. Washington Monthly explored the GOP definition of small business, “Many of those 750,000 small businesses aren’t small at all. Some, like Bechtel Corporation, are positively enormous. The Democratic and Republican figures come from the non-partisan Joint Committee on Taxation. But numerous think tanks and government organizations have examined the data and come to similar conclusions: First, that letting the Bush tax cuts on the top two brackets of “small-business” income would impact a tiny percentage of those businesses; and second, that many of the “small businesses” that would be impacted are actually giant companies — which explains why such a tiny fraction of them can account for half of small business income.”

4). Romney says oil subsidies go to small companies

Romney tried to sell the subsidies for Big Oil as going to small natural gas and coal companies. The truth is that $2.8 billion in subsidies go to the five biggest oil companies. Bil Oil is also allowed to write off all of their drilling costs.

5). Romney said getting rid of the Bush tax cuts will kill jobs

Mitt Romney claimed that if the Bush tax cuts expire for the wealthiest Americans, it will kill jobs. Forbes debunked this myth and concluded that, “But the GOP meme suggesting that tax cuts equals jobs while, conversely, tax increases on the so-called “job creators” mean less work for the rest of us, simply does not survive any reasonable scrutiny. Putting more money in the pockets of the wealthy may create a few jobs for the foreign bankers who get to count the extra money funneled into into the off-shore accounts of the rich, but there is nothing in the way of actual data to support the notion that putting more money into the pockets of the wealthiest Americans will inure to the benefit of those looking for work.”

 

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  posted on 10/3/2012 at 10:08 PM
I opted to watch Lizard Lick Towing. More beleivable.........

 

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  posted on 10/3/2012 at 10:10 PM
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I opted to watch Lizard Lick Towing. More beleivable.........


Wish I'd watched it too....that's 90 minutes of my life I'll never get back!

 

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  posted on 10/3/2012 at 10:47 PM
Luke would have been better off watching DB & GS from the Rockpalast DVD.

 

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  posted on 10/3/2012 at 10:54 PM
Actually after some yard bird & alabama smoked sausage on the grill,with lima beans,sweet tators and jalapeno cornbread for supper.Brother Betts woulda rounded the night off to a T man.

 

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  posted on 10/3/2012 at 11:02 PM
Obama seemed bothered, stammering, off his game and he caught Romney on a surprsingly good night.

I was quite surprised how well Romney did compared to a rather downbeat looking President. It's pretty clear he doesn't like his record discussed. Pretty indicative when Obama said, "lets move on to something else." Can't remember that ever happening before.


 

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  posted on 10/3/2012 at 11:04 PM

Fuji, you said it well. I don't necessarily think that anyone "wins" debates, but I do think Romney did very well. He was more affable than I've seen him; I didn't find him to be a bully or anything like that. Both candidates were respectful to one another. Most here know I've supported Obama on many things, and I don't mind admitting that Romney scored more points tonight. His campaign has been struggling, and he had too many moments of late where comments had hurt him. Tonight, he made his points concisely, didn't stumble over himself, and consistently refuted Obama on talking points he didn't want the public to accept. The truth of the math and the details of these economic plans are what is at question and will continue to be debated. But he made himself a legitimate rival again.....and was likable in his manner.

And, Luke, the President is a little full of himself. He is confident, intelligent and believes in what he is doing. Why shouldn't he be? But this hasn't impaired his reason, nor his willingness to compromise when necessary. Unfortunately, it is his borderline smug demeanor that I believe ultimately fuels the hatred for him (as you exhibit so plainly). I guess cockiness is reserved for Big Energy cowboys that eschew intellect for brazen tough-guy rhetoric and star spangled underwear....not so much minority attorneys with an Ivy League education and a community organizing background.

 

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  posted on 10/3/2012 at 11:07 PM
Obama backed Romney into a corner and made him take a stand on some of the issues....now, let's get to fact checking what Romney said on national television.

 

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  posted on 10/3/2012 at 11:20 PM
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I'd say they have both handled the questions well, and provided substance to bolster their arguments.

Romney has definately helped himself tonight by standing toe-to-toe with the Prez and looking at least as sharp and knowledgable. This might help him with independent undecideds. I wouldn't call it a clear "win", but he certainly didn't stumble or loose anything.

Most will not change their opinions, and find plenty to support decisions already made. Romney might pick up a few points for being competent, energetic, and precise on the issues.

While I wouldn't have thought so prior, the debate format and moderator didn't ruin the night. It was a debate of substance on many important issues. Refreshing.


With all due respect, that was one of the worst run debates in the history of debates with the absolute weakest moderator I have ever seen allowing himself to be bullied into extra bull$hitting by Romney after his time was up.

I will say that Romney came out appearing as the winner of the debate if you go by his agressiveness and demeaner. Obama looked unprepared to defend and attack against Romney's BS. Had Obama come more prepared and had been more aggresive he could have exposed most of if not all of the bull$hit and fudging of facts by Romney! He didn't even friggin attack him on his bogus Romneycare/Obamacare statements about it being structured for just Massachusetts when he is documented tons of times saying that his plan would be the perfect model for the entire country. Obama better come out fighting and exposing all of the BS next time or all of the weak minded people who are undecided and don't research what these candidates say will start believe the bull$hit and change over to Romney. He can not be allowed to get away with so much bull$hitting and fudging of the facts.

The facts were on Obama's side but for whatever reason he came off as meek and didn't come out fighting and challenging all of Romney's BS.

[Edited on 10/4/2012 by sixty8]

 

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  posted on 10/3/2012 at 11:23 PM
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Romney's 5 biggest lies in the first half of the debate:

1). Mitt Romney claims he is not cutting taxes for the wealthy

Romney actually began the debate completely reinventing his tax plan. Romney claimed that his tax plan isn’t a $5 trillion tax cut. However, yesterday his own running mate Paul Ryan touted Romney’s 20% tax cut across the board.

Ryan said, “And so what we’re saying is, we’re going to lower tax rates for everybody across the board by 20%, and we can pay for that without losing revenue by closing loopholes for people at the top end of the income scale. Everybody gets lower tax rates as a result. And you can keep these preferences for middle class taxpayers and have 20% lower tax rates.”

2). Romney claimed his tax plan doesn’t raise taxes on the middle class

Mitt Romney used some funny math to claim that his plan doesn’t raise taxes on middle class. However, the Tax Policy Center found that Romney’s plan, “The report by the centrist Tax Policy Center found that Romney’s tax cuts would boost after-tax income by an average of 4.1 percent for those earning more than $1 million a year, while reducing by an average of 1.2 percent the after-tax income of individuals earning less than $200,000.”

3). Romney claimed that Obama would increase taxes on the top 3% of “small businesses.”



Romney used some dubious statistics to claim that Obama would raise taxes on small businesses. What Romney didn’t tell the voters is that he and the Republican Party have a unique definition of small business. Washington Monthly explored the GOP definition of small business, “Many of those 750,000 small businesses aren’t small at all. Some, like Bechtel Corporation, are positively enormous. The Democratic and Republican figures come from the non-partisan Joint Committee on Taxation. But numerous think tanks and government organizations have examined the data and come to similar conclusions: First, that letting the Bush tax cuts on the top two brackets of “small-business” income would impact a tiny percentage of those businesses; and second, that many of the “small businesses” that would be impacted are actually giant companies — which explains why such a tiny fraction of them can account for half of small business income.”

4). Romney says oil subsidies go to small companies

Romney tried to sell the subsidies for Big Oil as going to small natural gas and coal companies. The truth is that $2.8 billion in subsidies go to the five biggest oil companies. Bil Oil is also allowed to write off all of their drilling costs.

5). Romney said getting rid of the Bush tax cuts will kill jobs

Mitt Romney claimed that if the Bush tax cuts expire for the wealthiest Americans, it will kill jobs. Forbes debunked this myth and concluded that, “But the GOP meme suggesting that tax cuts equals jobs while, conversely, tax increases on the so-called “job creators” mean less work for the rest of us, simply does not survive any reasonable scrutiny. Putting more money in the pockets of the wealthy may create a few jobs for the foreign bankers who get to count the extra money funneled into into the off-shore accounts of the rich, but there is nothing in the way of actual data to support the notion that putting more money into the pockets of the wealthiest Americans will inure to the benefit of those looking for work.”




He lied his way through the entire debate and Obama let him get away with it. That is the only thing that lost Obama the debate. Obama has the facts on his side though which will be pointed out to those smart enough to research all of the bs that Romney spewed all night long.

 

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  posted on 10/3/2012 at 11:36 PM
It doesn't matter who wins the debates....it's who wins the election that counts and I think after Romney's remarks about some things important to a lot of people, it's still going to be Obama.

 

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  posted on 10/4/2012 at 01:17 AM
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I'd say they have both handled the questions well, and provided substance to bolster their arguments.

Romney has definately helped himself tonight by standing toe-to-toe with the Prez and looking at least as sharp and knowledgable. This might help him with independent undecideds. I wouldn't call it a clear "win", but he certainly didn't stumble or loose anything.

Most will not change their opinions, and find plenty to support decisions already made. Romney might pick up a few points for being competent, energetic, and precise on the issues.

While I wouldn't have thought so prior, the debate format and moderator didn't ruin the night. It was a debate of substance on many important issues. Refreshing.


With all due respect, that was one of the worst run debates in the history of debates with the absolute weakest moderator I have ever seen allowing himself to be bullied into extra bull$hitting by Romney after his time was up.

I will say that Romney came out appearing as the winner of the debate if you go by his agressiveness and demeaner. Obama looked unprepared to defend and attack against Romney's BS. Had Obama come more prepared and had been more aggresive he could have exposed most of if not all of the bull$hit and fudging of facts by Romney! He didn't even friggin attack him on his bogus Romneycare/Obamacare statements about it being structured for just Massachusetts when he is documented tons of times saying that his plan would be the perfect model for the entire country. Obama better come out fighting and exposing all of the BS next time or all of the weak minded people who are undecided and don't research what these candidates say will start believe the bull$hit and change over to Romney. He can not be allowed to get away with so much bull$hitting and fudging of the facts.

The facts were on Obama's side but for whatever reason he came off as meek and didn't come out fighting and challenging all of Romney's BS.

My point on how the debate was run is based on the fact that for once, silly TV personalities weren't trying to control the conversation via nonsense questions or buzzers after a two-minute limit.

After all; this is the top job in the land. Shouldn't we get to hear both challengers have substantial portions of time to make their points and rebuttals? Why are the Lincoln-Douglas debates famous to this day? One factor is that both men had expansive time to express their positions.

Isn't your side the ones who are apopletic about Citizens United, and the decision that let's companies raise money primarily to run 30-second political ads? So short political messages from third-parties are no good because of the impressions created. But long opportunities to express ideas, directly from the candidates themselves, are also no good? Huh? I'm confused.

Come on. Let's be realistic here. Your guy came away tonight looking like Wepner after 15 rounds with Ali. But he gets to fight another day. I'm sure you hope he's more on his game for the next bout.



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  posted on 10/4/2012 at 02:39 AM
I believe Romney packed more blatant lies into 90 minutes then has ever been done before by any candidate for any office. He truly is a habitual liar and all around sociopath. He will keep the fact checkers busy and working 24 X 7. Maybe that is his job plan, there will have to be more fact checkers hired.

 

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  posted on 10/4/2012 at 09:06 AM
Fortunately for Obama, he has Joe Biden on tap to right the ship next week in his debate.
Nobody messes with Joe!!

 

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  posted on 10/4/2012 at 09:34 AM
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Obama backed Romney into a corner and made him take a stand on some of the issues....now, let's get to fact checking what Romney said on national television.


No intention of fact checking Obama? Surprise, surprise.

 
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