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  posted on 12/15/2012 at 02:25 PM

12-15-2012 11:20 AM MST
DETROIT (Associated Press) --
The founder of Domino's Pizza is suing the federal government over mandatory contraception coverage in the health care law.

Tom Monaghan, a devout Roman Catholic, says contraception isn't health care but a "gravely immoral" practice.

He filed a lawsuit Friday in federal court. It also lists as a plaintiff Domino's Farms, a Michigan office park complex that Monaghan owns.

Monaghan offers health insurance that excludes contraception and abortion for employees. The new federal law requires employers to offer insurance including contraception coverage or risk fines.

Monaghan says the law violates his rights, and is asking a judge to strike down the mandate. There are similar lawsuits pending nationwide.

A message left Saturday for Monaghan's attorney, Richard Thompson, was not immediately returned.

The government says the contraception mandate benefits women.

 

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  posted on 12/15/2012 at 02:39 PM
There are a lot of us already boycotting Dominos for that very reason. I know, I know...he has a right to his religious beliefs....but we have a right to our opinions and I'm not eating any more Dominos pizzas.

 

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  posted on 12/15/2012 at 02:56 PM
Been down this road many times on these forums. An employer shall have no influence over the coverage of a health plan. Catholics would rule out contraception and abortion; Jehovah;s Wittnesses woud not cover blood transfusions; Jewish employers would not want to pay for non-ritual circumcision. WASPS would insist the Polo-Ponies are covered (only kidding guys)

It just isn't their business - this is between the employees and their doctors. Otherwise we would have chaos. The women's issue is really not the issue here - it is freedom of religion (and by that I mean the employer can't force his beliefs on his employees)

 

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  posted on 12/15/2012 at 03:10 PM
There in lies the rub...... who determines who's beliefs out weigh the others.... Should employers own beliefs be trumped simply because they are employers?
 

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  posted on 12/15/2012 at 03:25 PM
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There are a lot of us already boycotting Dominos for that very reason. I know, I know...he has a right to his religious beliefs....but we have a right to our opinions and I'm not eating any more Dominos pizzas.

This is not a good reason to boycott Dominos Pizza. Monaghan sold Dominos 15 years ago. I also boycott Dominos but it's because their pizza tastes like crap.

 

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Been down this road many times on these forums. An employer shall have no influence over the coverage of a health plan. Catholics would rule out contraception and abortion; Jehovah;s Wittnesses woud not cover blood transfusions; Jewish employers would not want to pay for non-ritual circumcision. WASPS would insist the Polo-Ponies are covered (only kidding guys)

It just isn't their business - this is between the employees and their doctors. Otherwise we would have chaos. The women's issue is really not the issue here - it is freedom of religion (and by that I mean the employer can't force his beliefs on his employees)
Your last line pretty much sums it up for me. also I dont need to boycott his sh!tty pizza. Id never buy one to begin with. that goes for pappa johns too.

[Edited on 12/15/2012 by pops42]

 

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Been down this road many times on these forums. An employer shall have no influence over the coverage of a health plan. Catholics would rule out contraception and abortion; Jehovah;s Wittnesses woud not cover blood transfusions; Jewish employers would not want to pay for non-ritual circumcision. WASPS would insist the Polo-Ponies are covered (only kidding guys)

It just isn't their business - this is between the employees and their doctors. Otherwise we would have chaos. The women's issue is really not the issue here - it is freedom of religion (and by that I mean the employer can't force his beliefs on his employees)
Your last line pretty much sums it up for me. also I dont need to boycott his sh!tty pizza. Id never buy one to begin with. that goes for pappa johns too.

I agree about Papa Johns, but it's the only place where I can get delivery to my house and delivery is the only reason I ever get pizza, so I'm stuck with the Papa.

 

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  posted on 12/15/2012 at 03:33 PM
In all honesty, it's been pretty easy to join the boycotts of those two pizza companies. We never ate their pizzas to begin with. We have a Pizza Hut about half a mile from here that is closer and better.

 

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There are a lot of us already boycotting Dominos for that very reason. I know, I know...he has a right to his religious beliefs....but we have a right to our opinions and I'm not eating any more Dominos pizzas.

This is not a good reason to boycott Dominos Pizza. Monaghan sold Dominos 15 years ago. I also boycott Dominos but it's because their pizza tastes like crap.


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There in lies the rub...... who determines who's beliefs out weigh the others.... Should employers own beliefs be trumped simply because they are employers?


The law of the land = freedom. Very simple concept in my mind. No one (employer or employee) has the right to usurp that; if someting is legal it is legal. The employees are powerless; it is the employers who are going past that. If contraception and abortion are legal; and they are medical; they are in. Nobody is forcing Domino's owner to abort a child or use contraception. They are merely saying that health insurance is medical - and all legal things are covered. If I don't believe in celebrating New Years I still am forced to pay my employees as it is a national holiday. The law is the law

 

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In all honesty, it's been pretty easy to join the boycotts of those two pizza companies. We never ate their pizzas to begin with. We have a Pizza Hut about half a mile from here that is closer and better.

I just don't want you to be under the impression that Monaghan has any connection with Dominos Pizza other than leasing them some office space. He has not had an interest in the company since 1998.

Actually, Monaghan is a very eccentric and interesting guy who has done a lot of good with his philanthropic activities. But sometime back in the early 1990's, after establishing his fortune as founder of Dominos and owner of the Detroit Tigers he became focused, almost obsessed, with the Catholic faith. That's when he decided to sell the Tigers, sell the business, sell his classic car collection, abandon his lavish lifestyle, and focus entirely on philanthropic and religious activities. He's had a very interesting life from growing up poor, starting a one shop pizza delivery company and growing it into an empire, enjoying all the fruits of his success, then becoming disillusioned with it all and divesting himself of most material possessions and becoming somewhat of a recluse. I got to know him a little back in the early 1980's when my wife (now ex-wife) worked for him in advertising at Dominos Farms, and I was a huge Tigers fan so I followed him pretty closely. I've never seen anyone change directions in their life like he did.

 

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There in lies the rub...... who determines who's beliefs out weigh the others.... Should employers own beliefs be trumped simply because they are employers?


The law of the land = freedom. Very simple concept in my mind. No one (employer or employee) has the right to usurp that; if someting is legal it is legal. The employees are powerless; it is the employers who are going past that. If contraception and abortion are legal; and they are medical; they are in. Nobody is forcing Domino's owner to abort a child or use contraception. They are merely saying that health insurance is medical - and all legal things are covered. If I don't believe in celebrating New Years I still am forced to pay my employees as it is a national holiday. The law is the law


Really? So telling an employer that he has to go against his religious beliefs in order to accommodate employees beliefs is freedom? Or mandating that if you live in america you have to have insurance or you will be fined and or go to jail is freedom? I'm sorry but you and I have two very different definitions of freedom. It may be the law but it isn't freedom.....


Laws are subject to review, hence the USSC. The use of contraception and abortions are individual decisions (with the exception of a health threat to the mother and rape). Those two exceptions should be covered as they are medically necessary. Otherwise I don't think it should be covered.....And I am pro-choice by the way.

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There in lies the rub...... who determines who's beliefs out weigh the others.... Should employers own beliefs be trumped simply because they are employers?


The law of the land = freedom. Very simple concept in my mind. No one (employer or employee) has the right to usurp that; if someting is legal it is legal. The employees are powerless; it is the employers who are going past that. If contraception and abortion are legal; and they are medical; they are in. Nobody is forcing Domino's owner to abort a child or use contraception. They are merely saying that health insurance is medical - and all legal things are covered. If I don't believe in celebrating New Years I still am forced to pay my employees as it is a national holiday. The law is the law


Really? So telling an employer that he has to go against his religious beliefs in order to accommodate employees beliefs is freedom? Or mandating that if you live in america you have to have insurance or you will be fined and or go to jail is freedom? I'm sorry but you and I have two very different definitions of freedom. It may be the law but it isn't freedom.....


Laws are subject to review, hence the USSC. The use of contraception and abortions are individual decisions (with the exception of a health threat to the mother and rape). Those two exceptions should be covered as they are medically necessary. Otherwise I don't think it should be covered.....And I am pro-choice by the way.

[Edited on 12/15/2012 by er1016]


I guess we agree to disagree.

re: forcing people to have insurance; I think that we need some form of national health insurance - question is who pays. Right now emergency care can't be refused irregardless of ability to pay. Unless we are willing to turn people away and not continue the charade it is toothless.

 

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There in lies the rub...... who determines who's beliefs out weigh the others.... Should employers own beliefs be trumped simply because they are employers?


The law of the land = freedom. Very simple concept in my mind. No one (employer or employee) has the right to usurp that; if someting is legal it is legal. The employees are powerless; it is the employers who are going past that. If contraception and abortion are legal; and they are medical; they are in. Nobody is forcing Domino's owner to abort a child or use contraception. They are merely saying that health insurance is medical - and all legal things are covered. If I don't believe in celebrating New Years I still am forced to pay my employees as it is a national holiday. The law is the law


Really? So telling an employer that he has to go against his religious beliefs in order to accommodate employees beliefs is freedom? Or mandating that if you live in america you have to have insurance or you will be fined and or go to jail is freedom? I'm sorry but you and I have two very different definitions of freedom. It may be the law but it isn't freedom.....


Laws are subject to review, hence the USSC. The use of contraception and abortions are individual decisions (with the exception of a health threat to the mother and rape). Those two exceptions should be covered as they are medically necessary. Otherwise I don't think it should be covered.....And I am pro-choice by the way.

[Edited on 12/15/2012 by er1016]


The government forces people to limit religious freedom all the time to protect other people's rights. Jewish employers have to pay employees on Christmas. Should they be exempt from being forced to do so?

Many Mormon's believe in polygamy. Last I checked it is still illegal.

Nobody is saying that Monhagan has to pay for contraception, they are saying that he has to pay for health care insurance that happens to include it. But, Monhagan has always tried to get around the law in his quest to create his ideal Catholic society. He tried to start his own town in Florida based on Catholic rule where the town would outlaw abortion, contraception and the like.

 

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  posted on 12/15/2012 at 04:36 PM
I don't have a problem with national healthcare. As long as its structurally sound and fully funded. I do not think that there should be a mandate to participate, is that really necessary? Human nature is to do everything you can to preserve life, so I doubt that you would have a problem with people not participating.
 

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  posted on 12/15/2012 at 04:38 PM
I began boycotting Dominos a while back for other reasons....that and their pizzas aren't very good. I know on the local level, people in town own the franchises and it's their practices that first started my boycotting them.

 

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  posted on 12/15/2012 at 04:41 PM
My first choice is Johnny's Pizza (not your's Ann ) then Ingleside Village.
 

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  posted on 12/15/2012 at 04:42 PM
why does this douche bag think he has the right to impose his morality on his employees???

 

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There in lies the rub...... who determines who's beliefs out weigh the others.... Should employers own beliefs be trumped simply because they are employers?


The law of the land = freedom. Very simple concept in my mind. No one (employer or employee) has the right to usurp that; if someting is legal it is legal. The employees are powerless; it is the employers who are going past that. If contraception and abortion are legal; and they are medical; they are in. Nobody is forcing Domino's owner to abort a child or use contraception. They are merely saying that health insurance is medical - and all legal things are covered. If I don't believe in celebrating New Years I still am forced to pay my employees as it is a national holiday. The law is the law


Really? So telling an employer that he has to go against his religious beliefs in order to accommodate employees beliefs is freedom? Or mandating that if you live in america you have to have insurance or you will be fined and or go to jail is freedom? I'm sorry but you and I have two very different definitions of freedom. It may be the law but it isn't freedom.....

Laws are subject to review, hence the USSC. The use of contraception and abortions are individual decisions (with the exception of a health threat to the mother and rape). Those two exceptions should be covered as they are medically necessary. Otherwise I don't think it should be covered.....And I am pro-choice by the way.

[Edited on 12/15/2012 by er1016]


Re: your response to the previous poster makes me wonder. If we extrapolate using your reasoning, can we also conclude that if this same employer believes it is wrong to pay taxes or believes that tax rates are unfair that he can ignore the tax man? You can slice & dice, but to me there is really no difference.

 

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  posted on 12/15/2012 at 05:19 PM
You can interpret it and apply it how ever and to whatever you'd like.....But the context in which it was meant is as stated and pertains to this specific issue. It was not intended nor should it be inferred that it is my thoughts on any other issue. There is no one size fits all answers in life......

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  posted on 12/15/2012 at 05:21 PM
Papa Johns may be the worst pizza I've ever had.

 

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Papa Johns may be the worst pizza I've ever had.

Agreed!

But Dominos new pan is actually pretty darn good for home delivered pie.

 

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  posted on 12/15/2012 at 06:46 PM
I wonder if monaghan is ok with his donations to the catholic church probably being used to pay off familys, whose children were attacked by pediphile priests?.

 

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  posted on 12/15/2012 at 07:31 PM
emr and pops, good posts.
 

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  posted on 12/15/2012 at 07:56 PM
Pizza Hut is my favorite. For take out or delivery...

 

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