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  posted on 12/19/2012 at 09:49 PM
In case you haven't had a chance to check out the article, here is a link....

http://poy.time.com/2012/12/19/person-of-the-year-barack-obama/#ixzz2FXkQeN YF

I know some conservatives will be upset about this, and others will make inevitable comparisons to other "bad guys" who won the award, including Adolf Hitler back in the 30s. As the inclusion of Hitler and others indicate, the award doesn't necessarily mean you're the world's nicest person. It is more indicative of someone's influence on society, how large their footprint was on the year.

I found the article fascinating, and whether you like Obama or not, you might find it interesting. Here are my two quick points...

(1) This election was won more on tactics and less on politics than some of my fellow Democrats would like to admit.

The organizational superiority of the Obama campaign over the Romney campaign had as much to do with the final result as the finer points of economic policy or other issues. Still, part of Romney's pitch was that he was a successful businessman and would therefore run a tighter ship as President than Obama. The actual performance of Romney's campaign vs. Obama's does not support that theory.

(2) The Obama campaign did exhaustive focus group research leading up to the election, and the single biggest advantage they found for Obama over Romney was that people trust Obama more. Romney's people apparently found the same thing in their polls.

I'm curious to hear conservatives response to this, because many of them seem to regard Obama as an inherently dishonest and untrustworthy person. I'm genuinely intrigued as to how they feel about the fact that a solid majority of Americans, even many who disagree with his policies, feel that Obama is a good and decent man at heart.

I'm sure comments about "sheep" and people being brainwashed by "the liberal media" will probably be involved

 
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  posted on 12/19/2012 at 10:47 PM
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In case you haven't had a chance to check out the article, here is a link....

http://poy.time.com/2012/12/19/person-of-the-year-barack-obama/#ixzz2FXkQeN YF

I know some conservatives will be upset about this, and others will make inevitable comparisons to other "bad guys" who won the award, including Adolf Hitler back in the 30s. As the inclusion of Hitler and others indicate, the award doesn't necessarily mean you're the world's nicest person. It is more indicative of someone's influence on society, how large their footprint was on the year.

I found the article fascinating, and whether you like Obama or not, you might find it interesting. Here are my two quick points...

(1) This election was won more on tactics and less on politics than some of my fellow Democrats would like to admit.

The organizational superiority of the Obama campaign over the Romney campaign had as much to do with the final result as the finer points of economic policy or other issues. Still, part of Romney's pitch was that he was a successful businessman and would therefore run a tighter ship as President than Obama. The actual performance of Romney's campaign vs. Obama's does not support that theory.

(2) The Obama campaign did exhaustive focus group research leading up to the election, and the single biggest advantage they found for Obama over Romney was that people trust Obama more. Romney's people apparently found the same thing in their polls.

I'm curious to hear conservatives response to this, because many of them seem to regard Obama as an inherently dishonest and untrustworthy person. I'm genuinely intrigued as to how they feel about the fact that a solid majority of Americans, even many who disagree with his policies, feel that Obama is a good and decent man at heart.

I'm sure comments about "sheep" and people being brainwashed by "the liberal media" will probably be involved


As you know I agree it was won on tactics because I don't think a majority of the country agrees with his politics. As he is going to discover again soon enough just as he did after his first election.

 

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  posted on 12/19/2012 at 11:44 PM
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I'm curious to hear conservatives response to this, because many of them seem to regard Obama as an inherently dishonest and untrustworthy person. I'm genuinely intrigued as to how they feel about the fact that a solid majority of Americans, even many who disagree with his policies, feel that Obama is a good and decent man at heart.

I don't find him dishonest or untrustworthy at all. I simply don't like his path for the nation. I place more concern in a nation filled with people who believe he and his agenda are the best choice.

 

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"I don't think a majority of the country agrees with his politics."

Depends on the issue. When it comes to raising taxes on the wealthiest Americans, ending the war in Afghanistan and many other issues, Obama has a clear majority of Americans behind him. Other issues maybe not so much, but don't fool yourself into thinking that a majority of America disagrees with Obama on everything.

Still, it is only fair to point out that Obama was just a whole lot better at politics than Romney, and the more we find out about the inner workings of the recent campaign, the more stark that contrast becomes.

 
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  posted on 12/20/2012 at 01:11 PM
I've said on several occasions that I am sure Obama is a fine feller, even commended him on his handling of Sandy Hook and the immediate aftermath. I just don't agree with his political ideology and think he has done a poor job.


 

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People still read magazines?
 

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  posted on 12/20/2012 at 02:25 PM
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People still read magazines?


That's what Time hopes.

 

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In case you haven't had a chance to check out the article, here is a link....

http://poy.time.com/2012/12/19/person-of-the-year-barack-obama/#ixzz2FXkQeN YF

I know some conservatives will be upset about this, and others will make inevitable comparisons to other "bad guys" who won the award, including Adolf Hitler back in the 30s. As the inclusion of Hitler and others indicate, the award doesn't necessarily mean you're the world's nicest person. It is more indicative of someone's influence on society, how large their footprint was on the year.

I found the article fascinating, and whether you like Obama or not, you might find it interesting. Here are my two quick points...

(1) This election was won more on tactics and less on politics than some of my fellow Democrats would like to admit.

The organizational superiority of the Obama campaign over the Romney campaign had as much to do with the final result as the finer points of economic policy or other issues. Still, part of Romney's pitch was that he was a successful businessman and would therefore run a tighter ship as President than Obama. The actual performance of Romney's campaign vs. Obama's does not support that theory.

(2) The Obama campaign did exhaustive focus group research leading up to the election, and the single biggest advantage they found for Obama over Romney was that people trust Obama more. Romney's people apparently found the same thing in their polls.

I'm curious to hear conservatives response to this, because many of them seem to regard Obama as an inherently dishonest and untrustworthy person. I'm genuinely intrigued as to how they feel about the fact that a solid majority of Americans, even many who disagree with his policies, feel that Obama is a good and decent man at heart.

I'm sure comments about "sheep" and people being brainwashed by "the liberal media" will probably be involved


As you know I agree it was won on tactics because I don't think a majority of the country agrees with his politics. As he is going to discover again soon enough just as he did after his first election.


Tactics??????????????????????? Come on man, I know you know better than that. Enough of the sore loser excuses. Romney was a horrible candidate and he got his ass handed to him plain and simple end of story. Romney all of his people and you and others all insisted that the polling was wrong and that he was gonna win. He lost just as all polls said all along and he got beaten badly, even worse than the polls showed. He only won one swing state which was even more of a surprise. For people to now claim that tactics won the election and that the majority of the country doesn't agree with Obama's politics is pure BS as polls since the election prove the opposite. The Congress had better wake up to reality because their approval rating is around an abysmal 15% which SHOULD be an embarrassment but doesn't seem to bother them. No pressure on Obama anymore, he is here for 4 more. If Congress thinks that Obama is gonna get the blame for any further obstruction they are dreaming and they should start checking their mail boxes for pink slips in about 2 years. Obama has even given in and compromised more than he has to after such a big election victory. Bottom line to all of you right wing conservatives is that your side lost the election by a pretty large margin. Time to buck up and do what the MAJORITY of Americans voted for especially when it comes to tax reform.

 

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  posted on 12/20/2012 at 03:22 PM
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"I don't think a majority of the country agrees with his politics."

Depends on the issue. When it comes to raising taxes on the wealthiest Americans, ending the war in Afghanistan and many other issues, Obama has a clear majority of Americans behind him. Other issues maybe not so much, but don't fool yourself into thinking that a majority of America disagrees with Obama on everything.

Still, it is only fair to point out that Obama was just a whole lot better at politics than Romney, and the more we find out about the inner workings of the recent campaign, the more stark that contrast becomes.



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  posted on 12/20/2012 at 04:19 PM
FOX's own Phi Beta Kappa analyst, Sister Sarah weighs in on Obama winning the award at about the 3:45 mark.

Doesn't she have something better to do with her time like reading newspapers - all of them?

Hopefully we'll see her run for higher office again. She has so much material to offer...to Tina Fey.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLe1SPGtEpc

 

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  posted on 12/20/2012 at 04:19 PM
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I'm curious to hear conservatives response to this, because many of them seem to regard Obama as an inherently dishonest and untrustworthy person.


I consider myself to be somewhere between Moderate and Conservative. Thinking out loud, .....Do I believe or think the President to be, "an inherently dishonest and untrustworthy person"?... Not in the least. I can however state that I do not agree with too many of his political beliefs and therefore at times in the past had not spoken of him in the nicest of ways......

 

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Still, it is only fair to point out that Obama was just a whole lot better at politics than Romney, and the more we find out about the inner workings of the recent campaign, the more stark that contrast becomes.



Obama did a much better job attracting the low-information voter.

 

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  posted on 12/21/2012 at 12:18 PM
...and some of us high-information voters...........

 

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Still, it is only fair to point out that Obama was just a whole lot better at politics than Romney, and the more we find out about the inner workings of the recent campaign, the more stark that contrast becomes.



Obama did a much better job attracting the low-information voter.



WOW!!!!! Talk about a sore loser! When are you guys gonna fess up and realize that your party offered up a clown line of horrible candidates and that the majority of Americans informed and otherwise don't agree with the GOP's agenda. Period, end of story and with ever changing demographics that majority will only grow. With where Obama's reputation was going into the Presidential campaigns he should have been ripe for the pickings but because your party is so stubborn and has to govern from the farthest to the right you lost!!!! Plain and simple!!! Period!!!!! Not because of any low-information voters, because of a complete lack of understanding what the majority of the people stand for and want on most of the major issues. Sorry you lost but it looks like the stubbornness is gonna just continue and the GOP is gonna stay far right and they will lose again in four years. I will be surprised if they survive the next midterms if the obstruction continues for every single issue.

 

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  posted on 12/21/2012 at 03:33 PM
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Still, it is only fair to point out that Obama was just a whole lot better at politics than Romney, and the more we find out about the inner workings of the recent campaign, the more stark that contrast becomes.



Obama did a much better job attracting the low-information voter.



WOW!!!!! Talk about a sore loser! When are you guys gonna fess up and realize that your party offered up a clown line of horrible candidates and that the majority of Americans informed and otherwise don't agree with the GOP's agenda. Period, end of story and with ever changing demographics that majority will only grow. With where Obama's reputation was going into the Presidential campaigns he should have been ripe for the pickings but because your party is so stubborn and has to govern from the farthest to the right you lost!!!! Plain and simple!!! Period!!!!! Not because of any low-information voters, because of a complete lack of understanding what the majority of the people stand for and want on most of the major issues. Sorry you lost but it looks like the stubbornness is gonna just continue and the GOP is gonna stay far right and they will lose again in four years. I will be surprised if they survive the next midterms if the obstruction continues for every single issue.


If it wasn't for gerrymandering they would have lost the house too. It's the only thing they have going for them. I'm sure that the people will even love them more when everybody's taxes go up due to their failed attempt to protect tax cuts for the wealthy.

 

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  posted on 12/21/2012 at 10:28 PM
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"I don't think a majority of the country agrees with his politics."

Depends on the issue. When it comes to raising taxes on the wealthiest Americans, ending the war in Afghanistan and many other issues, Obama has a clear majority of Americans behind him. Other issues maybe not so much, but don't fool yourself into thinking that a majority of America disagrees with Obama on everything.

Still, it is only fair to point out that Obama was just a whole lot better at politics than Romney, and the more we find out about the inner workings of the recent campaign, the more stark that contrast becomes.



Of course not on everything. But on a lot of things. The majority of Americans want prosperity and growth of jobs. Obama's policies will no more bring that about the second term than the first. And while he seems to have some skill at politics (helped by a very compliant media very interested in covering up or not reporting on his leftist roots) he has very little skill at governing in my opinion.

 

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In case you haven't had a chance to check out the article, here is a link....

http://poy.time.com/2012/12/19/person-of-the-year-barack-obama/#ixzz2FXkQeN YF

I know some conservatives will be upset about this, and others will make inevitable comparisons to other "bad guys" who won the award, including Adolf Hitler back in the 30s. As the inclusion of Hitler and others indicate, the award doesn't necessarily mean you're the world's nicest person. It is more indicative of someone's influence on society, how large their footprint was on the year.

I found the article fascinating, and whether you like Obama or not, you might find it interesting. Here are my two quick points...

(1) This election was won more on tactics and less on politics than some of my fellow Democrats would like to admit.

The organizational superiority of the Obama campaign over the Romney campaign had as much to do with the final result as the finer points of economic policy or other issues. Still, part of Romney's pitch was that he was a successful businessman and would therefore run a tighter ship as President than Obama. The actual performance of Romney's campaign vs. Obama's does not support that theory.

(2) The Obama campaign did exhaustive focus group research leading up to the election, and the single biggest advantage they found for Obama over Romney was that people trust Obama more. Romney's people apparently found the same thing in their polls.

I'm curious to hear conservatives response to this, because many of them seem to regard Obama as an inherently dishonest and untrustworthy person. I'm genuinely intrigued as to how they feel about the fact that a solid majority of Americans, even many who disagree with his policies, feel that Obama is a good and decent man at heart.

I'm sure comments about "sheep" and people being brainwashed by "the liberal media" will probably be involved


As you know I agree it was won on tactics because I don't think a majority of the country agrees with his politics. As he is going to discover again soon enough just as he did after his first election.


Tactics??????????????????????? Come on man, I know you know better than that. Enough of the sore loser excuses. Romney was a horrible candidate and he got his ass handed to him plain and simple end of story. Romney all of his people and you and others all insisted that the polling was wrong and that he was gonna win. He lost just as all polls said all along and he got beaten badly, even worse than the polls showed. He only won one swing state which was even more of a surprise. For people to now claim that tactics won the election and that the majority of the country doesn't agree with Obama's politics is pure BS as polls since the election prove the opposite. The Congress had better wake up to reality because their approval rating is around an abysmal 15% which SHOULD be an embarrassment but doesn't seem to bother them. No pressure on Obama anymore, he is here for 4 more. If Congress thinks that Obama is gonna get the blame for any further obstruction they are dreaming and they should start checking their mail boxes for pink slips in about 2 years. Obama has even given in and compromised more than he has to after such a big election victory. Bottom line to all of you right wing conservatives is that your side lost the election by a pretty large margin. Time to buck up and do what the MAJORITY of Americans voted for especially when it comes to tax reform.


Of course I agree Romney sucked as a candidate. And yes. tactics won it for Obama because never before in history has a president been re-elected with approval numbers like he had OR economic numbers that existed. So I give him credit for running a tactically (and strategically for that matter) superior campaign. How that is being a sore loser I don't know.

 

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  posted on 12/21/2012 at 10:59 PM
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Of course not on everything. But on a lot of things. The majority of Americans want prosperity and growth of jobs. Obama's policies will no more bring that about the second term than the first. And while he seems to have some skill at politics (helped by a very compliant media very interested in covering up or not reporting on his leftist roots) he has very little skill at governing in my opinion.


I think the GOP in the house are the ones showing how not to govern, not Obama. When they can't even agree among themselves how to pass a plan to avoid tax increases for everyone, how is Obama suppose to work with them.

 

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  posted on 12/21/2012 at 11:06 PM
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In case you haven't had a chance to check out the article, here is a link....

http://poy.time.com/2012/12/19/person-of-the-year-barack-obama/#ixzz2FXkQeN YF

I know some conservatives will be upset about this, and others will make inevitable comparisons to other "bad guys" who won the award, including Adolf Hitler back in the 30s. As the inclusion of Hitler and others indicate, the award doesn't necessarily mean you're the world's nicest person. It is more indicative of someone's influence on society, how large their footprint was on the year.

I found the article fascinating, and whether you like Obama or not, you might find it interesting. Here are my two quick points...

(1) This election was won more on tactics and less on politics than some of my fellow Democrats would like to admit.

The organizational superiority of the Obama campaign over the Romney campaign had as much to do with the final result as the finer points of economic policy or other issues. Still, part of Romney's pitch was that he was a successful businessman and would therefore run a tighter ship as President than Obama. The actual performance of Romney's campaign vs. Obama's does not support that theory.

(2) The Obama campaign did exhaustive focus group research leading up to the election, and the single biggest advantage they found for Obama over Romney was that people trust Obama more. Romney's people apparently found the same thing in their polls.

I'm curious to hear conservatives response to this, because many of them seem to regard Obama as an inherently dishonest and untrustworthy person. I'm genuinely intrigued as to how they feel about the fact that a solid majority of Americans, even many who disagree with his policies, feel that Obama is a good and decent man at heart.

I'm sure comments about "sheep" and people being brainwashed by "the liberal media" will probably be involved


As you know I agree it was won on tactics because I don't think a majority of the country agrees with his politics. As he is going to discover again soon enough just as he did after his first election.


Tactics??????????????????????? Come on man, I know you know better than that. Enough of the sore loser excuses. Romney was a horrible candidate and he got his ass handed to him plain and simple end of story. Romney all of his people and you and others all insisted that the polling was wrong and that he was gonna win. He lost just as all polls said all along and he got beaten badly, even worse than the polls showed. He only won one swing state which was even more of a surprise. For people to now claim that tactics won the election and that the majority of the country doesn't agree with Obama's politics is pure BS as polls since the election prove the opposite. The Congress had better wake up to reality because their approval rating is around an abysmal 15% which SHOULD be an embarrassment but doesn't seem to bother them. No pressure on Obama anymore, he is here for 4 more. If Congress thinks that Obama is gonna get the blame for any further obstruction they are dreaming and they should start checking their mail boxes for pink slips in about 2 years. Obama has even given in and compromised more than he has to after such a big election victory. Bottom line to all of you right wing conservatives is that your side lost the election by a pretty large margin. Time to buck up and do what the MAJORITY of Americans voted for especially when it comes to tax reform.


Of course I agree Romney sucked as a candidate. And yes. tactics won it for Obama because never before in history has a president been re-elected with approval numbers like he had OR economic numbers that existed. So I give him credit for running a tactically (and strategically for that matter) superior campaign. How that is being a sore loser I don't know.


Can't disagree. To me, what's laughable is this insistence that it was all agenda driven, rejection of so-and-so's policies, ect. The majority of people don't even follow politics, could care less about it. They couldn't have told you who's agenda was who's or who wants to do what, and half the people that tried would get it wrong. Most people know little or nothing about politics. Bottom line.

As far as being a sore loser, I'm not at all bothered by the outcome really. Nothing really changed. I also will always believe that everything happens for a reason as far as the BIG picture goes so I'm fine with it.

 

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This guy was Time Magazines Man of the Year too, just sayin

 

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I think the GOP in the house are the ones showing how not to govern, not Obama. When they can't even agree among themselves how to pass a plan to avoid tax increases for everyone, how is Obama suppose to work with them.


I thought they all walked in lockstep and did anything Rush Limbaugh told them to.

 

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Obama did a much better job attracting the low-information voter


What? Didn't everyone get their "Obama Phone" ??? This Lady sure did ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpAOwJvTOio

 

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What? Didn't everyone get their "Obama Phone" ??? This Lady sure did ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpAOwJvTOio

For a guy smarter than anyone whoever visited this forum try pulling your head out of your ass .. this bull **** was called months ago .. http://thinkprogress.org/election/2012/09/27/924011/the-truth-about-the-oba ma-phone/?mobile=nc

Talk about the misinformed .. it's you!

 

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Misinformed but well-hydrated - because he keeps drinking the Kool-aid!
 

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In case you haven't had a chance to check out the article, here is a link....

http://poy.time.com/2012/12/19/person-of-the-year-barack-obama/#ixzz2FXkQeN YF

I know some conservatives will be upset about this, and others will make inevitable comparisons to other "bad guys" who won the award, including Adolf Hitler back in the 30s. As the inclusion of Hitler and others indicate, the award doesn't necessarily mean you're the world's nicest person. It is more indicative of someone's influence on society, how large their footprint was on the year.

I found the article fascinating, and whether you like Obama or not, you might find it interesting. Here are my two quick points...

(1) This election was won more on tactics and less on politics than some of my fellow Democrats would like to admit.

The organizational superiority of the Obama campaign over the Romney campaign had as much to do with the final result as the finer points of economic policy or other issues. Still, part of Romney's pitch was that he was a successful businessman and would therefore run a tighter ship as President than Obama. The actual performance of Romney's campaign vs. Obama's does not support that theory.

(2) The Obama campaign did exhaustive focus group research leading up to the election, and the single biggest advantage they found for Obama over Romney was that people trust Obama more. Romney's people apparently found the same thing in their polls.

I'm curious to hear conservatives response to this, because many of them seem to regard Obama as an inherently dishonest and untrustworthy person. I'm genuinely intrigued as to how they feel about the fact that a solid majority of Americans, even many who disagree with his policies, feel that Obama is a good and decent man at heart.

I'm sure comments about "sheep" and people being brainwashed by "the liberal media" will probably be involved


As you know I agree it was won on tactics because I don't think a majority of the country agrees with his politics. As he is going to discover again soon enough just as he did after his first election.


Tactics??????????????????????? Come on man, I know you know better than that. Enough of the sore loser excuses. Romney was a horrible candidate and he got his ass handed to him plain and simple end of story. Romney all of his people and you and others all insisted that the polling was wrong and that he was gonna win. He lost just as all polls said all along and he got beaten badly, even worse than the polls showed. He only won one swing state which was even more of a surprise. For people to now claim that tactics won the election and that the majority of the country doesn't agree with Obama's politics is pure BS as polls since the election prove the opposite. The Congress had better wake up to reality because their approval rating is around an abysmal 15% which SHOULD be an embarrassment but doesn't seem to bother them. No pressure on Obama anymore, he is here for 4 more. If Congress thinks that Obama is gonna get the blame for any further obstruction they are dreaming and they should start checking their mail boxes for pink slips in about 2 years. Obama has even given in and compromised more than he has to after such a big election victory. Bottom line to all of you right wing conservatives is that your side lost the election by a pretty large margin. Time to buck up and do what the MAJORITY of Americans voted for especially when it comes to tax reform.


Of course I agree Romney sucked as a candidate. And yes. tactics won it for Obama because never before in history has a president been re-elected with approval numbers like he had OR economic numbers that existed. So I give him credit for running a tactically (and strategically for that matter) superior campaign. How that is being a sore loser I don't know.


Can't disagree. To me, what's laughable is this insistence that it was all agenda driven, rejection of so-and-so's policies, ect. The majority of people don't even follow politics, could care less about it. They couldn't have told you who's agenda was who's or who wants to do what, and half the people that tried would get it wrong. Most people know little or nothing about politics. Bottom line.

As far as being a sore loser, I'm not at all bothered by the outcome really. Nothing really changed. I also will always believe that everything happens for a reason as far as the BIG picture goes so I'm fine with it.


Can you provide any backup to support your dogmatic premise in first paragraph?

Give people a bit more credit.

 
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