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  posted on 1/14/2013 at 06:31 PM
I alwas thought that "icing" a kicker in a football game is silly. There can be no conclusive evidence that it works, nor can their ever be. I'll bet Seattle would love to have their "icing" strategy from yesterdays game back....

Any thoughts or am I just way out in left field ??

 

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  posted on 1/14/2013 at 07:05 PM
The practice regimen and routine for those guys is basically kicking the ball through uprights from various distances and angles over and over and over again. I've known a couple who played in college and pro's. They find the whole, "icing" practice to be pretty silly. For the most part, they LIVE for that moment in the crunch where it all comes down to them. It's what they do.

 

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  posted on 1/14/2013 at 07:06 PM
i think it showed one time on espn or something that calling that time out makes very little difference
 

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  posted on 1/14/2013 at 07:11 PM
I was at the game What a finish!

For what it's worth, Matt Bryant was fully aware that time had been called before the "practice" kick, and to my eyes he seemed to give a somewhat perfunctory, half-assed effort.

When he knew it was for real, he nailed it through the uprights, and it would have been good from 60 yards.

 
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  posted on 1/14/2013 at 07:43 PM
This is sports and its all statistically driven. There is absolutely evidence (can't speak to how "conclusive" you'll find it) that the percentage drops after icing the kicker.

There may have been an SI or ESPN article about this pretty recently but I'm not where I can search for it.

Anyway, iirc, it was about a 5 - 15 percent difference. Not much but it is less. If you've got the TO to burn why not use it if the stats back it up? Oddly enough, icing was more effective in overtime.

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  posted on 1/14/2013 at 09:57 PM
I think the icing the kicker thing is kind of dumb, particularly when you call the timeout at the last second and give the kicker a practice try.

In the Falcons' case, Bryant, the snapper, and holder all knew his pracitice kick was after the whistle blows. Not sure he would have missed it if it were the actual live kick (you never know). He definitely made the one that counted after the timeout!!! Go Falcons.

 

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  posted on 1/15/2013 at 06:34 AM
Well, there is that case last year when Dallas iced their own kicker. The play ran through even though time had been called. The kicker made the FG. When it was for real, he missed and Dallas lost.

 

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  posted on 1/15/2013 at 09:36 AM
It's just a chance a coach takes. As others have said, Bryant clearly knew the whistle had blown. I think it's kind of dumb, but it's no less of a waste of time than a coach lining up on 4th and short and trying to get the defense to jump and calling a time out if it doesn't work. Just a gamble.

As a Packers fan, I was glad to see the Falcons pull that one out. There was some small sense of redemption in seeing Seattle's season end in the exact same way they "beat" the Packers at the beginning of the season (int on a hail mary). Plus, I think we can all agree that Pete Carroll is a giant douche.

 

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  posted on 1/15/2013 at 10:50 AM
Cant blame Carol. If it went the other way he would be a genius. Its a flip of a coin.
 

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  posted on 1/15/2013 at 10:53 AM
Of course this was my favorite from last yr. Always makes me smile

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  posted on 1/15/2013 at 11:04 AM
The TV networks love it. Gives 'em an extra 2 minutes to hawk beer and sports cars.

 

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  posted on 1/15/2013 at 11:06 AM
Not a big fan of icing the kicker, but imo, its a situational thing.

If they're kicking indoors or in good weather, I wouldn't call time out, I'd let the pressure of the situation hang on the kicker to hit it there and then, and not allow him to collect his thoughts and visualize his attempt.

On the flip side, if we're dealing with inclement weather, especially extreme cold, wind, or rain, I think I maybe would call the timeout to let him stand out there in the elements and think about all the additional factors that are going to be part of the attempt.

 

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  posted on 1/15/2013 at 11:09 AM
From ESPN Stats & Info...

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Since 2001 (including the playoffs), kickers have successfully hit field goals at an 81 percent rate when no timeout was called prior to the snap, and 76 percent when a timeout was called.

However, it’s worth noting that the average distance on “iced” kicks is 39 yards, compared to 36 yards on kicks on which timeout was not called.

Also interesting: In overtime, the average distance of kicks after timeouts and kicks with no timeouts called is about the same (37 yards).

In that instance, “icing the kicker” by calling timeout works. Kickers hit only 69 percent when “iced”, 87 percent when they are not.

http://espn.go.com/blog/statsinfo/post/_/id/52330/nfl-fans-asked-stats-info -answered-2



 

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  posted on 1/15/2013 at 12:40 PM
wasn't there a game this year when a coach called a timeout whrn his own kicker was about try a field goal ? the center snaps the ball and the kicker makes it..on the real kick he misses
 

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  posted on 1/15/2013 at 12:40 PM
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Cant blame Carol. If it went the other way he would be a genius. Its a flip of a coin.


Carol may be a genius or just smart for drafting Russell Wilson. Wilson should be Rookie Of The Year. He's oustanding.

 

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  posted on 1/15/2013 at 01:38 PM
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wasn't there a game this year when a coach called a timeout whrn his own kicker was about try a field goal ? the center snaps the ball and the kicker makes it..on the real kick he misses


there was a NY Jets vs miami dolphins game that happened

 

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  posted on 1/15/2013 at 01:41 PM
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I was at the game What a finish!

For what it's worth, Matt Bryant was fully aware that time had been called before the "practice" kick, and to my eyes he seemed to give a somewhat perfunctory, half-assed effort.

When he knew it was for real, he nailed it through the uprights, and it would have been good from 60 yards.


If Matt heard the whistle, then why not just shut it down to prevent any injury. Makes sense to me.

Safe it for the real kick.





[Edited on 1/15/2013 by spacemonkey]

 

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  posted on 1/15/2013 at 02:56 PM
Maybe I'm missing the sarcasm, but the odds of injury on a practice kick with no one rushing at you are slim to none in that case. Why not judge the distance and exact angle with a practice kick. He tends to go forward with the practice kick in situations (it's not the first time). Go Falcons.

 

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  posted on 1/15/2013 at 06:30 PM
Tim is exactly right. I've seen this many times before, and whenever anybody "ices" Bryant he just goes ahead and kicks it anyway. He probably does it just to keep his routine the same.

If anything, he might be in more danger of hurting himself by pulling up short at the last second. Just kick it, and then after the timeout, kick it again. It makes the whole "icing" thing not such a big deal.

Considering how many game-winning field goals Bryant has kicked for the Falcons, his plan apparently works

 
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  posted on 1/15/2013 at 06:40 PM
Kickers generate a lot of torque with their hips to make those long kicks.

I think it is only natural to shut down when you hear the whistle in any sport.
But do so in a way not to injure one's self. IMO .

the difference in how much the kicker opens his hips for the kick makes a difference in direction.

Icing does not work (statistically speaking) so to use this as a coach, with the possibility of injury to any player letting up, seems very unsportsmanlike to me.





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  posted on 1/15/2013 at 07:43 PM
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It's just a chance a coach takes. As others have said, Bryant clearly knew the whistle had blown. I think it's kind of dumb, but it's no less of a waste of time than a coach lining up on 4th and short and trying to get the defense to jump and calling a time out if it doesn't work. Just a gamble.

As a Packers fan, I was glad to see the Falcons pull that one out. There was some small sense of redemption in seeing Seattle's season end in the exact same way they "beat" the Packers at the beginning of the season (int on a hail mary). Plus, I think we can all agree that Pete Carroll is a giant douche.






Love the Hawks , love Pete Carroll I was at the. Green Bay game and the refs made some terrible calls that went GB way , nice to see the Packers hang in there and keep it close against SF lol

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  posted on 1/15/2013 at 08:26 PM
All great responses....

Without getting into quantam physics or mechanics (which I know nothing abut) or letting the kicker kick the ball, I don't see any conclusve evidence that this strategy works...

 

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It's just a chance a coach takes. As others have said, Bryant clearly knew the whistle had blown. I think it's kind of dumb, but it's no less of a waste of time than a coach lining up on 4th and short and trying to get the defense to jump and calling a time out if it doesn't work. Just a gamble.

As a Packers fan, I was glad to see the Falcons pull that one out. There was some small sense of redemption in seeing Seattle's season end in the exact same way they "beat" the Packers at the beginning of the season (int on a hail mary). Plus, I think we can all agree that Pete Carroll is a giant douche.


Love the Hawks , love Pete Carroll I was at the. Green Bay game and the refs made some terrible calls that went GB way , nice to see the Packers hang in there and keep it close against SF lol

[Edited on 1/16/2013 by dimplesjbc]


Not that I am still hung up on this game, but while the Seahawks' D played well against the Packs' O-line, that entire last drive was extended by horrible calls that went Seattle's way (erroneous roughing the passer, phantom pass interference, phantom Golden Taint catch). I don't know why Seattle fans can't just admit they were given a gift and the Packers got hosed. Even the NFL knew it. Luckily, by the end of the season, the only thing it affected was the Packers' D got steamrolled in SF rather than at home in the playoffs.

And Pete Carroll is still a whiny douche. I'm surprised the Washington fans embraced him after having to put up with him in the PAC-10 for so many years.

 

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  posted on 1/16/2013 at 10:28 AM
the only thing good about "icing" should be on top of a cake........I think icing makes no sense. as if the kicker was on the sidelines napping and not thinking about the kick during the last drive....Its like waving those noodles or screaming a guy shooting foul shots. like anything you make some you miss some.. i think if anything a kicker waiting in his mind for the time out and not getting it would f*&$k you up more.. and yes blue dad u out there!!

 

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  posted on 1/16/2013 at 01:15 PM
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the only thing good about "icing" should be on top of a cake........I think icing makes no sense. as if the kicker was on the sidelines napping and not thinking about the kick during the last drive....Its like waving those noodles or screaming a guy shooting foul shots. like anything you make some you miss some.. i think if anything a kicker waiting in his mind for the time out and not getting it would f*&$k you up more.. and yes blue dad u out there!!


Tell that to the NY football Giants last yr

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