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  posted on 1/18/2013 at 05:46 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnUTvTGvVyc

There's a nice Queen of Hearts for you from The Palace of Fine Arts, San Francisco, CA, 1-15-13. Please Call Home was very, very sweet.......The Sky Is Crying with daughter Layla was very cool as well.

Overall however I must say this show bored me to tears. I've seen Gregg Allman & Friends somewhere around a dozen times now and this one was not near the top. I've seen Gregg REALLY nail it, like in Florida in 2006 @ The Sarasota Blues Festival. I'd prefer more soul music.........Love Light, Slip Away, Turn Me Loose, or his soulful rendition of Just Like A Woman. I'd like to hear more from Searching For Simplicity, like Dark End of The Street and House of Blues.

I will say that Gregg's voice sounded quite strong. But a setlist which includes no less than seven ABB tunes is very tired in my opinion:

Statesboro Blues (sick of it)
Whipping Post (sick of it)
One Way Out (sick of it)
Melissa (great tune but overplayed)
Midnight Rider (see above)
Don't Keep Me Wonderin' (didn't care for the arrangement)
Please Call Home (I'd keep this around, he doesn't play it much, and as mentioned it was great)

Only two from Low Country Blues: Floating Bridge and I Can't Be Satisfied



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  posted on 1/18/2013 at 05:51 PM
Add the two Floyd Miles songs:

"Back to Daytona" & "You must be crazy"

I've seen my last GA show.

His voice does sound great though, but I'm with you Rob, same old set-lists, show after show. I do believe this guy hates to rehearse...

 

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  posted on 1/18/2013 at 08:03 PM
The fact is, the GAB and the ABB both suffer from TOSL: Tired Old Set Lists. Gregg had 5 great years as a songwriter before booze, blooze and drugs took their toll. He's been incessantly playing these core songs for 40+ years. They are OLD and TIRED: No way to keep re-arranging them. Both ABB and GAB sound, at times, like imitations of themselves when they were fresh.

I love the music, he's one of the great great singers, and if he sat in with people and sang THEIR songs it would be more thrilling to me than yet another band doing Midnight Rider and Statesboro blues.

Personally, I wish him all the best. Truth is, 90% of the time, he has nothing new or newly relevant to add to things. If he plays another 20 years, he'll still do the same TOSL.

 

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  posted on 1/19/2013 at 12:24 AM
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The fact is, the GAB and the ABB both suffer from TOSL: Tired Old Set Lists. Gregg had 5 great years as a songwriter before booze, blooze and drugs took their toll. He's been incessantly playing these core songs for 40+ years. They are OLD and TIRED: No way to keep re-arranging them. Both ABB and GAB sound, at times, like imitations of themselves when they were fresh.

I love the music, he's one of the great great singers, and if he sat in with people and sang THEIR songs it would be more thrilling to me than yet another band doing Midnight Rider and Statesboro blues.

Personally, I wish him all the best. Truth is, 90% of the time, he has nothing new or newly relevant to add to things. If he plays another 20 years, he'll still do the same TOSL.


This maybe coming from left field and not necessarily on topic , But I've never seen GA solo and only have seen the ABB once (79 Enlightened Rouges tour) But to me you could replace GA&ABB with The Rolling Stones. Your comment would also be true, The Stones who IMO haven't released anything "relevant" since Some Girls in what 1978. Seems to me their last few releases have been mostly rehashes/Greatest Hits repacks of their old stuff.

 

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  posted on 1/19/2013 at 06:41 AM
Amazing how everyone pisses and moans that Gregg doesn't play the west coast and now complains about the setlist

All those all east coast shows indicated what he would play how can you be disappointed or surprised?

 

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  posted on 1/19/2013 at 07:23 AM
One Way Out and Statesboro Blues should be taken out and shot.

Then given a respectful burial.

Seriously, does anyone need to hear them again in their lifetime? The originals were thrilling on first few hearings - now, not so much.




 

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  posted on 1/19/2013 at 08:05 AM
I love these setlist threads. You guys act the like average concert patron is just like you and seen/heard 100 Gregg/ ABB shows, such that they can get tired of set lists.

That ain't the case.

 

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  posted on 1/19/2013 at 08:37 AM
I just read an interview with Gregg where he says he is going in to the studio in the early part of the summer I am assuming with GAF,hopefully he uses his band instead of studio musicians but at this point I will take any original music with him singing. I believe scott sharrard,bruce katz,jaycollins would make great writing partners for him. Just would love to see Jack Pearson and gregg collaborate again. Those setlists have got predictable with his band now. Unfortunately to the casual gregg listener all they want to hear is statesboro,melissa,whipping post,midnight rider . Every musician has those songs they have to play.
 

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  posted on 1/19/2013 at 08:45 AM
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Unfortunately to the casual gregg listener all they want to hear is statesboro,melissa,whipping post,midnight rider . Every musician has those songs they have to play.


Weird but you paraphrased me almost perfectly in an e-mail I sent to friends about the show. I said, "He seems to be catering to the casual fan, not the hardcore fan like myself." Fact is, there are not enough hardcore fans to fill up even a 982 seat venue like he played in San Francisco. Anyway, that will likely be my very last GA&F show. When you've seen him a dozen times and you're bored, it's time to stop going.

 

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  posted on 1/19/2013 at 09:43 AM
One thing I will say is that Gregg has made the comment at least a few times that they play something different every night. Which definitely isn't true. You would be extremely disappointed. They are all individually far more than worth seeing. In my opinion everyone should see Gregg at least once. There is spontaneity in their performance, which makes it different.

It seemed to me that when I went to his shows alot of the same people were there.


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  posted on 1/19/2013 at 11:18 AM
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Those setlists have got predictable with his band now. Unfortunately to the casual gregg listener all they want to hear is statesboro,melissa,whipping post,midnight rider . Every musician has those songs they have to play.


All good indeed but I disagree with this -- they don't have to be locked into playing them if they don't want to be --
the fact that they don't Want to rehearse new stuff or all their own stuff that's collected dust over the years, is surprising --

I would take a show w/some of those songs you mentioned, Sbound, EReed etc. -- if that show also included 2-3 songs culled from each of the WLDraw, 2 or 3 from the 1979-81 era, the 3 Epic records from the 90s, HTN (but not Heart of Stone )

basically a show w/out D&Cnfused, WDLHTBSo Sad, N&TDamage Done, TNTDODixie Down -- also singalongs please

shelve the cover-band approach for their long-time fans

would love it if the guys tuned out the casual listeners referred to, & work up some stuff they've never/seldom played before -- it wouldn't have to be an entire show, they could still do the tried&true ones they play at every show

 

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  posted on 1/19/2013 at 11:55 AM
Yeah, whenever someone asks for the latest GAF setlist, I wonder why. Just look at the last one.
 

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  posted on 1/19/2013 at 12:06 PM
There's nothing wrong with Gregg or the set list. Maybe y'all need more fiber in your diet, cause what's been coming out of y'all is definitely some sh*t.

What songs would you like to hear?

 

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  posted on 1/19/2013 at 12:12 PM
I attended Gregg's last 3 shows here in NorCal & as you can see from the set lists I posted in the GB, he varied the set list each night. I agree that he is catering to the casual fan, but, for a hardcore like me (82 times seen GA- both ABB & "solo") it was wonderful to see him healthy & in such good spirits!
As for folks who say they're tired of what he's playing, I say stay home, there'll be more room for me

 

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  posted on 1/19/2013 at 01:27 PM
If you go see Tony Bennett you're gonna hear Left my Heart in SF...so I guess if you go see Gregg you should expect the songs that made him what he is today.....At least Gregg wrote a lot of those tunes....Tony didn't write left My Heart in SF and in fact the dude was born in NY....hummmnph...Jus Kiddin....

If we see Derek in 2025 I bet he's gonna play Joyful Noise for the 100,000 time....will the fans complain????

 

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  posted on 1/19/2013 at 01:31 PM
I went to see them two night in a row one time and they played exactly the same songs in precisely the same order both nights. If they are mixing it up. That's great.

 

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  posted on 1/19/2013 at 01:45 PM
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If you go see Tony Bennett you're gonna hear Left my Heart in SF...so I guess if you go see Gregg you should expect the songs that made him what he is today.....At least Gregg wrote a lot of those tunes....Tony didn't write left My Heart in SF and in fact the dude was born in NY....hummmnph...Jus Kiddin....

If we see Derek in 2025 I bet he's gonna play Joyful Noise for the 100,000 time....will the fans complain????


Tony Bennett?..Really?...That's a fair comparison?

Fact is one of my Rock and Roll Idols is now officially OLD. he has been reduced to an "Oldies like" status, meaning his concert $$ is dependent on playing the songs the Classic rock FM/Satellite crowd recognizes. Too bad, his voice sounded so good.

An above poster was correct, standing in front of the Balboa waiting on friends I could not help but hear some of the oddest and least "fan-like" statements/questions I'd ever heard...

"This is the guy married to Cher?..right?"

"I've seen the 3rd brother quite a few times"

"I hope they play Ramlin' Man"

"It's funny the Allman brothers would play such a small theater"

I even overheard one woman say that she hoped Gregg would squeeze in his piano solo from "Jessica"...that's why she was there.

Yep, this lifelong fan has seen his last GA show and I'm sure I won't be missed.

 

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  posted on 1/19/2013 at 02:17 PM
For the most part, Gregg's been playing a rotating set list of about 25 songs the last 4 or so years. In any night, we'll get 18 to 20 songs. So there's a few swap outs that he can alternate. Musically, this touring band is really really tight - seasoned musicians. For the fact that I love the music & have great appreciation for the his solo band, I'll catch them when they come to town until such time as Gregg stops touring.

With that said, the sets are pretty predictable & almost in order of song selection. I'm thinking that to add in new material would require rehersals, & I'm not sure how much emphasis Gregg places upon that. So, in a way he can pretty much coast through the sets, which at this stage are polished. It may be a logistics issue of getting the players together prior to a tour or rehearsing on the road. Most of Gregg's tours are in the 2 to 3 week range then several months later another 2 to 3 week tour. I realize that when he recorded LCB that it required the band to do some rehearsing to mix some of the new songs in with the standards.

The best thing Gregg could do is to write some new songs, as he's stated often that he is doing. New originals would add much to his setlist. I hope this happens because his talents as a writer are prolific. However, I'm not holding my breadth, because that seems to be a line we've heard too many times without seeing anything new.


 

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An above poster was correct, standing in front of the Balboa waiting on friends I could not help but hear some of the oddest and least "fan-like" statements/questions I'd ever heard...

"This is the guy married to Cher?..right?"

"I've seen the 3rd brother quite a few times"

"I hope they play Ramlin' Man"

"It's funny the Allman brothers would play such a small theater"

I even overheard one woman say that she hoped Gregg would squeeze in his piano solo from "Jessica"...that's why she was there.

Yep, this lifelong fan has seen his last GA show and I'm sure I won't be missed.


Damn, that is funny Vince!


 

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  posted on 1/19/2013 at 02:41 PM
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I'm thinking that to add in new material would require rehearsals, & I'm not sure how much emphasis Gregg places upon that.


Obviously, not very much. Perhaps this is why the set-lists have so many ABB tunes.

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I hope this happens because his talents as a writer are prolific.


Prolific?... I think not. Bob Dylan is a prolific songwriter as are the likes of John Hiatt, Jackson Browne, Springsteen, Bernie Taupin, Lennon, McCartney, Petty and Neil Young......the list goes on.

Gregg has written and handful of memorable tunes, but "Prolific'....he is not.

 

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If you go see Tony Bennett you're gonna hear Left my Heart in SF...so I guess if you go see Gregg you should expect the songs that made him what he is today.....At least Gregg wrote a lot of those tunes....Tony didn't write left My Heart in SF and in fact the dude was born in NY....hummmnph...Jus Kiddin....

If we see Derek in 2025 I bet he's gonna play Joyful Noise for the 100,000 time....will the fans complain????


Tony Bennett?..Really?...That's a fair comparison?

Fact is one of my Rock and Roll Idols is now officially OLD. he has been reduced to an "Oldies like" status, meaning his concert $$ is dependent on playing the songs the Classic rock FM/Satellite crowd recognizes. Too bad, his voice sounded so good.

An above poster was correct, standing in front of the Balboa waiting on friends I could not help but hear some of the oddest and least "fan-like" statements/questions I'd ever heard...

"This is the guy married to Cher?..right?"

"I've seen the 3rd brother quite a few times"

"I hope they play Ramlin' Man"

"It's funny the Allman brothers would play such a small theater"

I even overheard one woman say that she hoped Gregg would squeeze in his piano solo from "Jessica"...that's why she was there.

Yep, this lifelong fan has seen his last GA show and I'm sure I won't be missed.



The comparison is valid in that no matter who you go see there becomes a time when they play the tunes that made them famous. They know there's more people who only go to see them once in a while compared to those who go to see them every time.

I also think Gregg doesn't like to rehearse and he would need to if he brought in new songs....he'd also disappoint the causal fan who doesn't like the unknown thrown at them

As you can attest to by the comments heard

 

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  posted on 1/19/2013 at 03:14 PM
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There's nothing wrong with Gregg or the set list. Maybe y'all need more fiber in your diet, cause what's been coming out of y'all is definitely some sh*t.

What songs would you like to hear?


Clearly, peeps want to hear something new. Maybe something that isn't exactly the same as the previous set or the one before that or the one before that or....

This acceptance that Gregg can do no wrong is part of the problem

 

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I'm thinking that to add in new material would require rehearsals, & I'm not sure how much emphasis Gregg places upon that.


Obviously, not very much. Perhaps this is why the set-lists have so many ABB tunes.

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I hope this happens because his talents as a writer are prolific.


Prolific?... I think not. Bob Dylan is a prolific songwriter as are the likes of John Hiatt, Jackson Browne, Springsteen, Bernie Taupin, Lennon, McCartney, Petty and Neil Young......the list goes on.

Gregg has written and handful of memorable tunes, but "Prolific'....he is not.


Your opinion; not mine. Maybe it's a definitional thing. I do believe prolific is a fair term in describing Gregg's songwriting. To name a couple - Midnight Rider & Melissa are classics. However in my opinion, his best tunes as a writer are Multi Colored Lady and Queen Of Hearts. QOH is an exceptionally powerful and well crafted song from the lyrics to the chord structure to the melody.

 

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  posted on 1/19/2013 at 03:49 PM
Given where he is in his career (long-time established artist) and the nature of his tours (one night stands over a couple of weeks) it's unlikely that he is going to push the envelope. Rare rock or blues artist that will after 40 years performing. I wonder though what would happen if he did a residency at some smaller intimate club for a couple of weeks? He certainly has made it known that he loves performing. In such a setting even he would be bored doing the same packet of songs night after night.

BTW, was great to see healthy Gregg in fine voice in SF. Was my first time seeing GA&F (although attended many ABB shows over the years). Also I don't believe he missed a single cue or lyric. Having the legendary Jerry Jermont anchoring things on bass was also pretty special.

 

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  posted on 1/19/2013 at 05:23 PM
"Your opinion; not mine. Maybe it's a definitional thing. I do believe prolific is a fair term in describing Gregg's songwriting."

Fair enough, we differ on the definition of "prolific".....

 

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