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  posted on 3/2/2013 at 06:21 AM
The nanny state continues, from Chicago no less. From the city that has the best gun control laws in the nation, but the worst murder rates, now wants to teach your kids about sex education at the kindergarten level?


Chicago public schools will start sex education in kindergarten
Eric Owens

The dismally low graduation rate for students who attend Chicago Public Schools is barely over 60 percent – substantially lower than the national rate of roughly 75 percent. Nevertheless, citizens of the Second City will surely take heart, because the Chicago Board of Education just passed a new policy that requires sex education to begin in kindergarten.

The new policy, which was passed on Wednesday, according to ABC News, is part of a broader makeover of the school district’s sexual health program,

Sometime within the next two years, students in every grade, including kindergarten, will be required to spend a certain amount of time on the birds and the bees.

Mandated sex-ed for Chicago kindergartners will include instruction about male and female anatomy and reproduction. It’s not clear exactly how much detail five- and six-year-olds will be taught concerning the more sophisticated uses of their genitals.

By the time students get to third and fourth grade, the focus will include appropriate and inappropriate touching, as well as puberty and HIV/AIDS.

Coursework from fifth grade to 12th grades will concentrate on sexually-transmitted diseases and contraception. Abstinence will reportedly be presented as a possible method of birth control. Sexual orientation, gender identity and bullying related to those things will also be part of the curriculum at some point from fifth grade to 12th grade, as well.

One of the stated goals of the policy is to bring the Chicago Public Schools into accord with the national HIV/AIDS strategy of the Obama administration, notes ABC.

“It is important that we provide students of all ages with accurate and appropriate information so they can make healthy choices in regards to their social interactions, behaviors and relationships,” Chicago Public Schools CEO Barbara Byrd-Bennett said in a statement.

Response from parents who have children in the Chicago Public Schools was mixed, reports Fox News.

“I don’t think its age-appropriate,” parent Melissa Diebold told MyFoxChicago.com. “They have no concept of anything like that at that stage in life.”

Mikkel Nance, another parent, is more optimistic.

“[T]he only concern is how they implement it, and if they involved parents in that process and if they do so they’ll make that transition smoothly,” Nance told the local Fox affiliate.

Parents can remove their children from the sexual health education program if they want, but the apparent default is for kindergartners to learn about sex.

Chicago’s public school system is the nation’s third-largest school district, with approximately 431,000 students.

 

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  posted on 3/2/2013 at 09:05 AM
Well considering the teenage birth rate in the United States is the highest in the developed world, and the teenage abortion rate is also high, this sounds like a pretty good idea. Or they can just do nothing, like the Republican House.

 

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  posted on 3/2/2013 at 11:10 AM
I agree. It can't hurt that is for sure and if the right really want less abortion they should embrace something like this. It's not like children these days don't learn about sex, usually the wrong way through the wrong channels such as TV shows and movies that oooze with sexual content.

 

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  posted on 3/2/2013 at 11:13 AM
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Or they can just do nothing, like the Republican House


Is seems impossible for you to post anything without mentioning your disdain with the political party you despise so much. Life is too short to harbor so much spite over something as stupid as politics.

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Well considering the teenage birth rate in the United States is the highest in the developed world, and the teenage abortion rate is also high, this sounds like a pretty good idea


That IMHO is a family issue . The abortion rate is high because alot of people feel it is easier to use abortion as birth cntrol than other means or even abstinence. If ya look at the overall teaching practices or lack thereof in our nation's education scores. Makes one wondeer if they cannot teach kids how to read, write or do arithmatic on a consistant basis of quality. How do you expect them to educate children in other aspects of retaing knowledge, instruction, and any form of information ? You can't

 

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  posted on 3/2/2013 at 11:47 AM
Can't they just let them be children for awhile before bombarding them with info they haven't asked for, don't need at that age?

 

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  posted on 3/2/2013 at 12:08 PM
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Can't they just let them be children for awhile before bombarding them with info they haven't asked for, don't need at that age?


Would you rather they just get bombarded the wrong way through sexually laden TV shows, movies, and video games as they are now from the time they are able to understand?????? I would rather have someone explaining it to them the right way before all they know is what they have been taking in through social media and TV. Otherwise your kids will get their early sex education from shows like MTV's Jersey Shore and Teen Mom where out of control sex with anyone who comes along is glorified.

 

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  posted on 3/2/2013 at 01:11 PM
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Or they can just do nothing, like the Republican House


Is seems impossible for you to post anything without mentioning your disdain with the political party you despise so much. Life is too short to harbor so much spite over something as stupid as politics.

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Well considering the teenage birth rate in the United States is the highest in the developed world, and the teenage abortion rate is also high, this sounds like a pretty good idea


That IMHO is a family issue . The abortion rate is high because alot of people feel it is easier to use abortion as birth cntrol than other means or even abstinence. If ya look at the overall teaching practices or lack thereof in our nation's education scores. Makes one wondeer if they cannot teach kids how to read, write or do arithmatic on a consistant basis of quality. How do you expect them to educate children in other aspects of retaing knowledge, instruction, and any form of information ? You can't


Agree 100%.......


Sex education has no place in a kindergarten classroom, period. A child in kindergarten doesn't have a grasp on the language they are speaking at that age, what makes anyone think they would understand what the hell they were being told.

Our children already have more pressure on them as well as having to worry about things they shouldn't have to at much earlier ages than we did..... Now they are considering taking even more of their childhood away from them, really.

Speaking as a father of a 14 yr old daughter, I can say without hesitation, I don't want the school or government even mentioning the word sex to her at 14 much less when she was in kindergarten. That is our (the parents) responsibility (which, in my case, is taken seriously and we have educated our child on this subject) no one else ,govt may dictate some things in my life but this is one I would fight tooth and nail.





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  posted on 3/2/2013 at 02:43 PM
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Would you rather they just get bombarded the wrong way through sexually laden TV shows, movies, and video games as they are now from the time they are able to understand??????


That is what parents/family are supposed to do. Monitor and control what children bombard themselves with. If a parent cannot handle that responsibility, then perhaps they shouldn't be parents. If children have questions, the parents should answer those questions and not the school.

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I would rather have someone explaining it to them the right way


So have somebody else do the job of the parent ? woderful ideal. I suppose the right way is subjective. Schools are doing such a wonderful job teaching children as it is with normal school stuff that they are really gonna excel with this. I'd wager you are not a parent.

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before all they know is what they have been taking in through social media and TV. Otherwise your kids will get their early sex education from shows like MTV's Jersey Shore and Teen Mom where out of control sex with anyone who comes along is glorified.


I agree this is a major problem. Do you actually think that just because they are taught something in a classroom that it will make them turn the TV's off and not watch these shows ? Again, parent/family have the responsibility to address those issues and not the school. I did my best monitoring what my children were exposed to. You ask them to not watch certain things and in most cases they do not. Whn they did, all the TVs in the house were taken out as well as computers. When they go to friends homes, you the parent talks to the other parents and explain what shows and activities are not cool. It is really simple to fix the problem with little effort. Often a sacrifice has to be made, but heck...how many parents don't do that already regarding their children.

Relying on the schools to do certain things is a train wreck waitng to happen. If they cannot handle teaching kids to read, write and all that at a "respectable" level. Why expect them to show children how to be responsible concerning sex.

 

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  posted on 3/2/2013 at 02:56 PM
At a time when there are so many one parent households as well as households with parents with multipe jobs to make ends meet it is not that easy to monitor your kids all day every day at home and at friend's homes. You make monitoring your children out to be something that is so easy but in reality it is not. I am not a parent but many of my friends are and I don't think any of them are able to monitor their children 24/7 every second of the day. I am sure that the sex education they talk about teaching such young children is very tame and basic in it's approach. I don't think they are gonna go into hard core sexual details. I would want to know what the curiculum is before I comment further.

 

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You make monitoring your children out to be something that is so easy but in reality it is not.


I never said it was easy, but it is not impossible. Too many parents cop out regarding job, time, ect. and the children suffer because of it. Says alot for the parents, if they don't have time for their childen and have more of them or make excuses why their children behave or do the things they do. It's not hard to talk to kids and show that you care. Actually show that you are paying attention to what they do. Trust them, if/when that trust is broken, they understand they are accountable for their actions and then....a parent doesn't have to be there every second/minute/hour of the day.

 

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Or they can just do nothing, like the Republican House


Is seems impossible for you to post anything without mentioning your disdain with the political party you despise so much. Life is too short to harbor so much spite over something as stupid as politics.

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While I appreciate your concern it is unnecessary. I'm 57 years old have a very good 30+ year marriage, have a very successful 30+ year engineering career in the medical devices industry, sent 2 sons through college both of whom have very good jobs, my house will be completely paid off in November of 2013. It is nice of you to worry about my spiteful attitude though.

 

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While I appreciate your concern it is unnecessary. I'm 57 years old have a very good 30+ year marriage, have a very successful 30+ year engineering career in the medical devices industry, sent 2 sons through college both of whom have very good jobs, my house will be completely paid off in November of 2013. It is nice of you to worry about my spiteful attitude though.


Why is that justification to get so bent out of shape over something you have no control over whatsoever ? Guess I am too stupid to figure that out. Afterall, I am 47, paid cash for my 30 acres of land and built my own home on it. (cash for that as well) sent two of three kids thru college (the 3rd is in the marines) and as of November 2013. Just like today, I have no debt and still won't give a crap about politics and get my panties in a wad eveytime somebody badmouths a certaon party or posts something about the other.

 

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Can't they just let them be children for awhile before bombarding them with info they haven't asked for, don't need at that age?


Would you rather they just get bombarded the wrong way through sexually laden TV shows, movies, and video games as they are now from the time they are able to understand?????? I would rather have someone explaining it to them the right way before all they know is what they have been taking in through social media and TV. Otherwise your kids will get their early sex education from shows like MTV's Jersey Shore and Teen Mom where out of control sex with anyone who comes along is glorified.


Have you asked your children how they would feel about getting that info in Kindergarten?

 

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  posted on 3/2/2013 at 10:26 PM
"Condoms for kindergarten!"

 

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  posted on 3/3/2013 at 01:02 PM
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Can't they just let them be children for awhile before bombarding them with info they haven't asked for, don't need at that age?


Would you rather they just get bombarded the wrong way through sexually laden TV shows, movies, and video games as they are now from the time they are able to understand?????? I would rather have someone explaining it to them the right way before all they know is what they have been taking in through social media and TV. Otherwise your kids will get their early sex education from shows like MTV's Jersey Shore and Teen Mom where out of control sex with anyone who comes along is glorified.


Well you do have a point, so it seems like there are more than one issue here. The first one is what are we going to do about a culture that promotes sex in every way, shape and form to everyone, any time? There are no limits because people claim immunity from censorship under freedom of expression laws.

The second issue is what to do about the children who are five years old. Firstly, children should not all have their own television in their rooms, you cannot monitor what they watch that way. There should be ONE television in a recreational area of the home and people jointly decide what will be watched on it. The parents need to forego the sleaze shows that they enjoy to set a better example for their children; if they find that too repressive or impossible, then they can use the parental control technology available with Cable to block certain channels so the kids can't watch it on their own. They need to steop up, find other things for the children to do, other than use the television as a babysitter for their children.

 

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Can't they just let them be children for awhile before bombarding them with info they haven't asked for, don't need at that age?


Would you rather they just get bombarded the wrong way through sexually laden TV shows, movies, and video games as they are now from the time they are able to understand?????? I would rather have someone explaining it to them the right way before all they know is what they have been taking in through social media and TV. Otherwise your kids will get their early sex education from shows like MTV's Jersey Shore and Teen Mom where out of control sex with anyone who comes along is glorified.


Well you do have a point, so it seems like there are more than one issue here. The first one is what are we going to do about a culture that promotes sex in every way, shape and form to everyone, any time? There are no limits because people claim immunity from censorship under freedom of expression laws.

The second issue is what to do about the children who are five years old. Firstly, children should not all have their own television in their rooms, you cannot monitor what they watch that way. There should be ONE television in a recreational area of the home and people jointly decide what will be watched on it. The parents need to forego the sleaze shows that they enjoy to set a better example for their children; if they find that too repressive or impossible, then they can use the parental control technology available with Cable to block certain channels so the kids can't watch it on their own. They need to steop up, find other things for the children to do, other than use the television as a babysitter for their children.





Yeah but these days kids get bombarded from every angle. TV sets, smart phones, tablets, computers, video game consoles. It is very tough to shield kids these days with the amount of content out there and the way it is delivered. Then you also have to worry about whether or not your kids are being properly monitored and or shielded from all of the junk when they are at friends or relatives houses out of your sight. Not easy these days IMO.

 

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  posted on 3/3/2013 at 02:58 PM

I thought the government was supposed to stay out of social/moral issues.

 
 


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