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  posted on 3/5/2013 at 04:31 PM
By BOB JOHNSON and JEFF MARTIN, Associated Press
MONTGOMERY, Ala. (Associated Press) --
President Barack Obama's administration and the gun control debate after the Connecticut school shooting have led to surging numbers of anti-government "patriot" groups, according to a civil rights organization that tracks them.

The Southern Poverty Law Center reported the rising numbers on Tuesday in its annual report on extremist groups.

The number of anti-government patriot groups, one category tracked by the center, rose dramatically over the past four years, from 149 groups in 2008 to 1,360 today, researchers reported. That was up about 7 percent from the 1,274 active in 2011.

The election and re-election of the nation's first black president and the rugged economy have fueled their growth, said Mark Potok, a senior fellow at the SPLC.

"The anger, angst, frustration, fear surrounding the economy have very much poured fuel on this fire," Potok said.

On gun control, the debate following the Newtown, Conn., mass murder of schoolchildren has led to "a kind of white-hot rage unleashed on both the radical right and also within more mainstream political circles," he said.

In the week following the Dec. 14 school shooting, the Federal Bureau of Investigation said it conducted more background checks for firearms sales and permits to carry than it has in any other one-week period since 1998.

In a letter today to U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder and Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano, the SPLC warned of the potential for domestic terrorism and urged the creation of a task force to assess whether there are enough federal resources devoted to the threat.

"As in the period before the Oklahoma City bombing, we now are seeing ominous threats from those who believe that the government is poised to take their guns," wrote SPLC President Richard Cohen, a member of the Department of Homeland Security's Countering Violent Extremism Working Group.

The SPLC found there were 1,360 Patriot groups in 2012 _ an 813 percent rise since 2008, the year before Obama took office. The groups include 321 militias. These numbers far exceed the movement's peak in the 1990s, when militias were inflamed by the 1993 Brady Bill and the 1994 assault rifle ban.

Some critics believe the SPLC is too broad in labeling hate and extremist groups, to the point of including legitimate political organizations that oppose illegal immigration, gun control, gay rights and other issues.

The center's researchers say they use a variety of methods to track anti-government groups and compile their list from field reports, patriot publications, law enforcement sources and news reports. Potok said only active groups are included.

"We are not just looking at one man and a computer," he said.

The report states: "Generally, Patriot groups define themselves as opposed to the `New World Order,' engage in groundless conspiracy theorizing, or advocate or adhere to extreme anti-government doctrines."

The FBI defines military extremists as anti-government groups often organized into paramilitary groups that follow a military-style rank hierarchy and typically engage in wilderness, survival, or other paramilitary training, according to a September 2011 FBI report on domestic terrorism.

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Jeff Martin reported from Atlanta.

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Southern Poverty Law Center: http://www.splcenter.org/what-we-do/hate-and-extremism




 

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  posted on 3/5/2013 at 04:39 PM
One man's extremist nut-job is another man's patriot...

Considering the source.

 

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  posted on 3/5/2013 at 05:55 PM
Wonder if somebody was keeping track of SPLC members activities would they be crying foul in regards to their cival liberties being violated ?

 

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  posted on 3/5/2013 at 07:12 PM
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One man's extremist nut-job is another man's patriot...

Considering the source.


Only if the the other man is also an extremist nut job.

 

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One man's extremist nut-job is another man's patriot...

Considering the source.
was tim mcveigh a patriot?, did it give YOU a nice warm fuzzy feeling when he killed those little kids in OKC?.

 

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  posted on 3/5/2013 at 07:18 PM
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The report states: "Generally, Patriot groups define themselves as opposed to the `New World Order,' engage in groundless conspiracy theorizing, or advocate or adhere to extreme anti-government doctrines."




OK, who did everybody else think of when they read that?

 

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While in other news, Attorney General Holder today says that drone strikes on Americans on American soil is Constitutionally feasible.

You're worried about the wrong nut-jobs.

 

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  posted on 3/5/2013 at 07:39 PM
sounds like some propaganda to help move the drone program along-

Keep drinking it up Amerika!!

JPB is getting to me

 

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  posted on 3/5/2013 at 07:48 PM
Just what we need more extremist crazies congregating to oppose their American government. Can you say inbred!!!

 

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By BOB JOHNSON and JEFF MARTIN, Associated Press
MONTGOMERY, Ala. (Associated Press) --
President Barack Obama's administration and the gun control debate after the Connecticut school shooting have led to surging numbers of anti-government "patriot" groups, according to a civil rights organization that tracks them.

The Southern Poverty Law Center reported the rising numbers on Tuesday in its annual report on extremist groups.

The number of anti-government patriot groups, one category tracked by the center, rose dramatically over the past four years, from 149 groups in 2008 to 1,360 today, researchers reported. That was up about 7 percent from the 1,274 active in 2011.

The election and re-election of the nation's first black president and the rugged economy have fueled their growth, said Mark Potok, a senior fellow at the SPLC.

"The anger, angst, frustration, fear surrounding the economy have very much poured fuel on this fire," Potok said.

On gun control, the debate following the Newtown, Conn., mass murder of schoolchildren has led to "a kind of white-hot rage unleashed on both the radical right and also within more mainstream political circles," he said.

In the week following the Dec. 14 school shooting, the Federal Bureau of Investigation said it conducted more background checks for firearms sales and permits to carry than it has in any other one-week period since 1998.

In a letter today to U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder and Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano, the SPLC warned of the potential for domestic terrorism and urged the creation of a task force to assess whether there are enough federal resources devoted to the threat.

"As in the period before the Oklahoma City bombing, we now are seeing ominous threats from those who believe that the government is poised to take their guns," wrote SPLC President Richard Cohen, a member of the Department of Homeland Security's Countering Violent Extremism Working Group.

The SPLC found there were 1,360 Patriot groups in 2012 _ an 813 percent rise since 2008, the year before Obama took office. The groups include 321 militias. These numbers far exceed the movement's peak in the 1990s, when militias were inflamed by the 1993 Brady Bill and the 1994 assault rifle ban.

Some critics believe the SPLC is too broad in labeling hate and extremist groups, to the point of including legitimate political organizations that oppose illegal immigration, gun control, gay rights and other issues.

The center's researchers say they use a variety of methods to track anti-government groups and compile their list from field reports, patriot publications, law enforcement sources and news reports. Potok said only active groups are included.

"We are not just looking at one man and a computer," he said.

The report states: "Generally, Patriot groups define themselves as opposed to the `New World Order,' engage in groundless conspiracy theorizing, or advocate or adhere to extreme anti-government doctrines."

The FBI defines military extremists as anti-government groups often organized into paramilitary groups that follow a military-style rank hierarchy and typically engage in wilderness, survival, or other paramilitary training, according to a September 2011 FBI report on domestic terrorism.

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Jeff Martin reported from Atlanta.

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People don't go to church like they used to. Not nearly as many people have a fear of God.
Stores should be closed on Sunday. This country is dying from within just like we have always been told. Immorality is in. People don't care about each other for the most part. We are a society of self -centerd consumers.

 

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  posted on 3/5/2013 at 10:46 PM
Not sure what church going has to do with anything. I live a very moral life, treat everyone with respect, give money to charity, have never been arrested, and don't go to church or have any fear of God at all. On the orher hand, I'm constantly reading about priests, who I assume go to church every Sunday, molest chidren. It's great to be religious, but that doesn't mean that religious people are any more moral than anyone else.
 

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  posted on 3/6/2013 at 12:31 AM
Lost on this thread, too tired to read the article, but 2112 and pops said it all best.
Thanks 2112 and pops.

 

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While in other news, Attorney General Holder today says that drone strikes on Americans on American soil is Constitutionally feasible.

You're worried about the wrong nut-jobs.

What if he is right?

 

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  posted on 3/6/2013 at 08:36 AM
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Stores should be closed on Sunday.


We should all drive horse and buggies.


Spare me your religion, I could care less.

 

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Not sure what church going has to do with anything. I live a very moral life, treat everyone with respect, give money to charity, have never been arrested, and don't go to church or have any fear of God at all. On the orher hand, I'm constantly reading about priests, who I assume go to church every Sunday, molest chidren. It's great to be religious, but that doesn't mean that religious people are any more moral than anyone else.


Bingo!

I would add that when you're spending a Trillion plus a year out of the federal budget fighting evil and suddenly that money faucet is going to close slightly, you best start scaring people to justify your already hugely bloated budget. I'm referring specifically in this case of the Homeland Security part of our budget.

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One man's extremist nut-job is another man's patriot...

Considering the source.
was tim mcveigh a patriot?, did it give YOU a nice warm fuzzy feeling when he killed those little kids in OKC?.


Not surprising.

http://frontpagemag.com/2012/john-perazzo/mark-potok-hatemonger/

"A second unjustifiable practice by Potok and SPLC is their routine conflation of respectable conservative scholars, researchers, and journalists on the one hand, with morally bankrupt Klansmen, Aryan militiamen, and neo-Nazis (like Wade Michael Page) on the other. The objective of this tactic is to discredit and marginalize respectable conservatives by lumping them together with the very dregs of humanity and then smearing everyone with the same broad brush."

 

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Frank Gaffney Jr.? You gotta be kidding me? This complete cretin is an example of fairness? Another birther awipe and racist creep.



 

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  posted on 3/6/2013 at 11:54 AM
This kind of BS is designed just to shut people up. Won't work.

Tbomike, lets not forget the birther movement was hatched by the Hillary Clinton campaign and nobody was calling them nut jobs.

 

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While in other news, Attorney General Holder today says that drone strikes on Americans on American soil is Constitutionally feasible.

You're worried about the wrong nut-jobs.

What if he is right?


What about due process? That was pretty important to people like Holder 5-6 years ago.

 

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While in other news, Attorney General Holder today says that drone strikes on Americans on American soil is Constitutionally feasible.

You're worried about the wrong nut-jobs.

What if he is right?

What about due process? That was pretty important to people like Holder 5-6 years ago.

What about turning our country into an Orwellian nightmare?

But I expect that from a regime that requires complete fealty to their every whim

 

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Not sure what church going has to do with anything. I live a very moral life, treat everyone with respect, give money to charity, have never been arrested, and don't go to church or have any fear of God at all. On the orher hand, I'm constantly reading about priests, who I assume go to church every Sunday, molest chidren. It's great to be religious, but that doesn't mean that religious people are any more moral than anyone else.


I agree. This has zero to do with Church or religion.

 

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While in other news, Attorney General Holder today says that drone strikes on Americans on American soil is Constitutionally feasible.

You're worried about the wrong nut-jobs.

What if he is right?

What about due process? That was pretty important to people like Holder 5-6 years ago.

What about turning our country into an Orwellian nightmare?

But I expect that from a regime that requires complete fealty to their every whim
paranoia strikes deep/into your life it will creep

 

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  posted on 3/10/2013 at 08:28 AM
Ultra liberal California pro-black/pro-jewish blogger outs SPLC founder, Morris Dees, as a perverted sociopath and compares him to Ted Bundy...

Morris Dees, Pathological Narcissist and Ultra-Creep
http://robertlindsay.wordpress.com/2009/06/23/morris-dees-pathological-narc issist-and-ultra-creep/
June 23, 2009...1:10 pm


Normally, I donít give a damn about stuff like this. I donít care about womanizers. Some of my best friends were pretty notorious. But those guys for the most part had class. I donít even care too much about guys who cheat on their wives, though you ought to try to be discreet if you do it. JFK wasnít a bad man. Teddy Kennedy isnít a bad man. Neither is Bill Clinton. Not all men can be faithful, but I think if you canít, maybe you should not even get married in the first place.

This Morris Dees guy from the SPLC just goes way overboard.

Here are two pages from his divorce proceedings. This man is not just a sex addict and a womanizer, thatís not a problem. Worse, he is an out and out pathological narcissist. Heís like Ted Bundy or Jeffrey MacDonald. I suspect that in most cases, these guys are highly controlled like Dees and never commit any serious crimes, though they always push the envelope and often break the law.

For instance, it appears that Dees enjoyed peeping on his 16 year old daughter when she was naked. Also, at age 16, he appears to have either attempted to have sex with her or at the very least acted very inappropriately with her. I understand why men chase 16-year olds, but if you get caught, you are going down hard. The lawís the law. But what kind of a guy peeps on and tries to seduce his own 16 daughter, step-daughter or not?

Morris Dees, sexually, is simply a creep. I hate to say it but itís true. Heís more than a womanizer, heís an emotionally destroying monster. Heís a sexual psychopath and an emotional terrorist. As a man, he has no class. As a human being, heís no good. The guyís simply a **** . In White society, sooner or later, guys like this get punched out or even get their asses kicked. In more primitive societies, they might just get killed. Heís probably avoided all this because heís rich.

In 1978, Dees conducted an affair with a woman. Vicki Booker McGaha. He told the wife over and over he was going to knock it off, but then kept going back to her. Finally he dragged both women over to the house and played sick emotional power games with them, almost making them fight over him, toying with them like a cat toys with a mouse before he kills it.

Finally he told Maureene, the wife, that she could see other guys, since she was threatening divorce, but she had to be discreet about it. Was Morris Dees discreet about his affairs? Of course not!

The wife went to Washington DC and met a lover there. Dees tailed her there and followed her to her hotel room where he hid. When she was in bed with her lover, he burst out and took pictures with a camera, causing a huge scene.

Dees was acting insane, and Maureene was afraid he was going to kill everyone in the room. He screamed that he had five detectives with him. He freaked out and punched Maureene in the face, breaking her jaw. Afterward, he whipped out an abusive divorce contract and practically forced her sign it. She signed it out of fear. He later gave her copies of the photos taken that night and told her to destroy them, as he said they were the only copies. Dees lied once again, as he retained copies for himself.

Starting right after they were married, Dees bragged incessantly, always saying how with his looks and money, he could get any woman he wanted. He constantly told Maureene about how women were propositioning him. Later in the marriage, he frequently regaled with tales of all the women he had had affairs with while he was married to her.

Among other women he had affairs with was Cathy Bennett, a female psychologist. He brought her over to his home to meet his wife, and she stayed with them for a week. At the time, he was apparently having an affair with her.

The Dees threw a party at their home in 1977. D. Rodgers, a physician, showed up, along with his wife, Judith Rodgers, a criminal psychologist. Incredibly, Dees took the doctorís wife upstairs to his bedroom and had sex with her while the party was still going on!

Dees interviewed Deborah Levy, who worked for the ACLU, to run a magazine Dees was thinking of starting up that opposed the death penalty. The magazine never got going, but Levy and her boyfriend did visit the home for several days. Once Dees and his wife went on a canoe trip with the couple. Maureene woke in the night to find Dees having sex with Levy.

Dees turned to Maureene and ordered her to have sex with Levyís boyfriend, but Maureene was not into that. Shortly before morning, Maureene woke again and Dees and Levy were having sex again, this time right next to her. Dees turned and kissed her while he was screwing Levy. Maureene was very upset by this, and in the morning she said she did not want this stuff to happen again.

Later, Dees and his wife went to New York. While there, Dees insisted that the couple visit Levy and her boyfriend, Michael Gaas. The couple went out for dinner. The next day, all four were talking, and Dees interrupted the conversation to tell Gaas that Dees and Levy were planning to go off and have sex that afternoon. Maureene was enraged and embarrassed by this.

Gaas was shocked and said that if thatís what you want to do, go ahead and do it. So Dees and Levy went off the bedroom and had sex, leaving Maureene and Gaas sitting there. To get back at him, Maureene and Gaas had sex in the living room. 45 minutes later, Dees left the apartment, came back after a while, and punched Gaas in the face, apparently for having sex with Maureene.

Later the couple met Charlie Springman, a gay man who worked for the National Endowment for the Arts (NEA). Morris invited the man back up to their room over Maureeneís objections, and Dees kept trying to seduce Charlie while Charlie tried repeatedly to leave. Finally, Dees asked Charlie to get in bed with them, and Maureene said forget it and headed off to bed.

Later, Dees and Charlie ended up in bed, with Maureene in the middle. Dees and Charlie then leaned over Maureene and kissed and sucked each othersí cocks to Maureeneís displeasure.

In the morning, Dees left. He came back and found Maureene crying on the bed. Dees said it would never happen again.

Deesí son Scooter was dating Karen Sherman. She later married Scooter and became Karen Sherman Dees. At the time, they were 18 or 19 years old and were frequently over at Deesí house. Unbelievably, Dees seduced his own sonís girlfriend right in front of his sonís eyes!

After dinner one night, Maureene and Scooter were washing the dishes, and Dees and Karen took off for the pool. Maureene and Scooter later headed towards the pool too, but before they got there, Maureene saw Dees with his arms around Karen. Both were naked, and Dees had a hardon. Maureen turned around, decided she did not want to go swimming, and steered Scooter away from the pool.

Later that night, Dees and his wife were lying in bed. Karen came into the room, naked except for a towel. She proceeded to climb into bed on Deesí side. She stayed there for 10 minutes and then left.

This guy is just unbelievable. He wins Creep of the Year Award. I also insist that heís a pathological narcissist with sociopathic tendencies. Thatís redundant, because all pathological narcissists, and many narcissists for that matter, have sociopathic tendencies. Iím hardly an angel, but the way I see it is that Morris Dees is a bad man and a bad human being. Thatís leaving aside his outrageous hustle exercise in con artistry called the SPLC.


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  posted on 3/10/2013 at 12:02 PM
Seems like Dees is a hate group all by himself.

 

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