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  posted on 3/13/2013 at 11:14 AM
Yup. It's not crony capitalism, too big to fail, massive tax subsidies, dyfunctionally funded health coverage and retirement programs that the Baby Boomers didn't do a damn thing about for 40 years but they expect to get their share anyway or, hell, even unfunded wars that's the issue. It's all those lazy asses on welfare.

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  posted on 3/13/2013 at 12:07 PM
It's called buying votes ... obviously it works.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpAOwJvTOio

I know, lets tax the rich (anyone with a job) and give to those that don't want to work.

Take from the producers and give to the non-producers ...

No solutions, only blame. Typical.

No party is at fault or are they both at fault?

It amazes me that anyone has faith in either party at this point. But just keep watching MSNBC and FoxNews, they willl show you the way.

 

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I know, lets tax the rich (anyone with a job) and give to those that don't want to work.

Take from the producers and give to the non-producers ...


For such an anti-establishment crusader, you sure do embrace fascism when it suits you.

Go and check how much of the discretionary Federal budget goes towards food stamps as compared with the size of the entire budget.

I'll wait until you get back, then we can discuss how much of a burden that is placing on things as compared to a few other line items.

 

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I know, lets tax the rich (anyone with a job) and give to those that don't want to work.

Take from the producers and give to the non-producers ...


For such an anti-establishment crusader, you sure do embrace fascism when it suits you.

Go and check how much of the discretionary Federal budget goes towards food stamps as compared with the size of the entire budget.

I'll wait until you get back, then we can discuss how much of a burden that is placing on things as compared to a few other line items.

Bhawk's back and in fine fighting form - the crowd goes wild!

I think JPB was throwing a wider net though, and if we look at overall means-tested benefits, we're talking almost 1/3rd of Federal spending. It increased to about $1 trillion in 2011, all 80+ programs totaled. That's not insignificant.

 

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I know, lets tax the rich (anyone with a job) and give to those that don't want to work.

Take from the producers and give to the non-producers ...


For such an anti-establishment crusader, you sure do embrace fascism when it suits you.

Go and check how much of the discretionary Federal budget goes towards food stamps as compared with the size of the entire budget.

I'll wait until you get back, then we can discuss how much of a burden that is placing on things as compared to a few other line items.



"... embrace fascism..." Oh please....

 

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I know, lets tax the rich (anyone with a job) and give to those that don't want to work.

Take from the producers and give to the non-producers ...


For such an anti-establishment crusader, you sure do embrace fascism when it suits you.

Go and check how much of the discretionary Federal budget goes towards food stamps as compared with the size of the entire budget.

I'll wait until you get back, then we can discuss how much of a burden that is placing on things as compared to a few other line items.



"... embrace fascism..." Oh please....


Hey, I'm not the one that considers himself a keyboard revolutionary then adopts the talking points of those he supposedly abhors whenever the situation calls for it.

Hell, it's all in fun anyway.

 

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  posted on 3/13/2013 at 05:05 PM
Comparing feeding people, many of whom are children,elderly, mentally and physically handicapped to feeding wild animals. Nice.

[Edited on 3/13/2013 by Peachypetewi]

 

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  posted on 3/13/2013 at 07:52 PM
I have a question Rydethewind, what is your alternative solution to those that refuse/can't work for food?
 

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  posted on 3/13/2013 at 08:17 PM
Todays lesson: delete all bull sh!t right wing e-mails in your e-mail box.

 

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  posted on 3/13/2013 at 08:38 PM
All this right wing anti safety net stuff has always igored one thiing. There aren't enough jobs for the populaion. Many people have always needed public asstance and that number has incereases greatly in the past few years the govt has allowed U.S. corporations to ship all the manufacturing and technical service jobs out of the country. They don't complain about the enormus sums of money given to the military industrial complex for offensive more than defensive spending, just bitch about people barely getting bay. I think they should rethink their priorities.
 

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There aren't enough jobs for the populaion.


How dare you mention logic.

 

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There aren't enough jobs for the populaion. Many people have always needed public asstance and that number has incereases greatly in the past few years the govt has allowed U.S. corporations to ship all the manufacturing and technical service jobs out of the country.

Is it not possible that govt has essentially forced businesses to move due to anti-business policies?

We became an economic power because of individual liberty, resources, profit opportunities, and limited govt. Perhaps it's time to realize that economic improvement will not occur here until we focus on improving those factors once again.

 

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  posted on 3/13/2013 at 09:36 PM
Oh c'mon Fujirich, now you're blaming our government for corporate outsourcing? I love how you italicize "forced". What's the reason for the companies that don't outsource?

Corporate greed is the only reason for outsourcing, which should be banned in my opinion. I know, I'm a totalitarian. CEO's outsource to increase profit margins, not achieve them. Their few million dollars per year isn't enough, they need even more. Are you suggesting that giving tax breaks for corporations would cause them to keep everything in the U.S.? If a law was passed to give businesses tax breaks under the condition that they cannot outsource, would you support it?

 

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  posted on 3/13/2013 at 11:30 PM
Outsourcing does FAR more good for the US economy than it does harm. Many companies get in the neighborhood of 50% of their revenue through operations from abroad. How much less successful would a company like Coca Cola, Microsoft, or Exxon be if they did business nowhere but North America?

Saying no to outsourcing is saying no to operating in foreign markets and the vast opportunities that represents. The more successful US companies are globally, the more successful the US economy is.

 

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  posted on 3/14/2013 at 12:03 AM
There are multiple contributing factors to business decisions of where to produce. Of course profit is at the heart of that, but business isn't the March of Dimes. They exist to make a profit, else why would anyone go through the effort? Defining their motives exclusively as 'greed' is an intellectually lazy way of dismissing a more thorough analysis.

Worse; it's the default response of many who chose to deny that healthy commerce is the golden goose that makes everything else possible: roads, schools, entitlements, lifestyles, longer lives, you name it. Contrary to our idiot President's 'you didn't build that' perspective, none of what govt did or does is possible without healthy, strong, and opportunity-rich commerce. It is not a chicken or egg conundrum: commerce and profit must come first before govt can collect taxes to do anything. The unraveling of that is clearly evidenced in our looming fiscal crisis.

Corporate outsourcing should be banned? So we live in some sort of dark ages economic vacuum? What investor would put their money into any project in a country that would prohibit them from restructuring in a manner they see fit? It's a global economy, and closed systems died a long, long time ago. It's amazing how in a country made rich and powerful by individual liberty, limited govt, profit potential and opportunity many can not now see how the limitations and restraints placed on those factors now comprise our diminishing success. The wonders of govt schools at work.

I don't want tax breaks, grants, subsidies, or give-aways for any company. None. Zero. Zilch. That requires political control, which always results in corruption (the crony capitalism we have today). I want the complete end of business taxation because it's a fraud, a source of corruption, and creates an unequal playing field for competitors. Businesses don't pay taxes - their customers do. If you're new to this simple concept, consider; where do businesses get the money to pay their taxes? It must be built into the cost of what they charge their customers. Meaning that business tax is just a hidden form of taxing the income of the citizens.

I don't mind that GE or Facebook paid no taxes on billions in revenue. What I dislike is that only companies like theirs - who can afford the armies of lawyers and accountants capable of making that happen - are able to achieve that. At the same time, hundreds of thousands of medium and smaller businesses (the backbone of our economy and job creation) are forced to spend hundreds of billions each year to comply with impossibly arcane tax regulations forced on them by govt. All of that, to benefit politicians who want to hide another form of taxing incomes, while also preserving a system that keeps them in control and collecting contributions and payoffs from their business 'partners'.

But taxes are only the tip of the iceberg. There's the legal environment, labor policy, trade policy, energy policy, etc. All things discussed here many times, of which I have no desire to write further about.

If corporate greed is your concern, I'd suggest that at least equal energy be focused on similar activities of govt, who wields far greater power over every aspect of your life, liberty, and opportunity, and are virtually unconstrained in how they act. But that's entirely up to you.


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I know, lets tax the rich (anyone with a job) and give to those that don't want to work.

Take from the producers and give to the non-producers ...
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For such an anti-establishment crusader, you sure do embrace fascism when it suits you.

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"... embrace fascism..." Oh please....
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Hey, I'm not the one that considers himself a keyboard revolutionary then adopts the talking points of those he supposedly abhors whenever the situation calls for it.



Damn Bhawk, for such a smart dude, the fact that you can't pick up on my sarcasm kills me. And then you make my point for me by pointing out the clear fascism that exist in our country. Thank you !

And as far as a keyboard revolutionary, well, the revolution has already occured, it's the counter revolution that won't be televised. I have always said that you can't beat these guys, only hope to survive what they have coming.

Too funny. Do I always have to put the big {{{SARCASM}}} alert evertime I post sarcasm?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GrCHctYyWA









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I know, lets tax the rich (anyone with a job) and give to those that don't want to work.

Take from the producers and give to the non-producers ...
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For such an anti-establishment crusader, you sure do embrace fascism when it suits you.

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"... embrace fascism..." Oh please....
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Hey, I'm not the one that considers himself a keyboard revolutionary then adopts the talking points of those he supposedly abhors whenever the situation calls for it.



Damn Bhawk, for such a smart dude, the fact that you can't pick up on my sarcasm kills me. And then you make my point for me by pointing out the clear fascism that exist in our country. Thank you !

And as far as a keyboard revolutionary, well, the revolution has already occured, it's the counter revolution that won't be televised. I have always said that you can't beat these guys, only hope to survive what they have coming.

Too funny. Do I always have to put the big {{{SARCASM}}} alert evertime I post sarcasm?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GrCHctYyWA



To be honest, your posts are so far all over the place it is nearly impossible to tell when you are serious or not.

 

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  posted on 3/14/2013 at 08:41 AM
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Defining their motives exclusively as 'greed' is an intellectually lazy way of dismissing a more thorough analysis.


Rejecting and refusing to even consider greed and other human fallacies is libertarianism's greatest flaw.


 

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  posted on 3/14/2013 at 08:48 AM
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To be honest, your posts are so far all over the place it is nearly impossible to tell when you are serious or not.


Actually, I am pretty consistent . Sorry you missed the blatant sarcasm.

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Actually, I am pretty consistent . Sorry you missed the blatant sarcasm.


To be honest, your posts are so far all over the place it is nearly impossible to tell when you are serious or not.

 

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  posted on 3/14/2013 at 09:39 AM
Here is the problem. The wealthy keep getting more and more wealthy while the middle class and poor, the grunts who do the work to make the wealthy more wealthy have had their incomes remain stagnant and in some cases gone down. This while the cost of everything under the sun has gone up and up. The people who are the vast buyers of everything that has gone up in cost can't afford it any more and have cut back and cut back and cut back and cut back. It is no wonder the economy sucks and there are not enough jobs to go around. Between the outsourcing of American jobs and the lack of companies sharing down their profits with their middle class work force who create their ever growing profits the middle class is shrinking and dying a slow death. And through it all, the good times, the bad times, the recession and all the wealthy have come through in spades constantly growing and making a profit while everyone else suffer and still they bitch about having to pay more in taxes and bitch about what those taxes are used for??? With all of their profits they want to be felt sorry for. The greedy government taking away all of their profits and giving it away to all of those greedy slacker middle class and poor people, the ones who have helped them make their constant profits throughout the years. Booo Hooo Hooo!!!

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-10-02/top-1-got-93-of-income-growth-as-r ich-poor-gap-widened.html

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  posted on 3/14/2013 at 10:14 AM
The wealthy keep getting more and more wealthy (the Banksters) while the middle class and poor, the grunts who do the work to make the wealthy more wealthy have had their incomes remain stagnant and in some cases gone down. This while the cost of everything under the sun has gone up and up (inflation due to money printing). The people who are the vast buyers of everything that has gone up in cost can't afford it any more and have cut back and cut back and cut back and cut back. (their plan is working perfectly) It is no wonder the economy sucks and there are not enough jobs to go around. Between the outsourcing of American jobs (blame your government and their taxation policies) and the lack of companies sharing down their profits (why do they need to share down? Who took the risk? The worker? Nope.) with their middle class work force who create their ever growing profits the middle class is shrinking and dying a slow death. And through it all, the good times, the bad times, the recession and all the wealthy have come through in spades constantly growing and making a profit while everyone else suffer and still they bitch about having to pay more in taxes and bitch about what those taxes are used for??? (do you think they could create more jobs and grow their businesses and pay better wages if they paid less in taxes) With all of their profits they want to be felt sorry for. (no, not felt sorry for, just not demonized for it) The greedy government taking away all of their profits and giving it away to all of those greedy slacker middle class and poor people, (not the middle class, just the poor people who votes are needed) the ones who have helped them make their constant profits throughout the years. Booo Hooo Hooo!!! this is exactly how they want you to feel)

It's called class warfare, and obviously through your post, it works well.


My boss is a millionaire. He started with next to nothing and built a fantastic business. What does he owe me ??? Nothing. I am a grunt and I do work hard for him. I respect what he has built and I earn a good paycheck working for him and I thank my lucky stars everyday that he had the means to build such a fantastic place for me to work.

What I want to know is, who promised you anything in life. Who said life was going to be easy or fair? If you don't like working for a company, quit. Go start your own company on a shoestring and try to earn your piece of the American dream.

Do you really think they are encouraging businesses to expand and grow?

There is a reason companies are hiding profits overseas, just look at the tax rates? They are encouraging companies to go overseas with their profits and for hiring employees.

I am pretty sure this is exactly what our founders were running from in England. Too bad we couldn't escape the banksters and we won some battles, but have lost the war.

Price controls and wage controls are coming next. (see Weimar Germany for blueprint)

Isn't financial warfare fun {{{SARCASM}}}.

 

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  posted on 3/14/2013 at 10:19 AM
Welcome to America, where the very rich pay the rich to tell the middle class that their problems are the fault of the poor.

 

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  posted on 3/14/2013 at 10:36 AM
I am pretty sure the gubmint took in more in revenue (your tax dollars) than any other year in HISTORY. And still isn't enough? When is it ever going to be enough?

Pie in the sky spending cuts and they want more tax revenue? And how is this going to help businesses pay more in wages and hire more employees?

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Welcome to America, where the very rich pay the rich to tell the middle class that their problems are the fault of the poor.

Welcome to America, where the very wealthy (the banksters) pay the media to tell the middle class and the poor that their problems are the fault of the wealthy (not the banksters).

 

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