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  posted on 3/14/2013 at 10:25 AM
Ok, so there are a few bits of pieces of new, original ABB material that have floated about the last few years, including:
Bag End
Egypt
Dusk Til Dawn
Spots of Time

Now that's only 4 songs. However, if you add a few covers (maybe "Blind Willie McTell," which would make sense since one of the ABB's signature tunes was written by Mr. McTell), you are really only 3-4 new songs away from a proper album.

While it'd be nice to have Gregg be the star of the show on a new album, that wouldn't reflect the way the band has operated over the last...well, 40 years, or reality. The truth is that Warren is the man now. Still, 3-4 Gregg Allman songs when, mixed with a cover or three and the aforementioned originals would make for a legitimate ABB record.

So what do you guys think? Possible? Probable? Pipe-dream?

 

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  posted on 3/14/2013 at 10:49 AM
Does it matter?
We can all listen to multiple versions of the songs you mentioned anyway.....

 

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  posted on 3/14/2013 at 11:08 AM
I don't see why at this point a new album is necessary.
 

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  posted on 3/14/2013 at 11:42 AM
I think that a new studio album would be awesome; it's been 10 years since the last one. Or better yet, why not just record some new tunes LIVE that haven't been on any other ABB albums before........maybe a few new originals as well as covers. Gregg has always said that recording live is the easiest way to make a record anyways, so..........

 

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  posted on 3/14/2013 at 11:47 AM
I don't see how fans of a band can ask why it's important for that band to record a new album. Of COURSE it is. New albums are the proof of a band's existence.

Going by that logic, none of this is necessary. The Beacon? It's been done, so might as well not do it again.

I think a new studio record is essential for the legacy of this version of the band.

 

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  posted on 3/14/2013 at 11:47 AM
I like the idea of new tunes live.
 

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  posted on 3/14/2013 at 11:51 AM
Nothing wrong with that, blues, so long as it is like the Fillmore album - a live album of NEW tunes.

And Gregg has to have some music on there. It can't all be Warren, Derek and Otiel.

 

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  posted on 3/14/2013 at 12:02 PM
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I don't see how fans of a band can ask why it's important for that band to record a new album. Of COURSE it is. New albums are the proof of a band's existence.

Going by that logic, none of this is necessary. The Beacon? It's been done, so might as well not do it again.

I think a new studio record is essential for the legacy of this version of the band.


I don't think the ABB has anything left to prove to anyone.

Would the sales of a new album even cover the cost of production? The music industry doesn't sell albums anymore, they sell downloads.

If they could guarantee getting a piece of beer and concession money at the few shows they play anymore it would be worth it, because that's where the average concertgoer in the ABB demographic heads as soon as they hear a "new" song live.

 

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  posted on 3/14/2013 at 12:08 PM
One thing that could be interesting about this album - if it ever happens - is that the band has two full-length instrumentals they could use. They've never put two long instrumentals on one album before. Would they do it this time? I'm a big fan of both songs, so I hope they would. Is Gregg serious about wanting to write all the songs/lyrics? Because that'd rule out Spots of Time and Dusk Till Dawn, although I like both. Maybe if he gets that much material together - to say there's no guarantee of that would be a tremendous understatement - he'd save the all-songs requirement for a solo album. So they have instrumentals and Warren can contribute new songs or polishing, but there won't be anything unless Gregg can contribute at least a handful of new songs.
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New albums are the proof of a band's existence.

According to who? Which is to say "no, they aren't - and haven't been for years." I know the ABB exists because I saw them last week. New albums haven't been a priority for the band since early '70s with the possible exception of the early '90s. In the 19 years since Where It All Begins they've released one album. Over the entire 44-year history of the band they've released 13 studio albums including Eat Peach, and five of those came out in 1975 or earlier. New albums don't mean what they used to mean, particularly for a much older band. They're not an essential part of creating new music and they may not even make money. They can write new songs whether they go into the studio or not, and of course this band basically isn't doing that. The view that studio albums are the official documentation of a band's existence is pretty badly outdated.

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  posted on 3/14/2013 at 12:14 PM
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And Gregg has to have some music on there. It can't all be Warren, Derek and Otiel.


Amen to that. Its already Warren's show as it is. I'd actually pull for Gregg singing about 80% of the new material as well...

 

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  posted on 3/14/2013 at 12:26 PM
I still just don't see what the big deal is in releasing an album largely comprised of songs that we have multiple versions of. The live versions will all be better than a straight studio take anyway.....

I would however be interested in a new ABB album if; Warren, Derek and Oteil were allowed to direct the whole project, and make an actual whacked out studio album full of weird experimenting...

It would be cool to see how Warren, Derek and Oteil could take the ABB and use the studio as an 8th musician....

 

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  posted on 3/14/2013 at 12:47 PM
I'd like a new album just because I'm a selfish individual. I'm listening to "Hittin' the Note" right now and still love it. The sound and engineering, in my opinion, are great. I'd love to hear another studio endeavor released by the same group of musicians. The acoustic fabric of a studio album sounds different than a live performance. I think a new studio album could highlight the jazz aspects of the Allman Brothers Band. As I age I find myself moving more to jazz in my everyday listening and would like some new ABB to keep me company in my older age.

 

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  posted on 3/14/2013 at 01:04 PM
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I'd actually pull for Gregg singing about 80% of the new material as well...

I think that's probably a little high. There are 11 songs on Hittin' the Note and Gregg sings 7 of them. Warren sings three and there's one instrumental. I'd expect a similar kind of ratio if there's another album. I wouldn't expect many of the covers Warren adds to the repertoire in concert to end up on an album.

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I still just don't see what the big deal is in releasing an album largely comprised of songs that we have multiple versions of.

There just isn't much point in doing it. They've put out lots of live albums and all their shows are released. The reason to do it in the studio is that they can do "definitive" versions of the songs and try to get each one exactly right in a setting that highlights the details in a way big concerts don't.
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I would however be interested in a new ABB album if; Warren, Derek and Oteil were allowed to direct the whole project, and make an actual whacked out studio album full of weird experimenting...

I wouldn't mind hearing this, but it's not likely to happen because it doesn't sound like an Allman Brothers album. (For that matter it doesn't sound much like Derek or Oteil's solo work except for a few touches on Songlines.) I think Warren and Derek and Oteil all understand that anything they contribute to the ABB has to have certain amount of Allman Brothers-ness to it - it needs to fit with what the band has done in the past because ABB fans are coming to see the Allman Brothers Band, not their own projects, and they bring certain expectations to the table as a result. They're not going to re-invent the wheel now. In practical terms, that means the songs have to come from Gregg. That's the primary reason they haven't done an album in years and it still seems to be the case, although maybe he's working on some stuff now.

 

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  posted on 3/14/2013 at 01:31 PM
I could see Gregg handling lead vocals on one of the two new Warren tunes. Warren and others have given their songs for Gregg to record in the past (Soulshine etc).

He would probably have to contribute songwriting to about 3 more songs to be able to pull off an album. I would think Gregg would have to be lead vocalist on a good 6 of the songs for it to even sound like an ABB album, maybe even the 7 number that Marley wrote.

I'd be pumped for it and it could be done, particularly in light of how strong the band sounds in 2013, but I doubt it at this point. I'm still glad they are being creative this year and sounding good.

 

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I could see Gregg handling lead vocals on one of the two new Warren tunes. Warren and others have given their songs for Gregg to record in the past (Soulshine etc).

If they do another album, you have to expect Warren to sing two or three songs. If Gregg sang Dusk Till Dawn or Spots of time, that just means Warren has to write or contribute another song anyway.

 

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  posted on 3/14/2013 at 02:35 PM
I think many still expect greatness from these guys not just filler or bathroom-break songs so I am in favor of any creative effort to produce new material.

 

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  posted on 3/14/2013 at 03:30 PM
a new album of songs they have been playing for years and are available on tons of instant live discs make little sense to me....
 

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  posted on 3/14/2013 at 03:37 PM
The fact that we're talking new album is a result of the excellent reviews this Beacon run is receiving. The only disappointment for me is Gregg not offering us anything new during the run. Butch had made some comments about the band rehearsing 2 new Gregg tunes. Meanwhile im extremely pleased with Rain, Tears of Rage and Long Black Veil.
 

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  posted on 3/14/2013 at 03:40 PM
Love the idea.....hate to think about the probability it won't happen.

 

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  posted on 3/14/2013 at 03:41 PM
You cant possibly expect Gregg or Warren to pull an album worth of great songs out of their a$$. the inspiration has to be there. im sure they can try to force themselves, but that wont be as good.

 

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  posted on 3/14/2013 at 04:09 PM
I would certainly love for them to record a new album. Doubtful that it would make them much money if any, but many of the older and established artists don't record new music just for the money anyway. They have to be doing so for intrinsic reasons as well. With the new songs introduced this year as well as the two new instrumentals from recent past years, two or three new ones from Gregg, a few select covers particularly of older, obscure blues numbers they would probably have enough for an album.
 

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  posted on 3/14/2013 at 04:16 PM
Im all for a new studio album. I really have enjoyed spots of time and dusk till dawn this Beacon run. Don't know if they would put both Egypt and Bag end on a album. I feel if gregg has 4 new originals in him it would work. I always said I would love to hear them do a Bluesy Rivers gonna rise.
a new record would look like this.

spots of time
dusk till dawn
Bag End
Egypt
Rivers gonna rise
4 new original Gregg tunes
2 covers

 

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  posted on 3/14/2013 at 04:23 PM
Radio play and the propagation of good things in a time of vapid and pedestrian excuses for music.

 

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  posted on 3/14/2013 at 05:41 PM
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Does it matter?
We can all listen to multiple versions of the songs you mentioned anyway.....


That is what I was thinking??? Why bother with a studio album by a band that is superior live when there are multiple live recordings of each of these songs already that are superior to anything they could put down in a studio. I just don't see the point. Just be happy they are giving us some new material and download a couple of soundboards to get copies of the new songs.

 

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  posted on 3/14/2013 at 06:01 PM
At a time when everyone is talking about Duane's recorded legacy, one reason to record a new studio (or live) album is that these soundboard recordings are unlikely to be available to anyone seeking out ABB music in 10/ 20 years time.



 
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