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  posted on 3/21/2013 at 08:51 AM
Hard to believe this stuff is happening in the U.S let all snitch on our neighbors....rolls eyes


At a time when all of us are finding ourselves doing more with less, a reminder about a resource available from New York State that can assist you in your efforts to solve cases, prevent crime and better serve and protect your communities.

The state has established a toll-free tip line – 1-855-GUNSNYS (1-855- 486-7697) to encourage residents to report illegal firearm possession. The tip line also allows for information to be submitted via text – individuals can text GUNTIP and their message to CRIMES (274637). While the state will provide the administrative support and fund the rewards, the investigation and validity of the tip will be up to each local department.

To spread the word about this free resource, New York State is planning a comprehensive campaign, including public service announcements that will air on television and radio stations across Upstate.

The tip line can provide your agencies with another avenue for receiving intelligence about crimes being committed in your jurisdictions. This initiative is designed for communities where no tip lines are in place and is not meant to replace existing gun tip lines.

Here’s how the tip line operates:

The New York State Police staff the tip line 24 hours a day. Upon receiving a call, troopers will solicit as much information as possible regarding a firearm tip, while allowing the individual to remain anonymous. The caller will be informed that this program is not the traditional gun buyback program but rather is focused on identifying individuals who are carrying an illegal firearm.

The State Police will in turn contact the appropriate police agency with the lead to initiate an investigation. Staff from the Division of Criminal Justice Services (DCJS) will follow up with that agency to determine the validity of the lead. Once the investigation is completed, the police agency would convey to DCJS the outcome of the investigation.

If the information leads to an arrest for the illegal possession of a firearm, the “tipster” will be awarded $500. DCJS staff will handle all of the financial transactions.

State Police staff will explain the program in its entirety upon notifying an agency that a lead has been generated for their jurisdiction. If you have any questions in the interim, please contact DCJS Deputy Commissioner Tony Perez in the Office of Public Safety at 518********

Janine Kava
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New York State Division of Criminal Justice Services

 

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  posted on 3/21/2013 at 10:39 AM
Upstate NY isn't the problem, it's the assclowns in NYC like Nanny bloomberg who shoved the garbage NY "safe" act through.

That a-hole can't get out of office quick enough.

 

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  posted on 3/21/2013 at 11:05 AM
Illegal guns are a huge problem in NYC. Their proliferation is what led to the carnage of the 80's that saw 2,000 plus murders a year in the city. That is now down for the last decade and more to less than 500 a year on average thanks to aggressive policing against illegal weapons. I didn't realize that being pro second amendment meant opposing measures to get illegal guns off the streets.

 

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The supposed safe act did nothing for NYC's "illegal gun" problem.

New York would be so much better off if we cut NYC loose.

 

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I have problems with the way the SAFE act was pushed through, but poll after poll shows that downstate, and the state as a whole, supports the SAFE act and more gun control in general.

I also think Doug has a valid point in that NYC has seen success in dropping its murder rate via more aggressive gun control laws.

As gun owner myself, I see no problem with undergoing background checks for the purchase of any gun no matter from whom and from where I buy it. Hopefully we'll eventually reach a more practical way to do such things without going overboard with other aspects of gun ownership. It appears there's already a move afoot in Albany to revise the SAFE act with regard to the clip limitations. In time, maybe we'll reach a happy medium most of us can live with. Between the public outcry, lawsuits, etc. we could get there...

 

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  posted on 3/21/2013 at 05:24 PM
I have no problem with taking illegal guns away from anyone who should not have them or for that matter any illegal gun is better off the streets ....But a program like this is a train wreck waiting to happen who has the knowledge to know what is legal and not legal what happens when your girlfriend and you have a fight and she calls your guns in or just downright mean people turning in their neighbors who might be right wing and they are left... it is a bad deal anyway you look at it lets fight amongst ourselves....

 

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  posted on 3/21/2013 at 07:22 PM
Just wait till the crack heads and junkies figure out how much they can fill the brillo or spoon with 500 bucks.

 

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I have no problem with taking illegal guns away from anyone who should not have them or for that matter any illegal gun is better off the streets ....But a program like this is a train wreck waiting to happen who has the knowledge to know what is legal and not legal what happens when your girlfriend and you have a fight and she calls your guns in or just downright mean people turning in their neighbors who might be right wing and they are left... it is a bad deal anyway you look at it lets fight amongst ourselves....



If all of your guns are legal then you shouldn't worry about your pissed off girlfriend calling them in or about some pissy neighbors ratting you out. If they are legal then everything will turn out just fine. I find no problem with people calling in people that they believe are breaking the law and have illegal weapons. Better safe than sorry. Once someone is checked out and everything checks out and is deemed legal then the accusers are the ones who look foolish but at least then everyone knows they are legal and I am sure under this law that a lot of illegal guns would be taken out of commission.

 

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I have no problem with taking illegal guns away from anyone who should not have them or for that matter any illegal gun is better off the streets ....But a program like this is a train wreck waiting to happen who has the knowledge to know what is legal and not legal what happens when your girlfriend and you have a fight and she calls your guns in or just downright mean people turning in their neighbors who might be right wing and they are left... it is a bad deal anyway you look at it lets fight amongst ourselves....



If all of your guns are legal then you shouldn't worry about your pissed off girlfriend calling them in or about some pissy neighbors ratting you out. If they are legal then everything will turn out just fine. I find no problem with people calling in people that they believe are breaking the law and have illegal weapons. Better safe than sorry. Once someone is checked out and everything checks out and is deemed legal then the accusers are the ones who look foolish but at least then everyone knows they are legal and I am sure under this law that a lot of illegal guns would be taken out of commission.


Just like the old quote: "If you haven't done anything wrong, why worry. We just want to talk to you, without a lawyer present."

 

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I have no problem with taking illegal guns away from anyone who should not have them or for that matter any illegal gun is better off the streets ....But a program like this is a train wreck waiting to happen who has the knowledge to know what is legal and not legal what happens when your girlfriend and you have a fight and she calls your guns in or just downright mean people turning in their neighbors who might be right wing and they are left... it is a bad deal anyway you look at it lets fight amongst ourselves....


Nearly every major and minor American city has a "tips" hotline where people can report suspected crimes, and the concept of offering a reward for such a tip goes back for hundreds of years.

Looks like this program in New York has been in place for just over a year. Wonder how it has gone so far?

What about "report domestic violence" hotlines? Is that neighbor-on-neighbor snitching, or is this particular instance just different because it's about guns? Anyone can destroy another person's life by accusing them of indecencies with a child or having illegal stuff on their computer, that's an instance where the accusation is enough. Anyone can call the cops on a neighbor and say "I think they are selling drugs over there."

 

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I have no problem with taking illegal guns away from anyone who should not have them or for that matter any illegal gun is better off the streets ....But a program like this is a train wreck waiting to happen who has the knowledge to know what is legal and not legal what happens when your girlfriend and you have a fight and she calls your guns in or just downright mean people turning in their neighbors who might be right wing and they are left... it is a bad deal anyway you look at it lets fight amongst ourselves....



If all of your guns are legal then you shouldn't worry about your pissed off girlfriend calling them in or about some pissy neighbors ratting you out. If they are legal then everything will turn out just fine. I find no problem with people calling in people that they believe are breaking the law and have illegal weapons. Better safe than sorry. Once someone is checked out and everything checks out and is deemed legal then the accusers are the ones who look foolish but at least then everyone knows they are legal and I am sure under this law that a lot of illegal guns would be taken out of commission.


Just like the old quote: "If you haven't done anything wrong, why worry. We just want to talk to you, without a lawyer present."


It wasn't that long ago that a large majority of Americans felt just fine with the "If you haven't done anything wrong, why worry," idiom when it was in the context of fighting terrorism re:the Patriot Act.

 

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That a-hole can't get out of office quick enough.


He has lost his mind. I had to laugh the other day when he got shot down on his large soda ban, and he had a press conference about proportion control. Odd coming out of his mouth, as his first two terms were not enough of a portion for him. He had to have a third under the guise that we needed his wisdom in these tough economic times.

 

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All good answers , i do not think it is a matter of right and wrong but more illegal search with no probable cause except so and so said this or that. I agree if you are not doing anything wrong why worry.... well i worry when a program of any sorts can entice other people to make money off of turning other people in for what they assume is right or wrong. In other words yes they could come to my home and they would find nothing wrong but then they have no business in my home to begin with. and that is the law as it is written they must have probable cause ,hearsay is not admissible in court.

 

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i do not think it is a matter of right and wrong but more illegal search with no probable cause except so and so said this or that.


Isn't that how the whole "tip" thing works to begin with, regardless of whatever "crime" is involved?

I would assume (or at least hope) that any tip that requires a search still doesn't absolve law enforcement from obtaining a warrant. They break down doors all the time for suspected drug activity.

 

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What about "report domestic violence" hotlines? Is that neighbor-on-neighbor snitching, or is this particular instance just different because it's about guns? Anyone can destroy another person's life by accusing them of indecencies with a child or having illegal stuff on their computer, that's an instance where the accusation is enough. Anyone can call the cops on a neighbor and say "I think they are selling drugs over there."


The Constitution doesn't grant us the right to hit our spouse, engage in child porn activities, or sell drugs.

 

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What about "report domestic violence" hotlines? Is that neighbor-on-neighbor snitching, or is this particular instance just different because it's about guns? Anyone can destroy another person's life by accusing them of indecencies with a child or having illegal stuff on their computer, that's an instance where the accusation is enough. Anyone can call the cops on a neighbor and say "I think they are selling drugs over there."


The Constitution doesn't grant us the right to hit our spouse, engage in child porn activities, or sell drugs.


It grants the rights to guns illegally?

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I have problems with the way the SAFE act was pushed through, but poll after poll shows that downstate, and the state as a whole, supports the SAFE act and more gun control in general.

I also think Doug has a valid point in that NYC has seen success in dropping its murder rate via more aggressive gun control laws.

As gun owner myself, I see no problem with undergoing background checks for the purchase of any gun no matter from whom and from where I buy it. Hopefully we'll eventually reach a more practical way to do such things without going overboard with other aspects of gun ownership. It appears there's already a move afoot in Albany to revise the SAFE act with regard to the clip limitations. In time, maybe we'll reach a happy medium most of us can live with. Between the public outcry, lawsuits, etc. we could get there...


Not law, Chain. Aggressive police work and enforcement of the laws. Which is what the original complaint of the thread was about. As for cutting NYC loose Ron, be careful what you wish for. Are you aware of what percentage of New York's tax revenue comes from the City (and its surrounding suburbs of Nassau, Suffolk, Westchester and Rockland)?

 

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i do not think it is a matter of right and wrong but more illegal search with no probable cause except so and so said this or that.


Isn't that how the whole "tip" thing works to begin with, regardless of whatever "crime" is involved?

I would assume (or at least hope) that any tip that requires a search still doesn't absolve law enforcement from obtaining a warrant. They break down doors all the time for suspected drug activity.


The tip gives them the probable cause they need to get the warrant. They always need a warrant to enter a dwelling unless there is an imminent emergency.

 

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What about "report domestic violence" hotlines? Is that neighbor-on-neighbor snitching, or is this particular instance just different because it's about guns? Anyone can destroy another person's life by accusing them of indecencies with a child or having illegal stuff on their computer, that's an instance where the accusation is enough. Anyone can call the cops on a neighbor and say "I think they are selling drugs over there."


The Constitution doesn't grant us the right to hit our spouse, engage in child porn activities, or sell drugs.


Or have illegal weapons.

 

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I have problems with the way the SAFE act was pushed through, but poll after poll shows that downstate, and the state as a whole, supports the SAFE act and more gun control in general.

I also think Doug has a valid point in that NYC has seen success in dropping its murder rate via more aggressive gun control laws.

As gun owner myself, I see no problem with undergoing background checks for the purchase of any gun no matter from whom and from where I buy it. Hopefully we'll eventually reach a more practical way to do such things without going overboard with other aspects of gun ownership. It appears there's already a move afoot in Albany to revise the SAFE act with regard to the clip limitations. In time, maybe we'll reach a happy medium most of us can live with. Between the public outcry, lawsuits, etc. we could get there...


Not law, Chain. Aggressive police work and enforcement of the laws. Which is what the original complaint of the thread was about. As for cutting NYC loose Ron, be careful what you wish for. Are you aware of what percentage of New York's tax revenue comes from the City (and its surrounding suburbs of Nassau, Suffolk, Westchester and Rockland)?


Indeed, yes, more aggressive enforcement of the current laws. For all their faults, I believe Bloomberg and correct me if I'm wrong, Doug, but Juliani as well should be credited with making these efforts more of a priority in NYC...

 

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This brief article seems all too fitting given we're discussing "tip hot lines." Those crazy Brits:

Britain Goes After Pot Growers With 'Scratch And Sniff' Cards
March 22, 2013
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For many years, across the world, the extraordinarily powerful noses of dogs have been successfully used to help detect crime.

Now, in Britain, moves are under way to recruit humans to perform the same subtle work.

Police are encouraging the British to step out of their homes, raise their nostrils aloft, and see if they catch the whiff of wrongdoing wafting from the next-door neighbors.

Visitors to these crowded islands are often charmed by the small redbrick terraced houses that are in every town and city.

But law enforcement agencies here say the attics and backrooms of some of these homes conceal illegal urban microfarms in which criminal gangs are cultivating marijuana for commercial sale.

They want the British public to sniff these out.

'Scratch And Sniff' Cards

To perform this task, humans — like dogs — first need a little training. So a crime-fighting charity, called Crimestoppers, and police are this week sending out more than 200,000 "scratch and sniff" cards to households around the country.

They want to educate the national nose.

The British generally need little assistance detecting the presence of a smoldering joint. Millions of them use, or have used, marijuana. They know very well what it smells like, once alight.

These scratch cards are intended to teach them how to recognize living cannabis plants. Scratch, sniff — and there it is: the strong sweet smell of cannabis while it's actually growing.

"We are distributing 'scratch and sniff' cards because not many people know how to recognize the signs of cannabis cultivation happening in their neighborhood," says Roger Critchell, Crimestoppers' director of operations.

He adds: "Many are also not familiar with the established links between this crime and serious organized crime."

A Rise In Arrests

Statistics suggest there has been a sharp rise of cannabis farms in Britain in the past year or two. It's a fair guess that this may be a side effect of prolonged economic stagnation.

In Humberside — part of northern England that includes some of the country's most depressed areas — police busted 18 farms in 2007-2008. Four years later, that number was up to 148.

The numbers are surprisingly high in some places. In West Yorkshire, police found nearly 1,800 cannabis farms in just two years.

Who knows whether "sniffer humans" will make any difference. They have an incentive: Informants get a reward of around $1,500 if there's an arrest.

Yet this is complex terrain. Many in big cities tend to take a liberal view of soft drugs, especially for personal use. Narcotics are weaved into the tapestry of the history of the British: Fortunes were made in the late 18th century when their monopoly on the opium trade secured control of the Indian subcontinent. Plenty of British national "treasures," past and present, have had a puff or three.

The British also have a pleasingly droll and subversive sense of humor. The first fruits of the scratch and sniff cards are jokes — about "grassing on the grass growers."
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What about "report domestic violence" hotlines? Is that neighbor-on-neighbor snitching, or is this particular instance just different because it's about guns? Anyone can destroy another person's life by accusing them of indecencies with a child or having illegal stuff on their computer, that's an instance where the accusation is enough. Anyone can call the cops on a neighbor and say "I think they are selling drugs over there."


The Constitution doesn't grant us the right to hit our spouse, engage in child porn activities, or sell drugs.


Maybe you can not read none of those things are in this post this post is about guns and knowing what constitutes a assault weapon or a supposedly illegal weapon by NY law....

 

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All good answers , i do not think it is a matter of right and wrong but more illegal search with no probable cause except so and so said this or that. I agree if you are not doing anything wrong why worry.... well i worry when a program of any sorts can entice other people to make money off of turning other people in for what they assume is right or wrong. In other words yes they could come to my home and they would find nothing wrong but then they have no business in my home to begin with. and that is the law as it is written they must have probable cause ,hearsay is not admissible in court.

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In Afghanistan people were told they could get $5,000 for snitching and letting authorities know if there were any Arabs in the area. People were sold off and sent to Gitmo where they still sit today, even though 50% of the 166 there were judged by the judges to have done nothing and should be released.
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"The tip gives them the probable cause they need to get the warrant. They always need a warrant to enter a dwelling unless there is an imminent emergency. "

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The Patriot Act did away with all that.

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Illegal guns are a huge problem in NYC. Their proliferation is what led to the carnage of the 80's that saw 2,000 plus murders a year in the city. That is now down for the last decade and more to less than 500 a year on average thanks to aggressive policing against illegal weapons. I didn't realize that being pro second amendment meant opposing measures to get illegal guns off the streets.

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When the dollar crashes as the world's reserve currency or sooner (the federal budget shortfall program cuts that will happen shortly) will effect a lot of the poor people in New York City. They might get pissed offand want to start a revolution or something. Thus, get the guns out of the hands of the people is the agenda of the state and federal govt. The feds fear what if those people get on busses and come down here? How could we stop millions of poor people who will invite the poor from Philly, Baltimore and everyplace else along the way to join them? That's why there is the push for disarmament.

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The supposed safe act did nothing for NYC's "illegal gun" problem.

New York would be so much better off if we cut NYC loose.

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Yeah but if New York City became it's own state, who would fund the rest of New York, I mean could we live on the tax revenues generated by all the other towns, plus how many people are on entitlement programs in the rest of the state, could it be funded by the other towns? In New York City there are 50,000 homeless people, an unknown number on social service benefits, if we disassociated New York City with the rest of the state, maybe we would have solvency. Let Mayor Mike deal with it.

And finally the United Nations will take the vote this week on the Small Arms Treaty Ban, which is the first step to global disarmament. Back in the rise of Hitler, the people who snitched on others were called "collaborators", how is it any different these days with the rise of the New World Order and their agenda. Can you honestly say there is no religious component to it all this time when there is a very vibrant religious war happening just look at the Middle East, South Central Asia (Afghanistan, Pakistan) where we seek to instill democracy based on secular law, in Muslim countries?

 

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I have problems with the way the SAFE act was pushed through, but poll after poll shows that downstate, and the state as a whole, supports the SAFE act and more gun control in general.

I also think Doug has a valid point in that NYC has seen success in dropping its murder rate via more aggressive gun control laws.

As gun owner myself, I see no problem with undergoing background checks for the purchase of any gun no matter from whom and from where I buy it. Hopefully we'll eventually reach a more practical way to do such things without going overboard with other aspects of gun ownership. It appears there's already a move afoot in Albany to revise the SAFE act with regard to the clip limitations. In time, maybe we'll reach a happy medium most of us can live with. Between the public outcry, lawsuits, etc. we could get there...


Not law, Chain. Aggressive police work and enforcement of the laws. Which is what the original complaint of the thread was about. As for cutting NYC loose Ron, be careful what you wish for. Are you aware of what percentage of New York's tax revenue comes from the City (and its surrounding suburbs of Nassau, Suffolk, Westchester and Rockland)?


Indeed, yes, more aggressive enforcement of the current laws. For all their faults, I believe Bloomberg and correct me if I'm wrong, Doug, but Juliani as well should be credited with making these efforts more of a priority in NYC...


Bloomberg is carrying on the innovative policies initiated under Guliani. New York is an entirely different city than it was in the bad old days and I for one don't want to see it return to the days when people were killed in daily cross fires.

 

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New York is an entirely different city than it was in the bad old days and I for one don't want to see it return to the days when people were killed in daily cross fires.

But walking through Time Square now is like some sort of antiseptic Disneyworld hallucination.

Can't we just bring back a few hookers and a triple-X place or two?

 

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