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  posted on 5/13/2013 at 04:10 PM
Benghazi is bad enough. The IRS really hits home because it's something everyone can understand. But now the press finds out that they've been on the Justice Dept's watch list.

Maybe the press will finally start doing their job in reporting the negatives of big gov't now that big gov't has turned their sights on them.

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Govt obtains wide AP phone records in probe

WASHINGTON (AP) The Justice Department secretly obtained two months of telephone records of reporters and editors for The Associated Press in what the news cooperative's top executive called a "massive and unprecedented intrusion" into how news organizations gather the news.

The records obtained by the Justice Department listed incoming and outgoing calls, and the duration of each call, for the work and personal phone numbers of individual reporters, general AP office numbers in New York, Washington and Hartford, Conn., and the main number for AP reporters in the House of Representatives press gallery, according to attorneys for the AP.

In all, the government seized those records for more than 20 separate telephone lines assigned to AP and its journalists in April and May of 2012. The exact number of journalists who used the phone lines during that period is unknown but more than 100 journalists work in the offices whose phone records were targeted on a wide array of stories about government and other matters.

In a letter of protest sent to Attorney General Eric Holder on Monday, AP President and Chief Executive Officer Gary Pruitt said the government sought and obtained information far beyond anything that could be justified by any specific investigation. He demanded the return of the phone records and destruction of all copies.

"There can be no possible justification for such an overbroad collection of the telephone communications of The Associated Press and its reporters. These records potentially reveal communications with confidential sources across all of the newsgathering activities undertaken by the AP during a two-month period, provide a road map to AP's newsgathering operations, and disclose information about AP's activities and operations that the government has no conceivable right to know," Pruitt said.

The government would not say why it sought the records. U.S. officials have previously said in public testimony that the U.S. attorney in Washington is conducting a criminal investigation into who may have leaked information contained in a May 7, 2012, AP story about a foiled terror plot. The story disclosed details of a CIA operation in Yemen that stopped an al-Qaida plot in the spring of 2012 to detonate a bomb on an airplane bound for the United States.

In testimony in February, CIA Director John Brennan noted that the FBI had questioned him about whether he was AP's source, which he denied. He called the release of the information to the media about the terror plot an "unauthorized and dangerous disclosure of classified information."

Prosecutors have sought phone records from reporters before, but the seizure of records from such a wide array of AP offices, including general AP switchboards numbers and an office-wide shared fax line, is unusual and largely unprecedented.

In the letter notifying the AP received Friday, the Justice Department offered no explanation for the seizure, according to Pruitt's letter and attorneys for the AP. The records were presumably obtained from phone companies earlier this year although the government letter did not explain that. None of the information provided by the government to the AP suggested the actual phone conversations were monitored.

Among those whose phone numbers were obtained were five reporters and an editor who were involved in the May 7, 2012 story.

The Obama administration has aggressively investigated disclosures of classified information to the media and has brought six cases against people suspected of leaking classified information, more than under all previous presidents combined.

Justice Department published rules require that subpoenas of records from news organizations must be personally approved by the attorney general but it was not known if that happened in this case. The letter notifying AP that its phone records had been obtained though subpoenas was sent Friday by Ronald Machen, the U.S. attorney in Washington.

Spokesmen in Machen's office and at the Justice Department had no immediate comment on Monday.

The Justice Department lays out strict rules for efforts to get phone records from news organizations. A subpoena can only be considered after "all reasonable attempts" have been made to get the same information from other sources, the rules say. It was unclear what other steps, in total, the Justice Department has taken to get information in the case.

A subpoena to the media must be "as narrowly drawn as possible" and "should be directed at relevant information regarding a limited subject matter and should cover a reasonably limited time period," according to the rules.

The reason for these constraints, the department says, is to avoid actions that "might impair the news gathering function" because the government recognizes that "freedom of the press can be no broader than the freedom of reporters to investigate and report the news."

News organizations normally are notified in advance that the government wants phone records and enter into negotiations over the desired information. In this case, however, the government, in its letter to the AP, cited an exemption to those rules that holds that prior notification can be waived if such notice, in the exemption's wording, might "pose a substantial threat to the integrity of the investigation."

It is unknown whether a judge or a grand jury signed off on the subpoenas.

The May 7, 2012, AP story that disclosed details of the CIA operation in Yemen to stop an airliner bomb plot occurred around the one-year anniversary of the May 2, 2011, killing of Osama bin Laden.

The plot was significant because the White House had told the public it had "no credible information that terrorist organizations, including al-Qaida, are plotting attacks in the U.S. to coincide with the (May 2) anniversary of bin Laden's death."

The AP delayed reporting the story at the request of government officials who said it would jeopardize national security. Once government officials said those concerns were allayed, the AP disclosed the plot because officials said it no longer endangered national security. The Obama administration, however, continued to request that the story be held until the administration could make an official announcement.

The May 7 story was written by reporters Matt Apuzzo and Adam Goldman with contributions from reporters Kimberly Dozier, Eileen Sullivan and Alan Fram. They and their editor, Ted Bridis, were among the journalists whose April-May 2012 phone records were seized by the government.

Brennan talked about the AP story and leaks investigation in written testimony to the Senate. "The irresponsible and damaging leak of classified information was made ... when someone informed the Associated Press that the U.S. Government had intercepted an IED (improvised explosive device) that was supposed to be used in an attack and that the U.S. Government currently had that IED in its possession and was analyzing it," he said.

He also defended the White House's plan to discuss the plot immediately afterward. "Once someone leaked information about interdiction of the IED and that the IED was actually in our possession, it was imperative to inform the American people consistent with Government policy that there was never any danger to the American people associated with this al-Qa'ida plot," Brennan told senators

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  posted on 5/13/2013 at 04:13 PM
Does anyone really think that hasn't been going on for a long time now, even before Obama took office?

 

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  posted on 5/13/2013 at 04:23 PM
So that makes it right for "the most transparent administration in history?"

And no; I don't think it's been going on for a long time. Every President rightly fears getting caught using state power to investigate the press without a subpoena, given 1st amendment issues and all. It seems uncertain from the article if there was one or not.

This seems focused on terrorism, which will be the blanket to cover all sorts of abuses of power. The tools put in place in the last dozen years to permit that as the universal excuse for any action really need to be reviewed, and realigned a whole lot better with our original liberties.

 

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  posted on 5/13/2013 at 04:56 PM
There sure is a lot of smoke over Washington these days...... It will be interesting to see how the press at large, reacts to this.......
 

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  posted on 5/13/2013 at 05:03 PM
Since they didn't get Obama out after the first term I have no doubt there is an effort to try to drag Hillary through any scandal they can dream up in preperation for her possible run for the presidency. I have a feeling we're going to start seeing a lot of scandals du jour in the coming months with that goal in mind.

 

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  posted on 5/13/2013 at 05:12 PM
Not one republican forced this administration nor Hillary to choose the paths they chose. But to fault them for following up and asking questions is silly. You nor anyone else can tell me that if the roles were reversed that the same thing would not be taking place.

[Edited on 5/13/2013 by er1016]

 

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  posted on 5/13/2013 at 05:16 PM
The roles have been reversed and people did ask questions.....nothing happened. I reallly don't expect much to happen now either.

 

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  posted on 5/13/2013 at 05:32 PM
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The roles have been reversed and people did ask questions.....nothing happened. I reallly don't expect much to happen now either.


I don't think in the end this will have any negative impact upon Hillary. Of course Karl Rove is already running negative attack adds against her in spite of his great predictions last November. Even though we're 3 years out, the dem. nomination is Hillary's for the asking. The GOP will attempt to take her down, but her favorable numbers are quite high & would have to drop considerably to be in the ballpark of the average GOP candidate except for Chris Christie. I doubt he'd get the nomination as he doesn't swallow the party line & pissed off too many right wingers when he worked with Obama. Then again, if it appears he's the only candidate that can possibly win...we'll see if winning is more important than ideology of the likes of a Rick Santorum, Rand Paul, etc.

 

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  posted on 5/13/2013 at 05:42 PM
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The roles have been reversed and people did ask questions.....nothing happened. I reallly don't expect much to happen now either.


I don't think in the end this will have any negative impact upon Hillary. Of course Karl Rove is already running negative attack adds against her in spite of his great predictions last November. Even though we're 3 years out, the dem. nomination is Hillary's for the asking. The GOP will attempt to take her down, but her favorable numbers are quite high & would have to drop considerably to be in the ballpark of the average GOP candidate except for Chris Christie. I doubt he'd get the nomination as he doesn't swallow the party line & pissed off too many right wingers when he worked with Obama. Then again, if it appears he's the only candidate that can possibly win...we'll see if winning is more important than ideology of the likes of a Rick Santorum, Rand Paul, etc.


I dosn't know if my poor heart can stand up to another campaign season like this last election. It was just too scary to contemplate a Romney Ryan administration!

 

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  posted on 5/13/2013 at 05:45 PM
I still haven't seen anything linking any top people in the administration to the IRS thing and I still haven't seen anything that proves that the administration had anything to do with causing the Benghazi attacks and the deaths of the diplomats and security personel and I don't see how any of the things that were requested like scattering jets to the scene would have helped in any way. It was a tragic attack but tragic attacks happen in that part of the world and diplomats know the chances they take living in these back @ss places. Personally I don't think we should have embacies in places where we aren't welcome and where there are groups of people who love to kill Americans. That being said there have always been these kinds of attacks in the middle east and always will be. If we send ambassadors to live there there will be more attacks in the future and ultimately more dead Americans. At this point this has turned into more of a witchhunt to both try to tarnish Obama's presidency as well as to try to tarnish his possible replacement in Clinton. I expect many more of these attempts as we get closer to 2016. It is all the Republicans have since they refuse to change their agenda which is what the American people have made known that they want. They would rather try to cut the Dems down then to change their failed and flawed ideologies or to allow more moderate Republican candidates to run for high office. The tea party are still running the party even though they are the minority.

As far as the IRS goes I have to see how far up the chain this goes before I lay blame on anyone. From what I have seen so far I doubt that those on the top knew what was going on. If that is the case I expect an investigation and for whoever is responsable to be exposed and taken care of as quickly as possible.

 

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  posted on 5/13/2013 at 05:46 PM
I don't see how they (Romney/Ryan) could do any worse that what we currently have at this point.
 

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  posted on 5/13/2013 at 06:18 PM
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I don't see how they (Romney/Ryan) could do any worse that what we currently have at this point.


Or the question could just as easily be - I don't see how they (Romney/Ryan) could do any better that what we currently have at this point.

Bottom line is that we'll never know either way because the voting Americans did not put Romney/Ryan in office.

 

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I don't see how they (Romney/Ryan) could do any worse that what we currently have at this point.


Or the question could just as easily be - I don't see how they (Romney/Ryan) could do any better that what we currently have at this point.


Bottom line is that we'll never know either way because the voting Americans did not put Romney/Ryan in office.



I think it would be safe to say that they wouldn't be under investigation for Benghazi, this IRS debacle nor the whole DOJ ignoring the AP's 1st amendment rights... I hate to point it out but I see a pattern forming here....

But you are right, they in fact did lose the election. So here we are watching the clown car roll on....

 

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  posted on 5/13/2013 at 07:50 PM
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This seems focused on terrorism, which will be the blanket to cover all sorts of abuses of power. The tools put in place in the last dozen years to permit that as the universal excuse for any action really need to be reviewed, and realigned a whole lot better with our original liberties.


I agree with you 100%. The fear over terrorism, and what we've had to give up in terms of money and liberty, is far worse than the threat of terrorism itself.

 

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  posted on 5/13/2013 at 07:56 PM
I agree there wouldn't be any investigations of Romney and Ryan....heaven knows there weren't investigations when the previous administration was in the White House and over 50 people died in embassy attacks during that time.

 

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I don't see how they (Romney/Ryan) could do any worse that what we currently have at this point.


Or the question could just as easily be - I don't see how they (Romney/Ryan) could do any better that what we currently have at this point.


Bottom line is that we'll never know either way because the voting Americans did not put Romney/Ryan in office.



I think it would be safe to say that they wouldn't be under investigation for Benghazi, this IRS debacle nor the whole DOJ ignoring the AP's 1st amendment rights... I hate to point it out but I see a pattern forming here....

But you are right, they in fact did lose the election. So here we are watching the clown car roll on....


You do realize that my response was opinion just as is your rebuttal.

It's pure speculation to say what would or would not have occurred with Romney / Ryan. What ifs don't come into play for those who are not elected.

 

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I agree there wouldn't be any investigations of Romney and Ryan....heaven knows there weren't investigations when the previous administration was in the White House and over 50 people died in embassy attacks during that time.


How is any of that relevant in any shape form or fashion to Benghazi?

Never-mind.....My apologies to the OP for my part of this veering away from the intended topic.

[Edited on 5/14/2013 by er1016]

 

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I don't see how they (Romney/Ryan) could do any worse that what we currently have at this point.


Or the question could just as easily be - I don't see how they (Romney/Ryan) could do any better that what we currently have at this point.


Bottom line is that we'll never know either way because the voting Americans did not put Romney/Ryan in office.



I think it would be safe to say that they wouldn't be under investigation for Benghazi, this IRS debacle nor the whole DOJ ignoring the AP's 1st amendment rights... I hate to point it out but I see a pattern forming here....

But you are right, they in fact did lose the election. So here we are watching the clown car roll on....


You do realize that my response was opinion just as is your rebuttal.

It's pure speculation to say what would or would not have occurred with Romney / Ryan. What ifs don't come into play for those who are not elected.


You do realize I am arguing simply for arguments sake.

 

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  posted on 5/14/2013 at 10:24 AM

Between this, Bengazhi, and wrapping up the Tea Party in red tape people need to rethink the gun registry ideas. "Coming to take your guns" fears are not as far out there
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I don't see how they (Romney/Ryan) could do any worse that what we currently have at this point.


Or the question could just as easily be - I don't see how they (Romney/Ryan) could do any better that what we currently have at this point.


Bottom line is that we'll never know either way because the voting Americans did not put Romney/Ryan in office.



I think it would be safe to say that they wouldn't be under investigation for Benghazi, this IRS debacle nor the whole DOJ ignoring the AP's 1st amendment rights... I hate to point it out but I see a pattern forming here....

But you are right, they in fact did lose the election. So here we are watching the clown car roll on....


The head of the IRS during this time period was appointed by W Bush so I don't think anything would have been any different under Flip Romney. As far as Beghazi goes I don't see how things would have been any different either. It is all nothing but speculation by Obama bashers. All this is is over zealous witch hunters trying to get in front of the Hillary Clinton candidacy since they stubbornly refuse to change their agenda and ideologies. They would rather just attack the other side than to offer up what the American people want which is quite obviously not what they are offering.(see last Presidential election)

 

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  posted on 5/14/2013 at 12:58 PM
The majority of those embassy attacks occurred in Iraq and Afghanistan which are high risk war zones so don't even go there. What is apparent about Big Ann and her ilk is that they are "obsequious lapdogs" for Obama and will defend him regardless of any malfeasance he and his cronies may commit. Additionally they will bring up any false red herrings to deflect criticism and protect their beloved idol and media darling Barak Hussein Obama.

"The lady doth protest too much, methinks."

 

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  posted on 5/14/2013 at 01:07 PM
Wow, Scotty, thank you for making this personal. I'm not anyone's lapdog but I'm also not a rabid Obama hating zealot who wants him impeached every time he walks out of the house. Pointing out the hypocrisy between what Bush did with impugnity and the hue and cry over this particular incident is only shining a light on you all who can't stand Obama. It's a double edged sword and it cuts both ways....if you're going to be outraged over Obama, then you must also be outraged over Bush. If you're not....my point has been made.

 

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  posted on 5/14/2013 at 01:39 PM
when the irs investigates media matters who is supposed be an educational non-profit i'll listen..look at what lois lerner said about the irs crap..not exactly a low level official


http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/05/14/irs-scandal-s-central-figu re-lois-lerner-described-as-apolitical.html

 

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  posted on 5/14/2013 at 01:57 PM
All of these "scandals" have one thing in common, the WH knew nothing about them. That is concerning if they did not know because that means people have completely run amok. If they did know, its even more concerning. I find it hard to believe they didn't know considering they respond to crisis in each case in the same manner. Its usually a case of, "we had nothing to do with it, go ask whatever department." They never seem to have knowledge of anything unless its something positive, like killing Bin Laden. Then they know all about it. They'll give you every detail accompanied by dramatic photos from the situation room.

If its something that doesn't bode so well for them, then you get:

"Other than press reports, we have no knowledge of any attempt by the Justice Department to seek phone records of the AP. We are not involved in decisions made in connection with criminal investigations, as those matters are handled independently by the Justice Department. Any questions about an ongoing criminal investigation should be directed to the Department of Justice."


 

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  posted on 5/14/2013 at 03:34 PM
If you work for a large company and have people reporting to you as their boss, do you always know what's going on with everyone in the company? As I said, I don't say that Bush knew what was going on either.....quite frankly, I think there are some other very important issues that both Bush and Obama were focused on and they left the less threatening divisions of government operate without their interference. I can't fault them for not knowing about it until now but how it's delt with is what's important.

 

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