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  posted on 5/23/2013 at 06:58 AM
Wow, what a game. The Pacers had this one and .7 sec's Le Bron drives to the hoop and wins it.
Ugh..this one hurts.. Frank Vogel is a very good coach, and I am sure he was just trying to play the percentages and go small without having Hibbert in there, but when you have the top defense in the NBA and Roy who protects the rim like nobodys business, you need to him in there.You dont let him drive to the basket uncontested. Paul Georeges fault also, he was playing Lebron to tight, he should have been back alittle and not give him any room to make a move. Make him shoot a jumper. It is a tough coaching decision, have to worry about Bosch going out in the perimeter and
Roy going out to guard him and that opens things up in the middle. At the end I think ultimatley you would want your best defenders in the game and I could live with Bosch shooting on the outside than having some one drive to the bucket not even touched.

This is going to be a tough series. They are playing a team that won I think 45 of 48 games in the last half of the season , and now they have to try and win 4 games in a 7 .
Thats a difficult task. The Pacers won the regular season series with the Heat. I think it's a tough matchup for both teams, but I think the Heat probably have the edge. I live in the Indy area and watch the Pacers on a regular basis and they are a very good team and I am not a homer by any means. Did I think they had a chance to win the series before last nights game,sure , maybe not that rgreat of a chance ,but a fighting one. Now it's even tougher. The starting 5 have to show each night and give something, casue they're bench is weak.

 

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  posted on 5/23/2013 at 01:33 PM
nice response and re cap of a very "sloppy" but fun and competetive game.. The Heat on paper are a more talented or deeper team. but in amy series that can mean actually nothing..Game 1 is just that, one game and the Home team is supposed to win...I think Indy has a strong young team and by no means would i counbt them out wait to see what happens in game 2 and game 3, then we re evaluate the series...Now I am a Heat fan and have been for the whole 25 years...But there were some weird no calls and calls.. but one that stands out is the phantom Wade call on Georges last shot of game and giving him 3 shots.. beyond maybe a coaching blunder with Indy not having Hibbert in there a non event almost gave the Pacers the game.. i watched 3 different angles and still looking for the foul. Referrees shot not effect the outcome..........of a playoff game..

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nice response and re cap of a very "sloppy" but fun and competetive game.. The Heat on paper are a more talented or deeper team. but in amy series that can mean actually nothing..Game 1 is just that, one game and the Home team is supposed to win...I think Indy has a strong young team and by no means would i counbt them out wait to see what happens in game 2 and game 3, then we re evaluate the series...Now I am a Heat fan and have been for the whole 25 years...But there were some weird no calls and calls.. but one that stands out is the phantom Wade call on Georges last shot of game and giving him 3 shots.. beyond maybe a coaching blunder with Indy not having Hibbert in there a non event almost gave the Pacers the game.. i watched 3 different angles and still looking for the foul. Referrees shot not effect the outcome..........of a playoff game..

GO HEAT!!!!!!!!!!


no phantom call of wade at the end. watch the replay several times. he hits georges hand/wrist area as he releases the shot. barkley and shaq even both said it was the right call although shaq said "it was the right call but i haven't seen anyone make that call for about 15 years in that situation".

as far as the heat, i hate them. they are everything wrong in the nba now and why the game seems so bad and boring now. the coach doesn't know how to coach or develop young talent. the GM has no clue how to draft players that will add to the team or find guys in the D-league that can be molded into something. i think the heat only have 2 players on the entire team drafted by the heat, wade and haslem. everyone else they had to get through trades and free agency. there are several teams like this, the lakers, the celtics, the knicks, who have no clue who to bring a team together. i think the spurs have 3 starters who were drafted by them and 3 bench guys they drafted plus 3 more people they picked up from the D-league of other teams who never played anywhere else. the pacers, thunder, memphis and several other teams also built things up the right way.

 

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  posted on 5/23/2013 at 02:02 PM
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Past LeBron and Wade, when Wade is healthy, the heat are average at best. There isn't one person that would take Bosh over Hibbert and the Pacers past that are a MUCH more talented bunch than the heat.

Vegas took everybodys money last night. Who bet on the Pacers? Anyone? Not only that, the Pacers covered the first half, the second half, and the game. How many played the money line on the Heat? At -350, not too many. The money wasn't good enough. Vegas killed on that game last night.

The Pacers will win game 2 and the series in 6. The Heat are overrated and don't have the same drive that they did last year.

There is no franchise in the NBA more deserving of a championship than the Pacers.



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  posted on 5/23/2013 at 02:12 PM
Wow its Hate the Heat season... hmm .. first to respond to Matto5, the Heat have six roster players... 50% are original drafted or walk ons that werent drafted,. The teams that have suceess in the reg season dont draft that high and typicsally in NBA drafts the talent level or professional sucess or careeer lenghth. down past the first half of the first round are tough... ok you want the foul on Wade. the previous drive LeBron was hacked in route to the basket and.. no and one... swallow the whistle... and to the other comments behind Wade and Le Bron ... blah blah, Its all about team they havent been 45-4, with two players.....The parts are greater than the whole... Its ok to get on the teams that are sucessful, but it usually takes 8 or 9 deep to win.. look at michaels Bulls, or Larrys Celtics or Magics Lakers.......

 

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  posted on 5/23/2013 at 02:16 PM
It's not hate the Heat season........it's hate the Heat era.....and they have no one to blame but themselves. They cry more than my baby cousin's preschool. Wade (while once a legit force) is a whiney shell of what he once was. LeBron, lets face it, is the best player in the game hands down.....but it's no secret why everyone hates him. Look at every single PR move he's made since "the decision" (not to mention how he carries himself on the court crying and flopping every time someone looks at him wrong). Bosh, while a hell of a player, wouldn't even be sniffing this late in the playoffs if he was "the man" on his own team....he's soft. The Heat have a 2 year window here before they start to dismantle in my mind. Don't get me wrong, I can't stand the Heat's team/attitude, but I wasn't trying to merely dog your team........just point out why nobody likes them.



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as far as the heat, i hate them. they are everything wrong in the nba now and why the game seems so bad and boring now. the coach doesn't know how to coach or develop young talent. the GM has no clue how to draft players that will add to the team or find guys in the D-league that can be molded into something. i think the heat only have 2 players on the entire team drafted by the heat, wade and haslem. everyone else they had to get through trades and free agency. there are several teams like this, the lakers, the celtics, the knicks, who have no clue who to bring a team together. i think the spurs have 3 starters who were drafted by them and 3 bench guys they drafted plus 3 more people they picked up from the D-league of other teams who never played anywhere else. the pacers, thunder, memphis and several other teams also built things up the right way.



Matt,
as an avid NBA fan and a fellow Heat hater I am going to have to strongly disagree with you. I don’t think its fair to say one team develops a team correctly and develops a team poorly. First let me say I am a die hard Celtics fan and in Boston (similar to LA) if you don’t bring home the title, the season is a waste. For every “good” team that you reference there are a dozen struggling teams who try to do things your “right way.” Charlotte, New Orleans, Detroit, Orlando etc. I think the only true teams that developed talent like the old days is San Antonio and The Thunder.
Memphis – Randolph, Allen, Poindexter, Prince all came from different teams.
Needless to say, how can you say there is a right way and a wrong way to develop a team? The Celtics had assets that other teams wanted so they traded them and they got a title from it, similar to the lakers. They got Pau by trading the rights to his brother Marc in the draft… hence another move that had to be made by Memphis to get where they are today. Even For the Celtics they had three starters this year who they drafted, Rondo, Pierce and Bradley... thats the same amount as any other team you claim develop their talent.
The Heat is a different animal since all the players conspired to play together during free agency, and I agree they are everything that’s wrong with the NBA.
Other then the heat I would say this was a very exciting NBA season with lots of evenly developed teams. Hopefully a memphis or Indiana can pull off the upset this year.
Sorry for the vent, I bleed green anybody who has anything poorly to say about them always get an ear (or eyeful) from me.

 

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  posted on 5/23/2013 at 02:44 PM
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Wow its Hate the Heat season... hmm .. first to respond to Matto5, the Heat have six roster players... 50% are original drafted or walk ons that werent drafted,. The teams that have suceess in the reg season dont draft that high and typicsally in NBA drafts the talent level or professional sucess or careeer lenghth. down past the first half of the first round are tough... ok you want the foul on Wade. the previous drive LeBron was hacked in route to the basket and.. no and one... swallow the whistle... and to the other comments behind Wade and Le Bron ... blah blah, Its all about team they havent been 45-4, with two players.....The parts are greater than the whole... Its ok to get on the teams that are sucessful, but it usually takes 8 or 9 deep to win.. look at michaels Bulls, or Larrys Celtics or Magics Lakers.......


please name the 6 guys on the team who were drafted or walk ons? chalmers and norris cole were not drafted by the heat but picked up in trades. joel anthony is the only other guy.

you name the great bull/celtics/lakers teams that all had 4-5 guys on the teams drafted by the. magic, worthy, a.c. green, divac, plus rambis who was waived by the knicks before playing a game and picked up by the lakers. the bulls jordan, pippen, horace grant, will purdue, stacy king, bj armstrong and toni kukoc all drafted. the celtics bird, mchale, cedric maxwell, danny ainge all drafted by the celtics. notice a trend here. these teams core good players were all drafted. lets look at the heat. didn't draft lebron, bosh, battier, mike miller, ray allen, birdman. thats pretty much everyone they use other than wade, haslem and chalmers.

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  posted on 5/23/2013 at 02:49 PM
Pacers in 7

 

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  posted on 5/23/2013 at 02:54 PM
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as far as the heat, i hate them. they are everything wrong in the nba now and why the game seems so bad and boring now. the coach doesn't know how to coach or develop young talent. the GM has no clue how to draft players that will add to the team or find guys in the D-league that can be molded into something. i think the heat only have 2 players on the entire team drafted by the heat, wade and haslem. everyone else they had to get through trades and free agency. there are several teams like this, the lakers, the celtics, the knicks, who have no clue who to bring a team together. i think the spurs have 3 starters who were drafted by them and 3 bench guys they drafted plus 3 more people they picked up from the D-league of other teams who never played anywhere else. the pacers, thunder, memphis and several other teams also built things up the right way.



Matt,
as an avid NBA fan and a fellow Heat hater I am going to have to strongly disagree with you. I don’t think its fair to say one team develops a team correctly and develops a team poorly. First let me say I am a die hard Celtics fan and in Boston (similar to LA) if you don’t bring home the title, the season is a waste. For every “good” team that you reference there are a dozen struggling teams who try to do things your “right way.” Charlotte, New Orleans, Detroit, Orlando etc. I think the only true teams that developed talent like the old days is San Antonio and The Thunder.
Memphis – Randolph, Allen, Poindexter, Prince all came from different teams.
Needless to say, how can you say there is a right way and a wrong way to develop a team? The Celtics had assets that other teams wanted so they traded them and they got a title from it, similar to the lakers. They got Pau by trading the rights to his brother Marc in the draft… hence another move that had to be made by Memphis to get where they are today. Even For the Celtics they had three starters this year who they drafted, Rondo, Pierce and Bradley... thats the same amount as any other team you claim develop their talent.
The Heat is a different animal since all the players conspired to play together during free agency, and I agree they are everything that’s wrong with the NBA.
Other then the heat I would say this was a very exciting NBA season with lots of evenly developed teams. Hopefully a memphis or Indiana can pull off the upset this year.
Sorry for the vent, I bleed green anybody who has anything poorly to say about them always get an ear (or eyeful) from me.


detrit were a great time several years ago and did things what i called "the right way". detroit also is on the rise imo. watch out for them if they can keep these guys together 2 more years and draft some good talent.

as far as the grizzlies go. the guys they went out and got weren't perennial all stars but role players that they picked up and formed into a team. other than prince who really isn't much now

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  posted on 5/23/2013 at 03:29 PM
Although i'm a longtime Pacers fan (1st game seen 1970) i don't think they can win this series.
game 1...heat
game 2....heat
game 3....pacers
game 4.....maybe pacers
game 5.....heat
game 6....pacers
game 7 heat

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  posted on 5/23/2013 at 03:32 PM
game 1...heat
game 2....Pacers
game 3....Pacers
game 4.....Pacers
game 5.... Heat
game 6....Pacers


there, fixed that for you.

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  posted on 5/23/2013 at 03:54 PM
Take Hibbert out. Lebron drives in for the layup. Big coaching mistake. Then the Pacers coach does it again at the end? Am I missing something?
Pacers lost a golden chance to steal game one. Heat will now prevail in 5.

 

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  posted on 5/23/2013 at 04:10 PM
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Take Hibbert out. Lebron drives in for the layup. Big coaching mistake. Then the Pacers coach does it again at the end? Am I missing something?
Pacers lost a golden chance to steal game one. Heat will now prevail in 5.


the pacers coach was worried about whoever hibbert was guarding getting open for an easy shot on a switch. well here is an easy fix. don't put anybody on the person inbounding the ball so its basically 4 on 5 then hibbert could sorta just camp around the rim. with only 2 seconds left its hard to inbound the ball and then pass it back to the guy inbounding and hope he gets a good shot off.

 

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  posted on 5/23/2013 at 05:07 PM
I hope jerry. if they win game 2 i'm gonna have to pull out my pacers banner to hang in the window. hmmmm maybe i'll hang it tomorrow

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  posted on 5/23/2013 at 06:56 PM
I live in Atlanta and have no real reason to root for the Heat but I find myself rooting for Lebron, just because he is so damned good and is the best thing to happen to the game since Jordan's heyday. I really don't get the flack he took for leaving Cleveland for Miami. He chose to play on a better team with a better chance of winning championships, all in a far more enjoyable place to live. Am I missing something? Sounds like a smart guy to me.

Everybody wants to jump on Lebron for "character" issues, but he is ten times the man Kobe Bryant will ever be, and yet Kobe seems to get a pass. I just don't get it. Lebron is poetry in motion on a basketball court, and how somebody could be a basketball fan and not admire his skill will always baffle me.

The Pacers had a very real chance to win the series if they pulled it out last night, but I don't see them beating the Heat 4 out of 6 games. Heat take it in 6 or 7, but they will have to earn it. The Pacers are legit and Hibbert is quite possibly the best big man in the game today.

When he's in the game, that is, unlike the end of yesterday's game. Still trying to figure that one out.

 
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  posted on 5/23/2013 at 07:00 PM
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I live in Atlanta and have no real reason to root for the Heat but I find myself rooting for Lebron, just because he is so damned good and is the best thing to happen to the game since Jordan's heyday. I really don't get the flack he took for leaving Cleveland for Miami. He chose to play on a better team with a better chance of winning championships, all in a far more enjoyable place to live. Am I missing something? Sounds like a smart guy to me.

Everybody wants to jump on Lebron for "character" issues, but he is ten times the man Kobe Bryant will ever be, and yet Kobe seems to get a pass. I just don't get it. Lebron is poetry in motion on a basketball court, and how somebody could be a basketball fan and not admire his skill will always baffle me.

The Pacers had a very real chance to win the series if they pulled it out last night, but I don't see them beating the Heat 4 out of 6 games. Heat take it in 6 or 7, but they will have to earn it. The Pacers are legit and Hibbert is quite possibly the best big man in the game today.

When he's in the game, that is, unlike the end of yesterday's game. Still trying to figure that one out.


i don't hate lebron or the fact he left. my point was if the cavaliers knew how to do anything they would have made a team that could compete and he wouldn't have had to leave. it was a post about the general state of the nba as a whole not players choices to leave and go elsewhere

i hate the heat team because its not a team. its allstars from many different teams put together and called a team. i laughed my **** ing ass off at the failure of the lakers this year not because i hate nash or dwight, i do hate kobe though because he's a bitch, but because nash has been chasing a ring forever and left dallas and yet dallas got a ring and he didn't.

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  posted on 5/24/2013 at 07:26 AM
I think alot of people really did not care for the way he left Cleveland and all of the pomp and circumstances that followed. Kinda blown up a little. And this past week after Frank Vogels innocent comment about the next team in they're way and the how it was told to Le Bron and he said that we are not "just another team" we are a "great team," leaves the impression that they're ring needs to be kissed does not win over to many fans anyways. LIke he was offeneded or disrespected.
Maybe a great player, a few once great player(s) and some decent ones, but a great team?
I would have to think more about that one. Maybe it's subjective, but not so sure.

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  posted on 5/24/2013 at 04:20 PM
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I really don't get the flack he took for leaving Cleveland for Miami. He chose to play on a better team with a better chance of winning championships, all in a far more enjoyable place to live. Am I missing something? Sounds like a smart guy to me.

Everybody wants to jump on Lebron for "character" issues, but he is ten times the man Kobe Bryant will ever be, and yet Kobe seems to get a pass. I just don't get it. Lebron is poetry in motion on a basketball court, and how somebody could be a basketball fan and not admire his skill will always baffle me.

You must not remember how it went down in Cleveland? Of course Lebron is a grate player, but he certainly made several PR mistakes on his way out of Cleveland. I still contest past Lebron and Wade, the Pacers are a better team. They play as a team and will win as a team. Even giving away game 1, the Pacers are still going to win this series.



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  posted on 5/24/2013 at 05:07 PM
You cant let Chris Anderson from the Heat get 16 like he did the other night. That was a no no.

 

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  posted on 5/24/2013 at 06:23 PM
the pacer do two things that give the Heat trouble..
1) tough physically
2) they rebound well

if they do these things, make their free throws and play to their strengths, there is no reason they cant beat this team..

The depleted Bulls gave them all they could handle

leBron is a stud

The heat lost my respect by celebrating before they won a thing..

 

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  posted on 5/24/2013 at 10:28 PM
great comeback tonight..

now it gets interesting

 

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  posted on 5/24/2013 at 10:30 PM
Vegas smoked everybody who bet on the Heat two games in a row. Dare you play the Heat in game 3 in Indy?






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  posted on 5/25/2013 at 12:22 PM
Nice win for the Pacers, and thanks to LeBron for turning the ball over twice in 30 sec's at the end of the game and nice take aways by David West on those too. If the Pacers had alittle more bench play I probably would feel a little more comfortable. Tyler is about the only one, DJ is kind inconsistent and Sam Young is about the same. I want the Pacers to win,but it will not be easy,for either team.


Frank has got to get Lance under control. Just becasue he had one really good game does not give him the authority to do some of the bone head stuff he was doing last night(4th quarter). I was hoping Vogel would have taken him out of the game. He is still maturing and showing signs,but still kinda of a loose cannon to a degree. I get nervous when he is flying down the court with the ball ,god only knows whats gonna happen. I guess you have to take the good with the bad until he gets his head in the right direction.


Glad to have them back home here in Indy for two games starting tomorrow.

I like the end of the third quarter where Paul drives around Lebron and dunks it over Anderson,and then James hits this long three and they kina slap hands afterwards.


Pauls Dunk
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LeBrons 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=V9Qn3cEUCwM

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  posted on 5/25/2013 at 09:38 PM
Wade could be suspended for game 3. This looked pretty serious at the time and looked very intentional. The announcers blew it off like it wasn't intentional, but it sure did look intentional to me. I am not sure how suspensions work, so it could just be a silly fine.

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Dwyane Wade's elbow to Lance Stephenson under NBA review

Miami Heat guard Dwyane Wade’s elbow to the head of Indiana Pacers guard Lance Stephenson is under NBA review, Jeff Zillgitt of USA Today reported, citing an anonymous source.

NBA vice president of basketball Stu Jackson will look at the video and make a final judgment. The NBA commonly reviews video, but Wade's elbow has drawn considerable attention, according to Zillgitt.

Wade’s elbow to Stephenson appeared inadvertent during the course of the game. As Wade ran back on defense late in the fourth quarter, he jumped to get past Stephenson and lifted his arm in the process, catching Stephenson with an elbow to the left side of the head.

Stephenson went down to the floor and stayed there for a moment before rising to his feet. He bent over to gather himself once the ball was ruled dead but stayed in the game.

Pacers coach Frank Vogel was asked about the elbow after the Pacers’ 97-93 Game 2 win.

"We're going to play through that. We know we're going to get hit,” he said. “This is the playoffs. We're competing for a conference championship and a chance to compete for the championship. So we're not paying attention to any of that stuff. We're going to get hit, it's going to be physical. And we're going to play the game of basketball with great determination and great force, and Lance is doing that.”

 

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