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  posted on 5/29/2013 at 11:25 AM
"Anti-Muslim backlash in England, but not here"

http://us.cnn.com/2013/05/29/opinion/obeidallah-muslim-backlash-us-uk/index .html?hpt=hp_c2




 

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  posted on 5/29/2013 at 12:15 PM
There could be another reason the reactions have been different so far.

Folks in the UK, and Europe in general, are seeing their cultures change much more dramatically than we are due to growth from Muslim immigrants. Decades of generous welfare programs combined, lax immigration policies, and low birth rates have caused big shifts in the demographics of these countries. The traditional culture sees their country shifting much more rapidly than we do here, and react as people often do when confronted with change.

 

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  posted on 5/30/2013 at 12:25 PM
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There could be another reason the reactions have been different so far.

Folks in the UK, and Europe in general, are seeing their cultures change much more dramatically than we are due to growth from Muslim immigrants. Decades of generous welfare programs combined, lax immigration policies, and low birth rates have caused big shifts in the demographics of these countries. The traditional culture sees their country shifting much more rapidly than we do here, and react as people often do when confronted with change.


They also have made no effort to integrate and assimilate their immigrant populations, whether Muslim or otherwise. The United States, by and large, has always had an attitude of assimilating immigrants into the larger American community and the American Muslim population is much less radicalized as a result. (Though obviously there is still radicalization as seen by the Fort Hood and recent Boston Marathon incidents among others)

 

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  posted on 5/30/2013 at 03:44 PM
Bio-Tech, Nano-Tech and M- Theory in just the first decade of the 21st Century. Not too shabby.

 

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  posted on 5/30/2013 at 05:38 PM
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There could be another reason the reactions have been different so far.

Folks in the UK, and Europe in general, are seeing their cultures change much more dramatically than we are due to growth from Muslim immigrants. Decades of generous welfare programs combined, lax immigration policies, and low birth rates have caused big shifts in the demographics of these countries. The traditional culture sees their country shifting much more rapidly than we do here, and react as people often do when confronted with change.


They also have made no effort to integrate and assimilate their immigrant populations, whether Muslim or otherwise. The United States, by and large, has always had an attitude of assimilating immigrants into the larger American community and the American Muslim population is much less radicalized as a result. (Though obviously there is still radicalization as seen by the Fort Hood and recent Boston Marathon incidents among others)


Smug as ever Doug. How about you lot complete the assimilation with the natives in your own country, then come back and lecture us?

 

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  posted on 5/30/2013 at 06:21 PM
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There could be another reason the reactions have been different so far.

Folks in the UK, and Europe in general, are seeing their cultures change much more dramatically than we are due to growth from Muslim immigrants. Decades of generous welfare programs combined, lax immigration policies, and low birth rates have caused big shifts in the demographics of these countries. The traditional culture sees their country shifting much more rapidly than we do here, and react as people often do when confronted with change.

They also have made no effort to integrate and assimilate their immigrant populations, whether Muslim or otherwise. The United States, by and large, has always had an attitude of assimilating immigrants into the larger American community and the American Muslim population is much less radicalized as a result. (Though obviously there is still radicalization as seen by the Fort Hood and recent Boston Marathon incidents among others)

Smug as ever Doug. How about you lot complete the assimilation with the natives in your own country, then come back and lecture us?

Doug's comments actually made me think of it in reverse. I don't think immigrants to most Western countries have the same desire to integrate as they once did. Most who came here 100+ years ago eagerly embraced the idea of being part of the formation of this new land.

I'm afraid that nowadays, be it Europe or the US, that spirit is greatly lessened. They might come for opportunity, they might come for the generous welfare, but they tend to hold on to their culture far more than in generations past. This might also pose an even greater challenge for some Muslims, since their religion and governance are not as separate as in Western countries. So if cultures are separating themselves by choice, the potential for friction would seem to be higher.

 

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  posted on 5/31/2013 at 12:07 PM
For years England bent over backwards (Hallal food was mandated in the schools) without much in return (last week's Beheading - don't seem to hear much about that) Cultures whose professed goal is separatism and Jihad are probably not good candidates for integration
 

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  posted on 5/31/2013 at 01:46 PM
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  posted on 5/31/2013 at 03:22 PM
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There could be another reason the reactions have been different so far.

Folks in the UK, and Europe in general, are seeing their cultures change much more dramatically than we are due to growth from Muslim immigrants. Decades of generous welfare programs combined, lax immigration policies, and low birth rates have caused big shifts in the demographics of these countries. The traditional culture sees their country shifting much more rapidly than we do here, and react as people often do when confronted with change.


They also have made no effort to integrate and assimilate their immigrant populations, whether Muslim or otherwise. The United States, by and large, has always had an attitude of assimilating immigrants into the larger American community and the American Muslim population is much less radicalized as a result. (Though obviously there is still radicalization as seen by the Fort Hood and recent Boston Marathon incidents among others)


Smug as ever Doug. How about you lot complete the assimilation with the natives in your own country, then come back and lecture us?


I'm not lecturing anybody. Passed no judgment. Simply stated a clear and well understood fact.

 

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There could be another reason the reactions have been different so far.

Folks in the UK, and Europe in general, are seeing their cultures change much more dramatically than we are due to growth from Muslim immigrants. Decades of generous welfare programs combined, lax immigration policies, and low birth rates have caused big shifts in the demographics of these countries. The traditional culture sees their country shifting much more rapidly than we do here, and react as people often do when confronted with change.

They also have made no effort to integrate and assimilate their immigrant populations, whether Muslim or otherwise. The United States, by and large, has always had an attitude of assimilating immigrants into the larger American community and the American Muslim population is much less radicalized as a result. (Though obviously there is still radicalization as seen by the Fort Hood and recent Boston Marathon incidents among others)

Smug as ever Doug. How about you lot complete the assimilation with the natives in your own country, then come back and lecture us?

Doug's comments actually made me think of it in reverse. I don't think immigrants to most Western countries have the same desire to integrate as they once did. Most who came here 100+ years ago eagerly embraced the idea of being part of the formation of this new land.

I'm afraid that nowadays, be it Europe or the US, that spirit is greatly lessened. They might come for opportunity, they might come for the generous welfare, but they tend to hold on to their culture far more than in generations past. This might also pose an even greater challenge for some Muslims, since their religion and governance are not as separate as in Western countries. So if cultures are separating themselves by choice, the potential for friction would seem to be higher.


I agree with you that the U.S. puts much less emphasis on assimilation than it used to when my grandparents emigrated in the early days. Nevertheless, excepting some of the problems with Mexican immigrants out west, I still think the vast majority of those who immigrate to the United States, certainly legally, have a strong desire to become Americans with all that entails. This is true for Muslim and other immigrants. I don't believe this is the case when they immigrate to European countries, certainly not to the same extent. It is a serious social problem in Europe. It has not reached that proportion here at least not yet.

 

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  posted on 6/1/2013 at 12:10 PM
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"Anti-Muslim backlash in England, but not here"

http://us.cnn.com/2013/05/29/opinion/obeidallah-muslim-backlash-us-uk/index .html?hpt=hp_c2




The US launched the drone that fired hellfire missiles at a house in Miranshah reportedly where Wali Ur Rehman Mehsud, 2nd in command of the Pakistani Taliban was. He was reportedly killed. I don't think we will live in peace while we continue assassinating people in foreign lands. It probably will not come from the regular Muslims living here, but I do think there will be some form of retaliatory retribution. It would be naive to think otherwise.

 

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