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  posted on 6/19/2013 at 01:29 PM
While I concur with his sentiments about the Democrats, he's not going to be any happier with modern Republicans. Both serve the same big gov't agenda, whose policies have and continue to choke opportunity and drive it from our shores. Only through the restoration of opportunity will people be able to improve themselves instead of being slaves to gov't dependence.

Nonetheless, he makes a good case against big gov't...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_YQ8560E1w#!


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Not a fan of him at all. First, I don't see the advantage of selling his argument by talking about the parties in the past, going back many decades, to even the Civil War era. Obviously the parties have drastically changed since then, so why bother referencing it? Talk about today, and what the parties mean in the present day - that's relevant....not Lincoln and Eisenhower. Second, he seemed to only address black people. He addressed the camera saying "My brothers and sisters.....", which led me to believe he had no interest in wanting me to listen. The social programs were created for all people who need it, not to control black people and keep them down. Nobody believes that except for him, apparently. That thought never even crossed my mind.

Republicans need to wake up and realize Chris Christie is the only chance they have of taking back the White House...but no, he's too moderate, and too liberal, and God forbid, I shutter to even think it.....he gets along with Obama!! How dare he. He can't be a real Republican if he reaches across the aisle to work WITH the other side to get results. What kind of leader would do such a thing?

 

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Second, he seemed to only address black people.

As a Representative, I think he was talking first and foremost to the people in his district. I tried quickly to see what the racial makeup of that district is, but couldn't find the data. One imagines it has a fair degree of black population.

 

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  posted on 6/19/2013 at 04:49 PM
You better sit down for this Rich, but I am voting for Chris Christie if he gets the nod.
 

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So this Republican who was a Republican until 2007 when he switched to the Democrat party and got elected to the state House as a Dem in a heavily Democratic district and then switched back what 2 years later is supposed to be enlightening? Okay.
 

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You better sit down for this Rich, but I am voting for Chris Christie if he gets the nod.

Over Hillary???

Assuming of course she gets the nod

 

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In my opinion the parties thrive by dividing the Nation. Follow the money and the two parties are both raking it in. A pox on both their houses.

 

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You better sit down for this Rich, but I am voting for Chris Christie if he gets the nod.


He'll get his clock cleaned

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Especially over Hillary. I like her, but Christie can get more accomplished. Hillary is too polarizing.
 

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Someone better wake this delusional old man up and inform him what the republican party has turned into because the republican party members and platform he references are long gone and have been replaced by the far right completely bat **** nuts.

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Especially over Hillary. I like her, but Christie can get more accomplished. Hillary is too polarizing.


I'm not sure what you mean here by "but Christie can get more accomplished". It really depends on the makeup of the House & Senate. If Hillary (a Dem runs and wins), then the pattern would indicate that Republicans can't win national elections. I just don't know how much more obstruction the GOP could continue to pursue. The supposed "inner searching" and studies that they have performed seem to provide the GOP the reasons they lost in 2012, but the current actions & ideology don't seem to show a willingness to listen to the self examination and studies. Maybe they really don't care about winning national elections based upon the candidates and ideology they throw at the public.

As far as Christie, it will be interesting moving forward to see how well he jells with his party. Does the GOP see him as a viable leader & someone who can be their candidate, or does the GOP see him on the outskirts of the party? He may be conservative, but he also may be seen as not swallowing the same drink that the rest of the GOP and the Tea Party faction does. This is no longer your parents' GOP.


 

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Especially over Hillary. I like her, but Christie can get more accomplished. Hillary is too polarizing.
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I'm not sure what you mean here by "but Christie can get more accomplished". It really depends on the makeup of the House & Senate. If Hillary (a Dem runs and wins), then the pattern would indicate that Republicans can't win national elections. I just don't know how much more obstruction the GOP could continue to pursue. The supposed "inner searching" and studies that they have performed seem to provide the GOP the reasons they lost in 2012, but the current actions & ideology don't seem to show a willingness to listen to the self examination and studies. Maybe they really don't care about winning national elections based upon the candidates and ideology they throw at the public.

As far as Christie, it will be interesting moving forward to see how well he jells with his party. Does the GOP see him as a viable leader & someone who can be their candidate, or does the GOP see him on the outskirts of the party? He may be conservative, but he also may be seen as not swallowing the same drink that the rest of the GOP and the Tea Party faction does. This is no longer your parents' GOP.


I agree with everything you said. What I meant was that, if Hillary gets elected President, then nothing will get done, just like nothing is getting done under Obama because everything he proposes is shot down by the Republicans out of spite. Hillary will create the same polarization, as unfortunate as that may be because I do like her ideas. Christie, in my opinion, is moderate enough to appeal to the Dems in an election, and hopefully produce moderate actions and results as President, satisfying both parties, and therefore getting more accomplished. It would be wise for the Republicans to compromise their agenda by electing Christie, and working with the Dems to fix this country. Christie has my vote. Althought, I can't say I'd be surprised if all his moderate stances are a facade to appeal to Dems like me just to get elected, and once in, reveals the stereotypical right-wing lunacy.

 

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Especially over Hillary. I like her, but Christie can get more accomplished. Hillary is too polarizing.
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I'm not sure what you mean here by "but Christie can get more accomplished". It really depends on the makeup of the House & Senate. If Hillary (a Dem runs and wins), then the pattern would indicate that Republicans can't win national elections. I just don't know how much more obstruction the GOP could continue to pursue. The supposed "inner searching" and studies that they have performed seem to provide the GOP the reasons they lost in 2012, but the current actions & ideology don't seem to show a willingness to listen to the self examination and studies. Maybe they really don't care about winning national elections based upon the candidates and ideology they throw at the public.

As far as Christie, it will be interesting moving forward to see how well he jells with his party. Does the GOP see him as a viable leader & someone who can be their candidate, or does the GOP see him on the outskirts of the party? He may be conservative, but he also may be seen as not swallowing the same drink that the rest of the GOP and the Tea Party faction does. This is no longer your parents' GOP.


I agree with everything you said. What I meant was that, if Hillary gets elected President, then nothing will get done, just like nothing is getting done under Obama because everything he proposes is shot down by the Republicans out of spite. Hillary will create the same polarization, as unfortunate as that may be because I do like her ideas. Christie, in my opinion, is moderate enough to appeal to the Dems in an election, and hopefully produce moderate actions and results as President, satisfying both parties, and therefore getting more accomplished. It would be wise for the Republicans to compromise their agenda by electing Christie, and working with the Dems to fix this country. Christie has my vote. Althought, I can't say I'd be surprised if all his moderate stances are a facade to appeal to Dems like me just to get elected, and once in, reveals the stereotypical right-wing lunacy.




The polarizing can be blamed as much on Congress as the President. They resent the fact that he was ever elected from day 1 (see Mitch M. and Rush). Right or wrong, if a Republican wins (and that's a big if) in 2016, my theory is that the Democrats will pay back the Republicans for the obstruction caused by the GOP. The cycle will continue that was initiated by the GOP.

It's my belief that CC will not get the nomination of the GOP. It's a long ways off, but he doesn't seem to be a GOP "team player", and out of touch views & ideology will move towards less desirable national candidates.

 

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Not a fan of him at all. First, I don't see the advantage of selling his argument by talking about the parties in the past, going back many decades, to even the Civil War era. Obviously the parties have drastically changed since then, so why bother referencing it? Talk about today, and what the parties mean in the present day - that's relevant....not Lincoln and Eisenhower. Second, he seemed to only address black people. He addressed the camera saying "My brothers and sisters.....", which led me to believe he had no interest in wanting me to listen. The social programs were created for all people who need it, not to control black people and keep them down. Nobody believes that except for him, apparently. That thought never even crossed my mind.

Republicans need to wake up and realize Chris Christie is the only chance they have of taking back the White House...but no, he's too moderate, and too liberal, and God forbid, I shutter to even think it.....he gets along with Obama!! How dare he. He can't be a real Republican if he reaches across the aisle to work WITH the other side to get results. What kind of leader would do such a thing?


I like Christie. But the lefties here and every where will do SUCH a pivot against him if he is nominated in 2016 their heads might fall off.

 

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Especially over Hillary. I like her, but Christie can get more accomplished. Hillary is too polarizing.


I'm not sure what you mean here by "but Christie can get more accomplished". It really depends on the makeup of the House & Senate. If Hillary (a Dem runs and wins), then the pattern would indicate that Republicans can't win national elections. I just don't know how much more obstruction the GOP could continue to pursue. The supposed "inner searching" and studies that they have performed seem to provide the GOP the reasons they lost in 2012, but the current actions & ideology don't seem to show a willingness to listen to the self examination and studies. Maybe they really don't care about winning national elections based upon the candidates and ideology they throw at the public.

As far as Christie, it will be interesting moving forward to see how well he jells with his party. Does the GOP see him as a viable leader & someone who can be their candidate, or does the GOP see him on the outskirts of the party? He may be conservative, but he also may be seen as not swallowing the same drink that the rest of the GOP and the Tea Party faction does. This is no longer your parents' GOP.


What you call obstructing others call blocking policies with which they disagree.

 

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Not a fan of him at all. First, I don't see the advantage of selling his argument by talking about the parties in the past, going back many decades, to even the Civil War era. Obviously the parties have drastically changed since then, so why bother referencing it? Talk about today, and what the parties mean in the present day - that's relevant....not Lincoln and Eisenhower. Second, he seemed to only address black people. He addressed the camera saying "My brothers and sisters.....", which led me to believe he had no interest in wanting me to listen. The social programs were created for all people who need it, not to control black people and keep them down. Nobody believes that except for him, apparently. That thought never even crossed my mind.

Republicans need to wake up and realize Chris Christie is the only chance they have of taking back the White House...but no, he's too moderate, and too liberal, and God forbid, I shutter to even think it.....he gets along with Obama!! How dare he. He can't be a real Republican if he reaches across the aisle to work WITH the other side to get results. What kind of leader would do such a thing?


I like Christie. But the lefties here and every where will do SUCH a pivot against him if he is nominated in 2016 their heads might fall off.


Christie is far superior to any of the other GOP clowns that they push on us but the GOP doesn't like Christie because he is real and he had the gaul to be friendly with the big bad boogy man Obama when Obama came to show his state support. God forbid! The other problem is the way he can be a bully during interviews and debates which can be very off putting. If he is a bully towards Hillary in the debates he will go down like a ball of fire but I doubt the GOP would ever nominate him UNLESS HE FLIPS MOST OF HIS VIEWS AND BECOMES A PHONY Republican like the last two GOP candidates did which was obviously unsuccessful.

 

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Especially over Hillary. I like her, but Christie can get more accomplished. Hillary is too polarizing.


I'm not sure what you mean here by "but Christie can get more accomplished". It really depends on the makeup of the House & Senate. If Hillary (a Dem runs and wins), then the pattern would indicate that Republicans can't win national elections. I just don't know how much more obstruction the GOP could continue to pursue. The supposed "inner searching" and studies that they have performed seem to provide the GOP the reasons they lost in 2012, but the current actions & ideology don't seem to show a willingness to listen to the self examination and studies. Maybe they really don't care about winning national elections based upon the candidates and ideology they throw at the public.

As far as Christie, it will be interesting moving forward to see how well he jells with his party. Does the GOP see him as a viable leader & someone who can be their candidate, or does the GOP see him on the outskirts of the party? He may be conservative, but he also may be seen as not swallowing the same drink that the rest of the GOP and the Tea Party faction does. This is no longer your parents' GOP.


What you call obstructing others call blocking policies with which they disagree.




That is a bunch of BS Doug and you know it. In a normal Presidency there is so called blocking of policies that they don't agree upon. The amount of fillibuster obstruction by the current Republican led House is far and above what the norm should be and a lot of what has been obstructed are on issues that the GOP had supported in the past. Their aprroval ratings are at an abysmal level, something between 10% and 20% which should be enough to embarass them into stopping their obvious obstruction but blocking anything that Obama could take credit for is more important to them and the far right tea party are still the ones calling the shots. The vast minority of their party, the tea party is still leading their party after miserably losing them the last two general elections. Their voice has been heard and they have been rejected but they still continue down this stubborn road somehow thinking that the majority will somehow magically turn to their ideologies. Well, it hasn't happened and won't happen so if the GOP ever want to win back the Whitehouse they had better start passing some of the posititve legislation that has been put forward and show the American people that they can still fuction because right now being led by the tea party is doing nothing but running their party into the ground.

 

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Both parties protect Wall Street and that's disturbing but whenever the GOPTeaparty speaks Woman,Minorities,LBGT, etc. all run!! Woman make up 54% of all voters, if you're woman voting Republican, it's like a chicken voting for Col. Sanders

 

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Especially over Hillary. I like her, but Christie can get more accomplished. Hillary is too polarizing.


I'm not sure what you mean here by "but Christie can get more accomplished". It really depends on the makeup of the House & Senate. If Hillary (a Dem runs and wins), then the pattern would indicate that Republicans can't win national elections. I just don't know how much more obstruction the GOP could continue to pursue. The supposed "inner searching" and studies that they have performed seem to provide the GOP the reasons they lost in 2012, but the current actions & ideology don't seem to show a willingness to listen to the self examination and studies. Maybe they really don't care about winning national elections based upon the candidates and ideology they throw at the public.

As far as Christie, it will be interesting moving forward to see how well he jells with his party. Does the GOP see him as a viable leader & someone who can be their candidate, or does the GOP see him on the outskirts of the party? He may be conservative, but he also may be seen as not swallowing the same drink that the rest of the GOP and the Tea Party faction does. This is no longer your parents' GOP.


What you call obstructing others call blocking policies with which they disagree.




That is a bunch of BS Doug and you know it. In a normal Presidency there is so called blocking of policies that they don't agree upon. The amount of fillibuster obstruction by the current Republican led House is far and above what the norm should be and a lot of what has been obstructed are on issues that the GOP had supported in the past. Their aprroval ratings are at an abysmal level, something between 10% and 20% which should be enough to embarass them into stopping their obvious obstruction but blocking anything that Obama could take credit for is more important to them and the far right tea party are still the ones calling the shots. The vast minority of their party, the tea party is still leading their party after miserably losing them the last two general elections. Their voice has been heard and they have been rejected but they still continue down this stubborn road somehow thinking that the majority will somehow magically turn to their ideologies. Well, it hasn't happened and won't happen so if the GOP ever want to win back the Whitehouse they had better start passing some of the posititve legislation that has been put forward and show the American people that they can still fuction because right now being led by the tea party is doing nothing but running their party into the ground.


Well stated!

The Generally Outdated Party has had the mission since Obama day one to obstruct. It's their mantra. It probably has far less to do with policy than the realization of having lost to someone they've tried to paint as a Kenyan born Muslim. As you pointed out the fillibusters are at levels never seen before. This is by design & strategy; not for the benefit of the American people.


 

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but whenever the GOPTeaparty speaks Woman,Minorities,LBGT, etc. all run!! Woman make up 54% of all voters, if you're woman voting Republican, it's like a chicken voting for Col. Sanders


Yes, women now make up a greater percentage of the voting public. Yet...here we go again...in an effort to do the "right thing" and surely win more of the "women vote", the GOP house just passed legislation to restrict abortion. It has zero chance of becoming law but has probably 100% probability of digging the party into a deeper hole with women in general. Who writes these GOP winning playbooks?

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/house-takes-far-reaching-anti-abortion-bill

 

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Both parties protect Wall Street and that's disturbing but whenever the GOPTeaparty speaks Woman,Minorities,LBGT, etc. all run!! Woman make up 54% of all voters, if you're woman voting Republican, it's like a chicken voting for Col. Sanders
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The Generally Outdated Party has had the mission since Obama day one to obstruct. It's their mantra. It probably has far less to do with policy than the realization of having lost to someone they've tried to paint as a Kenyan born Muslim. As you pointed out the fillibusters are at levels never seen before. This is by design & strategy; not for the benefit of the American people."



There is a deep seated racist streak in these people,I bet they wished the civil war ended another way. It really irks them to see a black guy get on Air Force One. Demographically they're all dying off but not fast enough.

 

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The Generally Outdated Party has had the mission since Obama day one to obstruct. It's their mantra. It probably has far less to do with policy than the realization of having lost to someone they've tried to paint as a Kenyan born Muslim. As you pointed out the fillibusters are at levels never seen before. This is by design & strategy; not for the benefit of the American people."



There is a deep seated racist streak in these people,I bet they wished the civil war ended another way. It really irks them to see a black guy get on Air Force One. Demographically they're all dying off but not fast enough.



There is no other explanation for the obstruction other than they hate Obama more than they love their country, especially when you consider Obama has governed far more like a republican than a liberal democrat.

 

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"The Generally Outdated Party has had the mission since Obama day one to obstruct. It's their mantra. It probably has far less to do with policy than the realization of having lost to someone they've tried to paint as a Kenyan born Muslim. As you pointed out the fillibusters are at levels never seen before. This is by design & strategy; not for the benefit of the American people."

There is a deep seated racist streak in these people,I bet they wished the civil war ended another way. It really irks them to see a black guy get on Air Force One. Demographically they're all dying off but not fast enough.

There is no other explanation for the obstruction other than they hate Obama more than they love their country, especially when you consider Obama has governed far more like a republican than a liberal democrat.

Gotta love the extremes of these positions. Just like the strawman arguments dear leader loves to propose, with either his way or some sub-human alternative as the only possible options. Hate him, love country. Love him, or you're a racist (that one's so old is getting rusty). And on, and on.

There couldn't possibly be other options, right? Let's see...

It couldn't be that someone could question his leadership based on what's actually been done, or not done, could it? From his signature accomplishment with Obamacare, which is producing exactly the opposite of the promises (less options, much higher costs, way more confusion), to cover-ups (why were a dozen or more versions of "talking points" needed on Benghazi, and they still lied to the public?), to a weak and questionable staff that never get fired (Holder? Are you kidding?), to reckless spending (the Stimulus? $100m trip to Africa while the WH remains closed?), to political use of feared gov't agencies against political opponents, real or imagined. Yeah, anyone questioning anything happening under the reign of our sainted President must be an extremist of despicable character. That, or someone with their eyes open.

 

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  posted on 6/21/2013 at 08:49 AM
Which has absolutely nothing to do with them fillibustering almost every single appointment he made......



Comparing every cost of the government to the WH being closed is also getting a little rusty...........

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